Thanks FoFi, I have been wondering about the German rye bread I have in my freezer somewhere. I was going to dig it out and start a bit of research. It makes a lovely foundation for egg sandwiches, with any kind of egg. And one is really filling. Glad to know that it is low enough in carbs to be an option.

Woop! I lost nearly 4 lbs overnight, bringing my total at Week 3, Day 2 to just about 10 lbs 🙂 Week 3, Day 1’s results were no change in weight after the first brilliant week – but I wasn’t too bothered, as my whizzy new bathroom scales informed me that my %body fat had decreased by 1.7% from the start, and %muscle had increased by 0.8% (%water has also been increasing). So I figured things were going the right way. But I was much happier this morning, when that weight finally dropped off!

Could you not just buy a single carton of full fat milk for your own use? (Although I’m with the other flytraps – full fat milk tastes off to me too 😉 )

I sympathise with you Bill – it’s so maddening to get higher readings. You mentioned milk, I only ever drink full fat – can’t stand the others and I’ve had low and high readings as you know. I’m trying to link my higher ones with a recent chest infection which has taken a fortnight to clear up – are you well in yourself? Not sure if our general health is linked somehow to our readings??

and the mice still rule the world 🙂

no problems. As an aside, I was wondering if we should create a FAQ section where we can put advise that new joiners often ask. I used to know where the info was and was able to point people to that forum post, but there is soooo much now and we may lose it as people move on.

Sorry to hear you’re not well jpscloud. As you say, getting back to full health has to be your priority. Might I suggest though that rather than come off plan altogether, you just forget about counting calories. Stick to low carb and keep your fat up and your protein moderate. You have nothing to gain by reintroducing carbs (no pun intended)but you might surprise yourself that you could still lose weight just by following the med principles. Eat when you are hungry and stop when you are full.

Hello folks I will begin my journey in two days I’ve got the book,buying the food, taking measurements and weight .
Curious about blood readings as my nurse took mine AFTER a meal instead of normal fasting sample I wonder why.???? Any help here ?
I’m nearly 20-00 stone but six foot big build so even my doctor didn’t think I was overweight .
As mentioned before on here very little food advice comes from doctors and nurses some even contradict itself,they said diabetes doctors are like gods as it’s such a complex subject,so I’ve no chance then doc!

Just catching up with the discussion and enjoying reading your posts. The first few days doing BSD were just getting into the system and I found I was a bit all over the place with regards to counting carbs, but now that has settled down and I haven’t had any chocolate cravings, or low sugar episodes, so this must be working! Amazed at how many different types of food I can eat, certainly no excuse to say it’s boring or running out of ideas!

Have to agree that 5:2 suits my lifestyle and I have successfully lost and generally kept within maintenance range of 120 – 125 lbs and see that as my long term way of eating. I do like the fact that when I do stray over 125 lbs just an extra fast day or two gets results.

I do have cravings for carb laden foods, eg chocolate, desserts, sweet and savoury pies and I do enjoy making cakes, so I am trying BSD to try to even out the sugar swings and to get away from all these bad foods. I keep reading about the effects of sugar and insulin and the effect they have on general health and don’t fancy being on medication for something that I could have prevented.

So nice to read posts from so many people who have different experiences and goals, the main one being to improve health.

Well done for keeping with it. I started the BSD 800 on 4.4.16. I am 51 years old,6ft 1 and weighed 14st 11lb when I started 2 days ago. Weighed myself today and I was 14st 7.5lb. It’s dropping off me at the moment. Having realised that denial isn’t a river in Egypt, I’m determined to see this through then carry on with the 5:2. Good luck to you and your wife. Mark

Hi
I’m not a big salad fan but I know there are some on here who are.
As to the Sunday dinner, I have everything bar the potatoes (replaced with cauli mash) and yorkies.
It has never harmed me weight or sugar wise.

I need some advice what salad dressing can I use can I have mayonaise ?
And I’ve been invited to 2 dinner party’s this month ( typical )
Please let me know what to choose I think one is a sunday dinner. X

This is the way forward. Simple carbs are the work of the devil! I have lost 3.5Ibs since 4.4.16 when I embarked on the 800 cal aday diet. The Dr wasn’t interested in this concept. He was more concerned that I didn’t get along with Metformin! I do believe that the pharmaceutical companies put pressure on GP’s to peddle their products. I am keeping a diary so that when I DO succeed in reversing this disease it will all be audited in black and white.

Dear Christi1948,

So pleased to hear that your daughter is now happily remarried and hope that Thea can find peace within herself.

Not sure about the drink as we haven’t touched a drop since we started the BSD, it scares me as before even after 1/2 glass of wine I was like a truffle pig snorting around the cupboards for anything and everything to eat, it seems to get my hungry button stuck on empty and I just eat for England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Europe and the whole universe! Let’s just see how things go and will report back in the ,owning hopefully feeling suitably smug, if not will confess all and try to move on!

People !!!
Orchid has just posted a link to a BBC article on diabetes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35959554
At the bottom of the article is a contact link that lets you email them to tell them your T2D stories.
I’ve just given them the whole 9 yards including links to this forum and the petition.
Please everybody do the same. This could just generate the publicity we need.
The above may be a link to the BBC but the article is about T2D worldwide, so if all of our friends from outside the UK could send emails that would be a big help
An example of what myself and Lynne have sent is in the petition thread in the BSD Med Style Low Carb forum
Thanks in advance.

They like to take readings at various times of day, usually fasting (when you wake) pre food, and then 1 – 2 hours after a meal
It just gives a better picture of how you react to sugars.

Thanks for the warm welcome everybody, day 2 nearly completed and I’m feeling great. I’m impressed by your use of German Switzerland and Eureka, I was wondering whether there could be any Swiss folks on here? I will definite look into getting a spiralizer and had seen some really tasty looking recipes on this website. I’m not as nervous today, it doesn’t seem as hard as I thought it would be.

Re reading my levels my nurse asked to take my blood when I had recently eaten saying it didn’t matter if I’ve not fasted
What’s all that about ???
Any ideas folks

Thanks SunnyB, I’m used to making different versions of each meal as 1 daughter is a vegetarian while the other loves meat with NO veg! Guess I’ll soon get the hang of doing the same just minus the carbs for me.

Not that I’m into Gothic erotica or anything like that Lynne
I want her computer skills 🙂

I’ve been having the odd slice of “Biona Organic Rye Pumpkin Seed Bread” which I can get at Tesco. It is the dark rye sort of bread. It isn’t as low as some of the above in carbohydrate, but as far as I can extrapolate from some of the GI websites it has a reasonable GI and one slice is low GL. It freezes well. I like the taste, but I imagine not everyone will. There are other varieties.

Yes very naughty referring to it in the book and not then supplying it. I only started yesterday so not a good start to using the website!

Hi catgirl
My daughter is in her second marriage, she is now blissfully happy and the kids have settled in with their step sisters, our youngest lives near us now with her three girls having had a very rough time with her partner, all but the middle child, who’s 7, have settled, Renee was old enough to understand, Dana was too young to remember anything, so only Thea has had issues, she is getting counselling at school. The new son-in-law is the salt to the first husbands cheese, he is a breath of fresh air.
Anyway enough rambling have a great night and have one on me (a drink) that is!

Hi caz
I agree. People have noticed mistakes like that in the recipes. In fact there’s z thread on it. Also 20 g carbs! Too high I think. Need to invent your own version.
Penny

Alanhypno they don’t stay the same mate
My levels fell steadily over the first 4 weeks, I then had a 2 week blip as (so I’m informed) the sugar was draining from my organs. After that the levels fell again to the point where I am now classed as pre diabetic after just 4 weeks on the plan. My last couple of weeks have been in normal ranges, today is just a one off I’m sure.
Don’t worry about it, people who have the odd glitch are far outnumbered by those who aren’t.

After reading these articles about people losing weight but sugar levels remaining the same I’m a little worried about begging this weekend (new start new me )

Hi all
the above may be a link to the BBC but the article is about T2D worldwide, so if all of our friends from outside the UK could send emails that would be a big help
An example of what myself and Lynne have sent is in the petition thread in the BSD Med Style Low Carb forum
Thanks in advance.

That’s brilliant Lynne
If we can get a couple hundred emails of that ilk sent we may get a reaction.
I would add that although it is the BBC, the article is about the worlwide T2D problem so can we ask all our friends from outside the UK to mail them too and let’s try to get this thing rolling.

Emailed. This is what I sent.

Good afternoon.
I am type 2 diabetic, diagnosed in 2009. After being diet controlled, following the conventional advice of carbohydrates with every meal, since then I was on the point of being prescribed medication when I found a book called ‘The 8 Week Blood Sugar Diet’.
Since 19th December 2015 I have been following the advice of Dr M Mosley and Professor R Taylor to cut out simple carbohydrates and eat a Mediterranean style diet.
In just under 16 weeks I not only feel much better, I have lost just over 3 stone, dropping 3 dress sizes. My fasting blood sugar has dropped from 10.9 to under 5. Today it was 4.0. Prior to this way of eating I struggled to get a fasting reading under 7. My blood pressure has also dropped.
When eating the recommended carbohydrates I was always hungry, always panicking if food was not easily available. Now, with restricted carbohydrates, I am not hungry and only eat breakfast and an evening meal. Late night snacking is a thing of the past. I no longer crave the carbohydrates that used to dominate my thinking.
In addition I have more energy, think more clearly and have better concentration.
I am a member of an online forum now attracting world-wide membership
https://thebloodsugardiet.com
The results people are recording speak for themselves. We are so pleased that we have found something that works for us when conventional medical and dietary advice has failed us that we have started an on-line petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/125704
in the hope that the government will use this dietary approach for type 2 diabetes care in the near future.
We are convinced that this dietary approach works and is the way forward whereas conventional medical and dietary advice for many decades, of eating carbohydrate and low-fat, has not halted the increase in the number of type 2 diabetics and has not stopped the need for many to be prescribed medication in an effort to reduce blood sugar levels.

B: Blueberry Chia (from the recipes on here)

L: Tuna and a Mixed Salad with a Mustard and Yogurt Dressing

D: 2 Red Peppers stuffed with Quorn mince, topped with Parmesan

S: 100g Yogurt

Hello and welcome! I’m new too currently on day 4. Loving it!! I hope it does you well

I don’t have any one site in particular LIz. I just usually google the name of the food followed by nutritional information and check 3 or 4 sites from the results to see how well they agree (they often don’t) and then go by the majority result.
It’s not exact science but nothing is and it seems to work for me.
Still didn’t get to a Morrisons or Sainsbury to get the livlife bread, I must try tonight.
Oh, try the flatbreads topped with cream or ricotta cheese and sliced strawberries, to die for 🙂

Thanks Ladies – Today is better, so far 😉

The foot pain comes in fits. It’s always there, but the pain level ramps up and down. Never thought about the cold, but when I was putting the pain cream on last night i noticed how cold my feet were even with thick socks and fuzzy slippers I had on. I will have to keep an eye on it for sure.

It’s still cold, we’re supposed to get 1-3cm of snow again this morning, but it’s going to warm up to 4C and turn to rain and wash it all away this afternoon. Warm weather can’t come soon enough! Cherrianne – I will GLADLY send you some if you want it. LOL.

This morning my Ketones were small (they have been consistently medium since day 2), so it’s a good lesson for me in what one simple carb will do to the process. On another note, I’m feeling lighter, my pants are more loose, and my Fasting and Evening BS are in the pre-Diabetic range. I was on a slow release insulin at night “as needed” and I haven’t had to inject for over a week. Now that’s a win.

Make today a great day!

Deb

Thanks Cherrianne for the suggestion and I will do that. I keep a full diary of all key stats an food eaten.
I assume the low glucose readings thus far are as I’m eating far less and virtually no carbs other whats in the veg and Mediterranean menu I’m eating. So would the lower read not be expected naturally? thanks, Nalin PS morning fast read today was 6.3.

I know you would be happy.That is a good result so far. I thought I would have had better reults half way through the eight weeks. I am very determined and will stick it out for as long as it takes for me to lose the amount I want. Thanks for the response. Much appreciated!

LOL Bill

There’s a queue forming on here for Gibbs 😃 Looks like you’re at the head of the line for Abbey!

Thank you, just trying to get ready to start counting carbs instead of calories! I can only manage one flatbread as well – very nice dipped in olive oil and eaten with a salad. What do you use to help with your carb counting?

The site says to count it as 6g Liz
They are incredibly filling though and I couldn’t eat 2 at a sitting

So how do you count that in your daily carb count? 17g or 6g (17g minus 11g of fibre)

Sod Gibbs
I WANT ABBEY

Can’t go to bed, I am in work with 80 other weird people. I for my sins, have to work until I am at less 400 years old.
Then I can go part time. 🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐
At home around 9tonight, maybe then.

Keep going, keep rambling, keep muttering..

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi Lynne
I hope thats my fault and the site is overloaded.
The email address you need is
haveyoursay@bbc.co.uk
I’ve posted what I mailed them in one of the petition threads further down the forum

Hi,
I have been doing this a month omg. No one told me.
One more month then I go into the crazy realm of , done it, got the t shirt.
One month has flown.
I dare not look back on my blogs, do I really ramble so much?

Anyway, will chat more tonight.

Best piece of advice for you today from me, keep your vest tucked in at all times.
Second best – don’t kiss anyone on a Wednesday who has a bad cold. Unless they are Gibbs.

Mmmmmm Gibbs,.”…………….

Love Lucia
Xxxx

LMAO Lucia weird
I don’t know what I expected to see but I nearly fell off the chair when I saw the image.
Keep in touch with your pancreas, it needs loads of TLC
Now, get to bed and rest 😉

Bill

I just tried that link. The contact link at the bottom just gives me a page saying it’s being updated with no option to email. I’m using a tablet, do I need to go on a computer? Or what am I doing wrong?

Oh and

Yoghurt and apple
Chicken and veg heated up.
Unsure of my main meal later.

I am eating less, but I feel that as I am getting a cold, I could fall off the wagon. I am not starving, just craving.
Weird.
Weird can be my middle name.

Love
Lucia weird.

Xxx

Hi Bill 1954.

I talk to my bladder too.

And I have a real pretty spleen.

My pancreas is a little whimsical though. It reminds me of sweet corn. Well google it on the Internet. Tell me what you see, bet it’s sweet corn.

I have a cold you know, I am allowed to ramble.

Love Lucia
Xxx

There’s a free 8 week Meditation programme on-line one with mp3s, videos and reading links:

http://palousemindfulness.com

And there are many alternative resources. One whose writing on the subject I enjoyed reading recently is Sam Harris, a neuroscientist, thinker etc. To my daughter I recommended Sam Harris’ 9 minute meditation as a guide in technique. This could be followed, for example, by a recording of the calm sea to allow you to drift off whilst concentrating on the breath. A long term favourite of mine to help me mindfully relax is Brian Eno’s Music For Airports Part 1.

You can of course meditate in complete silence and your own brain will often take you on interesting journeys, whilst centring and grounding you.

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate

The longer guided meditation is more of an active experience which also engages the meditator in exploring consciousness/the self. SH follow up article also gives Soundcloud links to the mp3s of the 9 min and 26 mins meditations:

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/mindfulness-meditation

Hi all, I’m taking a bit of time off the plan. Probably just a few days, we’ll see how I go. I have been placed on loads of antibiotics for some infections that have been making me feel progressively more ill for a while now – typical of me to try to ignore it for too long! I was feeling better with the 800 diet, but couldn’t ignore it any longer.

I feel quite unwell just now and think I need to focus on getting my health up to speed before I have another go. I’ll see how many days it takes for the antibiotics to kick in, and then decide whether to carry on from where I was, or restart the 8 weeks.

In the best tradition of the terminator…

I’ll be back!!