I am still of the opinion that the 800 cal diet is supposed to reverse diabetes – check out the Newcastle Diet webpage. People returned to eating the food they ate before but with a bit of moderation as to portion sizes etc. and remained non- diabetic a year after the diet. this diet is supposed to replicate the Newcastle diet, with the exception that instead of using colorie controlled shakes and 200 cal from leafy veg, it is based on ‘real’ food.

I am still doing the diet for the purpose of reversing my diabetes. I didn’t have to lose much weight, maybe 17 lbs which would leave my BMI in the low edge of ‘normal’, My BMI is normal, my lifestyle and diet has kept my HbA1c in the ‘normal range since diagnosis, but I would like to give my pancreas a chance to do its work properly again, and I see this diet as a means to achieve this.

I suppose this is one of those “time will tell” situations.
Personally I have no wish to go back to eating simple carbs, I don’t miss them or even fancy them, but I stiil get a spike if I inadvertently eat some.
It will be interesting to see the outcome for someone who has been told their condition is reversed when they go back to eating the simple carbs again.
Like I said before, it doesn’t matter if we call it reversed or diet controlled, as long as the results are the same.

This is from Newcastle University Website

“Professor Roy Taylor said: “What we have shown is that it is possible to reverse your diabetes, even if you have had the condition for a long time, up to around 10 years. If you have had the diagnosis for longer than that, then don’t give up hope – major improvement in blood sugar control is possible.

“The study also answered the question that people often ask me – if I lose the weight and keep the weight off, will I stay free of diabetes? The simple answer is yes!

“Interestingly, even though all our volunteers remained obese or overweight, the fat did not drift back to clog up the pancreas.

“This supports our theory of a Personal Fat Threshold. If a person gains more weight than they personally can tolerate, then diabetes is triggered, but if they then lose that amount of weight then they go back to normal.

“Individuals vary in how much weight they can carry without it seeming to affect their metabolism – don’t forget that 70% of severely obese people do not have diabetes.

“The bottom line is that if a person really wants to get rid of their Type 2 diabetes, they can lose weight, keep it off and return to normal.

“This is good news for people who are very motivated to get rid of their diabetes. But it is too early to regard this as suitable for everyone. That is a separate question and a major study is underway to answer this.”

It also says that after te 8 weeks people returned to their normal food though were advised to eat in moderation

I should be ok Izzy, it’s getting measured in with a spoon lol…

We will be here for you when you return, don’t beat yourself up about taking a few days to get into the zone.

You CAN do it and you WILL!!!!

I only bring this up, not to be controversial, but that the very hope that reversal is possible, is a great incentive to keep going and give us the strength to overcome the daily challenges we must face to overcome this unnecessary disease.

“The high readings were in weeks 5 to 6, after that they settled down again and I know others had the same experience.” – Very Interesting

If you are testing post meal – test at an hour and two hours after to catch quick and slower spikes

I mindfully over consumed and enjoyed it but feared the net weight gain might be more. There was residual glow from the BSD since I was feeling and looking fitter even after +5. Although I’ve lost my taste for excess bread, pasta etc. I found can still eat several ‘healthy’ meals per day and drink plenty of rum cocktails and SA wines without too much guilt!
And I was always conscious that it was just a holiday thing; by the end of the hols I began looking forward to eating less again.

*Crosses fingers and backs away from slippery slope that leads to the fridge*

I believe that the word, reverse, is a legitimate term in this discussion, albeit it is more easily achievable for those who have had the condition for only a few years.

From just one of many, many sources (Healthline.com) :

“Can You Reverse Type 2 Diabetes?

Treatment for type 2 diabetes includes monitoring your blood sugar levels and using medications or insulin when needed. Doctors also recommend losing weight through diet and exercise. If you start eating healthier, get more exercise, and lose weight, you can reduce your symptoms. Research shows that these lifestyle changes, especially physical activity, can even reverse the course of the condition.

Studies that show the reversal of type 2 diabetes include participants who have lived with the condition for only a few years.

Weight loss is the primary factor in patients who have experienced a reversal of type 2 diabetes. Excess fat in the body effects the production of insulin and how it is used. Research has shown that bariatric surgery can reverse type 2 diabetes, but there are less drastic ways that you can lose weight and reduce your symptoms. A commitment to exercise and dietary changes may be all you need. “

Weather is yucky so doubt we will go far, just the post office lol, don’t mind getting wet to get my sewing machine working!

lunch was 2 fried eggs, 2 slices bacon, 1 cherry tomato, and 15g cheese. Yummy it was too!

I’ve added my latest creations to my blog, if anyone wants to see!

http://dragonflydreamseeker.blogspot.co.uk/

Thanks Izzy
thanks too for the recipes in your other thread, I’ll try a couple of them next week. 🙂

I think you make perfect sense Bill.

will you be covered in the double cream later too? or shouldn’t we ask!

I am usually covered with a coating of something… flour, icing sugar, batter, so I have to wear an apron. Very messy cook… but, hey ho. Very small kitchen 🙁

Right off out to get some double cream, forgot yesterday. Catch you later with (hopefully) an edible pizza loaf thingy!

No I tend to look more fraught than smug.. until it comes out of the oven. I don’t wear a pinny or have my hair in a bun or anything like that.. I’m living in a world of chaos here!

Tokyo!

I do sometimes… when I know I’m knocking out something absolutely spot on. Like my Reese’s Dessert.

i have a confession i dont like nigella shes just too smug !!! no one that i know bakes or cooks with that smug face !!
( please tell me you dont janey!!)

Yes, she likes the good stuff does our Nige.

Oh. Oh… bugger. Hadn’t thought of that…

And why does Nigella look so good? Because she likes a bit of cake! I would happily look like her.

Although.. in that case.. aren’t we heading down the Paltrow route with our healthiness? :'(

When folk are talking about carb allowances and cutting carbs, they mean the complex carbs found in veg etc.
The simple carbs in sugar flour pasta and rice are a complete no go if you do the diet properly
A lot of people get confused at the word carbs, you’re not alone but cut out the bad carbs and you will start to lose weight even if you aren’t too strict with the calories

came across this link, one or two I’d like to try with a link to others at the bottom

https://www.buzzfeed.com/christinebyrne/low-carb-dinner-plan?utm_term=.oqZrk87vP#.gbrRmDAzP

We could go on, Timmy, if you’d like. Now, you know who I do love, Nigella bloody Lawson. Now THAT is a woman who looks fab for her age. I’d rather look like Nigella at 56 than how Gwyneth looks at 43. In fact, I just had a shock when I googled how old Gwyneth was.

And eats dust. and does that dole ful look all the time. And was mean to Iron Man.

At what time did you take the reading?
If it was a fasting reading, the dawn effect could have an influence and my experience was, as I was getting rid of the fat from my liver and pancreas, I got high fasting readings and yet my HbA1C tests were really good. The high readings were in weeks 5 to 6, after that they settled down again and I know others had the same experience.
Test pre and post dinner for a more accurate reading

Aside from her complete ungratefulness in divorcing Chris Martin, the fact that she steam cleans her fadge, and is a complete self-obsessed, health crazed lunatic? Apart from that? Nothing much…

Paltrow’s bad, mmmmmkay?

What’s wrong with our Gwyneth?

Friend requests denied all round for Paltrow 🙂

Hi , we are on week 6 of the diet reading before diet and on medication could be as high as 18 , all meds stopped after week one and sugars generally sitting between 7 & 8 once being 6 , however today for some reason they have risen to 12-13 I’ve no idea why , Andy who is the diabetic is wondering if he should go back on meds , he really doesn’t want to but is worried about damage to body , I’d like to hang on until Monday and see what the doctor says . He has been doing strenuous work today , could that cause the problem , please can someone give me some advice to settle Andy’s worries , thanks in advance

JUST SAY NO TO PALTROW.

I think I need a t-shirt with that on.

i was holding out for lucky to do it i checked the number and whilst writing my post lucky sneaked in !!!! doh
lucky you can do 2000 !!! which at the rate we go on here wont be long !!
i shall be refusing the paltrow if she adds me on twitter !!!

There are never any guarantees.
OK so someone has wrote a book which tells us how to control our diabetes, maybe the word “reverse” was an unfortunate choice, but to me, it’s just common sense that if stopping the stuff that made you ill in the first place makes you better, then starting it again will make you ill again.
Or am I being a little too simplistic? I don’t think so.
As in everything else in life, we all have to take responsibility for our own actions.
On a brighter note, Summer arrives this weekend 😀

Never seen it Tokyo lol, watch very very little TV 🙂

You know what, I am dreading drinking! You lot are doing a wonderful job of keeping me sober. My hangovers were horrendous these days anyway before BSD, as little as a couple of glasses of wine and I was ruined the next day and craving rubbish (or a hair of the dog if junk food didn’t work). Now that I don’t have the greasy option for recovery, I’m really not bothered about having a drink at the moment!

Pots of hurrah all round, Janey! Who’d have thought it would have come to this, I only came on to say Hello… LOL.

You just HAD to mention bloody Paltrow, didn’t you. Although, if she could see my kitchen cupboard now…

LUCKY! You got the 1000th post! A pot of hurrah for you!

Aaah, the BSD hangover has struck Timmy!!! Same for me last weekend. 4 glasses of bubbly.. wiped out all sunday! We are rapidly turning into smug health freaks whether we like it or not! Gwynneth Paltrow will be adding me on FB next..

I was reading on another website that you lose a lot of salts with all that water in the first week of a low carb diet which can lead to headaches. A cup of broth i.e. Water plus boullion or a stock cube will cure this. Just a thought for those suffering.
Glad to say I am back on course.
Honeybee check out the calories and carbs in one glass of red wine. It’s not too bad. You may be able to fit it in as long as it’s just the one. Better to have something you really miss than to ditch the whole kit and caboodle because life without red wine seems too hard.
I had a diet tonic water last night with ice and a slice. Didn’t really miss the gin! Now I am sounding like an alcoholic!

shakes her head in despair and cries GAME OF THRONES jon snow !!

Congrats on your contract but booooooo on the hangover. Are you going to do the Dad’s race? My sports day is Monday unless it’s cancelled due to bad weather and if so – that’s it. No sports day. Hate them with a passion. Hate seeing disappointed children.

Ditto Thanks Bill1954 Would have to be very cautious to say that we have actually reversed Diabetes. Am no medical expert…..BUT we have certainly taken back control and reduced or stopped taking our medication. So that is a win as regards to improving our health……no guarantees …..

Isn’t Jon Snow a newsreader???

That looks pretty darned good Janey, I hope you’ve donned one of the items of Smugness?

Well I am officially a complete lightweight. I had a beer and a couple of glasses of wine last night to celebrate the big contract that I won. Considering how I feel you’d swear I was doing Jaggerbombs until 3am.

And I’ve got the prospect of racing against the other dads at sports day later. Thankfully I’m working (shirking) from home today.

D’accord

Sorry, was editing! I put a layer of humus instead of butter, mature cheese, handful of rocket and sliced tomato. Its not as crunchy as proper toast but pretty good!!

ooh Lucky.. Bomb da Bass!! Loved them Love So True is an even better track 🙂

Not working Janey
When you upload an image, click on it. To the right of the image are some links I’ve circled the one you need. Left click in the box where the text is, this copies it, and then just paste into one of your posts

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t163/zog54/how%20to.png

Oops, looks like you got it 😀

1. My sister who’s started the BSD 800 a week ago has lost 8.5 lbs, so delighted she is really enjoying the diet. She has extreme anxiety, as do all her family around her, and she is feeling calmer.
2. The currant bun. (Sun) is out.
3. My energy levels are back so trotting everywhere, as i have lost another pound making it 20lbs in 17 day.

And an extra one LOVE ALL YOU GUYS. Couldn’t do I t without you all.
🍓🍓🍓👽🍓🍓🍓

omg Janey! I was going to say no photos :-))))

That looks delicious – What’s in it? right, have cauliflower, am making the carrot flat breads at the weekend and THAT toastie

Its a toastie Jim, but not as we know it!! Was possible to eat it with my hands although it was a challenge to persuade the toaster to release it! Farty undertones reactivated by heating up the broccolli!!!

Hi RemyGrace,
Welcome to the forums. You’ve got a good plan in place. Best wishes for your BSD journey.

Thanks Bill1954
Well-written, considered response.
Nettle.

” you know nothing jon snow winter is coming ” ( you have to be a game of thrones nutter to get this but 991 posts
1000 is coming lucky !!