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Hi JackieM, I tried to search for a previous post from you mentioning exercise, but couldn’t find one which described some exercises for the pot belly.
I believe that I heard somewhere that the actor who plays Wolverine uses this style of diet plan plus exercise to get in shape for the films. – Could be a reason to have a few inspiring photos on the fridge 🙂 – however, he probably gets a support from a range of experts and is focused on just preparing for the role for some months before each film so it will not be easy for us mere mortals to do the same.
Flick, it’s entirely possible that I have misunderstood your reference to resting BMR, but that figure
must be multiplied by a factor of 1.2 – 1.9 to determine the number of calories you can allow
yourself when you are at goal. It’s based on your activity level, and is also known as TDEE (total
daily energy expenditure) . If I chose to be sedentary, I could consume 1420-1430 cal/day and
not regain weight. This WOL has in fact repaired my metabolism, not slowed it down during the
10 months of Fast800 that got me to target. Exercising 3 x week, I can allow for 1600 something,
AS LONG AS I keep the carbs low. Some days I even find it hard to consume enough 🙂
I have terrible shift patterns so cooking myself is near impossible. I also think having calories already calculated would help, as I easily over-do it.
What prepackaged meals/snacks would you recommend?
Hi all, Such an interesting conversation about fasting – which I do quite quite comfortably now. I found the notion initially a little confronting – not because I thought of anorexia at one of the the extreme ends of disordered eating. Thriughout the now nearly two rounds of BSD I’ve been eating a 16/8 pattern – so extended overnight fast, initially because it felt like I got to eat two decent meals rather than try to stretch 800 calories over three meals and I was lucky, skipping breakfast and switching to black tea and coffee wasn’t too much of a trial. I added some 24 hour fasts (dinner to dinner) as I started to worry about my metabolism slowing on such an extended period of seriously restricted calories (Jason Fung has some interesting data on how intermittent fasting protected and in some cases can boost metabolism). My concern here was my resting BMR, at age 60 and quite short 164cm (ahem), is already depressingly low at 1200, and I didn’t want to find having successfully worked my way down to a healthy weight, that I couldn’t enjoy a reasonable amount of good food (I’m basically a greedy guts and a pretty good cook) ever again.
Now getting close to my target my weight loss has stalled and slowed so after much reading I’ve added in more regular 48 hour (and now a 60 hour) fast followed by days of eating right up to 800 calories to give my metabolism a few jolts. I was initially worried that this was getting extreme and might be cause for concern about becoming obsessed with a weight goal. So, as is my way, I just read and read and read until I understood some of the science. I also concluded I love food too much to ever be at the anorexic end of the spectrum – my battle is in the greedy guts and mindless snacking zone! And I’ve found it’s not a bad thing to learn it’s not the end of the world if you feel hungry for a bit.
Once I’m at my goal weight I’ll use fasting in a similar way to Esnecca and others -primarily for the pretty impressive health benefits but not in this intermittent weight loss pattern. Sorry this was long, it is meant to be helpful.
Allie it’s sad your sister couldn’t share your triumph. Or at least that her happiness for you was coloured by her insecurities.
I’m grieved to report an upward bounce over night and NOT after any self sabotage. The low must have been an aberration but plugging away.
To try to broaden my interests I’m starting an oil painting course today. I’ve done watercolours for years but this will be totally new and I’m so excited. Also, my new double oven and stove top are being installed after camp cooking for a few days. Can’t wait!
I have no idea about the candida. How do I even notice that?
Thank you so much! What a bunch of legends, you all are! I will try all of your tips and let you know how I feel!
I haven’t been counting my carbs, to be honest, just my calorie intake. I’m vegetarian, so a normal day for me looks like:
– Berries and yoghurt with nuts
– Pumpkin and leek frittata with spinach and sunflower seeds
– Lentil and feta salad
I’ve only been focusing on excluding refined/starchy carbs, however not counting them.
Thanks again guys!
Allie – I think it is a profoundly true statement, too. I think that’s probably why, while I’ve forgotten everything else, I remembered that. What a shame about your sister.
Gattina – I think so, too. I’ve certainly used food in the past as a way of burying feelings and for comfort. Never really thought of it in terms of self-punishment but now you’ve said it, I can see that, too. That’s why I’m so keen on getting to the point where I have a simple, healthy relationship with food!
Weighing into this challenge at 10st 3lbs (64.9kg). Hoping for minimum 4lb loss into 9’s then to stay there and not bounce back up like I keep doing recently. Good luck everyone.
Already bookmarked E., and I’m in hot pursuit! Thank you, as always 🙂 I’d really like to jump in the
car and take a road trip this very minute. Feels like Spring today, 70 degrees! I know that you
understand how much it irks me that I can’t do a fast…I’m hoping these bone broth products will
tip me into the success zone.
It’s so wonderful that you’ve found the perfect house! I hope the building inspection goes well.
These are exciting times 🙂 🙂 🙂
Having a good day food wise. Breakfast was a protein shake, then waitrose chicken satay for lunch – forgot my actual lunch doh! Then aldi seeds and nuts. Dinner was lemon pepper salmon fillet with broccoli. Aprox 15g carbs and bang on 800 kcals. Contemplating going for a swim or possibly bed, as knackered. Hope everyone is having a good day.
Plenty tempted, Gattina, but it’s still mine, just not until tomorrow. In fact, there’s quite a pile of food waiting on that basis. Had to give self a little chat.
23hrs, nearly through the 24hr barrier. Have to take daughter to Guides then am out for rest of evening, will stop thinking about it then.
I like that Alliecat 😀
Well done Jackie I’m very impressed you can prepare food for others and not be tempted.
Interesting thoughts, Thankyou.
Hour 22 and just like last time hours 20 I’ve been clock watching. Hungry now, but I know if I can get through to 24hrs I’ll be clear til tomorrow and that’s keeping me firm.
Cooked son my favourite tea (cauliflower with melted butter and cheese and salt and pepper) and have put his leftovers to one side for tomorrow (bet OAh eats it tonight whilst I’m out). Sitting in car with smell of ravioli as wait for daughter. That’s easy, I don’t eat ravioli. It has woken up the tummy rumbles though!
Thanks for all the bra suggestions. I’m sort of working with Verano’s solution at the moment. I know that most women are wearing the wrong bra size and I’m certainly one of them, but I did have a professional fitting a few years ago, when I was heavier and a generous 14/16 dress size. The professional ‘prescribed’ 32E’s – well the 32 band was so painful to wear, I gave them away – one of them never even having been put on! I’m scared that if I get re-measured now, the verdict will be 30 something and I’ll feel like my ribcage is being crushed!
Very encouraging loss so far MrVili. It’s good that you are now so conscious about what you are eating, it’s that which will get you through and help you reap success. Will look forward to reading your results.
You may like this, Gattina! One of our fellow members of this community once said that eating
healthily is a form of self respect. 🙂
Decided to have a go at rehydrating and reactivating some of my dried and frozen kefir grains. I need to know if they are still viable as I want to take some to Turkey, so I can make my own kefir while I’m there. They are in milk in the usual corner of the kitchen I use when fermenting kefir and I’m now waiting to see what happens. Will report back once I know how well this has worked – or not.
That is a very true statement and I wonder if it can be used for those of us who overeat. I have heard obesity described as an eating order and at a recent conference a woman described using food as a form of self harm.
Not sure where the day has gone, been busy with the village hall admin and time has slipped by rapidly. Anyway, there has still been time for some positives, which are:
1) Stretched my 16:8 to 18:6 today.
2) Doing a belated Valentine meal for OH and me this evening.
3) Had a nice chat with Mum this afternoon.
Loving reading all the positives and colloquial phrases – keep them coming folks!
Marie, that is a profoundly true statement! One of my 2 sisters has a mild eating disorder, which
manifested itself at the age of 30, following a divorce. For 35 years she’s spent an inordinate amount
of time avoiding/thinking about food, and probably consumes no more than 700cal/day. She maintains
always at 10lbs below a healthy body weight. Her reaction to my loss was not joy, but a comment
that my legs were now as skinny as hers.. Judging by the expression on her face, this wasn’t an
observation that gave her any pleasure. Rather sad, really!
I remember many years ago working with someone from an organisation who supported people with eating disorders. She used to say ‘Food is just the language that their problems are written in’. I can’t remember now what work I was doing with them, or why, but that phrase has always stayed with me.
OK – so ‘a sheep short in the top paddock’ has instantly become one of my favourite phrases to use – excellent!
Well done indeed s-g! Resistance did pay off. Can’t believe there’s only 6 days left. Have I missed whether there’s another challenge or not? Can’t seem to see what comes next. Sorry if I’m being a bit thick!
Anorexia is a behavorial disorder characterized by what they term “a distorted body image”. Anorexics do not diet to be healthy but to acheive some ideal of thinness, and cannot see themselves objectively in relation to reality….always see a fat image of themselves that they are trying to correct. They have a very distorted and low self worth and have convinced themselves that if they can achieve ultimate thinness, that this will correct the deficiency they feel. Karen Carpenter was a classic example of this. Had some of the most successful hit records in 1970s with her brother Richard, and yet died at age 33 from anorexia. She obviously could not truely enjoy the great success she had acheived and continued to see herself as lacking….hense the excessive starvation she put herself through.
This was not a 3 day fast nor a week long fast. It was years of starvation eating. Anorexia is one of the most difficult psychiatric conditions to treat because the anorexic sees themselves through a completely different lens than does the rest of the world.
If one is striving for genuine health, they have little chance of being anorexic. We all know that being “thin” and being healthy are certainly not the same thing. Most here on this forum are struggling to improve their health and ultimately their longevity.
Hi s-g. Well done for resisting! I wish I had had the same will power yesterday evening! So now an even greater focus for the last six days of this challenge.
Marsie, thanks for adding those. All new to me, so adding to my vocabulary for sure! No one can match the cockney rhyme phrases (they are something else)…..but each country seems to have come up with things that make everyday life a little more colorful with a fun slant on things.
You may wish to try these….getting rave reviews on the internet. Ground chia keeps them moist.
They have a chocolate icing on top which you could skip to cut the calories a bit…..these have only 4 net carbs per serving but the calorie count with the icing is 202…..too high for everyday eating but ok for a once a week treat (recommend cutting in squares and freezing all but one serving as not to overindulge)
Amazing Fudgy Keto Brownies!
These fudgy keto brownies were some of the most delicious low carb and keto brownies my family has ever had. The secret ingredient? Chia seeds!
Kim from LowCarbMaven Servings: 16
1 bar (3.5 oz ) extra dark chocolate – 85 % cocoa
4 1/2 oz butter, ghee or coconut oil (I used butter)
3 large eggs
15-20 drops liquid stevia (I used 1/2 tsp Stevia Glycerite)
3/4 cup (4.2 oz) erythritol, powdered *DCW try with less
Combine dry ingredients:
1 cup (3.5 oz/ 100 g) almond flour
1/2 cup (1.6 oz/45 g) plus 1 tablespoon cocoa powder
1/4 cup (1.1 oz/ 30 g) ground chia seeds*
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1 teaspoon cream of tartar
Chocolate Icing Layer
1/2 bar (1.8 oz ) extra dark chocolate – 85 % cocoa
2 tablespoons coconut oil or butter (I used ghee)
1/4 cup (2 fl oz) heavy whipping cream
Prep: Preheat oven to 350 F (gas mark 4) and position the rack to the middle.
Spray an 8×8 square (or 9X9) brownie pan and line with parchment paper for extra insurance. Leave an overhang for easy removal.
Break the chocolate into small pieces and add it and the butter into a small bowl placed over slowly simmering water or microwave on defrost. Stir warm chocolate well to remove any lumps.
Place the eggs, stevia and powdered erythritol into a medium bowl and mix to combine.
Next add the melted chocolate and beat in well.
Add the rest of the dry ingredients and starting on low speed and gradually getting faster, mix until thoroughly combined. (starting on low prevents the cocoa powder from making a big cloud!)
Spread the thick brownie batter into the pan and bake for 15-20 minutes.
Let it cool in the pan. When cool, run a sharp thin knife around the edge and lift the brownies out of the pan with the parchment. Don’t worry if it cracks.
Chocolate Icing Layer:
Break the chocolate into small pieces and place into a smallish bowl with the ghee, coconut oil or butter.
Heat heavy cream in a small saucepan and, over medium heat. Pour the hot cream over the chocolate and let it sit for a minute. Stir until combined and glossy. Let it cool a bit and thicken.
Spread over the brownies and let cool in the fridge until the chocolate has hardened.
Cut and serve. Serves 16. Refrigerate any remaining brownies and enjoy at room temperature.
NOTE: *3 tablespoons of chia seeds, ground, will equal about 1/4 cup.
It’s best to under-cook the brownies for a fudgy texture.
Nutrition Facts Amount Per Serving
Calories 202 Calories from Fat 180
% Daily Value*
Total Fat 20g 31%
Saturated Fat 7g 35%
Polyunsaturated Fat 1g
Monounsaturated Fat 5g
Cholesterol 62mg 21%
Sodium 120mg 5%
Potassium 157mg 4%
Total Carbohydrates 7g 2%
Dietary Fiber 3g 12%
Protein 4g 8%
Vitamin A 7%
Vitamin C 1%
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
Hi Jackie. I find the subject of anorexia interesting, too. I have a male friend who spent 2 months
in an inpatient private hospital for substance abuse/alcoholism. There were also a fair number of
eating disorders being treated for that as well as cross addiction to alcohol. The patients had to
be monitored for not frantically exercising the moment that they finished eating. They weren’t allowed
to return to their rooms to purge, either. I think it is the compulsive nature of the disorder that
separates it from a pre-planned, voluntary fast.
Yesterday’s cup of bone broth was my only one so far, Allie. The rest has been water and black coffee. I’ve also taken one or two pinches of Maldon smoked sea salt every day.
The farm that makes the delectable bone brother is Miller’s Organic Farm: http://www.millersorganicfarm.com/ . You have to be a member to order online which I am not yet but will become because the goose, duck and goat broth were genuine revelations. Very curious membership form, I must say.
Along the lines of more salt, another option is a salty-dish broth. It is an easy way to get more salt and the hot broth is also very comforting and filling. Good luck. Hang in there. The pains you are experiencing are usually linked to extra weight loss….your body hasn’t quite figured things out yet so it even burns extra to try to catch up. If you can stick with it another 2-3 days I am sure you will see an improvement. Do try the broth with extra salt.
I am no expert on anorexia so I wouldn’t presume to speculate on the general issue, but I suspect that the fasting record-holder was not exercising many hours a day, which as I understand it is usually part of the disordered behavior. He may also have been taking vitamin supplements. That’s something Dr. Fung talks about, ensuring your micronutrients are tended to with a simple multivitamin taken daily.
Probably the biggest difference, however, is the voluntary, non-compulsive nature of a fast versus the obsessive, secretive, defensive character of anorexia. People suffer with the disorder for years, hiding it from friends and family, refusing treatment when it’s finally offered, secretly exercising at night when they are forced to eat a morsel of two. It’s not a regulated thing with a beginning and end, done for a limited time as desired for health reasons.
Meanwhile, 20hrs in to a fast and all good here. Have been busy in meetings and dog walking, not much time to sit and eat. Took self to car wash and had a shower mid day (separate activities – that would be a distraction!) to stop self dwelling on eating. More (low carb) options to eat at home, but so far not physically hungry. It’s such a weird process. Just licked some sea salt up (delicious) but otherwise just coffee and water.
Leaving house at 7.30 so just need to get through next few hours and then should be good for at least 36 hour fast. Maybe longer, as am eating breakfast after a dog walk tomorrow that should see me through until 10 or 11.
So excited to have cracked this process, it suits me now, but I don’t think I could have done it until right now, when I am ready physically and mentally.
As someone who is pro-fast and currently on a fast, I am interested in how all this relates to anorexia. I know that there’s a mental difference, but is the physical difference just they have no fat to lose and shouldn’t be restricting food? I know a few friends with kids with anorexia and it strikes me that the strategies for making them eat are pretty full on – you must eat cake etc.
I must stress, I do not come from an area of knowledge on this, I am genuinely interested in how come anorexics seem to get so physically ill and fasting people don’t seem to, even after a year.
Sorry if this is me being thick, I would just like to understand better.
my name is Nick i type 2 diabetes and i about to do the 800 calorie diet.
I’ve been eating soups so far just to see how i get on. I do have a question does anyone or can anyone recommend the shakes that should be used I heard a few stories that some shakes are not authentic and contain sugar . is there a reputable shake company anyone can recommend for diebetics
Hi M2M – I’m so pleased that you’ve joined. That’s a great goal. Any questions/issues fire away, there’s lots of people on here happy to help. Catch up with you soon.
And lots more WOWZERS!!! from me! Hope it goes well Esnecca and I look forward to hearing how you feel afterwards. That takes so much discipline – I’m really impressed.
I remember reading about the man who fasted 392 days – fascinating story. Here’s the link in case anyone else is interested https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/tale-angus-barbieri-fasted-year-lost-21-stone/
In 1966 a 27-yr old man spent over a year in hospital fasting – he was free to come and go as he wanted but they kept a close eye on him. He lost an amazing 21 stone.
Well done Sunny! Esnecca – I’ve just ordered Jason Fung’s book as I am fascinated by fasting. The longest I’ve managed is 46 hours and that was back in November. But every day I do 18/6 with the odd 24 when I can face it! I was also curious about the fasting/starving question, so glad you answered that. LindaA – interesting reading your post also with tips regarding salt.
Thanks Esnecca – echoing the WOWZERS!!! for week long. Would also love to hear how that has gone.
Hi all – loving the positivity on here.
Esnecca – a week long fast WOW can’t wait to hear how you feel at the end. I have today just come out of a 20hr fast as was thrilled with that! Only ate lunch as I’m going into a meeting at 2pm and didn’t want my tummy rumblings too be heard 🙂
Mokovek, the longest fast on record lasted something like 362 days. There is no chance that any intermittent or even extended fast in the normal people range would starve you. Our bodies have evolved to recycle proteins and use fat stores specifically to handle long periods when food is not available. Constant access to food is a very recent phenomenon, and still not the case in large parts of the world. A study of people who did a religious fast of 40 days found their health markers were all astronomically improved at the end. The level of human growth hormone was an unbelievable 1250% higher than in the pre-fasted state. That’s why I’m in the middle of week-long fast right now. I drink like a fish and it’s all good.
Thank you for the encouraging comments I’m so glad I finally came in from the sidelines🙂am back on my lunchtime ‘trifle’ fage, raspberries and cinnamon, and walking to a kettle with no snacks for drinks – down 1.6lb in 2 days- definitely feeling less ‘starchy’
Wow – it’s great to see so many people joining the challenge – good luck everyone.
Welcome newcomers – I was a newcomer on the last challenge and it really helped having the support of the other people on the forum. Good luck – this woe really does work and if you falter just post and someone will be around to offer support.
I had a very exciting day yesterday – the Queen visited my place of work. There was such a buzz around the place and lots of excitement. There was a lovely big cake to commemorate the occasion and queen of puddings in the canteen for lunch. I watched and clapped as they cut the cake but made myself scarce when they started handing out slices.
So I’ve worked out that I need to lose 3.5lbs every week to meet my target for this challenge – may be a bit too challenging, but you have to give it a go don’t you.
Good luck everyone and I look forward to hearing all your updates.
Hi LivetoEat – sounds like you have a bad case of the carb flu. Like Allie, I’m wondering what your daily carb intake is, as it’s important to get it low enough for your body to switch to using your fat supplies as fuel. Also, are you making sure you have fats in your menu? This is important, as this also helps to kick your body into fat burning mode.
I’m confident that if you stick with it, it will all come right and you will get through this flu phase and the weight will start to drop again. Hope you will soon be feeling better and seeing positive changes soon.
Thank you so much everyone, for the kind words and pat on the back. I did break early, with a tablespoon of kefir and one cracker with a scrape of butter and a little marmite just before we went out. For the meal out, I had a small starter of mushrooms in a blue cheese sauce and then a small portion of roast beef, cauli cheese, cabbage, with a splash of gravy and a tsp of horseradish sauce. Confess I also had a glass of red wine. Felt comfortable after the meal and can report the scales showed a drop of 1lb today, which surprised me, as with the meal out and the wine, I had expected to see a static result – no loss/no gain.
Have to say, once I got past the psychological peckishness early on, I didn’t have any feelings of hunger and actually did feel I could have pressed on for a few hours more. Interestingly, it was having the kefir and cracker that stirred any real hunger – almost like it had reminded my stomach it hadn’t had anything.
But even though the 23hrs was comfortable and I now believe I could increase that by a few hours, I can’t imagine doing a whole week and as I said before, I know that if OH realised that I was fasting, it would be met with considerable opposition. So It will have to be 24hr fasts for me – stretched by an hour or two if I can – as I can manage this with OH not being around most of the day, but he’d only realise if I wasn’t eating with him in the evening and protest. Now that he is semi-retired, there are no business trip these days, so no opportunity for me to sneak in a fast of much more than 24hrs. Think it is something I will be doing again though and might even think about doing once a week in the run up to our upcoming trip to Turkey.
Esnecca, I have absolutely no doubt that you will succeed with your week long fast and like others, will be interested in hearing how it goes and your observations. All power to you!
Hello Live to Eat
That was just like me when I started the Fast 800 some time ago. I had hardly the energy to get up the stairs and that was 6 weeks into it! Standing up was just the same. It does go eventually. In my case, I had a lot of candida die-off going on. Do you think this might be the case with you?
Hello, Live to eat. It doesn’t sound as if you’ve switched over to fat burning yet. When you do,
you will have a limitless supply of energy! What are your daily carb levels?
One tip for the dizziness is to use a bit of sea salt on your food, or even a few flakes in the palm
of your hand. That usually clears it right up 🙂
Hang in there, it will get better!
Hi all, last night I could have really had a drink, fancied one like mad, but resisted. This morning I have lost .25lb so I am so glad a didn’t give in as that would have been either a zero loss or even a small gain. Only 6 more days to go so I will grit my teeth and do this.
E., I was curious, too. Thank you for outlining the alleged benefits of an extended fast. The HGH
benefits are the most interesting to me. Are you doing water only, or using the wonderful bone broth?
I’ll have to see if I can research the Amish source! I won’t wish you luck…I agree with Theo, with you
at the helm it won’t be necessary. Carry On! 🙂