You might have the will power to do so but why would you unless you are lactose intolerant for real. I reckon that you would have to consume more of olive oil and other fat to keep the fats and oils intake at high enough levels.

With a normal BMI which diet plan are you following, Fast800, 8WBSD 5:2 or are you just changing your style to being more Mediterranean I wonder. Shift work can play havoc with lifestyle and I did it for many years. Good luck anyway..

Salt helps retain water, water is heavy, soup is mainly water, weigh again when you think you have “used” your day’s liquids. Did you also drink tea, coffee, juices etc they can really add up and give you a shock – it has happened to me. Can rice be slim absorbing as much water as it does will add weight?

I can sympathise completely 4stonetolose.

I am just starting my 6th week. I weighed myself last Thursday and to my delight I had lost another 3lb this week – making a total of 17lbs. I then weighed Saturday and the 3lb was back on!? So disappointing. I am keeping track of everything I eat; rigidly sticking to 800 cals, and 25-30g carbs/day. I don’t understand how it works so well for some, but not so well for others.

Yesterday I was seriously considering giving up. The weight just isn’t coming off quickly enough to motivate me. I was so fed up that last night, I ended up drinking a bottle of red wine, eating some bread and biscuits! I suppose I do feel a little guilty this morning, and have no intention of stepping on the scales!

If I don’t sort myself out and get back into this diet, I fear I will completely undo all the hard work I’ve already done, and quickly regain the stone I’ve lost. But my head does not feel in the right place about it anymore. I’m disappointed with the diet and have lost faith in it.

Hi Tallyhoo,
A suggestion – have a look into the ingredients of the slim rice and see if it’s something that may cause water retention (before it makes its way through your digestive system).
Best wishes.

Hi 4stonetolose,
We’ve all been there.
It sounds like you’ve had a tough week. Be kind to yourself.
If BSD800 is too much for you at present there is always the options of 5:2BSD or low carb med style with no calorie counting.
My guess is that you’ll be determined to get back into the BSD800 to complete your 8 weeks.
Have you been incorporating any exercise or mindfulness meditation?
I’m a huge fan of both now. I walk daily (weather permitting) and do mindfulness meditation…….have a bit of an exploration and if you haven’t tried them, find something that suits you. They are just so beneficial especially when life throws you a curve ball.
If you find you’re not bouncing back your GP would be a good person to discuss this with.

Welcome! You’ll get so much great advice on these forums.

I’m just finishing week 7. I’ve lost more slowly than I’d hoped, just under a stone so far, although I really have stuck to it, mainly using the food plan in the book, but hey ho, some people’s bodies are slower than others.

I had something very stressful this week though and took 3 days off. Shouldn’t have been a problem if I’d been sensible, but I was straight on to the sugar eg I ate a whole packet of the chocolate covered German biscuits yesterday. I felt really unwell last night, I feel guilty and I’m dreading standing on the scales today. I was an idiot!

I know I should just forget it and get back to plan today, but somehow I feel a bit down. I’m desperate for this diet to work, it makes such sense. I just wish I was better at it.

Sorry for the winge!

Sorry, meant to add that BG readings in the 6-7 range would be wonderful news for many diabetics Tofa, so don’t be too discouraged. Apart from expensive scans, weighing machines which give visceral fat amounts are in a lot of public sports centres or you can buy a more modest version for £30ish. On mine it gives a healthy range of such fat as 1 – 12 and unhealthy as 13 – 69. A month ago my reading was 20 and after 4 weeks of average of 12.5g per day of inulin had dropped to 19. Now on 25g per day with daily target of 30 from next week so hope reduction will now be quicker, but apparently have to allow 6 months for dispersal. We will see.

Friday day 104 weight 9st 12lbs
Blood sugar 10.3

Saturday Day 105 end of week 15 weight 9st 12!bs
Blood sugar 6.9 (under 7 for the first time) 😀😀😀

Today Day 106 weight 9st 12lbs
Blood sugar 6.4. WOW 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

My blood sugar is finally getting markedly better. Hopefully the is the start of the home straight! 😇

I was delighted yesterday morning as I had officially lost 3 1/2 stone YAAY! So my official weigh in day is Monday morning of course, which means I knew I had to be very careful yesterday and today to maintain that result (or lose a bit more possibly) before weight in tomorrow. I weigh myself every day because I know there are fluctuations and I like to see these during the week so I have no big surprises on a Monday – my kind of logic!

I had my usual breakfast of raspberries and full fat yoghurt, for lunch I had a bowl of minestrone soup (no pasta obviously) as a recipe on the forum which I have had many many times before, with a sprinkling of mozarella and for dinner home made vegetable chilli with new (for me) slim rice (7 carbs in it only). Total 700 calories……….. drank 2 litres of water and spent the day on my feet walking everywhere

Can somebody please explain WHY and HOW I can possibly be 3 lbs heavier on the scale………..I know it isn’t fat but I also know it’ll take me days – probs a week to see a difference on the scale…………Really annoyed

I have signed. If people keep with “the same old” then they will get “that same old”. A lot of people are so resistant to change.

Thank you for the link Skywalker. I found it very encouraging that healthcare practitioners will be better informed. An elderly parent has just developed Type 2 and the advice she was given hasn’t been anywhere near MM’s book guidelines. If she’d been given the advice in this leaflet I would have been happy.

Has anyone read about ‘Banting’ or Real Meal revolution? I listened to a really interesting lecture by Prof Tim Noakes on how industry engineered the low fat, high carb diet messgae in the 60s/70s. I can’t link it here are it was in a subscription based site. Google videos by prof Tim Noakes.
https://vimeo.com/136374130

He had to face a hearing in South Africa for his advice. Big companies (Pharma & food) really don’t like to have contradictory ideas voiced.

Fourth day numbers: weight 12st 2lb (stayed the same) 502.5 calories plus the unmeasured food that I had at my sister-in-law’s 11 water 1 peppermint tea 4 coffees and 2 glasses of wine. Exercise, I walked 3.52 miles. It will be interesting what the scales read in the morning.

I have survived the evening out including 2 gasses of wine. This morning I weigh the same 12st 2lb and that proves that I can go out and eat well and not pigout

Congratulations Jean. Here’s to the next 10kg

PeterPerkin, wishing you a very happy birthday to a healthy new you. I raise a glass of water to you, cheers.

So well done Scotgran 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 must feel great 🤗

Hi Lonnie24…I haven’t had any hair loss or leg cramps as such but early on my period came a week early ( back to normal so far ) and definitely feel much colder ( unheard of for me previously as I have high BP!) such an unusual feeling as I was always complaining of being hot 😂

Dear Peter,
Many happy returns of the day….don’t have too much birthday cake
/ champagne !!!

I, too, have just finished 10 weeks, but not the dramatic loss you have achieved, but I am quite happy. Like you, I am wondering if I can sustain the loss but feel that I have more knowledge and willpower this time round.
Drink to that [ for both of us, and all the others ] .
jillyB

Hi Peter Perkin,
Great results – well done. Happy Birthday.

I am quietly optimistic that I have seen the end of my symptoms but realise I may be just having a Menopausal Holiday. Anyway I feel great and can sleep again at night . Heading into week 3 of the diet plan which I followed almost to the letter, energy great, minimal hunger, slow weight loss(I was in the normal range for BMI when I started)…coping well with the rigours of shift work.

Just crossed the eight week line
Bought the book, read it from cover to cover the same day and started the diet the next day. I could just fit the eight weeks in before my 66th birthday (today)
Total weight loss = 28 lbs / nearly 13kg
Didn’t use any of the recipes but ate things that I like, limiting to 800 cal and 50gr carbs as best I could.
Did cut out bread, pasta, potatoes and white rice.
Found that I was quite often hungry but just put a positive spin on that.
Walked a lot and did light exercises – also doTai Chi, which I believe is very good for the body and mind.
Weight loss was dramatic at start but with plateau in week four with no weight loss at all.
That can be a bit discouraging but thankfully a lot of positive comment on this forum raises the spirits.
I set out with the goal of losing about 10kg so I have exceeded my expectation and am very happy. The challenge is now to keep the weight off. I will probably try 5-2 and monitor the situation.
The diet not only teaches you about food but teaches you a lot about yourself. I now have the confidence that I can manage my weight.
I am due for annual checkup later this month and keen to see if there is any difference in blood test results.
To anyone thinking of doing this diet, I thoroughly recommend it. Follow the guidelines as best you can, don’t beat yourself up if stray or have a bad day. You will succeed.
Thanks Dr MM and thanks again to all of the positive comments and support on this forum.
PP

On the BSD can you experience hair loss, leg cramps, halted periods and feelings of coldness?

Thank you all for your input. Janet, I think of it as both I guess. 800 calories a day and no bread, pasta or rice is not I feel sustainable. With diabetes I had already cut out most potatoes, eating low gi ones and I had mostly cut out white bread, replacing it with multigrain or other low gi versions. I am still finding it very hard, particularly at lunch when I have spent most of my life, 40+ years! having sandwiches.

I believed a large part of the fast 800 was to clear the fat out of our internal organs, particularly the pancreas?

I am curious about how full on carbs will affect us and whether despite being back at normal blood sugars they will still create a diabetic spike?

Can I do this diet dairy free?

I’m going to be honest, if not PC here, because it might help someone else. I have had hunger for all of the thirteen weeks I have been on BSD, but not all the time, maybe every four or five days when it really has been tough. The rest of the time I am fine, but hunger has never really just disappeared completely and I was very careful with carbs. That said, on the days where I was just starving, I ate a bit more of fat and protein and that was immensely helpful. I especially ate chicken or beef and cheese when I needed more calories. I am 13 weeks in and 9 full inches off my waist — I am down to a U.S. Size 10 — so it has truly worked. A fantastic outcome for me BUT it isn’t fair to say that no one will get hungry. I think it is important to say you MIGHT get hungry, so here’s a good way to deal with it. It is still a low calorie diet — listen to your body — catching hunger early and feeding it a bit of good food can keep you from falling off the wagon later.

Hi Butterfly…You are probably correct. Yesterday, I thought – oh, to heck with it and I had a bit of cheese and instead of having my brussel sprouts with nothing, I added a bit of butter, some home made bacon bits and a sprinkling of parmesan cheese, and felt happier. I have been rather crabby lately. I even had a few handsful of popcorn last night and this morning, I show as having lost weight! Ha! Maybe I was overdoing it. Will NOT give up! Yay!

BTW, love reading others’ happy and rewarding stories. I find them inspiring, so thanks to everyone!

Hi everyone. Just finished my eight weeks and so happy with the results. 9.15 kg lost and 13 cm off waist. Found I was never hungry. Also, incoporated some intermittent fasting in the last 2 weeks as I seemed to hit a bit of a plateau on week 6. Still have another 10 kg to lose so will carry on with the 800 cal and intermittent fasting. Going for blood tests tomorrow. Have not been diagnosed with Diabetes 2, but triglycerides and LDL were on the rise last time. Best diet ever.

I was diagnosed as T2 two years ago and immediately went low carb so no bread, spuds, pasta, rice, etc for me since then. I still want to get my a1c down – 6.0 after my eight week stint, and still have weight to lose, which is why I’m looking into the feasibility of alternating weeks.

Thanks for your response.

Hello again Siar, glad ypu’re over the EBV crisis. If you have reached your target weight you will be able to increase your food intake. If you have little body fat you may still have fatty deposits around your vital organs. You should ensure that you are eating enough good oils and fats and few starchy carbs and plenty of protein. We need a good balance of the main food categories to stay healthy and weight stable. I think you need to do this under supervision of a medic from what you have posted so far. Stay well, Happy Eating…

Hello again Siar, glad you’re over the EBV crisis. If you have reached your target weight you will be able to increase your food intake. If you have little body fat you may still have fatty deposits around your vital organs. You should ensure that you are eating enough good oils and fats and few starchy carbs and plenty of protein. We need a good balance of the main food categories to stay healthy and weight stable. I think you need to do this under supervision of a medic from what you have posted so far. Most folk buy a blood sugar monitor from their local pharmacy or online but beware some of the auction site devices are poor quality (I sent one back for refund myself). Stay well, Happy Eating…

Hello, if you have completed the 8 weeks you likely will have changed your eating habits and cut out many white/processed/starchy foods. If this is the case you will be able to reintroduce certain foods to prevent your weight loss continuing. Once stable you will have “Won”. I am nearing end of week 17 now. I do not count sugars or cals now and have changed what, when and how I eat. It seems to be working but I do miss many things. In the early days I included some slices of bread occasionally but it was not worth it in nutritional terms. I have been able to eat nuts again but apparently the raisins are not so good that I like to have with them. I intended to do 5:2 but I am not doing it formally at present. If my weight starts to increase I now have the knowledge to know easily what has caused it and more importantly, how to deal with it. I suppose it depends on whether you are at your target weight and what your eating habits were prior to 8WBSD.

If you choose to eat real food within the limits of 800 cal and 30 gm of carbs/day you will soon learn how much of each you can eat when you study the nutritional data of the foods to keep you within the limits. The idea is to reduce sugar and carbs while increasing protein and fats to compensate. Fasting is a key part and 14 hours or more is suggested. The % or weights of the various macro-nutrients (Fat, Protein carbs) are not specified by Dr Mosley as following his rules it is not critical. Mediterranean foods are low in starchy content and have low carb values. If you ate a diet without bread, rice, creeals pasta and branded “low-fat” foods you would succeed like the majority on here. Good Luck…

Hmmm, 24 hours off the proverbial wagon, must knuckle down again. We’ve been on holiday in Norfolk and it’s been a challenge to eat out when just about everything comes with chips. And yesterday was my other half’s birthday so Guinness was drunk. And to be honest, cake was involved. Smacked legs for Janey. Anyway, I’ll be back on the straight and narrow again very shortly! Those size 14 M&S jeans are waiting for me!

Lucia you make me smile. Thank you

Drinks – pretty much anything without sugar – I worked out how much milk I use in tea thru the day on average and just add that amount into myfitnesspal log everyday.
Try and get thru lots of water – I find I drink more if I have it with no-sugar squash occasionally – you can get those little squirty bottles that are brilliant to carry around.
As to the extra calories, if you are both really active, maybe try the 800 to start with and see how you get on. Adjust it up a little if it isn’t enough – but I think a lot of people on the forums have been surprised at the lack of hunger they’ve experienced, especially once they’ve done a few days. It’s probably best to be prepared with BSD friendly snacks handy, rather than be hungry and gorge on something completely outside BSD.

Easily portable shacks – nuts, measured portions of cheese, I like carrot and hummus, an apple, greek yoghurt if you have access to a fridge – and as you say, soup can be filling. I’d suggest that you make your own you, easier to keep to low calorie and low carb options.
But do look at portion sizes, especially with cheese and nuts! maybe look at buying tiny tupperware-type boxes so that you can carry a small portion, rather than a full bag & be tempted to eat too many.

Hi Lucia
I’d planned to try the lasagne idea this evening – but went into Waitrose for mince and they had a really nice chicken thing with bacon & parmesan – AND CROUTONS – there were only about 4, but they were delicious. Still only 28g of carbs for the day, so don’t feel to guilty about eating rather than chucking them.
Enjoy your new dress – hope the sun comes out again!

To scottgran,
Yo skinny, what tips can you give a big girl like me?

Proud of you.🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🎖🎖🎖🎖🎖🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Love Lucia
Xxxx

wow, that’s brilliant Scotgran, congratulations – especially to keep to it thru a stressful move
definitely deserves capitals!!

Hi I am going on the 800 diet to support my husband , although I do need to lose some weight my blood sugar and pressure are normal , Andy however has high blood pressure and type 2 diabetes. I do cook healthy meals but he snacks out on to many crisps and drinks beer . We both work in the construction trade which is quite physical. My one concern is will he get hungry with so little food and working so hard , do we have to stick religiously to the meal plan or can I make more soup etc so he feels fuller but still sticking to the 800 a day . Also what drinks can we have through the day , help would be much appreciated

I haven’t posted for a few weeks. We’ve been moving house, quite stressful, then no internet for a while. However, here I am 4 months down the line. And looking forward to next weeks holiday . AND I AM A SIZE 14 WHEN I STARTED IN FEB I WAS A SIZE 20.

Do anyone know what the correct amount of protein, vegetables, fibre, fat, ect. You should consume in a day if you do not wish to follow the 4 Weekes diet plan? I have read the book but could not find an answer to it.

Well done all of you, I’m so impressed! Mix wish that I access to some scales….but there don’t seem to be any on this small island! You can tell too!! So tonight I’m eating out….I’m having a smal Greek salad, with feta, and a whole 230gr sea bream…and a glass of red wine. I had 92cals for brunch…so I could enjoy tonight.

Well the past few days have been horrendous. I’ve had my first monthly since having my 22 month old and 7.5 month old and I haven’t been able to control myself with the biscuits.

I’ve booked in for a PT session tomorrow as I don’t overeat or eat badly when I do because I don’t like to waste the money and more importantly effort I make to exercise. So tomorrow is a new start and new day and I am not falling off.

If any other ladies could give me some helpful tips for dealing with monthly cravings I would be grateful. It’s been over 3 years since I’ve had to deal with PMS so it’s like starting all over again!

Hello – I finished my first 8 weeks on Monday and am thinking of now alternating an 800 week, followed by a 5:2 week and so on. Has anyone tried this and does anyone have any suggestions for or against this plan?

Thanks in advance.

Hi, Been through few ups and down with EBV . I am back to good vital signs and now I lost 8kgs in 3 weeks now at 70kg . I am not sure when to stop and I am not sure if my Body has enough fat for body to use up ( though I see I could reduce more in my front abdomen) while I am continuing on my 800 cal/day. I feel much better & sleeps well. I didnt crave till now however in the last two days , while I am still loosing wait, i feel I need more energy .. does it mean my body dont have enough fat and all fat has been used up by body in the last few weeks ? Also which is the test I can do to confirm my blood sugar is normal for good …MRI on liver , pancreas ? Insulin resistance test ? Ultrasound etc ? Any inputs be appreciated….

Yes you need more fats and protein until you click back in to using them more efficiently. Have you read the recent report from the National Obesity Forum that caused so much aggro recently, it is a great read and – it is here;

https://phcuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Healthy-Eating-Guidelines-Weight-Loss-Advice-For-The-United-Kingdom-Public-Health-Collaboration.pdf

BSD is 30 gm/day ideally. The recent furore about eating fat to get thin is similar to what we are doing. The National Obesity Forum .co.uk home page discusses the new guidance around now since this controversial healthy eating guide – see link – you may have to copy and paste;

https://phcuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Healthy-Eating-Guidelines-Weight-Loss-Advice-For-The-United-Kingdom-Public-Health-Collaboration.pdf

So once you reach your target weight and you have had the right amount of fats and protein you can allegedly start to reintroduce some carbs and monitor your self up to a max of 130 gm/day low starch/low GI food.

Thank you all for your comments and good wishes.
I forgot another part of my success was walking, I use a fit bit and aim for 10,000 steps each day .
I usually manage 10000 once or twice a week but most days it is about 7500 steps.
Going on holiday soon I am looking forward to the Mediterranean diet as this is the direction I am going to follow when on the 5:2