I’m away for 5 days in Cornwall at the end of Feb – not looking forward to going off the 800 cals but can’t see that I will be able to do this easily as we’re booked into fancy restaurants for two of the 5 days. Going to try and limit the carbs all the same and will be doing loads of walking so just hoping the weight gain won’t be huge – will be back on the diet as soon as we’re back.

Sounds like the tide is turning.
Let us know how you get on. I’m away at the Lemon festival in Menton this weekend and hoping I don’t succumb to the pastries!

I have been on the BSD for only 5 days and already lost 6 lbs . This is the best way of eating for me . Only been hungry once. I am going to keep this up . Can’t wait to see what 8 weeks will bring !

I’ve just finished reading the book but got a bit confused when I got to the recipe section. Michael advises to limit the tropical fruits whilst berries, pears and apples are fine. However, the very first breakfast recipes include fruit such as mango, melon, passion fruit and raisins… Can someone clarify please as I do love my fruit.Thank you 🙂

Well I made the muffins last week and popped them in the freezer ready for yesterdays day conference where I knew the lunch would be sandwiches, samosas crisps etc… I can’t say they were moist like a blueberry muffin, they were much more crumbly – but they weren’t too bad – not sure if freezing them released more moisture from the courgette and apple.

Hi Suzie
I’ve plateaued from the start! I’m on day 12. So far lost 2.5 lbs, one inch off waist despite doing 1000s of steps every day., and sticking to the diet. My sisters the same. It’s strange. But I am sleeping better and feeling better so I’m carrying on with fingers crossed.
Good luck
Penny

Thanks Nettyrim.
If your body behaves like mine (and everybody is different?) than you will notice a marked change in your blood pressure if you follow the diet. There is no doubt the foods suggested in the diet have a marked effect looking at the numerous reactions to change of diet. I think the other comments elsewhere on gut bacteria are illuminating and my stomach rumbles told me something was going on!

I was on 5mg Linisipril and after the first significant change in blood pressure reduced my dosage to 1/2 pill ie. 2.5mg. When the BP readings continued to stay low (I also felt a little giddy from time to time) I felt it was worth trying without and have felt better for a week now.
I monitor my BP regularly anyway (3-4 times per week) and my readings have dropped from 130/70 on the 5mg dosage to 108/68 on none.
Let us know how you get on with the Glicazide.

Has anyone else had this happen? Am active lady over 60 go to the gym and need to loss 16lbs, bought the book and started the 800 cals and no carbs diet Monday and really stuck to it but no results?Jumped on the scales expecting great things and disappointed lost zero, nothing! Am dreaming of carbs and missing bread like crazy but don’t feel hungary and found first 3 days really hard and thought it will all be worth it. Wonder as I am not a diabetic or if anyone else expereinced this.

I have my diabetic review next week and anticipating a negative response. I tried to raise a low carb diet last year after reading about the Newcastle research. I was just signposted to the usual website UK Diabetes as she didn’t recommend a low carb approach .. I’m a nurse myself and was disappointed in such a closed mind. This time I will just inform them I am on the programme and invite them to monitor my progress and be involved if they wish . I have 2 friends who are mature onset diabetics who now have blood sugars in the normal range. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Hi Bill1954. Today is my last day of the 8 weeks and it has certainly worked for me. Fasting BG at start was 10.9, now usually in the 5s, with occasional 6 (yesterday it was 4.9!!!). Always struggled to get it under 7 previously so delighted with that 😃. Weight down 27 pounds so far, meaning I’ve lost about 12.5% of my starting body weight. BP down BMI down from 40.9 to 36.2. Down nearly 2 dress sizes. Began this journey on 19th December but managed to stick to it over Christmas and New Year. Was at a day conference, with lunch. Pre-booked the beef lunch but no dessert. Ate the beef, carrots and the few bits of leek I could find, hid the mashed potato under the Yorkshire pudding and avoided roast potatoes and parsnips when the veg dish came round. The waitress did think it strange I wasn’t having dessert! But they honestly didn’t look that great.

I feel better, have more energy, think more clearly, better concentration. Less joint pain. Even lost a cough I’d had for ages (found out it could be a reaction to the bread I was eating).

I’m 65, in a stressful full-time job, and I’m so glad I found this book when I did. I’d gone back to bad habits after a particularly stressful year and was being threatened with Metformin so knew I needed to do something.

My diabetes nurse is monitoring me monthly because of the speed of change. I gave her a copy of the book and she is very supportive. Her friend is doing 5:2 and she was familiar with the work of Dr Mosley and Prof Taylor, which helps.

Sorry for long reply. Any more questions, please ask. I’m glad to help if I can.

I think you are right to be cautious. I have a family history of high cholesterol and have not adjusted my statin dosage until the surgery confirm my blood test results (at least). Nonetheless I think it worth reviewing going forward and if I can get off the medications completely that has to be better, providing there are no side-effects.
I will be interested to see your report-back including the GP’s response.
Good luck

We now have a bread making machine languishing at the back of a cupboard after being a daily use for 6 years. I used to make full wholemeal, on nurses advice, until I actually tested!
I miss the smell in the morning, but the lower blood results are welcome.
Some ideas of recipes for a low carb bread would be welcome for after the 8 weeks. Something on the lines of Burgen, or Lidl high protein rolls. Loads of linseeds etc. but some flour replacement might be necessary.

Hi Bill
Could it be that you’re not eating enough? I don’t really understand the science but maybe it’s worth trying some full fat cottage cheese and doing what you did before. Doesn’t the liver release sugar? I remember reading that sometimes people need to eat later so their liver doesn’t dump sugar overnight.
Worth a try because last week your level were better.
Good luck

Hey captainlynne, so, as the first to post that you’re approaching the end of 8 weeks, how has it worked for you ? BS and weight both down ?
I really hope so.

I sympathise Meggy, I tried coconut flour pancakes and fairy cakes and they too went to feed the birds.

I’m having trouble getting my head round this. If anything I’ve been stricter with the diet this week but my sugar level this morning was 8.1. My total food yesterday was zero fat cottage cheese with celery for lunch and a small steak, of which I left half, with mushroom and onions for dinner.
It’s almost as if the diabetes is fighting back.
Well it had better be in it for the long haul coz I ain’t giving up !!!

Hello!
Just joined from NZ. I drink a lot of water so got a tap filter which improves the taste. Putting bubbles in with a Sodastream improves it more. But it can still be boring. Would love to know more about cooled herb teas that people have tried. Some are good with fizzy water. I like lemon grass and ginger, and lemon verbena makes a nice lemonade without the acidity of lemon (and went down well with the family.) Taking the trouble to serve it in a pretty glass helps too.

Liquorice tea seems to help with craving for sweetness but I’m told it can speed up the heart. Doesn’t for me. Haven’t tried it cold or fizzy. Might do that 🙂

Hi Kevpartner welcome

Carbs are complicated! There’s good & bad ( not so good ) ones. The daily amount or reference intakes as they are now known, are a mine field to decipher on lots of web sites. I can’t take many carbs as they spike my blood sugars. It took a long time & years before type 2 diagnosis for me to recognise this
Here goes.

Diabetes uk diabetes.org.uk daily CARBS
Women = 230g. Men = 300g. Varies according to age, weight & activity levels. Carb consumption = major factor in glucose control therefore portion size important

NHS Choices http://www.nhs.uk. Average size woman doing avg amount physical activity Reference daily intake
Energy – 8,400Kj/2,000 Kcal. Total Fat 70g. Saturates 20g. CARBOHYDRATES 260g. Total Sugars 90g. Protein 50g
Salt 6g

USA. Institute of medicine. iom.nationalacademies.org. Adults should get calories from – 45% – 65% from CARBS
20% – 35% from fat & 10% – 35% from protein. At least 130g of CARBS per day

UK NHS wants us to conform to the eatwell plate!

45% – 65% CARBS of 800 calories daily is between 90g – 130g of CARBS daily

The original SHAKES used in the Newcastle uni diet with Prof Roy Taylor were Optifast (an Australian based company , hard for us to get hold of same). Optifast.com.au. This is a breakdown of their SHAKES
VLCD = very low calorie diet. 3 shakes a day + up to 3 portions of non – starchy veg each day for fibre content to provide another 200 calories. Original 800 calorie diet
SHAKES = Energy Kj 870. Energy cal 207. Protein 17.5g. Fat 4.5g. CARBOHYDRATES 22.5g. Sugar 17.8g. Dietary fibre 3.6g. Gluten NO. Lactose YES. GI 24 – 33
Three Shakes a day at 22.5g is 67.5g CARBS daily + CARBS in the Veg. This was a controlled experiment with 800 calories under strict medical supervision Google ncl type 2 diabetes. Print out what you need

50 – 70g of CARBS daily is low enough to produce Ketones. Ketosis burns fat! Be very careful of this especially if you are Type 1 diabetic on insulin. We want to burn the fat off BUT safely!

Lots of info for you to check out yourself & make suitable decisions on. Read Going Low Carb BSD book by
Dr Mosley p 80. Check the GI value & CARBS in your food & try & stick with the Mediterranean diet. It’s only 8 weeks of your life, but it could save it
Best of luck. We’re here to help
Eureka

I would really like more info on this too. Some sites suggest aiming for 15g carbs per meal, max of 50g/day for type 2 on a low carb diet. I’ve found I really need to be vigilant and use a diary app to monitor my carb intake, otherwise I can eat low cal foods but still have a high carb intake. By keeping my carbs to 45-50g a day I can maintain a fasting blood sugar under 5.5, and under 7 after meals. This works for me. I think you have to see what works for you by doing a few days of blood sugar monitoring at different times of the day, and keep track of what carbs you ate so you can see your body’s response to them. Good luck kevpartner with your healthy eating, wishing you success

Hi Chloee
Michael says weighing often is better, people do better if they do. I weigh every day and measure my waist every day. If I’m not down it motivates me to try harder, if I am down it motivates me and cheers me up. I used to hate waiting all week then being disappointed. Much better to be disappointed sooner and sort it out sooner!
Penny

Although I didn’t mind omitting the Glicazide, I would be more cautious about the BP meds until I have the OK from my GP. There is a history of diabetes and linked cardiac events in my family, so better safe than sorry in my case. I’ll check it out tomorrow and report back to the forum. Magiek

Hi Niffer
Keep going, it will get better.
Penny

Hi Paula
Those meats won’t spike your BG so you ll be alright!
Penny

Day 8 update, fasting bs 7.2. I am honestly amazed.

Today was the first day I haven’t been starving by lunch 🙂 so much that I didn’t actually WANT lunch! Had skinny bolog for tea and wasn’t even tempted to dessert. Did have a glass of red wine 🙂

My chocolate is in the fridge ; )

Thanks for the tip on the cauliflower and I’ll let you know how the muffins go

I have been on the diet for 10 days and already feeling the benefits, lost 8lbs in weight, 1.5 inches from my waist, sleeping better, much less moody, more energy… – until I made a mistake today! I was at a conference and forgot to ask for a salad for lunch (they only offered saandwiches) and had to rush to M&S for something. Quickly picked up a harissa chicken with cous cous (harissa chicken is in the book right)? I glanced at the ingredients, saw 5.2g sugars and thought ‘not too bad’ rushed back, wolfed it down and carried on with my day. Tonight I feel super bloated, irritable, shattered and generally yuk so thought I’d better take a closer look at the ingredients of my lunch on my fitness pal – there’s over 32g carbs (5g sugars)! Is this why I feel so rubbish, does this mean I can never eat carbs again!? Scary!

I know that walnuts are really good in the diet but what of other sorts of nuts?

Almonds I know are good, pistachios are also supposedly in the frame too but what of these:
Cashews
Brazil Nuts (lots of Selenium v. good) lots of calories
Macadamia nuts even more calories
Hazel/cobb nuts
Pecans?

Nuts make good snack food but with some at over 700 kcal per 100 grams you could easily blow an 800 per day limit even on a small handful.

I would think if your pasta was too soft cook it less the first time _ instead of 4 say 3 min

The reason I understood from the tv program was that it changes the carb from a simple on which is harder to convert and becomes additional fiber!! but you can google the episode of Trust me I’m a doctor and watch !!

This diet is absolutely worth doing. I started on 26 January, my blood sugar reading has gone from 19.1 to 5.4, I’ve lost 11lbs. I’m going to see my GP in the morning to see if I can reduce my Metformin (on 1500mg pd).

Superred it is not a good idea to stop your medication without talking to your doctor, especially if you are on insulin. You have to be on the diet for a while until your readings start to change.

I hope your doc will be pleased with your results and help you sort out your meds.

I have reduced my glicazide first as I was getting very low by end of the working day. I think my blood pressure is coming down too so may play with that next. Interesting that you found your sugar came down when you stopped taking some of your
meds

Have tried a couple of recipes that have turned out to be food for the birds… Anybody made something nice to enjoy with a cup of tea..

I bought coconut and almond flour.. Have tried to make the pumkin seed muffins from the book… Obviously did something wrong. The mixture was really dry and ended up going to birds …… Any suggestions would be appreciated…..maybe try the brownie mix next ….

Hi Magiek

I was interested to read your posting as I too have been concerned about the response of the practice nurse and GP at my surgery, who are not in favour of the VLCD.

I am in the 3rd week of the diet and for the first time today my fasting blood sugar has dropped 1 unit below any of the preceding results. Hoping this is the turning point. I have also reduced my hypertension medication steadily and finally gave it up the day before yesterday. Then the next blood sugar reading I take has dropped by the 1 unit to 4.6. I’m wondering if there is a connection?

So I follow your thinking that it would be good to have a thread that tracks peoples experience of the EFFECT OF OTHER MEDICATION on their blood sugar level.

Stay tuned….

Thanks Penny I have to say I am quite enjoying it so far! Felt a bit too hungry tonight after the steamed fish and went swimming which burnt it off. Have had to have a few almonds and a square of dark choc. Get me, pushing the boat out! Lol

Ddraig I did the cauli rice in the oven for a bout 12 mins. Much nicer that on a previous diet when I did it in the microwave.
Please let me know how the muffins go as I am tempted with them.

Had the mushrooms and goats cheese this morning and could have eaten tons of them very tasty!

Soooo tempted to stand on the scales tonight but resisted until Monday. Hope I am not disappointed

I found coconut flour at Waitress – expensive but a fairly big bag

I’m not diabetic or pre, but doing 800cal BSD as there are three diabetics in family. You say keep off the white stuff (bread, pasta, cereals or rice), does that mean there are some breads, rice I can eat? I have only been on diet four days and kept off all these foods, lost 5lb so far. Also is sweet potatoe ok, In the book I think it says can be eaten but Not sure I should.

My husband makes his own bread and I am trying to work out if he can make a low GI bread that I could occasionaly have, maybe on a Saturday. He loves making bread and I actually feel guilty stopping him from his much loved hobby.
Does anyone have any suggestions?

Sounds idyllic, where you live. I bet your dogs love their walks. I have an underactive thyroid too, taking 75 mcg a day but I think having it makes it harder to lose weight. Its one of my big questions whether I can lose weight as quickly as the others here. I’m glad you’re enjoying a glass of red and music is great therapy. I’m less worried about you now! I can’t drink red wine myself, it all tastes like vinegar to me but I see that as a blessing really. Coffee is a different story but I love a sweet latte and there just isn’t room for the calories. I do intend to have one once a week though, which I hope will be a carrot to keep me going. I must look for these TED talks, I’ve heard there are all sorts of interesting topics covered.

So my husband is rolling his eyes at the thought of me starting yet another crazy diet and thinks I fall for anything. Absolutely hope I can prove him wrong with this one!

Have a lovely evening!

Hi Superred
There’s a really encouraging TED talk by Dr Sarah Hallberg.
She is a specialist in obesity and diabetes and she talks about the diet she gives her patients. She calls it ‘no GPS’ which is grains, potatoes, sugar. This is from diet doctor.com Maybe you need to come off the insulin more slowly??

‘Avoiding the carbohydrates that raise your blood sugar decreases your need for medication to lower it. Taking the same dose of insulin as you did prior to adopting a low-carb diet might result in hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). You need to test your blood sugar frequently when starting this diet and adapt (lower) your medication. This should ideally be done with the assistance of a knowledgeable physician.’
Hope it helps
Penny

Have you tried Lidl “high protein” (ie low carb) rolls. Triangular , dark brown, stuffed full of linseeds, coated in sunflower seeds. Had some quite good BG results eating these before I started BSD diet. Might return to them later (and test again).

Hi Ddraig
This is day 11.
I’m a great one for researching and finding stuff out and then telling people- sometimes too much!
I’m keeping s notebook with what I eat as well as MFP and how I am etc.
Unfortunately for us my sister and I have lost a very small amount of weight despite being meticulous. Must be a family thing. Our waists have come down a bit which is nice. How can we have eaten 4000 cals less in 10 days and only lost a couple of pounds in my case, nothing in my sisters case? Weird. Any explanations welcome. And that’s with me doing 1000 s of steps every day! And drinking a lot.
But we are feeling a lot better, much less sluggish in the morning and sleeping better. So we really keeping on, keeping the faith, and keeping our fingers crossed! Anyway it’s actually enjoyable to do the diet and feel in control.
Penny

End of day four, still feeling sick and suffering headaches although not as rough as I felt at end of day two. Feel it is worth pushing through especially after reading some of your posts.

Ha ha quinoa… I’m sure I read somewhere sometime about roasting it. It doesn’t do anything for me but it’s high in protein(?) so if you can eat mushrooms I’m sure I can rise to the challenge. Over these 8 weeks I shall be eating many things I’ve never heard of before. I keep looking at what I got today – including miso and tahini. Things like soy sauce I haven’t had for years because I always thought I might have IBS or Candida but guess what? Since starting the BSD I have not had any symptoms of that sort of thing. Liberating.

I’m not low really, but definitely feel different to usual. I tend to be a little low and inward normally. I’m having a small glass of red wine and listening to loud music, they help. I’m thinking of taking up yoga again as there’s no way I could do anything strenuous unless something miraculous happens. These forums are invaluable for the support and information and thank you for taking an interest. Like you I need to lose two stone and 3″ off waist at least. At least should be in italics!

I’m following the meal plans in the book almost exactly but unsure about only two meals at weekends. You can have coffee you know – max one a day I think he says. I had a black coffee in the week which sorted out a headache. There’s an awful lot of withdrawal going on!

I’m not checking my blood readings as I’m not pre-diabetic or diabetic according to a recent check. I have high cholesterol and thyroid problems though, and a BMI of nearly 30, weighing in at 13st 10lbs. They may not seem too worrying for some however I know I do have a lot of visceral fat and the old liver and pancreas would play up soon. I would like to lose 3 or 4 stone, to be back where I was before I had thyroid disease. I haven’t noticed any change in clothes because I live in baggy jumpers and leggings most of the time but that has got to change. When I’m out walking add on waterproofs and fleeces so it’s hard to know what might be going on!

I’m so glad you can now start as it’s exciting taking control and joining this amazing diet plan, really, as you were so ready for it. Have you watched any of the TED talks on YouTube about reversing diabetes? Very encouraging if ever you flag a little. Yes, I am in a little town that’s in the middle of nowhere really. I can see snow on mountains in one direction and pastoral plains in others! But within a 20 mile radius there are several towns too.

Happy Eating (of the right things that is)

Of course, it is the law 😉

Hi Hubby, that’s an interesting side effect! Just keep doing what you are doing and more will come. Best wishes to both of you.

A small price to pay – I think I can stay with Rye Bread and avoid spuds altogether ( except for the mandatory friday fish and chips : -b )

Good for you BizzibeeI was very shocked as well. So irresponsible.
Penny

Well done Paula, I would definitely have had to step away from the fridge. Made me giggle! Keep up the good work!

I always weigh myself every day. It’s taught me that sometimes my weight goes up or down a pound or two unexpectedly (fluid loss/retention/loo etc) and that it’s quite natural and nothing to worry about.
If you only weigh yourself once a week, then that weigh-in assumes undue importance, and can cause both undue optimism or despair.