Sounds lovely! Interesting experiment. Can I ask how you know you were in a state of ketosis? I asked in Boots for ketosis sticks but they were £30 for ten and the assistant didn’t think I’d really need them.

Just wanted to share my bbq experience. Had our first new last night (UK!) and was worried I would go over but managed to stay on course with salmon, a tiny burger (92cals) served on a portobello mushroom! Watermelon & feta salad and Waldorf salad. Followed by grilled pineapple. And the scales still moved this morning!!
Sharing in case anyone needs ideas this summer 🙂

I started cutting down on gluten in Jan and am now in week 5 of BSD – for several months I’ve noticed my finger nails have started to chip and flake. I’m taking a daily multivitamin tablet. What nutrients am I missing? Anyone else solved this?

Hi julia18togo,
Thank you, we are all getting there the funeral was last Thursday, we are going to make a special visit to the parents next week, I always think it’s after that, that support is needed, we will do whatever we can for them, they are such a close family, it’s so much for them to take in, they are doing ok though at the moment, bearing up, as they say!
Thank you again for your concern, I hope the exams are going ok, our grandson just has two more next week chemistry and history, he should do ok he has worked very hard for them! Good luck to your examerX
Christine

couch to 5k is a good programme if you want something to help you jog. It builds you up from short sections of running with longer walking sections up to running for 30 mins in 8 weeks. I did it a couple of years ago with success until I had an injury and stopped. I’ve NEVER been able to run. Even in school I couldn’t even get to the end of 400m…
I did some weeks of the programme twice as I didn’t feel ready to progress to the next week, so I probably took 10-12 weeks to get to 30 mins I can’t remember. Subsequently I continues to build and I was able to jog for an hour.

It’s something I want to do again once i’ve lost some of my excess baggage. I can’t do it just now because I have pain in my arches. Walking is enough for the moment.

The most important running secret, and something no one ever told me until I read a book when I was older. It is ok to run SLOWLY. totally. In fact running slowly helps you to run for longer, and build it up further. Trying to run faster too soon just means you can’t run as long and wear yourself out and give up.

Week 2 ended yesterday & I was disappointed to only lose 1lb, in fact the scales moved down and then up again. Whilst I was over the 800 on one day when we ate at friends I’d been good all day before that and felt it was a lot of denial and commitment for a small loss …BUT… today on the first day of week 3 the scales moved another pound. So still a small loss for week 2 at two pounds but I feel happier.
Having lost 7lbs in week one I had hoped for 4lb this week and therefore a stone by week 3/4. I will have to be patient!!
Still, 9lbs in two weeks is fab! Well worth it.

I’ve been BSD for 8 weeks and have found it very effective in reducing weight (15kg) and keeping BS in normal range. But I do still miss a really nice pudding. So I decided to do a one off experiment and find out what impact having a high fat/sugar pudding would have.

On Friday 13th I weighed 105.2 kg. Had a dinner of salmon, mushrooms and green beans at 5.30 pm. my BS at 6.45 pm was 5.

My pudding consisted of a 100 g slice of Belgium chocolate cheesecake with a 100 g serving of Cornish clotted cream. That’s 908 cals, 85 g fat and 26 g sugar. Yep I was going for a big one.

I had this fat fest at 8 pm and it was totally gorgeous. At 9.30 pm my BS was 6, I tested again 30 mins later and still 6.

On the Saturday 14th my pre and post BS levels were 5 and 5.5.

On Sunday 15th (am) my weight was 104.2 (a loss of 1 kg) and still in state of ketosis.

I’m not offering any reasons for the seemingly lack of impact of eating the fat fest pudding as I am no dietitian/scientist but the principles behind the BSD and Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) may be at play.
I don’t intend to do this every day but maybe a celebratory fat binge every now and then may not be such a bad thing.

Thanks Maryphil – hope you’re doing ok on week 2!

BabsG, I now realise you don’t live in uk! 38 degrees??? We’re at less than half that here, but I did spend yesterday walking around a stately home and vast grounds in the sunshine. Our family picnic was adapted to my new regime, and worked just fine (altho the kids dunked their mini sausages in my humus). Well done on the weight loss. As I said, I don’t weigh myself but when I looked in the mirror after getting dressed yesterday I realised my clothes were hanging differently, and my jeans belts is yet another notch tighter. Quite apart from that i definitely feel better physically.. Which is the ultimate aim 😃

Hi Barrelonlegs

Welcome to the family. Glad you’ve decided to join us. You’ll get lots of support on here. Now we’re in so many countries there’s usually someone around to help 😃

Hi Janeycoughdrop
Welcome to the family and well done on resisting the muffin.
Don’t be afraid to have full fat cappuccinos, the skinny ones have heaps more sugar and on the new eating plan (I refuse to call it a diet), you needs your fats. Don’t forget to calculate them as part of your calories and carbs as they so add up quickly.
I’m resisting coffee altogether until I’m at my goal weight, over 3 weeks in and not one cap! Lots of herbal teas to keep my fluids up and lots of water. Now I even carry herbal teabags with me in case the cafe doesn’t sell them!
If you’re in Australia, you can download the Easydietdiary app for free and that will keep track of everything for you.
Let us know how you go😀
BabsG, you are doing so well, keep it up, it won’t be long before you’ve lost that first stone!
Welcome both to the family!

hi – well I have done one week, although not to 800cal
I don’t have diabetes (or didn’t as of jan this year)
so I decided to just cut out the rubbish carbs and most sugar and go from there
have not felt hungry hardly at all – although that is not to say I couldn’t eat a whole pile of chocolate or cake if it sat beside me

anyway – since January I was doing the fast diet, but ran into difficulties and also family bereavement led me back to my bingeing behaviours and I put some weight back on

today I weighed after this first week and have got back to the lowest I got on the fd – so I lost 3 1/2 pounds this week
that is good I think I am pleased so long as my head will continue with current enthusiasm
I don’t want to be a fat person anymore (no judgment to anyone other than myself here)
I don’t want to be afraid of food and afraid of my body anymore

I have already received some great support from some wonderful people on this site and I hope to stay around and maybe sometimes have something useful to say to help others

good wishes to you all

thanks californiagirl but please don’t worry on my behalf
I had several ecg’s a few weeks ago (long story)
and they seemed ok
gp knows and if it keeps happening I will go back
I have meds that can slow it

I think because it has fat and protein, and no sugar, it isn’t setting off any cravings.

I’m sitting here just now thinking about things and trying to reflect on my cravings. I HAVE craved things now and then over the past 4 weeks but not often.

I’m deliberately thinking of crisps and chocolate just now and actually I’m not feeling I want them. I’m sure if I had some I would want more. I think I was certainly sugar addicted.

I can’t really explain it, but a mixture of the way the diet works physically, and some mental stuff- I’m 40, been fighting my weight half my life. I don’t want my 40’s to be the battle that the past two decades have been. I want to have the energy for my kids, I want to have the energy to eventually go to Peru and walk the Inca trail and see all the stuff there, but I won’t be able to do that for years yet… I don’t want to be even less healthy if I don’t fix myself! I want to have energy to really live.

My husband and I had a hard couple of years first with his depression and subsequently mine. I think it took us to a turning point where we both want to choose Life, health, happiness. For us and for our kids.

I think it’s added to my motivation to make this work in a big way, but I’m certain this way of eating really does help to kill the cravings. That and the fact I’m finding some alternatives that I’ve really been enjoying. Like the chickpeas and the pancakes. I’m actually enjoying the food, enjoying the process. The whole experience of searching for ideas, using or adapting them, making up my own, the cooking, I’m loving it. It’s been an awakening of sorts!

I simply *must* continue!

and on that subject I’m about to make the gram flour drop scones recipe from pmshrink in the recipe section 🙂

A good side-benefit is that my kids are eating these things too. Sadly my daughter (age 11 going on 16) -although I’ve always given her what I saw to be a good diet, she would always choose junk. I guess all kids go through that phase. But she loves the coconut flour pancakes and the chickpeas I make, also the scotch eggs. Even courgetti (if I do it in the oven) and I’m hopeful that feeding my son (nearly 4) more of what I’m eating may help to keep him healthier. At the moment I’m fortunate with him as there isn’t much he won’t eat.

I’m going to see how these gram flour drop scones turn out, and decide what to have with them for breakfast,

Lunch will be cheese and salad

dinner is going to be hunters chick chick chick chicken!

we have silly words in this house. Chick chick chick chicken, sausamidges (sausages) and when we go to the movies we visit the cinemamama…

yup we are weirdo’s. feel free to join in, it will suit you I promise. Weirdness is the future.

I’m just starting day seven and I have already lost seven and a quarter pounds. I can’t wait to see what my final figure for the week will be tomorrow. We have just signed up to rent a treadmill so that I can get some extra exercise. It is too hot outside (we are expecting it to be 38 degrees) to do more than crawl to the car so a treadmill in the airconditioning seems to be the way to go.

I agree with sparkling water with bits of fruit to add some lovely taste. We are buying limes in bulk at home and that’s what I’ll have when I’m out. I’ve given up DIet coke since I started this WOL too.

Just finished week 2 and have lost just under 5kgs and my husband has lost 5 kg. I got the tape measure out and have lost 8cm from my waist. I am more than thrilled with that! We have 4 weeks until a big overseas trip so here is to a big effort between now and then.

Hi Bissell,
As boring as it sounds, fizzy water has no carbs – see if the pub has slices of lemon or lime. Mint leaves are nice in it. Don’t know if its practical but cut up strawberries or cucumber slices (?BYO) are refreshing. You could check the carb count of Angostura bitters if you like the taste to add to sparkling water. Have fun at the pub.

The best part of the day is the early morning.
It always seems sunny, cool, and promising.

Anyone doing anything crazy today?

I am thinking of having a go at jogging. I can walk for miles, but now I am going to run for 30 steps , the walk and recover, then run again for 30 steps. And repeat.

Gradually over time I will shorten the recovery time.

So if you see a crazy old big bright red bird going past, huffing and puffing, shout hi Lucia

Live Lucia
Xxxx

I’m looking for some ideas. I’m meeting up with friends on Monday and I can’t think what I could drink in the pub. I can’t bear the taste of Diet Coke, and I know I could have fizzy water, but that’s not very exciting!
Any bright ideas gratefully accepted.

I’m in my first week, haven’t weighed myself, relying on clothes to let me know. I think I’ve lost a little, but finding it hard to stay within 800. I think today I’ll be 900. I haven’t eaten anything obviously containing sugar, and have made lots of vegetable soups. I had an apple today and see it has quite a bit of sugar. I have/had a sweet tooth and that is the habit I’m trying to break. I don’t have any signs of diabetes, really just want to lose 10kgs and keep fit. I’ll keep checking in here!

Hi Linda and Nettle thanks for your quick replies. I will have a look for the Herman Brot for emergencies! But otherwise will stay away from bread. Hard to imagine!

Hi Olive Grace and Linda A too

I continued with 1 slice of gluten free seed bread for week one just to use it up…and probably because I thought I WOULD NEVER be able to go without bread! Week 9 now plus a few days now and cruising. I don’t think of bread at all. Hang in there Olive. Extra cooked vegies make a good grab snack if you are busy. I did make the Zucchini and Apple muffins from the book in the first week JUST IN CASE but 10 of the 12 are still in the freezer.

Hi Olive Grace
Just found Cherrianne’s post on the bread. I’ve copied it below:
“Herman Brot bread is very low carb at 2.3g carb and 111 cals per slice and freezes well. In SA it is available at Foodland and IGA stores. It isn’t cheap but our health is worth it, if you can’t live without an occasional slice of bread. This bread is delicious and you would never know it was low carb from the taste or texture. Check out their website for online ordering or a store near you.”
I hope this helps.
Linda

Hi Olive Grace
I’m 3.5 weeks in so some may have a different answer to me, but I would say no. All breads are high in carbs and not worth it. Although think Cherrieanne may have found one that she buys online in Australia. Where are you?
Cheers
Linda

Hi there this is my first day on the Fast800 – I’m trying to gather quick and realistic recipes for the week ahead and wondering if there is any kind of bread that is ok to eat. Burgen Soy and Linseed for instance? Would be very helpful on those super busy days. Any thoughts or opinions gratefully received. Olive

And the saga continues . . .

I am now formally done with the Fast 800 BSD until after breast cancer surgery (need to have enough calories on board to heal).

I’ve been carbing up for the last 4 days for a DIY Oral Glucose Tolerance test that I just completed.

The good news is that I AM NO LONGER DIABETIC (progress – yay!). The bad news is that I’m still glucose tolerance impaired, and close to diabetes . 10.21 @ 2 hours (Diabetes starts at 11.1). I won’t consider myself in remission until an OGTT is normal (below 7.77 at 2 hours. But there’s enough progress that I’ll have another go at 8 weeks-800 calories once I’ve healed from surgery. That will top off my weight loss – and (I hope) be enough to put me into remission.

As to surgery – new doctors; new eyes. She’s seeing more than my prior surgeon did. I’m grateful for eyes that see small differences, even though it may mean the cancer is more advanced than the other two doctors suggested. I’d rather have a few more tests up front so that these new observations can be addressed (or ruled out – as I hope). So I had another biopsy on Thursday, and have a 3rd (possibly a 4th) scheduled for Wednesday. If everything is negative (meaning good, in medical terms), surgery will be the 24th. If the results show micro metastasis, larger metastasis, or a second tumor, all bets are off.

Looking through the thread, I see I didn’t update the grand total for my 6 weeks on the BSD. So here are the final stats for now:

Week 1 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 5.05 mmol/l, T: 5.28 mmol/l W: 5.06 Th: 5.39 (highest in months) F: 4.44 S: 4.39 Sun: 4.44
Week 1 – Starting weight: 150.2 lbs – Ending weight: 147 lbs
Week 1 – High for the week: 7.72, Low for the Week: 4.06, Average for the week: 5.5

Week 2 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 4.83 mmol/l, T: 4.72 mmol/l W: 5.11 mmol/l Th: 4.79 mmol/l F: 4.83 mmol/l S: 4.33 mmol/l Sun: 4.6 mmol/l
Week 2 – Starting weight: 147 lbs – Ending weight: 144.8 lbs
Week 2 – High for the week: 6.83 mmol/l Low for the Week: 3.5 mmol/l, Average for the week: 5.27 mmol/l.

Week 3 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 4.61 mmol/l, T: 4.72 mmol/l W: 4.67 mmol/l Th: 4.9 mmol/l F: 4.5 mmol/l S: 4.33 mmol/l Sun: 4.66 mmol/l
Week 3 – Starting weight: 144.8 lbs – Ending weight: 142
Week 3 – High for the week: 7.22 mmol/l Low for the Week: 3.9 mmol/l, Average for the week: 5.5 mmol/l.
Note: High stress precipitated by early stages of cancer diagnosis.

Week 4 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 5.05 mmol/l, T: 4.83 mmol/l W: 4.61 mmol/l Th: 4.67 mmol/l F: 4.67 mmol/l S: 4.67 mmol/l Sun: 4.33 mmol/l
Week 4 – Starting weight: 142 lbs – Ending weight: 140.8 (2 lbs from a normal BMI!!!)
Week 4 – High for the week: 8.39 mmol/l (in the wake of incompetent administrative stress) Low for the Week: 4.33 mmol/l, Average for the week: 5.27 mmol/l.

Note: Formal breast cancer diagnosis came on Monday, before my fasting BG reading. Might be why it was a bit higher!

Week 5 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 4.89 mmol/l, T: 5.06 mmol/l W: 4.83 mmol/l Th: 3.83 mmol/l F: 4.83 mmol/l S: 5.39 mmol/l Sun: 4.61 mmol/l
Week 5 – Starting weight: 140.8 lbs – Ending weight:140.0
Week 5 – High for the week: 7.05 mmol/l (High stress day) Low for the Week: 3.83 mmol/l, Average for the week: 5.44 mmol/l.

Week 6 – Fasting blood glucose: M: 4.83 mmol/l, T: 4.17 mmol/l W: 4.56 mmol/l Th: 4.5 mmol/l F: 4.89 mmol/l S: 4.72 mmol/l Sun: 4.44 mmol/l
Week 6 – Starting weight: 140.0 lbs – Ending weight: 138.0
Week 6 – High for the week: 7.22 mmol/l Low for the Week: 3.94 mmol/l, Average for the week: 5.28 mmol/l.

Weight loss on Low Carb/Moderate Protein (179 days): 47.1 lbs Average BG 6.0

Weight loss on 800 Calorie Mediterranean Style food with 16:8 intermittent fasting (42 days): 12.2 lbs Average BG 5.39 mmol/l (lower, even after the breast cancer diagnosis – which came in bits and pieces starting the middle of week 3, to the first day of week 4, with added stress associated with too little time to wrap up affairs before surgery mid to late May)

Just curious about everyone’s drug reductions. Went to my gp yesterday who was totally dismissive of my bs readings. (Fasting in the 7s) I want to reduce my metformin and glymperide but not sure the safest way to do it. Do I halve everything or miss out my morning or evening metformin?

Izzy I couldn’t have hot chocolate or the cravings would kick in I feel. You have good power!!

Thank you. Some great ideas here, thank you. Unfortunately my cooking imagination is a bit limited, so thank you hashimoto for giving me somewhere to start on Google. I found a cheap ham bone at the deli so a ham and carrot broth was last nights attempt. Cheesy broccoli is looking positive for my next foray.

B – 2 egg omelet with herbs
L – 2 oz salmon
1 cup strawberries
D – 3 oz salmon
1 cup strawberries
1 cup asparagus
1/2 cup tomatoes
1 t tartar sauce
1 t balsamic vinegar

Thanks Orchid, that’s what I thought. 💜

It is human to struggle. Just don’t quit. Start up again tomorrow. No one is perfect. Just start again.

Hi all, so I am worried a bit about your heart racing, Keeptrying, maybe check in with your doctor — you are doing so much right, you don’t want to be undone by a medical issue — get it checked out and keep us posted. We want you HEALTHY’ ER!!!!😄

Hi All, I’m writing as a grandmother, with two granddaughters and a memory/history of my child rearing and all we ate — so, what would be wrong with just including the young ones in YOUR new diet? The research supports it, children eat too much junk anyway, and you can encourage good eating habits. No pasta, no bread, just good quality protein, veg, and fruits and calcium (cheese, milk).

Go Barrelonlegs! We are happy to have you join us!! We probably ALL have fear of hunger, whether physical or psychological (😜😜) but we all understand the difficulties of changing our habits and lives — you are welcome here. Good wishes for the future. Settle in, write and share. You are in good company.

Hi Milky27
I saw last weeks episode on channel 7, well worth watching.
Enjoy
Linda

Hi Beth
Hope you had a restful sleep😀
I know exactly what you’re talking about regards shift work. I used to be a police officer in my younger days and I particularly hated night shift, especially when it was quiet around 4am as I just couldn’t stay awake!
7kg = 15.4lbs. There’s 2.2lbs to the kilo, so just over 1 stone in 3 weeks. I’ll take that!
I know all about you poms, my Dad is one! Escaped after the war and came here when he was 17 and jumped shipped from the English Merchant Navy, he’s 87 next month. My sister decided 20 years ago that she much preferred the cold weather of England than the hot weather of Australia (we’re in Sydney), so she has now made her home over there in Cheltenham close to my Dads family. I think she’s crazy, I hate the cold weather. Our winter is bad enough and most days are sunny with a max temp between 18-23 deg c😊
Are you in London? That would be hectic doing what you do.
Keep up the exercise and eat well, you will do it!
Cheers
Linda

Ooops – MM also on SBS1 Monday 19:30 but it’s a different program.

Hi Beth! The first days are sometimes difficult as you move to a new way of eating — just take it slow, be kind to yourself, and focus on just this day, just this meal — you can work your way into this eating plan slowly, don’t worry right now about all the weeks ahead, just focus one day at a time on what is healthy today. We are a big group of people who care about your outcome — you are going to do fine!

Thanks for that, not sure how much support I’m going to get! Going to take the book to my appointment and tell them I’m doing it !!!

Hi Milky27,

‘Sunday Night’ Channel 7.

Hi Linda,
I work on ambulances with paramedics. Used to be called EMT but now called EAC, its a money thing. So I do shift work which plays havoc with food and sleep patterns. We very rarely get meal breaks and have to manage on the 14 minutes we have at hospital. I’ve been having hummus, cream cheese, salad and Felafal so far but with the new 800 I’ll have to measure the amounts and take berry fruit salad. Its an adjustment. Problem is gonna be night shifts but I’m gonna be off them for 2
months so at least I’ll have the 8 weeks done. Can’t wait to start losing. Great job withvthe 7kg, it doesn’t mean much cos we use stone, I know crazy poms right!?
We have a lot of Aussy student medics that we stole cos we don’t have enough, they are great fun on the whole but non of them can drive tge ambos yet!
Feeling really positive and it really helps to have support like this. I’ve been very overweight for about 25 years. I have had brief times that I’ve been lighter but in the last 7 years I’ve gradually got up to 18 stone, I think thats about 115kg.
I must stop this chin-wagging and go to sleep it’s 00:12 here.
Gooday from you but good night from me! Heehee.
Beth.

Hi Beth
I’m now Week 3, day 5 and down 7 kgs.
I feel like I’m living and breathing this new way of life and not just considering it a diet. For me this is forever and I live it!
I’ve been up and down with my weight that many times, predominantly with low fat diets, and it frustrates me that the weight just always comes back on. My family (hubby and youngest who is now 23) are now eating my way by default. If they don’t like it, they can cook their own!😜
I find work the easiest time. I’ve always got leftover salad from the night before and I combine it with a boiled egg or a small tin of tuna and take it in a container. Voila! It keeps me going till dinner and is nutritious. The biggest pain is the 6 cups of herbal tea that I drink throughout the day and the subsequent visits to the loo, but it’s 55 steps and down and up a set of stairs to get there and back, so it adds to my step count!
I’m in an office 3 days a week, what sort of work do you do?
Cheers
Linda

BS meters
Did someone on here find the cheapest test meters ?
I find test strips most expensive
Any tips
Alan in uk

Hi All, I had planned to just have a nosy at the forums for a bit of inspiration, however here I am posting.
I was given the BSD book by my mum 2 weeks ago and gave it a halfhearted crack. Although my attempt was halfhearted I have lost 3.5kg in the 2 weeks.
I never get results like that, so am so inspired to do this for real (no cheating by day 3 this time). The past 2 weeks seem to have shown me that I have a massive fear of hunger. Is anyone else like that?
Seeing so many of you speak of exercise makes me realise that I must get up and get out for a walk (having a sleep in. Am in NZ so very different time zone to most of you I think)
Anyway just wanted to let you know that your second attempts have made me decide to do the BSD properly rather than continue my ‘sort of counting calories’ version.

Hi Linda, how many weeks are you in to it?
Day two I’ve had one brief headache but have been quite bad tempered at times (feels like PMT) but other than that going really well. I’m getting a lot of support from my mum, she’s done it already.
Yeah am drinking loads of water with lemon in and herb teas. I almost stopped eating carbs for three weeks before hand so this might have reduced the early simptoms I guess. Don’t feel hungry tonight, hoora. Worried a bit about managing things at work.
Hope all is good with you.
Beth 🙂

Great results sugarfree. 😃

How is everyone doing, drinking four million gallons of water an hour?
Or have you all let it slip.

Try and jazz it up,
Try with a slice of cucumber
Or lemon,
Get it fizzy or as one Italian waiter asked….eau, gas or no gas?

Try it hot, try it cold,
Try it as herbal teas,
But keep the water going.
It will…. How should I say it….. Keep you going . ( in the bathroom department).

Love Lucia
Xxxx

12.5 weeks in..2 stones down as of today. Now weigh 9 st 11lbs. Super happy..havent given up..very much a part of normal life now the bsd..delighted. also free from general aches and pains plus my allergies have eased. Only time I struggle is with hormones !! This is a lovely forum..