Hi Charlie
How did it go today?
Penny

Hi GofH
In order to find the thread ‘useful links’:
Scroll to the top of these posts, choose see ‘forums Fast 800’, chose ‘Fast800’, see the list of threads. Chose ‘useful links’
I must say, GofH, you stay so cheerful with all your health challenges. Now you’ve told us about your Indian friend, I can see how you do it. I will try it myself. I think also in the rich world we re surrounded by images of ‘life without the hardships, ‘ in the media, films, TV etc, as though it can always be like that. But it’s not and can’t be. I remember years ago being in North Africa and seeing people with serious disabilities amongst the crowds and being struck by how we hide that reality from ourselves, with people hidden away.
Keep on keeping on!
Penny

I totally agree Bill1954. I am not pre-diabetic myself but I am overweight so I need this diet to get me back on track so that I never have to worry about diabetes.

Hi TFTR
If you scroll up to the top of these posts you will find ‘forums Fast 800’. If you tap on Fast 800 you will get a list of the threads. Then choose ‘useful info’.
Re water. I think it’s really necessary to log it. I draw 5 glasses and 5 cups in my notebook and cross them off throughout the day. That’s 2.8 litres. I think you won’t achieve that without logging somehow.
Re ‘ permitted’ carbs ie brown rice and porridge I think Michael means very small amounts. But as you’re having a problem I would suggest not having them at all and see what happens.
Re exercise- that’s really difficult for you with that condition. Forgive me if this is naive- could you take painkillers just in order to exercise ?
Please don’t give up! With all our help and ideas you ll get there!
Penny

Thanks for the heads up Fi, I’ll look out for the programme too. I felt the same as you two or three days in and found it difficult to work. But it seems to be passing now. I also found that having a coffee in the afternoon helped pep me up a lot. I have to watch my caffeine intake but I think a couple a week in the early afternoon might give me the energy to push through. All the best.

Maybe if the recipe really does need to be that runny, you could put them into muffin cases.

Starting off great on Monday and then on Wednesday starting feeling nauseous but managed OK and then yesterday did not feel great at all and took to my bed! Stuck with the diet though because I am actually enjoying the meals and (so far!) no cravings. Feeling great today and my skin is glowing so back to being positive. Went out and bought a book called ‘The Real Meal Revolution’ this morning – it was a bit expensive but I had some book vouchers still left from Christmas but I am sure you can get it on Amazon for cheaper. Nice recipes following the same food plan so will try some out. I also went into M&S to get some venison sausages (I know processed foods are not allowed but the venison sausages are quite meaty and I thought as long as I count the calories it should be OK but they didn’t have any – what they did have however was something called High Fibre Super Sausages (they have borlotti and cannellini beans in them) – had them for my lunch (2 sausages = 252 kcal) with some ratatouille. Delicious! That’s it – haven’t weighed myself yet as I only like to way once a week so will have to wait until Monday morning. My husband was worried about Sunday lunch but I said it was OK I can still cook a nice dinner but it will only be himself having the roast potatoes! Oh, one more thing, my mum said that there is a new programme starting all next week on BBC1 (after the morning news programme) with Gloria Hunniford who has been diagnosed with pre-diabetes and it seems that they will be discussing our diet amongst other things so should be interesting – have already set the recorder as I will be at work!

Wise words, Auntylil. It’s interesting how your mind set changes following this ‘diet’. Captainlynne talks about taking her own food to social occasions. I have done this in the past, but felt really resentful about not being able to eat what everyone else is eating. Now I embrace the fact that I am eating healthily, and making a difference to my life, and almost feel sorry for everyone else! I am working on not seeing food as treats, but not quite there yet. I am still having one small square of dark chocolate after my evening meal, ‘as a treat’, and sometimes a small cup of cocoa made with almond milk and sweetened with xylitol. I know that if I can have these, life is still worth living. I shouldn’t need them, though, and it is as though I need to hang on to my sweet tooth. Oh how I would love to be rid of it completely!!

Yes, Bill, you and I are fortunate. But it is still hard work on our parts. Last night my blood sugars suddenly shot up indicating an inflamed pancreas. I needed to stay up quite late to constantly test to see how they were faring. Unfortunately they stayed up and I am now on elevated prednisone to handle the emergency (or i would end up in the hospital with full blown, life-threatening pancreatitis – been there, don’t want to do that a third time). The second time this has happened in the dieting process. Now it will be no fat, high simple carbs (still 800 calories) and i’ll likely be hungry as a goat. You can have the food in the frig, i’ll eat the door! It will not be an easy few days. And my blood pressure won’t stay up (Addison’s disease adrenal insufficiency)- so off to the endocrinologist for another medication to keep it up, lol. Assuming i can stand up without fainting. (An interesting by-product of the diet – i’m guessing my veins and arteries are getting cleaned out!) So salty miso soup, extra meds, etc and waiting before I try standing up.
So, folks, we all have our difficulties. But I tested Dr. Mosley’s theories and conclusions and the program works. Maybe for some, it is better to try it one or two days a week, to get an idea and then go for it. I’m re-reading the book and find more nuggets each time and see how they apply to my situation. Wishing you all well.

Janet1973 Yeah that’s old advice and still being used by some health professionals.
This diet is a new way of thinking and after seeing the results that are being posted here on a daily basis, who the hell can argue that this is wrong ?

Auntylil, I think we are singing from the same defiant, greedy, rewarding ourselves hymn sheet! Thank you for such an excellent post.

Well said Auntylil. From being taken to the shops for sweets after visits to the dentist (!) over 50 years ago, to the post-weigh in ‘treat’ after whichever slimming club meeting I had just attended, some foods were classed as ‘treats’.

Now my treats are experimenting with new foods, taking the time to explore supermarkets to find something that feels like a treat but is low-carb, and taking time for me (not always easy as I am in one of the caring professions). Even taking my own food to social occasions in case there is nothing I can eat available. Because I am so less irritable since ditching the carbs, any comments about what I’m eating don’t irritate me 😃

Well done Mike

Welcome Mrsjaffa13. 😃

Hi Paul

Sorry I don’t have the starting BP (only get it checked at GP. Been on meds for high BP for years (Bendroflumethiazide and Candersartan) which was keeping it under control.

After about a month on this BP was 117/87. Two weeks later it was 119/70, which the nurse said was low!

Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

Thanks guys, I’ll have a play about and see what works best. I train 2 days a week so on those days it might be better for me to have 2 meals rather than just 1. I suppose it’s all a case of trial & error 🙂

If I know where I’m going I check out the menu online, so can decide beforehand what I’ll eat. Think most of those do salads (ask for dressing on the side). Cafe Rouge may do poultry or meat with veg, not sure – a long time since I ate there! Not sure about Giraffe. A quick check online should help.

Welcome Mrsjaffa13! No one minds anything here – it’s very supportive and open. We look forward to joining your journey and have you help with ours 🙂

Welcome to the forums Mrsjaffa13
Stick with this diet, it will work for you.
If you need any help or advice just ask, there are loads of people at different stages of the journey that you are embarking on. Their experiences will give you a lift if you feel down as some do. Although none of us are experts, we are all going through the same thing and there is a real community spirit growing here.

Hi everyone, am a newbie just starting and have loved reading all your messages which are really motivating. Am needing to lose 2 stone most of which is round my middle and am higher risk of diabetes due to giving hubby a kidney! Put the weight on in last couple of years so need to reverse it and love the science behind this diet truly refreshing. hope you don’t mind me joining , you all sound very determined and in for the duration so hope I can be part of your journey and you of mine. 😀

I’m pretty sure you would absolutely need calories, even specifically carbs, on those days. Your body would need energy that is easy to access and burn, and I believe carbs are good for that – you won’t be storing them as fat if you’re being that active!

It makes me think of the fat vs sugar Horizon programme with the van Tulleken twins, where they cycle up a hill, and Chris (who was eating carbohydrates) fared much better.

Hi,

Anyone got any experience of endurance type exercise whilst on the BSD.

My hobby is Munro Bagging … as an example … a few weeks ago our walking club climbed Ben Ledi in the snow. A 6 hour walk with a climb of around 800m. My fitbit said that I used 4500 calories that day (probably an understatement as I was carrying rucksack / crampons / ice axe / flask of tea etc). This was typical for winter but we’ll soon be ramping up for longer walks as the days get longer. Usually 8 to 12 hours in the summer.

Just started the BSD today and I’m worried about the 800 calorie intake when I hit the mountains. Anyone got any experience or advice? Will my body cope or should I take extra calories on these days? I don’t think the mountain rescue guys will be too impressed if they have to carry me off the mountains.

BTW … joining a hill walking is a great way to exercise.

Thanks,
Martin

I never eat breakfast so stick to 2 meals a day and it has done me no harm at all.
The only small problem I can evisage is, as your sugar levels go down, you may be at risk of a hypo at times.

Hi there. Since day 1 (6 weeks ago), I’ve split my meals into two – a breakfast of fresh fruit, oats and nuts/seeds (about 230 calories), then have an orange early afternoon, followed by the remainder of my calories between 6-7pm. I found that this is a good way to split the calories, at least for me anyway.

Hi Paul,

I’m not a medical practitioner but a few comments …

1. BP measurements are notoriously fickle … even talking whilst you’re having your BP taken can give a false reading. Suspect that your resting BP is correct … ie … not the readings after exercise. Best to have it checked regularly at your GP and try to correlate their readings with yours.

2. Those readings look really high to me.

3. I read somewhere that an irregular heartbeat can cause big fluctuations in BP. Might be worthwhile asking your GP about this.

4. Biggest impacts on BP are salt intake and body mass. So pretty sure that this diet will help.

Hope that this helps.

Regards
Martin

Hi All, apologies if this has already been covered but, do you have to split the 800 cals between meals or can you just have 1 large meal? I’ve been following the original 5:2 and usually have all my calories at tea time, was wondering if I could/should do the same here. x

Well said auntylil, this thing about walking naked in the middle of winter, I’m reliably informed that the Finns make a habit of this and then they hit each other with sticks !!!
Each to their own, I don’t think I’ll be volunteering to buddy up on that. 😀

TO ANY ONE WHO HAS 5 MINS TO SPARE…

A few words about where I’m coming from… and I probably need to be open minded more but this is where I’ve arrived so far.

People can make changes – that’s not changing personality but habits because habitual behaviour makes us feel safe (like rituals) but we get stuck there even when we accept it is not doing us good, no matter how logical/rational the reasons. So that’s number one, everyone can make changes and we are doing that here in respect of carbs, calories and sugar. Lots of people are talking about this here and how they are learning not to berate themselves if they have some relapses.

Number 2, the psychologists/psychiatrists/counsellors/therapists/doctors are just the same as us, and Dr Mosley is generous enough to share his personal story with us. Most of them want to help and we fight them often don’t we? Plus they make us dependent on chemicals because they haven’t known about sugar etc. I know some doctors are unhelpful, ignorant etc but mainly they want to heal. We can educate them too.

3. We have our own ‘scripts’ but again we can change our behaviour. By believing then accepting that if you don’t make changes (ie. sugar is a poison, cigarettes, booze, going for a walk naked in the middle of winter!) ask yourself why are you hanging on to that behaviour. You will have reasons and you might need help changing it if it’s ingrained. Will power alone may not do it. Fear of letting go of habitual behaviour can feel very scary, so we may get defensive, stubborn, angry etc. If it feels like walking off a cliff seek help for goodness sake for the emotional stuff as it’s very powerful.

Another thing I know for sure is that being kind and gentle to oneself when feeling vulnerable and fragile, and that extends to others, is brilliant and that’s where success lies. Once I was fat, fair and forty and had to have my gall bladder removed, why I wonder did I continue for the next couple of decades to gorge on sugary stuff? My script was to be defiant, greedy, reward myself, become a foul mouthed old banshee if challenged. I’m still a bit of one of those but I am changing my behaviour and I feel pretty good about it. Hope you will.

This reply may be too late for you, but… you can always ask restaurants to prepare you something simple or to omit something off a meal. You can get them to grill you a piece of fish and steam some veg. If they are a proper restaurant they will do this. Even if you can’t get a piece of fish you could have some steak or something.

Doesn’t mean you can’t still enjoy it!

I’ve not tried any of the recipes as I always tend to do my own thing. (Two of my meals per day need to be easily constructed the night before, thrown into Tupperware, then eaten cold at work.) That said, were I to follow any, I would calculate my own calories as I went – and check everything.

Bill1954
I follow your logic right up until where we realise that the things we refer to as ‘carbs’ – pasta, potatoes, bread, etc – are actually just sugars and these are the things diabetics are told to eat.

The reason for the high amount of eggs is that coconut flour absorbs loads of moisture and has no raising agents.
The eggs help the products to rise as well as stopping them being crumble

I’ve decided to cut out one of the Exanatide injections starting Monday and then take it from there.
Hopefully the Metformin will follow and soon I can be drug free.

Aliba that’s fantastic !!!
You hit the nail right on the head when you said it’s a way of life now, hand on heart I’ve never felt hungry or craved for anything sweet since I started this diet (apart from my grandsons birthday, there was this cake you see, but my wife talked me out of having any by telling me how proud she was of me for sticking with this), and I just don’t see any way I would want to go back to eating the way I did before.
It’s not just the lowered sugar or weight loss either, it’s the complete package, I’m sleeping better, feel far less stressed, and generally happier than at any time I can remember.
Someone tried to wind me up yesterday by leaving a box of crispy creme doughnuts on my desk.
I just took them back, smiled sweetly, and said just the one word…. Pathetic 🙂

Thanks Celsa, I’m going to give it a go starting on Monday (cos that’s the law isn’t it?). Not sure I’ll do a full 8 weeks, but coincidentally I go on hols in 8 weeks…think I’ll do the 800cal thing until my weight’s down where it should be & then adjust. My other half is Spanish so you’d think the M diet would be easy but he’s a total carb fiend! If it’s white, sweet or stodgy he loves it (probably explains why he’s with me!)

Having a bit of a celebration! Have just been to have bloods done….lovely health care assistant who is already recommending the 5:2 to people and was really interested in the results of BSD. Will get blood results in 2 weeks so fingers crossed. My BP was so good she checked it again!!!
I thought my weight loss had slowed so hadn’t weighed for a few days but when I stepped on her scales I had lost a total of 12 pounds in three weeks on the 800.
Have dropped 22lbs since I last saw her in May and 30lbs since I got my fit bit last January (it just gave me a certificate)
Feeling amazing, got into a size 16 dress yesterday and haven’t done that since 1989.
2 stone to go and I will be normal weight for my size
Have tried every diet in the world but this is a way of life now!
Good luck to you all and stick with it believe me I haven’t been a saint on this but the kind of food I eat or don’t eat has completely changed

It’s great isn’t it Cherrianne, all these people passing on their tips and recipes to each other.
I just wish that this had all happened 20 years ago, I wouldn’t be in the state I am now if it had.

peanutbutty – I’ve just come across this thread and read your opening entry. I love everything about it! From being ‘giddy with sugar’ to ACCEPTING. Fabulous!

Hold on a minute
This is the 8 week blood sugar diet aimed mainly at diabetics !
If you are diabetic then you should already have it engrained in every fibre of your being – don’t eat sugar – it can kill you.
If you’re non diabetic, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to stick to the same mantra – too much sugar is dangerous.

Jane H
Btw, I do love these forums, they have definitely made this first week a lot more fun and they are very motivating. Auntylil was the first person I ‘met’ here and we seem to have hit it off which is great as I’ve been told before that I don’t always play nice with the other kids. But please, feel free to join in with the chat whenever you want. Have a great day!

Thanks for that Bill. I have happily eaten spinach pakoras without too much effect on my blood sugars and they are made with chick pea flour in the batter. I cook with chick peas often and add tinned ones to my salads. I also make loads of hummus cos my kids devour it by the bowlful. So reading the high carb content of the flour was a bit of a surprise. I guess if the body processes the carbs in it more slowly then it’s safe for me to use in moderation.
I am very sensitive to even brown rice and whole grain wheat breads because their carb content causes quite a big increase in my blood sugar. The dietician had told me it was good to keep eating them, but it isn’t.
Every day on this diet, and on reading the posts here, I learn more about managing the diabetes than I have in the two years since I was diagnosed.

I don’t think I have ever had goji berries but I bet I wouldn’t like them either! I’m sure your weight gain is nothing to worry about, its probably water retention from that cheeky voddy or maybe just part of your natural hormonal cycle. There is no way it is fat though because you simply haven’t consumed enough to create a pound of fat overnight. It will be back off tomorrow I bet. I almost forgot about your squat news. Did you really only do one? Or are we talking about different things? Or have you tried for two yet?? Anyway, well done, anything is better than nothing!

So I’m chuffed I have lost 4 and half pounds this week. That’s way more than I ever lose in a week and it brings my total for 2016 up to half a stone. So just another stone and a half to go then! I’ve decided to grow my own lettuce and rocket this year. I’m not really green fingered but I reckon they should be fairly easy to grow and eat as I was put off bagged salad from the shops when I heard what their version of ‘washed’ means.

Btw my falafel last night was bloody gorgeous!
Have a great day.

Hi Jane H, I’m a week into the bsd and 4 and half pounds lighter which, for me, is just amazing. But I’m the same as you (I think there are probably millions of us actually). I have been known to binge eat, for example the entire easter egg and contents in one sitting, a whole battenburg cake, an entire packet of biscuits, I could go on. I don’t really have the answer as to why I did it, I just wanted to. Sometimes I have done that after a great weigh-in so its not just depression that makes me do it. For me though, I have had to learn to forgive myself and move on. Tomorrow is always a new opportunity, and as you say, so is today. I will say this though; after a week on the bsd, it is the easiest diet I have ever done and I have lost more weight this week than I have done on weight watchers for the first 6 weeks of this year. There is chocolate in my fridge and it has never once occurred to me that I might like some. I have been very happy with some fruit and yoghurt and some days I don’t even bother with that. Like you say, small, tentative steps…

Morning, it’s day 5 for me. I’ve had another bad nights sleep – restless and dreaming of cakes (no joke! Lol) the past 4 days I’ve been fine, felt ok and actually really alert. …. but this morning I feel terrible- shaky and weak. I’ve done many detoxes in the past, at least once a year and I always sleep badly on them all so that’s no different but I was not expecting to feel so rough today. I made myself a smoothie for breakfast with raw cacao and banana for a bit of a boost to see if it helps so here’s hoping. I have had an Epsom salt bath and it’s helped. I’m glad I’m not working today or I’d really be struggling 🙁
On the plus side I’ve been really good and stuck to the plan 100% (within the guidelines but doing my own recipes) I definitely have lost weight but I don’t know how much. I’m writing this as a heads up to people that this may not be a smooth ride but it’s not impossible- hang in there! . Someone on fb has told me they felt this way yesterday so I feel better reading that. I’m now tucked up in bed with the tv remote and my fizzy water- bliss!

Hi guess what .? I’m exactly the same weight as you , so let’s compare notes , I’m doing a 5km walk twice a week an I’m mobile in work all day I have lost 1.5 stone but now slowed up again , was 18 stone now hovering around 16 5 , doing the 800 a day , 4 weeks into diet

On the whole, olive oil is better for cooking at lower temps – at high heat it can degrade and so lose its benefits and arguably then become ‘unhealthy’. There are other oils that can cope with higher temperature – nut oils or canola. If you read wok frying recipes – which are at a very high temp – they are unlikely to suggest olive oil.

Extra Virgin can be used for cooking, but is probably a bit of a waste of money – keep this for salads and stuff and use bog standard olive oil if you’re going to throw it in a frying pan 🙂

I’ve seen a few people on these forums mention the improvement with acid reflux. Mine disappeared overnight. No big surprise – I know I have it when I eat crap and don’t when I don’t! That said, I hadn’t specifically made the link with starchy carbs, but there does seem to be a connection.

I prefer to look at all the folk in the Med countries that I have visited over the years and who use olive oil much more than us.
They don’t seem to have anything seriously wrong with them so I will believe that rather than some research found on the internet and probably sponsored by a food company.

I’m not diabetic either, just a bit overweight, and I read the book and started eating the Mediterranean style diet and the weight has been dropping off very steadily (3.7kg since 29/01. BMI now 27.2). I don’t count calories because I don’t have the patience for it, and I’m not aiming for 800 calories a day anyway, but just cutting out refined starchy carbs and eating more veg and full fat dairy instead seems to be the big difference. And the food keeps me fuller a lot longer (swapping my morning toast for an egg and tomato has been a huge help!) I rarely feel the need to snack. Also my nightly reflux, which seemed to be triggered by starches or sugars has almost completely gone.
I can’t be very active at the moment because of a foot injury, but once that’s sorted and I’m back to walking long distances and a bit of running I will up my carb intake a little for the calories I’ll need.

So, I recommend the book for the diet suggestions even if you’re not diabetic or prediabetic!

Ive always cooked with olive oil but recently become aware of information saying that it is harmful to health. Having browsed the web the information is contradictory so I am non the wiser. I assume that Michael Moseley is aware of the controversy and believes it to be safe to use given the dietary advice in his book. I would be very interested to hear people’s views. I hope to start the BSD diet next week.