It did come as a bit of a surprise Judith, there’ll be no stopping you now.
Sounds like your friend is toeing the party line and following the old eat low fat and take your meds advice from the doc
As I mentioned elsewhere, it’s amazing the amount of folk who take the docs word as gospel and never question it.
The fact that you can show him both yours and your sons results is worrying, he sounds very dyed in the wool.

Hi Ali2on,

Are you eating from the Menu Planner? If this is your first week it helps you to get an understanding of what foods you can eat, how to prepare and only when it’s stated in the recipe do you use anything low cal! Fluid intake is essential but Dr Mosley states that if you struggle with water, you can drink no added sugar squash, also included are tea, coffee, etc – if you use skimmed milk this has a higher calorie count than say Almond Milk! Also, he states that if you really have to you can have no added sugar pop and a glass of red wine is acceptable, as it’s based on a Mediterranean diet and red wine is an antioxidant!
Must admit my first week I did not crave anything, second week had a few silly slip-ups! ….but wasn’t hunger just cravings so now using no added sugar Hartley’s jellies and 10 almonds throughout my day for suppressing those cravings!

Love the ‘5 glasses + 5 cup’ idea – may use that myself! …thanks SunnyB

Good luck ….we will do this 😉 x

Thank you. I’ve averaged 66g of Carb a day according to Myfitnesspal so not way over but can obviously improve. I drink a lot of water….porridge has been good for breakfast so will stick with that and maybe vary things for lunch to find a level. Thanks for the responses!

Hi Lynne, I took all my data sheets with me like I said I would do, my GP was running her finger up and down the charts – she really was interested. All in my notes now!! She has arranged for me to have FSB, thyroid function and cholesterol tests done. I think she is as interested as me in the results.
I think she was in deep shock before I even sat down – she treated me for an infection in early January – and is used to me dragging myself in looking half dead – not bouncing in like Tigger on speed! She is young so only known me for a few years hence she has never seen me the way she saw me today. She could see so much had changed before I said a word.

I wonder if the lift in mood to my old self is to do with the new energy – or does this diet do something very fundamental to one’s whole body??

I read your post about suffering with clinical depression, Lynne, life must have been so tough at times for you and yet you give others so much positive support and encouragement. I see you as a friend, someone I know I would get on with if we met. Your weight loss to date is roughly the same as mine. I have now decided I would like to drop another half stone to shift more fat from my belly. I still can’t believe how successful this has been for me – and you – and others. I could hug Professor Taylor and Michael Mosley! 🙂

Hi Christi.

No, you don’t get rid of me from here so easily LOL

Glad to hear you’re feeling better about this, and losing again.

It can be hard when we have food around us that would normally have tempted us. Just the other day I was given a big tin of Heroes chocolates – for me and the twins! Not even thought of opening them. Last year the twins left lots of Easter eggs here – finally took them home in October. No, grandma hadn’t touched them – and that was before BSD. It’s not long ago that I couldn’t have chocolate in the house without eating it. Have even been known to wash down several Mars Bars with Diet Coke 😱

It’s a great group of folk on here and someone is usually around to help because we’re all over the world in different time zones. For me, posting on here and making myself accountable to everyone is a big help. So thanks everyone.

A plateau is when your weight stays the same even though you have stuck to the diet. It turns out weight loss is not just about simply calories in and calories out or we would all lose weight very rapidly all the time on the bsd 800. Its about much more than that but we don’t really know enough about the ‘much more’ at the moment.

Hi all
The same for me I have tried them all, even weight loss tablets, surprise surprise they didn’t work!! I have been on the BSD for three weeks now and lost 16lb and I have tried foods I wouldn’t of even looked at. It took me awhile to get my head around the full fat foods. I am so happy I saw the book on Amazon. Good luck to everyone on this forum with our continued success. X

Hi captainlynne,
I have just read a few of the posts, I thought you were leaving this group! I’m so pleased I got it wrong and it’s FB you were leaving, I always think you and Bill1954 have such positive attitudes towards this bsd and helping people I enjoy reading the posts as a lot of them mirror my journey to losing weight. I too have lived most of my married life with different forms of depression, I had a complete breakdown 18 months after my 4th child was born, ( post natal) that wasn’t picked up on, I am talking nearly 35 years ago, it just never seemed to completely go away and I battled on, clinical mostly, however now I’m retired I can use my cbt and mindfulness to help keep me on an even keel
On a bsd diet point, I was having problems with not losing and feeling down, Bill posted a positive reply to me, I can now say this week has been so much better, on Tuesday I was giving my gown up daughter a birthday tea, as another daughter was coming with her three girls for tea, so I did her her favourite dessert, sherry and strawberry trifle and a choc mint birthday cake, agony for me as I love them both, well the point I am making is, I did the party tea and didn’t get tempted by either the trifle or the cake, (there is still a couple of slice of cake left in the fridge!) and to top it all I have started losing weight again after a short period where I didn’t lose and even put a bit on, I am now in a better place both physically and mentally so thank you to you and all the other ‘posters’ they all help tremendously. ‘

Hi Bre, well done. Please do keep us posted about after your 8 weeks! 🙂

My 8 weeks are up today and I am very happy to announce that I have lost 25 pounds in that time and 5 inches from my waist measurement as well as 4 inches off my chest and 3 inches off my hips. I’ve gone down 2-3 dress sizes as well. I had my blood taken this morning and will get the results of my fasting glucose levels and HbA1c on Monday – I’m really hoping that they have fallen into the normal range.
I plan to carry on eating the same way but not calorie counting for the next two weeks as I’m on holiday but then I will return to the 8 week plan as I still have 2 stone to loose – ironically, I lost 25lb in 8 weeks and prior to that it took me 18 months to loose the first 28.5lbs that I lost. This is definitely the best diet ever! It is so motivating to loose the weight so quickly and other than the odd day of hunger, a little light-headedness and headache very early on, I’ve felt fab – energised, better concentration and no bloating (no bad period symptoms either which I always had previously).
I would encourage anyone to do this diet, stick with it, even on those hard days or when your weight loss stalls – it will come off, just keep going, the results are great! 🙂
I will keep posting my progress. Thanks, Bre123.

Hi Bill, it’s amazing isn’t it? I would love to see the day that T2 is eradicated. My friend’s partner is T2 and totally resistant ‘too much effort’ ‘I can’t be bothered’. This is despite having a BSD meal round at my house where he did NOT fall into a diabetic coma. I printed off recipes from the mail and stuck them in a folder. I bought him the book. I made him some flatbreads to have instead of toast….. but no. Too much effort. He ‘knows what works for me’. That explains the diabetic comas then And the beginning of retinopathy. And the nervy tingling in the feet. Some people just will not help themselves 🙁

For all the sensible T2’s this is going to be a miracle!! A proper normal life to look forward to.

My son will be spreading the news as well – he’s seen what it has done for me. He was absolutely amazed at what it has done for you.

🙂 🙂 🙂 so happy

And Bill – me? Me? starting a new thread – what is happening in the world???

Hi everyone.

Yes, only diet that’s worked for me and is sustainable.

2.5 stone gone, BMI down from 40.9 to 34.3. Still a long way ( 3.5 to 4 stone) to go, but the journey has started 😃

Thanks for the advice. I took a look at what I was consuming carb wise and it had started to creep up so I’m back to keeping it under 50g per day. I have started losing again, although not at the previous rate but I am glad that I am no longer gaining!

The other thing I’ve noticed is that in the first week I found the diet really easy – no cravings or hunger or anything. But this week I have been struggling with feeling hungry and with craving carbs/chocolate/pastry etc. I have managed to resist but I just wondered if others experienced this, and if so when the cravings start to decrease?

Great news 😃

As we show the professionals our results, surely they must acknowledge that it works! Then it can be rolled out to more patients so more folk can benefit.

Is ‘t it great to be in at the start of all this 😃

Great news Judith
You know, it sounds like the message may just be starting to get through.
Can you imagine the day when T2D is erradicated ?
Now THAT would be what you call a medical breakthrough.

Hi ON Phone, Mrs Crimbo, vjc, I think we all feel the same!! Only diet which has worked for me. Almost 2 and half stones gone, as my GP said today now a very normal BMI of 22.4. I’m over the moon! 🙂

Hi Linda, the odd day at 600 should not be a problem but5 as this is an 8 week diet I would try to get closer to 800 if I were you – that’s just a personal opinion – not a medical or scientific one. If you are up to 900 calories some days and down to 600 some others it should level out 🙂

Your story could have been mine 🙂 Tried everything/foodie/no snacks but overeat at meals etc
So far, I feel so much more positive than I ever have about this approach and feeling really optimistic about it. Feels great to lose some kilos and anticipate a different way ahead

OP

Hi folks, roughly three weeks ago I had my asthma review and my asthma nurse was very impressed with my weight loss and well being since I started the BSD. She noted the name of the book and this website to pass the information to diabetic relatives. Today my GP was impressed and wrote down the title of the book so she could buy copies for herself and her mother.

At this rate of interest among the medical profession we may see it getting recommended to patients before too much longer!!!

Happy days!! Lives saved from years of misery!!

Some days my calories are around
600 is this ok

Hi
I’m in week two and slowed down also. Keep up the great changes you’re making!

OP

Hi FDF 🙂
Sorry to hear you haven’t had the immediate change you’d hoped for.
Maybe you could check your carb levels on Nutrition Section of My Fitness Pal to see if you’re keeping it to about 50g (from memory I think that’s the recommended level ???)

OP

Weight loss needs strong will power and determination.

What is this all about ?

Thanks Sunny B! Love the support 🙂

Great news Snow-White. Keep up the good work 😃

Or my Spiraliser? Or coconut flour? I’ve bought both gram flour and coconut flour but sadly have yet to try them. Keep meaning to make the flatbread. Perhaps later!

Yep she is on Melbourne St, North Adelaide… Natalie Giles… I actually had my appt with her first…. and then found Michaels stuff… amazed me. She spoke openly about what is not known… what is commonly believed and what is still being hotly argued at conferences… gave me gram amount of fats carbs and proteins to aim for…. Most honest and open health professional I have come across for a long time….

In a former life I was a Mental health Nurse Practitioner, Midwife and Emergency Psychiatric assessor on a Mental health Liaison team, worked with loads of amazing Medicos across all disciplines and made some great friends, but she was right up there in my estimation.

Thanks everyone for the support!

Weighed in this morning after 4 full days and I’ve lost 2lb. Had hoped for more but better than putting on, and I only have a stone to lose so probably not bad 🙂 Also lost 5% body fat, so happy with that.

My average carbs over the last 4 days have been 60, so I should maybe try to get that down a bit to make a difference, although my FBS was in single figures (just) today for the first time in a long time 🙂

Good luck everyone and keep up the good work x

Hi Bre123

Welcome to the over the 8 week club 😃

Congratulations on your results so far. They’re great. Lots of us are staying on this 8 week plan longer term. I still have another 3.5 – 4 stone to lose so am staying with this, apart from holidays.

Come and join us on the ‘over the 8 week line and after’ thread on this forum, and keep posting your progress.

Enjoy your holiday 😊

Maybe a bag of gram flour in the suitcase could help solve a couple of problems ?

Hi not so Fatty and Hashimoto,
Yes the weather here has been completely crazy. So hot and humid for weeks. Then overnight it changed. Had to get a jumper out today lol. Have to admit it was a shock last night. Went to bed covered by a sheet (fruitless attempt to keep mossies away), woke up shivering and had to find the quilt in the night.
NSF your endocrinologist sounds like a gem, really up to date with the latest research. Your experience is so different from many people on here who have ignorance or opposition to the diet when they bring the subject up. Great results on your blood sugar results so far 🙂

Hi Funkydoofamily. The weight loss has to start eventually if you are sticking to the 800 calories and following the rules regarding the types of food you are eating. I found the more water I could drink, the better the weight loss (about 3 litres a day) – it’s tiresome drinking the water but it is a great help and at least the weather is getting a little warmer.
I ate porridge oats or full fat natural yoghurt with seeds for breakfast, a big colourful salad with protein (tuna, prawns, chicken, eggs, feta) for lunch and then a protein and veg based dinner – calorie breakdown 200, 300, 300 approx. as that worked best for my lifestyle. Linseed seeds are also excellent if you suffer with a little constipation – I mixed them with my yoghurt. I record everything I eat, the amount and calories to keep track and I try to plan for the week ahead so I’m prepared for the days ahead.
I’m sure if you keep going the weight will come off – good luck, and let us know how you get on.

My 8 weeks are up today and I am very happy to announce that I have lost 25 pounds in that time and 5 inches from my waist measurement as well as 4 inches off my chest and 3 inches off my hips. I’ve gone down 2-3 dress sizes as well. I had my blood taken this morning and will get the results of my fasting glucose levels and HbA1c on Monday – I’m really hoping that they have fallen into the normal range.
I plan to carry on eating the same way but not calorie counting for the next two weeks as I’m on holiday but then I will return to the 8 week plan as I still have 2 stone to loose – ironically, I lost 25lb in 8 weeks and prior to that it took me 18 months to loose the first 28.5lbs that I lost. This is definitely the best diet ever! It is so motivating to loose the weight so quickly and other than the odd day of hunger, a little light-headedness and headache very early on, I’ve felt fab – energised, better concentration and no bloating (no bad period symptoms either which I always had previously).
I would encourage anyone to do this diet, stick with it, even on those hard days or when your weight loss stalls – it will come off, just keep going, the results are great! 🙂

I’ve been on 800 calories a day since Sunday. Been charting everything in my fitness pal app. 2 kids so out and about walking on school run/walk 3x a day. Feeling tired but finding this all easy. But just weighed in and no change 🙁 was 14.1 stone and pretty much the same today. What am I doing wrong? I’m carrying on though! need to as Pre-diabetic and have diverticulosis and endometriosis so it will help with all that. Any tips?

Thought I’d posted this earlier, but it’s completely disappeared!

Last night I booked flights to Italy in June, staying with friends.

I’ve told them I can’t eat pasta, pizza and bread – so they now think I have celiac disease, and told me their shops sell gluten free foods. Answered not to worry about that, I’m happy with meat, fish and cheese 😳

Imagine – telling an Italian you can’t eat pizza and pasta 😱

Bit complicated food wise because my friend is on a strict eating regime for another medical condition and I’ve normally just fitted in, eating pizza, bread and the occasional pizza. But also meat, cheese and salad.

Methinks a trip to the local shops will be in order – Parma ham and Gorgonzola. Yummie.

Thanks Bill

One thing we learn is that ‘one size fits all’ does not, in fact ‘fit all’. Whether it be clothes, medications or diets – or anything else.

I had spotted that post earlier but you responded before I could. Sorry you were attacked – you don’t deserve or need that.

Thanks for all your support on here. It’s much appreciated. 😃

Not me lynne
you have vast experience with your condition and have learned over the years how to deal with it, I have known several people who suffered from clinical depression, some could cope with it very well, others just fell to pieces, it’s such an individual thing.
The OP on there didn’t seem to be coping very well which prompted me to ask if this diet, knowing it can cause mood swings, was suitable for her.
I did revisit the post last night just to look and she had fully supported the one who went for my throat so maybe I was wrong, or she prefers the sympathetic approach. Can’t get it right all the time but the statement I can’t stop eating bad things got to me. Food doesn’t just materialise in your mouth, you have to make a concious decision to fetch it, unwrap it, and eat it. I thought if she could see the reasons why she was doing it, she may be able to stop.

Isn’t it great to rediscover those bones that have been well hidden for years. 😃

Here’s to rediscovering more lost bones 😃

I’m with you Cherrianne. I’m in my second notebook since starting the BSD. Recording food eaten, fasting BG, other test results from GP/nurse. Even now bought BP monitor and recording that.

As you say, keeps me out of mischief 😃 – and provides evidence for the medics !

The ‘d’ word has again been mentioned so I hope nobody objects to me speaking very personally for a moment. Grab a coffee, and settle down. Are you sitting comfortably? Then I’ll begin.

I have suffered from clinical depression on and off for much of my life, including post-natal depression. I have taken many different antidepressants with varying degrees of success.

Some time ago a book was published ‘Potatoes not Prozac’ so I followed the dietary advice given there. Well, it did seem to make sense. At the time. Eat starchy carbs and you won’t need the tablets.

A big learning curve for me (please remember I am speaking about my body, not anyone else) was that I know the quirks of my body better than any medical professional.

There were some antidepressants that worked for me, ok there were foods you cannot eat while taking them but that was never a problem for me – they worked. Then the new generations of pills came out. All I will say about them is that the side-effects were worse than the depression for me.

The last few times I’ve visited a GP with depression I’ve been asked what works for me, and I’ve told them – guess what? They refuse to prescribe what works.

Fast forward to the BSD. Since starting this back in December I have noticed a positive difference in my mood. I seem to be more the ‘real me’. The me who laughs at almost anything and is a giggler. Things that would have irritated me and completely stressed me out are now shrugged off.

Those of us on here who are diabetics know that ‘one size’ does not fit all, and the same seems to be true of depression. But this has been my experience.

Like many of us, treating myself as an experiment, I find out what works for me. I don’t think I have recorded everything so carefully for such a long time as I have with the BSD. My diabetes nurse was impressed originally, but last time I saw her she laughed at my notebook😱. I’m in notebook 2 now LOL. I write down everything I eat, my fasting bloods and test results. Note to self: must ask nurse for last test results just before I started BSD for comparison. Thanks to folk on here I bought a BP monitor do I can keep an eye on that at home. Something else to record in my little book. (No, it’s not a little black book – it’s purple 😃). Not that I’m a control freak you understand 😱

If you’ve read this far, sorry for the long post. Just wanted to put my experience on record and hope it may help someone else. Hope it hasn’t upset or offended anyone.

Ok. That’s it folks.

Pleased you found something that works Matrika. I have the app on my phone (it was pre installed) but never use it although I do from time to time check my pulse on a different app.
Good luck on counting the calories but don’t forget to keep an eye on those carbs.

LMAO
I opened this one with some trepidation !
Fancy seeing those bones start to reappear, amazing isn’t it
I found the same with the six pack I’ve been hiding for years, just to prevent peer jealousy you understand 😉
It’s slowly creeping out of it’s hiding place.

Well, the SHealth app has been fabulous for counting calories for me works really well and am loving that it records my steps as well. I know for sure now I am well within the limits and am just going to measure my calories in the app and not try to stick with the recipes in the book.
They give a great starting point but I don’t think they intend for everyone to stick to their recipes.

I intend to compare the calories and breakdown of food with another set of information somewhen sometime soon, in the meantime, I’m not fussed if there are differences in the quantities…it seems inevitable to me becasue the food supply from country to country varies so much, there would be no universal constant measure of calories would there?

Best of luck to everyone struggling with this calorie question.
I’m totally converted to the app approach, find it brilliant and easy to use which is what I was wanting.
Thanks again DarwinResearcher and everyone. 🙂

Loll it was meant to be tummy wodge which I confess I loved and stole from someone else on here! Anyway hopefully there will be less of it soon.

SunnyB is right, in the book Michael says sugar free fluids so enjoy your green tea.

I found a strange thing when I was lying on my side.ITS A BONE, my thigh bone which I haven’t felt for years. Ok it still has a liberal covering but I can feel it, likewise my pelvis which admittedly has an even more liberal covering. Feeling encouraged even though actual weight loss is only down a kilo this week.

Wow we have an awesome threesome on our hands 🙂
lily lozza and mrscrimbo, well done to you all.
Keep posting your results, you are all inspiring others to a new healthy lifestyle, so in helping yourselves, you are making a huge contribution to other folks well being.

Be great to see you joining in Liz, your experiences will only add to the growing amount of information available to people joining here.
Just to put a full stop to this. my post to that girl wasn’t meant to pressurise her or belittle her in any way.
I was trying to get her to think about the reasons why she was eating those things, if you know why, you’re on the path to stopping.
It’s just like parenting skills, sometimes if a kid is doing something they shouldn’t, a kind word or a hug can have the desired results. Other times you need to take a slightly firmer approach and get them to think about what they are doing.
At the time I posted, I didn’t realise she had come off anti depressants, which raises another question.
This diet does cause light headedness and mood swings,it has been reported on here several times, it’s possibly not the best path for someone who suffers from depression, and I’m not generalising here, but it won’t suit some people.
I’ve left the group rather than cause any more upset over their, I wish them the best and I look forward to your future posts.

Oh evie no need to be upset
If you had lost 2 kg at any other time you would be ecstatic.
As Cherrianne says, you have had that initial fast 1st week weight loss, now your body is realising what’s going on and is readjusting and fighting back.
Once you switch from burning carbs to burning fat you will feel much better and the weight and blood sugar will start going down again.
You are doing everything right, it’s just your body acting like a spoiled child, stamping it’s feet and screaming I want carbs.