Hello Janet

Thank you for checking up on me – on March 10th, last Thursday informed that supposed sebaceous cyst I had removed a few weeks previously from my right thigh has been diagnosed as a rare sarcoma, a Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans (DFSP) and if you think that of all cancers 1% are sarcomas (soft tissue tumours) of them DFSP are less than 1%. Consequently dieting, bowls, wooing etc has been far from my mind. I think some of the things I was dealing with that I thought were to do with the 800 diet are in fact systemic symptoms because now I know I am ill. I will be seeing a consultant for more surgery and treatment next week. I will come back here! But I guess you and a lot of the other inspirational and supportive people I met here will have moved on too. I wish you all enourmous success and better quality of life because of the life changes you are making. ♥

Like you I’m in week 4 – 2 more days to go. And like you, weight loss has been a tad slow after the initial week. However, I started keeping an eye on carbs at the beginning of this week and so far, have dropped 2lb, which is an improvement on weeks 2 and 3. The general consensus seems to be to try and keep carbs below 50g per day. I have actually been hitting considerably lower than that, but as much because the foods I have been choosing have accidentally been low carb, rather than actively seeking out those with particularly low-carb content. I haven’t worried too much about the ratio carbs to fats to protein. Have just been ensuring I have full fat everything to help me feel full for longer and kick into fat burn mode and to eat plenty of high protein foods.

There does seem to be an anomaly reported on various threads, which seems to suggest that for many, between weeks 2 and 4 are a bit of a plateau, when weight loss is low to zero and that if you just keep to your 800cals a day, the weight will eventually start to drop again.

It certainly sounds like you are sticking to the 800 cals, so you could just continue as you are and the weight should begin to drop again soon. On the other hand, it can’t hurt just to check that there is nothing you are eating, that has a surprisingly high carb count.

Not sure any of this helps much, but this is how I have tackled a similar situation.

Hi cat girl, oh yes, you watch bear to find out to survive?
I watch him because he is a dish 😚
Is he still eating weird things?. I think an article recently in the daily mail said his wife made him take a dog worming tablet !!
Love Lucia xxx

Woohoo woohoo danced around the kitchen so so pleased for you and your family best news ever bill I don’t drink normally but will have a g and t and drink to you all and your daughters recovery x 😅

Wow the big hitters are out in force today
Well done to each and every one of you. the statistics are starting to pile up now, they can go on about controlled trials etc but I think everyone on here now knows how well this works and we don’t need it to be rubber stamped by anyone.
I’m telling anyone who’s willing to listen about this, if the word doesn’t get out big style, it won’t be from lack of trying.

Bill,
Thanks.
Bet you have to be nagged to fix your own cistern when it malfunctions – I know mine has to bat on at me to tune our own piano.
Cobblers kids’ shoes and all that 😉

I’m 3 days into the diet and have lost 3 pounds so far and finding it all very easy to do so far.

One thing though is I am really feeling the cold. It started last night, I had to get up to wrap myself up in a fluffy dressing gown and blanket, turn the heating on and go back to bed all wrapped up. Anyone else experienced that?

Another point is I’m not sleeping, I wake at 2 or 3am and can’t get back to sleep for about 4 hours.

Please can anyone tell me what the target ration is of Carbohydrate/Fat/Protein? There seems to be such a range of advice from different sources and I would like to check that I am getting it or less correct.
I am on week 4 and lost very little for the last three weeks – I fear that although I am under 800 calories average over each week I may have the proportions wrong. (My Fitness Pal offers an upgrade that lets you specify your targets in terms of % or grams and I want to use that to keep check.) Many thanks to anyone out there who has an opinion!

Thanks guys, I’ll be raising a glass to you all tonight, can’t wait to give the bairn a big hug
I’ll be the one needing diet support by the time this weekend is over 😉
stringbreaker, my stepson and myself have a bathrrom and heating business, 12000 sq ft showroom in Newcastle and a couple of websites too.
It keeps us fed 😉

Hi Boog23. Greetings from this side of the pond.

Just think, you could be one of those starting this revolution in the good old US of A when folk see your progress.

I’ll be interested to see how our American cousins do on this – I’ve spent some time there and can think of some challenges, but also some positives.

My friend in Texas asked me to send her the book and she was really keen. But last time we spoke, she said she’d tried it, but didn’t get her carbs low enough and can’t give up her diet yogurts! Mind you, she used to eat two frozen diet meals at a time because one wasn’t enough. Even worrying about her husband’s health can’t influence her to change.

I’ve visited towns where it was almost impossible to buy healthy, fresh food and everything at the diner was deep fried.

But I’ve also visited Whole Foods Market and grocery stores with shelves full of lovely fresh vegetables and fruit as well as all the meat, fish, poultry and cheese. The choice and quality never ceases to amaze me.

Many of the motels I’ve stayed at offer breakfast, but it’s almost always carbs or carbs with the occasional egg. And the portion sizes if I eat out are huge.

So I wish you and all my American brothers and sisters well, and look forward to hearing your progress.

Remember – the revolution could start with you 😃

Bill I want to add my voice to the many that are telling you how relieved we are that the scare over your daughter’s health was unfounded. Your relief and joy must know no limits. Just shows the power of prayer because I think there were lots of us out here doing just that! Celebrate well and get back on the BSD tomorrow – you deserve it. Your support is invaluable to us all… So thank you.
Kindest regards
Jan

Janet1973. You will be back to your 20s weight in no time at that rate of loss 🙂

Lesley91 fabulous weight loss! 🙂

Bill,
What wonderful news.
*** the diet – hit the SC – No harm you can do in one day that you can’t undo with 2 good days.
There’s a lot of happy folk tonight.
BTW, “showroom”? Would it be rude to ask what sort? (Not sure on the etiquette of personal questions on forums)

Great Bre123. Enjoy your holiday. Hope it’s somewhere with good weather!

For anyone interested in such things, I’ve checked my bloods before and after eating this flatbread because I’ve never used coconut flour before. I could only manage half the flatbread, with 25g Brie and the results were: *drumroll*

Before eating 4.5
1 hour afterwards 4.4
2 hours afterwards 4.0

So I think that’s a keeper 😃

As a point of interest, I don’t think I’ve seen a reading of 4.0 before 😃

End of week 5, so far lost 2 stone 1 lb. 😀

Bill: I am so pleased to hear your news! Enjoy the Southern Comfort, you’ve earned it!

Good thinking Bill. Remind me how you did that, seem to remember strawberries and cream were involved?

*nods* which is why I keep my mouth shut Judith. x

Hashimoto! Nice to know that you think the same way and have found your food bill declining! Thanks for the support!

Lynne re your son it makes more sense in light of extra stresses x

Great news Bill !!!

Same as Gooismeid, I have lost 5 kilos in five weeks which I am absolutely thrilled with. Will have to work it out as a percentage though, which will be interesting. I see this as a way of life now not a diet and I don’t miss carbs at all. I am more preoccupied with all the full fat things I can now have and are much nicer. Another half stone to go to be within my bmi (and not just on the edge of it) and then another half stone to be back where I was in my twenties! Oh goodness, that was SUCH a long time ago!

Fabulous news Bill 🙂 XX

Thanks Lynne, everyone’s help and encouragement has kept me going and it’s so helpful to hear everyone’s stories. I’ll let you all know where I’m at on the 4 April on my return.

Thanks Bill and well done to you as well – it’s a great feeling when you reach that 8 week point.

Thanks hashimoto, I will keep you all posted; this forum has been so good at helping me on those tough days. Well done to everyone.

Bill and lynne I think we should all be quoting MLK ‘I have a dream…’
What a good idea re the book, Bill, I bet Doc mosley would let him have them at near cost for that purpose! You should contact MM’s team and pass on your idea!
I think Bill is also right that the slimming companies and food companies will use this to their advantage – freezers and chillers full of BSD ready meals etc.

Anyone else having issues with logging into this stream please? I log in, then when I go to post it says I have to log in again, but when I go back 2 pages I can post…….

Question for you lovely people please – Fruit Water makers, I have found them on this site & on the web…… What do they actually do please & are they any good ? I was thinking it might be nice to have an alternative to straight water sometimes, but don’t want to be adding fruit sugars to anything by accident.

Any help would be brilliant thank you.

Hi jeff, nice to hear you on the forums again! I take the same line as you. I will eat kale but I adore brocolli, asparagus, spinach and so many more veg that I prefer to kale.
As i am eating what I have always eaten minus gluten free bread (£3 a loaf) rice and potatoes I am finding my food shop is actually cheaper 🙂

When your clothes loosen you know you’re losing weight 🙂

Hi all, I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts and thought I would throw my tuppence worth in! Hubby and myself started the 800 almost four weeks ago. I have significantly more weight to lose than him. In fact despite a foots’ height difference when we started off I was two pounds heavier than him and as of this morning I still am! I started off at 13st 5lbs and I’m 5ft tall. He has now lost 16lbs and I have lost 15lbs. When he loses another 2lbs that will be 10% of his body weight and he will move to the 5:2. We both lost significant amounts of weight on the Dukan high protein diet and kept it off very well with the 5:2 until we just went wild and the weight came back again over about 16 months. The 5:2 is a great plan but you must create a calorie deficit to get the full benefit. Now here’s the thing, we don’t really monitor carbs. We eat a well balanced and wholesome range of foods, but although I’m great at putting low carb recipes made of anything but flour together, I can’t be bothered! If I have to seek out ingredients that can only be found in Diagon Alley I’m going to get bored and go off the rails! The secret to losing weight on this diet, and this is just what I believe, is to get a bit of exercise as well. Walking, try and do your 10000 steps, or swimming. That way your muscle tissue will eat up everything you take in, and you will lose weight. I’m not diabetic but I do have polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), it plays havoc with the hormones. Also I find it difficult to “release hostages”, this was the term we used on Dukan for constipation – sorry but it is a dieting issue. Here’s what today’s menu looks like: B – one slice of Burgen soya linseed bread toasted, laughing Cow lite triangle, tea with 50ml milk. Coffee at 11am, 50ml milk. L – 100g tesco Greek style yogurt, 50g strawberries, 25g blueberries. D – Scrambled egg with cheese. I keep enough calories for a 40 cal Belgian hot chocolate, and I can still have a cup of tea later if I feel like it. I usually have calories left over. At the weekend I abandon the tea, hot chocolate etc and have 175ml of vino. Thanks for reading this and good luck!

Happy Day!

So brilliant to have this great result Bill.

We are all dancing & raising glasses to you (with water or ‘laughing gravy”)

: )

Lynne, in response to your post, I just want to say: right-on sister! Power to the people! I wish for the same sort of revolution here in the U.S.!

Judith, that’s not all of it with my son unfortunately. There’s so much going on in that family unit, but it’s not for this forum. Unfortunately it means his stress levels are through the roof, which doesn’t help. I’ve become very good at keeping my mouth shut. (Yes, Bill – I can do that if I have to 😱)

I help out with the twins, having them stay with me in some school holidays. But they live in Manchester and I’m in County Durham. When they come after Easter I’ll try feeding them the Mediterranean way. They don’t eat many sweets, but eat cereal every day, sandwiches at school, and lots of pasta, potatoes and rice.

I remember them having a kiddy meal from Subway – you should have seen them, nearly running round the walls as high as kites. Not repeated.

Not much I can do to influence their eating at home, but at my house ….. 😃

No it’s not unobtainable Lynne
We are the people and we have the ultimate power over the lot of them – voting with our feet.
A sharp loss of profits will quickly realign their thinking.
Someone should have told Mr Osbourne about this, to send a £3.60 diet book to every diabetic in the country would cost far far less than the price of drugs and treatment.

Hi Everyone:

I’ve been off posting in the forums for a week or so, but have been following everyone’s progress. I’ve been doing pretty well, not perfect, but much progress. I’ll have a weigh in on saturday and see what the scale says; I know something is happening as my clothes are loosening up!
The forums have been so helpful with information, experience, and recipes. One invaluable thing I have learned in the last week is to ‘keep it simple’. That is to prepare simple, easy meals, with the idea that as I begin to feel better and have more energy I’ll want to get in the kitchen more. Other ideas I’ve decided to incorporate are to eat only foods (on the plan) that I really like, for instance I love asparagus, but not kale so much, even though it’s supposed to be a super-food (and I’ve tried), so I will have asparagus. I have seen people write about this on the forums and have decided to adopt for myself the notion that since I will not be spending money on junk food, take out, and probably doing less restaurant eating, I will by premium ingredients. I reckon that I will still come out far ahead cost-wise. Fortunately, we have a store here called Whole Foods (some call it ‘Whole Paycheck’) that can be expensive but has excellent quality foods.

I am also very happy to say that when I got home from work last night my book had arrived! This is five days early! I am so happy to have it in hand!

best wishes to all for continued success
Jeff

Rico isn’t it lovely to drop a number in the stones column! But you have already seen that happen 3 times! Amazing! Way to go 🙂

End of week 5 – lost 5kgs on the button (a shade over 11lb in old money). That’s more than 5% of my total bodyweight! I’m sleeping well, not feeling particularly hungry, and I’ve somehow got out of the habit of mindless munching while I’m sitting at my desk. Can’t say that I’ve followed 800 calories a day slavishly, and there has been the odd time when I’ve had a glass of wine, or a roast potato, or a piece of granary toast – but my energy levels are insane! I’ve got the bike out of the shed for the first time since before Christmas, did a good 15 mile trip last weekend, and I’ve been out jogging every other lunchtime. My downfall on previous diets has always been cheese – but on the BSD it’s a positive thing to include a bit of cheese so that keeps me happy.

On a related note – have you noticed how many carb-heavy takeaway foods there are? It’s a sea of beige food out there! Pies, pasta salads, sausage rolls, chips, sandwiches, crisps – it’s really difficult to find a decent bought lunch, unless you go to Eat or Pret. Another good reason to have home-made stuff. Today I had a home-made vegetable laksa (without noodles) and it was delish.

Do the cheesecakey thing Lynne, they should love them 😀
Relax ? I’ll do that when I pop off, this weekend is a celebration 🙂

A friend of mine told me a few years ago about her son’s then partner – a GP – who said diabetics would bankrupt the NHS. My response was to put me in a locked room with him for a while and I’d sort him out!

With the post code lottery re testing supplies there is a conspiracy theory in some quarters that ‘they’ are trying to get rid of us to save money.

Well, their wish is being granted – just not how they thought. 😃

Just think – smaller profits for drug companies, the huge slimming organisations losing members (and profits), and all those manufacturers of ‘slimming’ low-fat foods and diet meals also losing profits. Imagine – food shops full of healthy food, full fat with taste rather than sugar. 😃 Cheaper to buy healthy rather than junk food! And bring back cooking lessons in schools, cooking from scratch rather than microwaving ready meals. Or am I looking for an unobtainable Utopia?

Bruno I am so glad you posted that – a few people have reached a plateau so your experience will encourage them.
Well done on your fabulous weight loss and enjoy the rest of your journey 🙂

Lynne it must be so hard for you to see your son damaging himself like that. I truly hope he will see the sense of this diet when he sees the changes in you.
The man at the coffee morning!!! He sounds much worse than my friends partner – never thought I would hear myself say that!
My asthma nurse said that it was difficult to help patients who don’t want to help themselves as well – we were talking about diabetes because of the book.
You never know, we may meet in real life one day, and boy, wouldn’t I love to be waving a placard in an audience with Doc Mosley there along with you and Bill and any others.
🙂

😃.

Now, I wonder if I can get the twins to try it? he he.

I can just picture you with a great big smile on your face. I am so happy for you all 😃 Now relax and have a great weekend. x

Hi everyone,
Good to hear how everyone’s finding the diet. Thats me at the end of week 6.
So far I’ve lost just over 2 stone (29lbs). Last Friday when I weighed myself I’d only lost 1lb, so was amazed that I lost 5lb this week👍.
For the last 7 days I’ve also cut out caffeine. Started drinking Caffine free Green Tea which was pretty vile for the first few days but now I’m beginning to like it. Tried the curry recipe with cauliflower rice last night, it was amazing.

Tell me about it.
There was I sitting feeling fairly smug with the weight and the sugar readings reducing day by day.
Then one morning – BANG a 9.9 fasting reading. It took almost a fortnight for them to stabilise again although I do get the odd high result still but I know it’s just stored sugar coming out so I stopped worrying about it.

Way to go Bill, the best news ever!

Hopefully more people will go on pre-emptive strikes against diabetes.

I do worry for my granddaughters, as both myself and their father are diabetic. They don’t eat many sweets, which is good. When they stay with me, guess what they’ll be
Eating as much as possible. He he. *looks furtively over shoulder to make sure they’re not listening*

Not much, I know. But a start.

At the minute I’m sort of alternating between laughing and crying.
When my wife rang I rushed out into the showroom from the office to take the call and got some very strange looks from the customers when I sort of screamed “Oh Nancy thank God”
This weekend is going to be a very happy one in our house 😀

Glad you stuck that on the end Lynne
To me the foremost question in their minds would be, Is it ethical to deprive the drug and weight loss companies of the blood money they’ve been rolling in for years on the back of this horrible disease

Bill, just caught up with the posts – oh I can’t tell you how happy I feel for you and your family – I’m crying myself. What a RELIEF!!! What a Friday this is turning out to be!!
I think tonight calls for big fat juicy steaks as well as a drink!!!

The shock and stress of it all will really be hitting home now that you can heave a massive sigh of relief as you have had to sit on this and act normal for your grandchildren and the whole family during so many days – so no wonder you can’t stop crying.

This day just can’t get any better! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
In fact Bill, I’m going to indulge in a little glass of something with you and toast your family when I drink. 🙂 🙂 🙂 :)Cherrieanne is going to be so pleased when Australia wakes up! 🙂