Hi all,

Well said everyone and I reported it too.

Posted by maddy733 on delurkng😀
Hi Guys, Love this title. I am guilty of this but as a newbie was apprehensive of joining in. Well I am eight days in and so excited, I am pre diabetic and really over weight by about four stone, it sounds terrible when seeing it written down😡 Good news 9lbs lost in week one. It has really helped reading all your posts, thanks guys. Did any of you get scolded for daring to eat so few calories. Well I have been able to say now well I am not hungry, but did feel very light headed but that has gone now. Good l luck to us all.

Hi, after reading a very kind reply from Bill1954 in another thread I have been thinking about trying to reduce the amount of sugar my children eat. I am happy for them to have sweets and cakes and even soft drinks as an occasional treat, but I am struggling with some of the every day products, in particular yoghurt, biscuits, bread and breakfast cereal. If anyone knows of lower sugar versions available in the UK I would be most grateful to hear. I have searched google and my local shops, but many ‘low sugar’ kids products are actually full of agave syrup or honey or something else. Many of those on the internet are only available in the US. Or if you know of a good way of making the adult versions of these products a little more palatable that would be good to know too. I could wean them off it gradually.

I don’t want any artificial sweeteners – apart from not knowing the health risks they pose my aim is to get them used to less sweet food.

Yoghurt: the kids products seem very high in sugar, but at least they are small so the total sugar is sometimes lower than an adult pot. My children won’t eat natural yoghurt. I have tried adding fruit, but haven’t had much success.

Any reasonable low sugar biscuit would be much appreciated. I give them mini gingerbread men now which are aimed at much younger children, but at least they are small so total sugar is low, but it isn’t getting them away from the habit.

They don’t like porridge even with added honey. Any ideas how to make it more fun? Or thoughts on other breakfast cereal that is least bad?

If brown bread has too much sugar and not enough fibre, has anyone come across a reasonable bread that might be palatable to modern children? Wholegrain rye bread was a step too far!

Low sugar ice creams should be easy to find but I can’t – nearly all the emphasis is on low fat. Any ideas?

Any advice much appreciated – it doesn’t have to be perfect merely better than we have now.

Hi Proodles from another newbie 🙂

I’m in week 2 and can’t believe how good I’m feeling.

Such sad news captainlynne, but I’m glad you hear you’re feeling better today. Sounds like you coped really well food-wise – good for you!

Thank you SunnyB, we are both very happy. We are encouraging my husband’s brother who lives in NZ to ‘get on board BSD’ too, he has a couple of stone to lose as well. We have told him about this forum, as he lives on his own, we think he’d benefit from the online support and help everyone gives each other, which I find so heartwarming.

We have a thread running on here called ‘weigh in’. I don’t think there is anywhere else on the site just yet.

Hi Bill, and here’s me thinking my name was a bit unusual!! Yes please, I would send you mine if I knew how!!! 🙂 I can’t find Lynne either! 🙂

Can I be your Facebook friend as well Bill?

Well done to both of you – isn’t it wonderful that such change can be achieved so rapidly using the BSD? You must be over the moon FiFiP! Wobbles are okay and to be expected, it’s what happens the rest of the time that really matters – as you have proved. Keep in there and see what else you can achieve.

Hi Hargsi
Pleased to see it’s starting to work for you.
As mentioned, check the total carb contents of your 2 shakes and the other food that you would normally eat in a day.
You need the carb content to be around or below 50g to get the best out of the diet although I worry that you may not be eating enough fat. Are you keeping an eye on that too ?

I am new to the BSD and the book suggests I can keep a record on the website of my progress… Can anyone tell me where I can find it?! Thank you!

Hi Judith
I did look on FB for you but there are a few with your name on there so I didn’t want to contact the wrong one.
If you like I can mail you my FB id

Very well said and well done Sunnyb 🙂

Hey Hargsi
Big congrats on the long awaited result – bet you’re really chuffed. Let us know how you get on over Easter, it will be interesting to see if al diet less reliant on shakes works for you.
Have a good Easter break – and not too many choccies!

Lost 2lbs in a week, now weigh less than I have for 12 years, am over the moon. My husband has had to tighten his belt by 4 notches so we might well have to go shopping for some new jeans! We both have had a couple of wobbles when going out, but are determined to stick with it.

Welcome to the BSD clan Proodles
The forum is an excellent support and has helped to carry me through when I’ve been struggling. It sounds like you are focussed on the task ahead, but I’m sure like many of us, you will find this new way of eating much easier than you might think. We will all be keen to hear your news and results, so be sure to keep posting and like I said, if you need support, this is the place to come.

Good luck on achieving you goals, we’re all rooting for you.

Bill I totally agree with what you have said about the motive behind that post is being financially driven.

You have got to think there are some people out there who are concerned they will not make money if this way of living spreads like wildfire. The fact that they can be worried enough to plant negative posts suggests they believe it will. The old silver lining ?

We can’t let trolls like happyslappy (name says it all really) hijack the forum, so I too reported the post. Hopefully many others will too, because we need to send out the message loud and clear, that this behaviour is not wanted, not warranted and not acceptable. We are a support group and for the positive, so there is no place here for the negativity of trolls.

A question about posting: how does the linky thing (icon at top right of a post) work?

Oops, should have read ahead TWills63 😉

SkyWalker, I sooooo wish that would happen to me. Sadly, I know it doesn’t. I once went for over a year without anything sweet and I thought I’d be ok with ‘just a bite’ of good chocolate. Slippery slope, 50lb regained.

Aaaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh.

I think for me, I have to regard chocolate as an alcoholic regards alcohol – never safe.

Good to hear you are feeling stronger today captainlynne. Sorry yesterday was so tough for you, but you seem have come through the dark day and stepped back into the light. I know you will be offering support to your friend, so make sure to take care of yourself and use the BSD clan to sound off at when you need to.

Aly it’s lovely to hear you are back on track and seeing the results of your efforts 🙂

Wow lynne I reported it too, and thankyou again for your support. I was surprised when I saw the post and so pleased to see the rapid responses from Bill, Cherrieanne and yourself.

I would like to be facebook friends, it might be easier for you to find me as my surname is more unusual in the northeast 🙂

TWills63, I think you and I are the same with regards to chocolate!

Regarding your birthday meal, can you look at the menu ahead of time and work out a plan?

FoFi, I’ll keep your ideas in mind, thank you. But at the moment I’m not going to risk anything.

Thanks Bill. I have to say I didn’t feel alone because of the BSD family.

First thing yesterday I heard my friend’s mother has just been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. It hit me badly because I’d known someone with that disease only last year 😢

But I went out for a long wander to get my head back together and spent time with the BSD family.

Feelings not as raw today 😃 After all, not a lot I can do. Need to keep healthy to be strong for my friend.

Wow, cherrieanne you have the bit between your teeth too! It does sound more difficult in Australia, almost sounds like you need a pioneer like yourself in each state! Rock on girl 🙂

I decided to report happyslappy’s post as well.

Great news Bill

I keep telling the medics I don’t want to go on Metformin, that I can’t take statins and now that I want off the blood pressure meds.

All this talk of jeans! Can’t remember last time I wore jeans. Mmmm …. perhaps I should set myself a goal – to wear a pair of jeans 😃 In a small size, of course 😃

Happyyslappy, your post is remarkably similar to a previous poster’s who seemed to be pushing the same line; so similar a line I suspect you are the same person. For what reason would you sign up to a forum following this diet if you don’t have any belief in it, unless of course you had your own agenda.

If you bothered to read the information you would discover that this diet also works for diabetics who are TOFIs.

As. Cherrieanne has already said, you seem to be ignorant of the fact that Dr Mosley’s book is based on the work of Professor Taylor. Bill has questioned whether you are a member of the medical profession specialising in diabetes – I doubt you are too. Have you carried out years of clinical trials like Professor Taylor? I very much doubt it.

So please stop pouring scorn on something you clearly do not understand. There are people on these forums making enormous changes to their health and they do not need your negativity.

If Bill hadn’t reported your post I most certainly would have done.

Thanks Bill and Cherrieanne for replying to happyslappy’s post. I have just woken up and seen it.

Hi Lucia,
Well I’m not sure I can touch my toes but I can see them now at least! The changes I have noticed are quite odd, like I notice (and hubby noticed) my shoulders are thinner. Also I mentioned feeling the outline of a hip bone. Someone else mentioned boots and I too noticed my knee high boots were slacker around the calves. So not sure if it’s anyone’s desirable body image but thin shoulders and calves are a start. The wobbly tummy remains but I think there’s less of it, in fact it measures 4inches less than when I started .

Hi Guys
A few of us with more weight to lose are staying on the fast 800 until we reach target.
Lynne contacted the team about this and the reply was, if you are feeling good about it, then by all means stay on it for a few more weeks I’m thinking of looking at the 5:2 once I hit my initial target , I’ll probably stay low carb (50 – 70 grams per day) and increase the calories from extra fat. I think maybe 1200 cals / day should do it but that can be modified.
Once I hit final target, it will then be experimental on how I maintain it but the Med style of eating suits me anyway and that’s the way I think I will go.

Hi FoFi
you are the kind of person we all love to see,a non diabetic who is doing something to prevent it’s onset.
If only the message could be put across at school age about eating the right way, we could take massive steps towards making diabetes a thing of the past.
Knowledge is power, we need to get the message out to our kids to help them all to a brighter future.

Hi Proodles – nice to see you
now we want to see less and less of you each week.
Well done on the preparation, that should help with the carb withdrawal problems.
Enjoy your journey, you’re not alone.

Hi Cherrianne

Thanks for that. It makes sense, because I’ve had problems with shellfish for a long time, but never knew why. As for wine! Don’t drink alcohol at all now, but the last time I had wine was on a transatlantic flight and I didn’t know if I was dying or if I just wanted to!

Matrika, no I’m not diabetic, and hopefully if the weight keeps dropping I am less likely to become diabetic. I can see that those with a worse diagnosis than mine might be more motivated.

My cravings have calmed down quite a bit and I am going to point my finger at Diet Coke (presumably the aspartame). When I started Fast800, for the first four weeks I allowed myself one diet coke per day occasionally two, as I had always drunk it (possibly to excess), and I don’t drink tea or coffee. Over the last few weeks the number has crept up so that last week it was more like 3-4 drinks per day.

Anyway DC free since last Thursday and cravings for food have subsided again. I still long for things I can’t have, but not as strongly. So far none is easier to stick to than one.

Oh Lynne I’m so sorry you had to go through yesterday alone.
Especially when I think of all the kindness and support you have shown to me over the last few weeks.
Hoping everything works out for you
Loads of love

Bill

Thanks Grandma. It’s felt like being wrapped in a big hug so, yes, it has helped. 😃 A good (but too short) sleep and today is, as they say, another day 😃 . *wanders off, singing ‘Always look on the bright side of life’*

Way I see it there are loads of people most of whom we don’t even know exist, who come to these forums out of desperation.
They may not post, but on average only 20% of forum visitors do
For someone to come on here (and this is probably organised) to bad mouth the diet and try to crush peoples expectations for no other reasons than financial ones is the lowest form of internet behaviour in my eyes.

I am already sleeping better and feel generally better so I can see this works. My tummy is reducing too. This Saturday will be the end of week 3 with a blip in the middle and I am 9 pounds down from where I started. As I am still having a small amount of porridge with milk and honey for breakfast I am really pleased.
My younger sister who has been type 1 since the age of 5 has now developed heart problems. I will continue to talk about this way of eating.

Hi Libby.

I’ve got the same problem and googled it. Apparently some people do react in this way to vegetables 😱

Thanks for your restraint Bill, especially at breakfast time 😃

Looks like sulphites do it for me too 😱

Welcome proodles,
You will be so glad you started this new way of life. Expect great results fairly quickly. Your energy levels will increase and you’ve already discovered that your well being improves.
Can’t wait to hear how the journey unfolds for you

Hi, I have had a similar problem to Bill with sugar free sweets. I have eaten them in the past with little impact (except once when I ate two packets). But now a smaller quantity seems to be a larger problem. I don’t know if it is the lower carbohydrate or lower overall food intake. Most of my time on this diet I tend towards mild constipation.

Is there anything obvious you are eating like mints, prunes, etc?

Aly is back in da house !!!
Well done, now we all want to see you posting great weekly results.
We know you can do it. You know you can do it

Roll on next week. 🙂

Thanks Bill. Reported too.

Tell your GP to stick the Metformin where the sun don’t shine!
I’ve been taking them for a good time and they have never helped with my fasting readings. Same with gliclizide, I was on them for a few years until I refused to take them any longer as they made me feel so ill.
I have now dropped the exanatide injections and, after a blip, my levels are stabilising again and that is down to only one thing, the way I’m eating. I’m now on course to stop the metformin altogether and, today, have halved my dose.
You have made a brilliant start to this with a great weight loss.
Stop worrying too much about the sugar readings, they will sort themselves out over the next few weeks.

Thank you so much Libby and SunnyB for your replies.
I’m big on following rules so I have been slavishly following Michael Mosley’s guidance on pages 128 / 129 as to how to use shakes, but unfortunately he doesnt specify what shakes. But maybe it doesn’t matter (though I would be interested Libby to know where you got your sachets as I have been using those pre-prepared in bottles) because today I weighed myself again and have lost 2 kg and 1/2 inch of my waist! Why do we do this to ourselves? And how can our bodies fluctuate so much??
So today I am feeling so much more positive, though with Easter approaching I am also going to take up Sunny B’s suggestion and eat real food over the Easter period and hopefully the combination will keep me going in the right direction.
Thank you both for spurring me on.

Lots of horse meat sold in Italy too. Not tried it yet.