Its best to buy full fat natural yogurt, Greek is nicest because its not so acidic and then stew up some berries such as blackcurrents or blueberries to mix in. If its not sweet enough and not palatable you can sweeten the stewed fruit with some Erythritol, its the best I have found as Stevia for example leaves a horrible aftertaste. The Erythritol is safe for diabetics, goes straight through you and is recommended from my Peer Educator Tutor for Type II diabetes, and she has done all the research on this low carb diet for her PhD.

I understand there are a lot of trials now going on to demonstrate the benifits of a very low carb diet so hopefully that will start to provide the evidence and encourage clinitians to change their practice. My daughter is dietician and it is interesting to see how she been trained to resist ‘crank’ diets, understandably as some of her patients have really odd eating habits. However with overwealming evidence they will come round. If you think its hard for us to change habits and embrace fats, think how much harder it is for a professional who has to admit they were peddling myths over a lifetime in medicine. There is a really good interview with Dr Tim Noakes about low carb diets and how he has completly change his opinion, worth watching.

Me too. I forced down ww yogurts as they were good for me! I was a ww fan too and successfully lost 5 stone with them, then 2 st, then 3st, and when I moved here carried on online! Always regaining weight within a short time of getting to goal. I thought I had to be with ww for life!
Full fat yogurt is nothing like the diet stuff. Once I am able to get out again I will buy some full fat Greek yogurt and berries.
The other thing I am really enjoying is eating nuts. I have always loved them but never dared to eat them! This way of eating works with my bid to eat clean but also allows me to sort out my weight and get out of the pre diabetic risk I was running.
As has been said at some point the big guys will have to take notice of this. Ww profits are already down. Probably since I stopped buying their stuff!

Sue1234, don’t worry, I have had a couple of episodes in the 7 weeks so far where I seem to have put on a pound and then the next day 2 pounds comes off. Sometimes we just have more water retention than others. Hope your day goes well 🙂

Hi Janet1973 there is no comparison between the low fat junk and the real thing, is there? Ridiculous that one has to search for it. Thanks for the info on weightwatchers. Like you I am staying in this gang!! 🙂

Thank you for all of your kind words and encouragement. I feel quite low today, I got on the scales and I have put on 1lb. Not sure why?

Day 12 weight 10st 10lbs
Blood sugar 11.4

So much for having a quiet day to myself – my Mother has just phoned – she is very upset and wants me to get a taxi down to her house to look after her ! Aaaarrrrgggghhhh

Thanks for the link Pesco, I’ve just listened to the full interview and am sending it to a few diabetic people I know to listen to it. Thanks 🙂

Sounds good, Bill, look forward to hearing about it 🙂

The full fat yoghurt is currently hidden in a little corner of the fridge of the supermarket like the ugly duckling. But I wager that in five years time, you won’t be able to find any low fat products on the shelves. I have always disliked yoghurt, its just boring. Then I tasted full fat yoghurt…

Thank you theblackspot

Good advice not wait after the 8 weeks

Thanks
Anita

Weight watchers was founded by a woman called Jean Nidetch who, having put on a bit of weight, was shocked to find people thought she was pregnant! She asked her friends to get together to share low calories recipes over a coffee at her house and that’s how it all started. The weight watchers machine is absolutely massive and they will eventually catch up with this turnaround of approach; mainly because they can’t afford to go under. But it will still cost members a lot of money to be in their gang. I’d rather be in this gang 😉

I did weight watchers and got to my goal weight back in 2004 (started at 9st 11 down to 8st 7) kept it off for 4 years but ending up at 11st before I started bsd. !! I am completely sold on loosing visceral fat and cutting down on carbs/sugars, adopting the med diet but wow is it difficult to psychologically shift from low fat! I don’t particularly like plain yogurt and have been looking for full fat fruit yoghurt with low sugar.. No success so I am going to try as nidge64 suggested normal yoghurt with berries… Everything I ate up until this diet was low fat… Diets bread, diet lemonade, lots and lots of fruit, especially exotics.

When we have our moments of slippage, which I did this week and had a baguette we must remember this is a life style change for the better… Eat healthier and exercise, keeping the inches off our waistlines

Thank you all for all your advise.. And here’s to all us having a successful week no matter how big or small

Nothing wrong with adapting recipes to taste Judith.
I have this thing in my mind for this weekend about slicing some onions into rings and frying them in coconut oil until tender, then adding a chickpea flour batter and cooking one side until brown, flipping it, and sprinkling a little cheese on top of the onions and letting it melt.
I’ll let you know how it goes.

That is great news Niffer – I had a great week away, walked loads and ate healthy meals with the odd one or two glitches. Haven’t been able to weigh myself since I got back as my scales have stopped working but am getting some new ones tomorrow. Really pleased that I have been able to get back on the diet with no problems – in fact I was really looking forward to it 🙂

So if I did put anything on during my week away I am pretty hopeful that it will have gone once I get back on some scales.

Not just the drug companies but there is a huge low fat industry out there as well
Someone said in another thread that they were struggling to find full fat Greek yoghurt. I had the same problem with cottage cheese.
We are being inundated with low fat products that are doing us absolutely no good at all.
Even the biggest slimming club in the UK have their name attached to a range of low fat diet meals from one of the worlds biggest food producers.
Thanks for the email Judith, lots of useful info there.

Bill

Hi Garden
Thanks for the encouragement
As well over 50 I will look that up.
Penny

Hi Christina
Thanks for the support.
There seems to be different opinions about whether your metabolism slows on low cals. I think ? On trust me I’m a doctor they showed this not to be the case.
Anyway although my weight loss is very slow it’s very welcome! I have also thought people must be eating a lot less, whereas I was on 1200 cals anyway. Yesterday I went under 11 stone by half a pound so that’s a nice milestone.
Hope yr doing ok.
Penny

I haven’t tried the muffins but I know what you mean Bill. I decided to make a double batch of your coconut flatbreads yesterday. Made the ‘batter’ then realised I had run out of greaseproof paper, trotted as fast as I could to the shop round the corner and when I got back in the batter was as thick as playdough! Bit tricky spreading them on paper but were still delicious. 🙂
Bill, I didn’t put any salt in this time, I kept half of them plain and the other half had a sprinkling of parmesan before they went in the oven. We had the plain ones as a dessert last night – in a bowl, topped with big dollop of greek yoghurt and a spoonful of blackcurrants. Delicious. My son was most impressed! Thanks again for the recipe.
Now I may just have to go out and buy pumpkin seeds and try these muffins!

Michael Mosley was interviewed this morning on ABC RN Life Matters program. It was a near half hour interview and was very good; much better than the SBS Insight program.

You can listen to it here http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/lifematters/can-type-2-diabetes-be-reversed/7216162

WOW Lynne, go girl go, that’s fantastic!!! Well done! 🙂

Did anyone watch this? It wasn’t as good as I was hoping, mainly due to the less than enthusiastic response from the two guests currently following the diet. What did others think?

I’m currently into my third week and all is going well.

Hi HR I really wouldn’t worry about the percentages of carbs etc just take recipe ideas from the book an this website, watch the weight fall off then no more worries 😉
Good luck, we are all rooting for you 🙂

Hi HR

Dunno where you are in the world, but I just read this online as like you I was curious about calculating carbs.

“However, in the UK and EU, fibre is actually shown separately so you don’t deduct it (or anything!) from the Carbohydrate total. So, for an example, if a label says:

Carbohydrates – 5g
Of which sugars – 2g
Fibre – 1g
Then you’d count a total of 5g carbohydrates for this food.”

Just wanted to give you a heads up. 🙂

Don’t worry SOS you will soon get your head round it. 🙂 and welcome to the forums 🙂

Yeh, I shop in Aldi too. way way cheaper. Their 5% mince is lovely and again, way cheaper.

Bill, that last post really made me chuckle 🙂

Hi Malkay
I’m not losing weight as fast as some, but still at a reasonable rate.
I’ve had to tighten my belt 3 notches up to now and it’s getting loose again.
Stick to it, the belly fat will go

Lynne….

New undies ???

We really need images 😀

Hi franash
I must have been one of the lucky ones, the only side effect I really had was a lightheaded feeling for a couple of days.
You should feel much better in a few days when your body adjusts to this new lifestyle and the hunger pangs will go, promise !
In fact, I find now that, at times. I have to push myself to eat as I’m just not hungry.
I’m confident that in a weeks time, you’ll be back excitedly telling us about your first week results.

On the subject of Aldi, they are by far the cheapest for coconut oil.
Under £2 compared to over £6 at Asda

Hi captainlynne, i hadn’t realised slimming clubs started so small. What uplifting information!

Bill, too right, big drug companies stand to lose billions world wide if all diabetics took this on board. The info relayed about the airing on Australian tv rather suggests this could be the case . I liked your analogy of our voices getting louder

Onward and upwards 🙂

Does sow medicine prevent you from pigging out by any chance 😉

Brilliant Lynne
After all that is the main end goal, for me the weight loss is a (major) bonus but getting the sugar levels down is paramount.
You just continue to show us all the way, keep it up 🙂

Hi garden78, your doctor’s response was very disappointing. Perhaps your next check up will make him think. Do you know any other diabetics in your practice? A few of you doing this diet – and letting the practice know once the group is getting results – may convince them.

One of our problems is that sceptical medics may dismiss our evidence as ‘anecdotal’. However, I know a nurse in my practice is taking this seriously and is likely to be spreading the message.

Perhaps Michael will do a new series about this and really get it out there.

The nurse in my practice said that while some patients want to control their condition others think that taking the meds solves the problem. I think a visit round a renal ward might make those people think twice – life as a blind diabetic amputee must be hell. Captainlynne’s diabetes nurse also told her that some people want to help themselves while others think metformin is the answer.

I guess it really is up to us to get the word out not only to medical professionals but to those we know who are diabetic and not following this diet.

Keep on with the good work, garden78, we will get people thinking right eventually.
Well done for what you have achieved so far 🙂

Fantastic news, and well done you! You are an inspiration to the rest of us to keep going.

Pete, Great news about the blood pressure, sounds promising. The no booze is the key I think. A little easier for me as I cant drink on my heart medication. I am trying to increase my daily step total from around 6,000 to 10,000 a day. That and a little swimming in these first few weeks will do. I am studying for a degree, that keeps my time fully occupied too.

Having tried weight loss so many different ways this time I am focused on sticking out the full eight weeks rather than my usual pushing too hard too soon!

Have a good week everyone.

Sorry, but just had to share 😃

Fasting blood this morning was 4.4!!!!!

Never seen that before 😳

*goes for another coffee to recover*

Morning Bill1954

Well said.

I seem to remember that the major slimming clubs started small, round a kitchen table, and look where they are now.

The more people who join us in this, the more evidence we collate, the harder it will be for the medical professionals to ignore us.

After years of complaining that the medics say they want us to be proactive but they don’t give us the tools, we now have a vital tool thanks to Dr Mosley and Prof Taylor.

I think that’s probably it
Coconut flour absorbs an awful lot of moisture so maybe try reducing the amount used.
I found this when making the flatbreads, the mixture is supposed to be a batter but mine was a thick paste.
Still delicious though.

If you’ve lost 5lb in 9 days, then I think you should be happy with that. I know you want to lose 2 stone and I’m guessing that brings you either to a ‘healthy’ (not overweight) size, or maybe even an ideal size. Bear in mind some of the people in this study (and in this group) will have wasaay more to lose – some might drop half of what you want to lose in total in the first week in water alone… but they might have another 100lb to lose after that.

Be patient and probably modify your expectations, especially as you get closer to your target. Even on 800 calories a day, once your body approaches a healthy weight it will hold on tight to any residual body fat for as long as it can.

Good luck!

Look to the top right of your post here. You will see the reply / new topic links, or just scroll to the bottom and type into the reply box and post.
I don’t thing you can save the recipes on your profile, I just copy and paste them into a text doc using notepad and save them in a recipes folder on my desktop.

Everyone is different and we lose weight at different rates.
Go to one of the slimming clubs and they will positively beam at you for losing 5 pounds in 9 days.
Stick with it, make sure you drink lots of water, and make sure that you are putting a decent amount of fat in your diet.
5 lbs in 9 days, if you could keep that loss up I reckon another 45 days will get you to target.
Make that your goal and stop worrying about how fast you get there.

Garden78
yeah it’s going to take time to get this new lifestyle mainstream.
The problem being that a lot of medical professionals will stick religiously to the way they have been trained and will only accept change when it’s been researched to death for 10 years and been published in the lancet!
This forum is now providing overwhelming evidence that the low carb approach really works, trouble is, at the moment we are still a minority and lined up against us is not just most of the medical profession, but multi billion dollar weight loss industries.
We may, at the moment, just be a small voice in the darkness but, day by day, as more people post their success stories, that voice is getting louder.
We will get to the point where our voice is heard, hopefully soon or a lot of lives are going to be needlessly ruined by a disease that can be controlled without drugs.

I started the fast 800 diet 9 days ago. I don’t have diabetes and am not pre diabetic but have a bit of fat to lose around my tummy and wanted to get back to feeling healthy and energetic. I am loving the food and have been following the plan pretty well ( with the odd square of dark chocolate) but my weight loss seems slow, especially when you read the case studies. I have only lost 5 pounds so far – good but my target is two stone. Am I doing something wrong? I have a fairly sedentary desk job. I walk to work but and haven’t begun to really up my exercise yet. Is that the issue? Any advice folks?

I was also disappointed when I had my diabetic review this month. My GP wanted me to go on Metformin and Statins and I brought up the low carb diet I had started . He was unenthusiastic and when I asked if he was aware of the Newcastle research done a few years ago where they gave 600 calories and had good results he just shrugged. I introduced the book and really wasted my breath. He did suggest I go back in 3 months and have blood tests. Well I feel better than I have in a long time and after a month I’m off my blood pressure medication ( check my BP to make sure it’s ok), my blood sugar is controlled and I feel really well. I’m losing weight and inches of my waist! The proof is there when I look in the mirror and you know what there is sufficient research out there to continue. There is also a diet doctors site which also has medics on leading the way and there have been conferences about low carb approach ( you can browse and it’s free for a month) they also suggest fasting to encourage fat burning . I’m sticking with this and plan to go back in 3 months . Keep at it everyone .

He he 🙂 so glad your not on vet meds 🙂

Some medicine, not sow medicine in case anyone thinks I’m some weirdo taking farm animal meds 😄

Week 2 day 3 weigh in – down 9.4 pounds. I had 2 gains since last Friday, up .8 of a pound, sts for 2 days, day 3 I was up an additional 1.2 pounds 😡 But I’d been very constipated so I had to go with sow medicine. Since then my gain has gone plus another pound!
Of course the downside is that since I took the medicine I’m probably heading back into a bunged up cycle but I’m trying alternatives to manage it.
Love reading everyone’s good news 😁

Hi rubbu
I am away from home all week and cook food at the weekend and freeze it and keep it in a plug in fridge in my truck.
I have a blueberry smoothie in the morning or Greek yoghurt and berries.
Lunch is usually two boiled eggs and a slice of salmon or tuna/Mackerel with creme fraiche topped with leaf spinach.
Evening meal I have homemade tagine with quern in it or a chicken curry with some green veg.
At the weekend I have a pork chop and egg with asparagus.
Porridge sometimes and weekend nights either meat and veg or fish and veg.
I take free weights in my truck and do arm exercises plus push ups sit ups etc.
I also go for a 30 min walk depending on where I park and go cycling or swimming with the kids on one day of the weekend.
I think the only reason I lost so much weight at first is the fact that I was pretty heavy and weight loss is slowing down quite a lot now.
I have been inspired by all the great stories and comments on the BSD site and realised we are struggling on some days but take each day as it comes.
I have counted calories but eat what appears to be around 80 calories.
Hope you get some inspiration from this forum and there is lots of support and information from individuals doing the same journey.
Hope you achieve great results and wish you all the success in your BSD journey.
Nidge

Hi hummingbird I’m looking forward to your posts 🙂

Hi Aly, great news! I must admit that for the first few days I ate low fat yoghurt, it really is hard to reverse the advice of decades. When i ate my first full fat yoghurt it felt a bit like recklessly hurling myself on a cliff. Then the weight loss seemed to accelerate. I know what you mean about the scales. I started at 11 st 9 lbs and after other diet fails couldnt believe my eyes when i went just under the 11 st mark. Didn’t even dare dream of going just under 10 st. But here I am at 9st 10lb after just seven weeks!!!! To go just under 9 is still something I daren’t dream about but would be good for me as I had a really severe leg injury just over 20 years ago and was told to keep my weight between 8 and 8 and a half stones because of damage to my knee. However i would be delighted to get to 9st 4 as that is a comfortable weight.
Looking forward to that moment when you stand on the scales and it says under 10 because it will happen.
Hope those antibiotics are beginning to kick in for you!

It might be better to stay off the milky products til your chest infection clears as dairy foods increase mucus production – what about a nice omlette for brekkie?
🙂