Did I mention I’m using the free ‘fat secret ‘ app now ? It’s soooo good ! Enter your good eaten and calculates instantly fat protein carbs etc and you can get a pie graph even shows you a picture of what you’ve eaten shading g fat protein carb really highlights well

That should have read 800 cals….and I think like was posted… I wasn’t eating enough fat

Hi all sorry have not replied have been in agony with shoulder pain… Anyway was walking at the shops and pull up trousers nearly fell down!! Nicely awkward so I seem to have turned the corner… But it’s weird not dropping any weight at all first three weeks… Double checked scales but now. A kilo gone (Australia!) and measuring weekly had kept me going with 890 cals a day and thank you to all for your great support … Wasn’t drinking enough wAter … It’s 30 c here haha and I still drink tea and coffee all day like a pom! Also watched what you said about carb counting .. I wasn’t doing that… I’m an English fat pear do not centrally fat… Just strange monster of visceral fat arrived with menopause!! I am going to add in chi Kung again I used to teach it and it’s like tai chi but much better! Lowers BP can heal internally when you get really good at it! You can just stand and move your arms to form a circle finger tips touching at busy level .. Palms towards chest. Then sink down into semi squat … Don’t have your knees going over your toes… For those that can see toes lol… Focus on your breathing … It’s reverse to what we usually do.. As you breathe in you let your tummy stick out haha shudnt be hard ! Then breathe out imagining your tummy button is drawing back to your spine… Get a book from library or go to amazon online !

Matrika, that’s shocking! If that is the way a prof thinks then there is a hell of a way to go! 🙁

Great news Aly 🙂

Penny, I’m ‘seeing’ it. I used to watch the eagles in Oman – not too far from Goa as the crow flies. Sounds wonderful 🙂

My current GP wrote on a recent blood test request “eshews statins”. I should think so…I have a cardiac calcium score of zero!

She’s filling in for my regular doctor who is a lot more supportive and off having a baby…but basically, no GP I have seen has much clue about the connection between food and insulin hence BGL, they are obsessed with BGL and can’t get beyond that. Its infuriating. And patients are accused of not working hard at getting healthy or losing weight!

I had one professor in charge of a diabetes clinic thump the desk and growl “a calorie is a calorie” in response to me telling him I respond differently to carbohydrate and other food groups. I’ve given up on them and only attend for my tests, so I have the information to keep on working from.

So, two days back on the wagon and I have lost once more 3 of the 4 pounds I put on during my week of catastrophic eating. Hopefully this is all the proof I need that this does work!

Hi Bill must sent that from Dohar Airport in Qatar!
Goa is beautiful. Very hot! Wedding on Wednesday. ( grandson, who is half Goan. )
Think of me lazing in the pool in the 37′ heat watching eagles gliding over head!
Hope your celebrations are going well.
Penny

Hi Penny,
Are you in Australia?
I was trying to access it from a PC…joining was easy but haven’t actually used it since I found the Samsung app on the phone (researcher Darwin led me to it)…it is pretty good except it is a bit rigid ie can’t input leeks green leaves, only the white (which I’m not eating). Similarly I can’t always reduce the quantity to what I’m using eg teaspoon coconut oil… 1/2 TBS is their smallest quantity. But that is really not very important…its great so far for me and it beeps and tells me when I’ve reached daily exercise goals or calorie goals…it gives me a reward which I find fantastic!

Hi matrika
I haven’t joined Calorieking and I use it all the time. Hmm.
Great you found that app on your phone.
Good luck
Penny

Hi Captainlynne
I literally saw that on my docs records -‘non compliant’ !
They took it off after I said I’d seen it.
Are we supposed to behave like good children and not question anything??!!
Penny

Hawks that sounds delicious 🙂

Bill. Fantastic news. Really pleased for you all.
Penny

Hi Mosleyfan
Someone else this happened to found that when she checked on her scales that measure body fat and water content her fat was down 11% but her water was up a lot hence no weight loss showing.
I had water retention at first. I got some hawthorn tea from Amazon. Works really well.
Penny

mountainman,
You could take some glucose tabs with you if you are concerned about dropping blood sugar levels…don’t know if you are diabetic but that is what people with blood sugar probs usually carry in case of hypos and they work instantly(ish).

Thanks hashimoto.
I think I got an answer! Using the ketostix was doing fine til rhubarb compote for brunch (with full fat yoghurt) stopped the ketosis …have been measuring to try to figure out what it is and that is all I have eaten today so, seems conclusive. I cooked the rhubarb with strawberries, obviously they are a no go for me. I can’t eat the rhubarb as is without blueberries or some sort of sweetener and am sorry about this cause I love rhubarb and haven’t eaten it since I gave up stevia.

Will eat the compote I cooked and then see how I go. Sticking rigidly within the 800cals a day and exercising my way up to 10,000 steps. Am at 8,000 just for now. My phone app is happy.

I have gained a kilo this week so far but will keep on with the experiment. I am totally contented with the 800 cals it is fine for me and the food suggestions are easy to work with.

We had the autumn equinox yesterday, much cooler and easier to exercise so maybe that will do it.

Hi Hawks and welcome to the forums. You’ve done a great job getting your BMI down. I’m sure you’ll have great success on the BSD.
Keep in touch if you need advice or support, there’s always someone who’ll be able to help. Reading through the other threads helps you pick up all sorts of tips too. Although having done the 5:2 you would be pretty knowledgeable already 🙂

My husband and I are about to start this BSD and are very motivated to succeed. I am trying to be prepared so as to avoid “falling of the wagon along the way”
My husband does shift work and his roster requires 4 weeks at a time of night shift with day & evening shifts between blocks of nights- It is the nights I am worried about as I know one of the things he and his colleges do to cope is eat a lot of the worst kind of snack food- lollies chips cup-a-soups etc. I would very much appreciate any tips on meals that can be prepared ahead of time and suitable snacks for when he just cant cope at night and needs a pick me up at 3am.
Many thanks in advance for any advice on offer

I have found a breakfast “cereal” than is cereal free. It is locally made here, so not something you can get, but the ingredients might be something you can make up easily:
I have put the ingredients in order of volume with the main one at the top

flaked almonds
sunflower, flax, pumpkin & sesame seeds
shredded coconut
small amount of dried apricot
cinnamon for sweetness

I sprinkle it over full fat yoghurt and then chop an apple or pear over this

Hi
I am not diabetic, as far as I know, but blood sugar tests were some time ago.
I was very overweight after a very long bout of deep depression, so once I got that under control, decided to try to control the weight.

I have been on the 5:2 diet for a couple of years, and tried severely reducing carbs for 6 weeks late last year as an attempt to break a plateau, which worked, but then I had a long summer break from all that dieting stuff.
Then I heard an interview with the author about the BSD, so felt a bit more inspired and bought the book, and am trying to implement the Med style 5:2. I am keeping down the carbs fairly strictly.
Over the last couple of years I have got my BMI down from 41 to 31 but obviously have a long way to go yet.

I’ve just finished week 9 — lost two stone and enjoying the diet. I know that it was only meant to be for 8 weeks but I’m not sure if I can trust myself going back to a ‘ regular’ diet.

I feel for you scotgran, that was some walk – but now you know where to go berrying in Autumn lol 🙂

wonderful isn’t it Lucia? Your mention of May provoked the memory of The May Magnificat. Are you a Hopkins fan too? 🙂

The 5:2 Fast Diet and the BSD 5:2 are quite different. On the 5:2 FD up to 500/600 calories are allowed on fast days. On non-fast days you can eat anything you like, including alcohol, within reason. On the 5:2 BSD the aim is to reduce blood sugar, and tackle type 2 diabetes, therefore on non fast days you stick to the high fat, low carb Mediterranean diet, refrain from alcohol, but do not count calories. The Mediterranean style of eating, reduced alcohol, would be less calorific, therefore the higher calories on fast days should result in weight loss.

Thanks, FatCat.
I will give them a try later this week. I used to do a lot of baking, but as part of this diet that has gone out the window and I am limiting my baking to once a week.

I too have many gallstones that I cannot get removed on NHS. I have lost 10 kg so far in 6 weeks and have had no flare-ups. We are all different though. I never thought I had a high fat diet to cause them but one parent and sister had them too. I cannot see how being on BSD would be bad for anything much and Prof Taylor alluded to that. Food shortage is not uncommon in many parts of the world and in our history. If the gall bladder is full of stones it may have ceased to function anyway. Monitor yourself and do not worry unduly. Mine were diagnosed in 2006 and I have had no advice on what not to eat from either my GP or 2 consultants. Good luck keep us posted as you must have finished your 8 weeks BSD by now.

Hi Sue1234,
Things are happening again for you, it must be a relief.
Have you looked at a thread called ‘rising fasting blood sugar levels’ in the fast 800 forum. You will see there’s a few people experiencing high blood sugar levels starting anywhere between weeks 3 & 5. The general consensus seems to be that at this point, the liver is releasing stored sugar and so blood levels rise. There are better explanations for this on the thread.
It happened to me and had me very concerned. My blood sugars had come right down to mostly under 5, fasting, and I was so pleased. Nothing I did with my diet or eating pattern made a difference to the spike in blood sugars. Now they’ve dropped back down again. Low 5’s for past few days and 4.7 this morning. Hang in there, it will pass 🙂

Hi scots gran,
I am so jealous, mud is great for the complexion You must be glowing!!!

And you got through it all and came back to tell the tale. Are you related to cat girls bear gryls? Just don’t eat the bugs?!!!!??!
You will be climbing up snowdon next.
Glad you are out, about and active. I am not there yet, but I soon will be.

Keep smiling, keep moving, keep losing
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi Hashimoto,

Thrush’s eggs look little low heavens, and thrush
Through the echoing timber does so rinse and wring
The ear, it strikes like lightnings to hear him sing;
The glassy peartree leaves and blooms, they brush
The descending blue; that blue is all in a rush
With richness; the racing lambs too have fair their fling.

From what I can remember,
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Yesterday I went for a walk. Saw a road closed sign, ignored it assuming the walking bit was open. Wrong! Consulted a dog walker, set off through a marshy field, then into a wood, got snarled in brambles. One tree looks much like another so I had a bit of a problem retracing my steps. I actually ended up further away than when I went into the wood. Anyway my one hour walk in the sunshine ended up being a two and a half hour yomp through mud and thorns.

End of the 7th week and things are looking good.

I am down to 83 kg. Last summer I was 105 kg at my 6 monthly diabetes weigh in. 83kg is 13stone and 1lb which is in the overweight rather than the obese range for 5′ 10″ and less than I weighed on leaving the Army.

My trousers are far to big, my shirts are like tents. I have lost a little muscle tone but until I can sort out the arthritis problems I will have to live with 8000 steps per day and using the stairs when I can.

I will be attempting the diet when the book releases. My blood sugar is still normal, but creeping towards the higher end of normal. My mother has type 2, I’m hoping to talk her into attempting it with me.

I can’t wait to know how it goes for you tomorrow. I don’t think you will struggle while you are away. You have changed your mindset not just your diet so I think you’ll find it very easy to avoid the carbs which gives you a bit of licence for the odd snifter. But that’s all to come, we’ll concentrate on this week first. Everything crossed for you. Totally agree on the checking labels. I would never have thought there was so many carbs in one tiny yorkie pud! I’ve just had an old clothes fest though, trying on stuff that didn’t fit 6 weeks ago. Very satisfying – I have ‘new’ things to wear and no guilt as no money was spent!

Welcome to the club AnnaandAlfie. Lots of support and advice on here, and usually someone around. Look forward to seeing your progress.

Happy birthday for the 22nd, and thank you. Nothing has ever worked as well for me as the BSD.

Luckily I’m not a veggie so can make do and mend. 5 days a week I have breakfast at work. A boiled egg! I used to have a Miso broth too but they were too salty for me so I ditched that. Weekends I have a brunch so yesterday it was a smoked salmon fillet and today it was it’s twin. Very nice too. Last week it was smoked haddock.

Not sure what to do over the Easter, 2 days at home sans boiled egg 🙂

Hi Janet1973
Thank you so much for the perspective and kind words. I will let you know what happens tomorrow and don’t worry, I’m not about the start scoffing down choccies and biscuits! It’s not so much the little devil, as my annoyance with myself at not being in control. I know I can do this, I’ve proved that over the first three weeks after all. You are right of course about being easier on myself while I’m away and having the easiest weight loss plan to come back too, but I’m determined not to completely trash all achieved so far whilst doing so.
Well done on resisting the Yorkshire. I’m in the habit of looking at the carb counts now and it makes it much easier to put things back and resist! I too do not believe in yolo – used to do Regression Hypnosis.
Will update on the weigh-in tomorrow.

Hi Skinny
Yes, the bsd 800 book says that new research suggests 800 cals for both men and women is sufficient to get weight loss. It is probably based on the ‘new’ med style principles, I don’t think they really featured too much in the original 5:2.

I used the 5-2 fasting diet for a year last year before falling off the wagon. Bought MMs books and they were my health bibles. After coming off 5-2 I have gained a stone in weight so have taken an interest again only to find out there is a revision. On my fast days I was consuming 500 calories or less but now the rule seems to be 800 calories. I understood the scientific facts said that 500 calories for a woman was the maximum amount of calorific intake for a fast day to reset blood sugars and tackle visceral fat.

Confused

I have jumbo oats, apparently they are ok. Bizarrely I found them on Amazon France although they are not available in the shops here.
I have a small amount with a bit of full milk and hot water. I add 1/2 tsp honey. With a black sugarless coffee this keeps me going ages. Keeping this in my eating plan makes it work for me. First thing in the morning is very busy for me so I do not have time for much else. I have three cats to feed, 2 dogs, 17 chickens, 13 ducks and two geese! Thankfully hubby sorts himself out!

When i have looked at what Ive eaten when I’ve stalled very often the difference has been that I’ve eaten less good fat on those days. It has taken a really big shift in my thinking to get over the whole ‘low fat is good’ that I was truly suckered into. When Ive upped my fat with a bit more olive oil or avocado or nuts or full fat dairy it has seemed to get things going again provided i still keep roughly to the 800 cals per day. Good luck and hang in there.

Fantastic Sue 1234, you will have some very loose clothes now! It’s a lovely feeling isn’t it? 🙂

I nearly had a small Yorkshire pudding with dinner tonight…then I read the packet…15 grams carbs…it stayed in the freezer… (apologies to all those who would cook from scratch).

Lucia you are definitely getting better weather than me – the day started in such a promising way and then I was surprised by rain while pottering in the greenhouse – didn’t stop me – or the ‘ weeds in wheels shoot long and lovely and lush’ (straight from my favourite nature poet G.M. Hopkins) nor the birds from singing but oh I do wish for a day of sunshine – the only ones we had lately was while I was in bed with that ghastly bug last week 🙁
I noticed when I saw newspaper headlines on the news this morning that there was a reverse diabetes supplement in the paper – but like you I think I have everything I need in Dr Mosley’s book and I’m sticking with it
Have a good week 🙂

Day 29 – update measured waist today 36″ so I have lost 2 1/2″. Feeling a bit better about things. 😁

Hi SunnyB
I can really feel your pain in what you have written and I have been there so many times myself. I wish I had a crystal ball to see what your next weigh-in will tell you but in its absence, lets try a little perspective. So you went over your calories – but only to around 1000? That’s still a very low cal diet and your carbs were well within ketosis range. I think what is happening here is your own little devil is trying to make you feel so guilty that you head for catastrophic eating. The 800/20 is quite strict so when we have just a little tiny bit that feels naughty, it sends us running for the hills. But you really haven’t been that naughty. I might be sticking my neck out here but I really think you will be ok. Any SLIGHT gain will be water not fat – you absolutely haven’t taken on board enough calories for fat to reappear. So, my lovely, don’t listen to that little devil, he wants to derail you with cries of ‘whats the point??’ Your plan for your time away is a sound one. But go and enjoy yourself, have what you feel like having at the time and know that the easiest weight loss plan you have ever done is waiting for you when you get back. And you still have time to lose some before you go. I firmly believe in life is too short but not yolo cos I’m a bit of a Buddhist 😉

Hi Hashimoto and cat girl,

I hope my mutterings will get a few more people off the settee, away from the telly and outside into the spring.
It was such a beautiful day today, I don’t want anyone to miss it.

Yup, I shall be boogy ing to various tunes. I am tone deaf , don’t know the words, don’t know the tunes, but I shall sing them as loud as I can get away with 🐵🙈🙉🙊
I am hoping singing too, will burn a calorie an hour. What do you estimate?

I have to be careful when I am hoovering , once I get my blubber moving, it doesn’t stop when I do ☺️ But when I am a size 12, there will be no movement, just clean carpets.
It’s a pity wobbling doesn’t burn calories or I would be there now.
But I am not impatient. Mid May will come soon enough.

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi penelope59
Could I suggest you check your carbohydrate intake, as if this is high it might be hindering things. I found that by lowering my carbs, I managed to get things moving again, having hit a two week plateau. Hoping that this downward trend will continue. Let us know how you get on.

Hi Shyvarn
I think your gain might be partly due to muscle tone – muscle weighs more than fat – and the looking smaller is as a result of being toned. Have you thought of trying 16:8 fasting for a period? This means you don’t take in any calories for 16 hours from mid-afternoon overnight to early morning and only eat during the 8 remaining hours during the day. Might be worth trying to see if you can kick start things again. Or alternatively, lower your carb intake and see if that helps.

Just suggestions, hope you manage to find something that works for you. Keep us posted …. good luck!