Hows it going 1960? X

LUcia,The bread question… I would go for neither just now as havent eaten any bread for 16 days ! * shines up halo* 😌😌😌 but in the old days ( ” good” old days hehe!) if i wanted a slice of toast i d love the white with plenty of butter on it..if it was GOOD brown ( some browns have just been dyed brown)!!! I would go brown if it was lovely multi seeded brown. I am amazed and delighted that i’ m not really missing bread..I was dreading not eating it,but feel better for not doing so. The first non bread day,i cdnt take my eyes off someone on tv eating a sandwich,had to stop myself from pawing the screen! 😳 Xx

I agree AUTUMN..food tastes like nectar of the gods when we only have 800 cals to play with and are making better choices.
Fage Total yoggy is delicious and a daily treat for me right now with some berries.x

TOKYO, well done on continuing loss!..i cant WAIT to get to week six,just started on week 3.
Like you,fear of regaining weight loss so far is keeping me carb- low! I have horrid feeling that the fat ive lost in last 2 weeks will all jump back on.
LUCKY,am so sorry about yr noisy neighbours. Its such a horrible situation to be in. I had a neighbour who used to vacuum at midnight with Lionel Ritchie on high enough to hear over the noise of the Hoover😼😼😼 then she wd be going out to work lively as a cricket at 6.45 a.m.,while i was bleary eyedly trudging to my job. Complaints were water off a ducks back. She also had 3 teens who all played loud music too. I now live in a flat and have several elderly deaf neighbours who all have tvs blaring in unison all day and evening..*sigh* wd be nice to go and live on a desert island..maybe then no diet probs,just wear grass skirt and two coconut halves,and feast on luscious fruits…🍉🍑🍍
Ps sorry bout shouty caps..no facility to tag on here ..xx

Yay Tokyo – reviews soon 🙂

i have just got two oppo ice only cost £3 each so i too can see what its all about

hee hee look at all you with your MFP and Ups :-))) Isn’t it so cool! Technology helping yaaay.

I think you can turn off the link with MFP if you dont want food to show up in Up Lucky – it’s kind of annoying isnt it as it judges your food for the day and seems to like when I eat more carbs which is distracting. Another thing in MFP is it wont let you complete your diary on 800 calories – it has decided it’s not enough and you are starving yourself so keeps trying to put up my goal for the day anytime I change my weight. Anyway, it’s great to watch the graph going down (usually!) – very motivating!

Hee hee Runforfun there’s always those ones stuffing themselves with chocolate and bone thin. I noticed it more at the beginning too but in my case I was usually envious, especially if there was chocolate involved. Still, all that sugar isnt good for anyone whether it turns into fat or just corrodes your insides/makes you sick! She’ll get hers..;-). (Joking!! I hope she is just one of the lucky ones :-))

Have nearly eaten all my calories for the day (and definitely carb allowance) so it will be a quiet evening haaa haaa ah well – and a MASSive walk. C’MON the steppers :-)))

Will reply properly to you all in a while but I have a camping shower and a shower tent 😉 No verrucas for me thanks!

sat in hairdressers now!!!
I would say it was a no brainer lucky i anow writing this without my reading glasses so god help you all i apoligies for spelling but i really cant see !!! haha
and now my lovely hairdresser has put bleach on my hair and stuck me a menopausal woman under a revolving hair dryer thingy !!!!! kicking heat out !!
i will take this cloak off and will have shrunk to mini lady !!
and guess what lucky greg davies tickets go on sale tomorrow in my area and i am working !!!!!! i am now looking for someone to get them !!!!! why nit today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Timmy
Positive side is I lost 7 kg and was able to get meds down temporarily to 1 metformn a day. Haven’t restarted yet. I have set Monday as D Day

The positive thing is that you’ve started again. There’s plenty of people here who’ve fallen off the wagon (myself included). Don’t beat yourself up about it, you need to stay positive and know that you’re on the right path again.

Half the time when we go to the static homes in France I end up going to the wash block for a shower anyway. The pressure is normally much better than the piddle that comes out of the caravan shower.

Not sure what campsites you’ve been to Janey, but the ones I go to tend to have lockable doors on the shower cubicles! Was it you that was on about nudist beaches!!?? Maybe go to a non nudist campsite! 😉

Hello
I did the BSD for about 5 weeks but then fell off the wagon. Feeling a bit low right now. Blood levels are rising again and just had the results back from my retinopathy screening showing background deterioration. I desperately need to get started again. Could do with some help.

I’m waiting for my yoghurt kit to arrive… Timmy, you will have to give me some pointers…. fnaa fnaa…

Call me a snob, but I really struggle with the idea of camping in a tent! I could possibly be persuaded to a pod, but generally my minimum requirement is an ensuite bathroom, and the ability to shower without the local perv or kids looking at me. And not catching verucas (*retch* Lucky?!) The pod is a no brainer for £10 extra a night. Less hassle, less clutter, more shelter. Probably the same veruca issues though lol

We have booked a chalet booked in Devon for our august kids holiday. Usually we borrow my neighbours’ parents static caravan in Norfolk (which the kids love passionately) but I marketed it too well for them and all the weeks got snapped up in the school holidays. That’ll teach me… My boy does at least have a week there with his dad and half siblings at the end of August so he can maintain his amusements addiction.

Hmm, when is MFP going to sync with the UP??

I love camping in a tent but for the sake of £50 it’s not worth it for us hauling the trailer for 70 miles. If it were closer and easier access to get onto the site (very windy and narrow) it would have been ok. At least you don’t have to take it down in the rain, half the battle!

I’ll pass on the yogurt today, thanks. I’m already going to be eyeing my raita with distaste as is it, thanks to you… 😛

We’re braving a tent this year. Pre erected too (I’m sure there’s a joke in there somewhere, yoghurt anyone?). We normally go to France to one of those static home things (Canvas/Eurocamp) but this year we’ve got a week in my in-laws ultra posh “timeshare” doodah. Only thing is I didn’t book the ferry back in time so we’ve had to extend our stay at a canvas site in Brittany in a tent! I just hope it doesn’t p!ss it down with rain, which in Brittany is a definite possibility!

I’ve found what I’ve inputted in MFP has now shown up in Jawbone automatically Janey. Don’t do both.

Ah bugger, does this mean I have to move instead of camping plotting? Glamping I should say… 🙂

And oooooh – we’ve just booked our trip away and resolved the space problem! The campsite we stay at has pods available and they’ve knocked £50 off them. So for the 5 days, it’s probably costing us £50 more than it would have camping. But. But!
We don’t have to erect and take down a tent. Which is usually wet the morning we leave anyway. We don’t have to take the heavy, bulky tent. It has heating. It has light. It has power. So we don’t have to take loads of sleeping bags and duvets. Loads of lights and torches. It has table and chairs so we don’t have to take them. So, all being well, and due to the nature of how flat camping stuff tends to fold up and store, if we take the parcel shelf off the car, we should be able to fit everything in! For the sake of a tenner a night… jeez, well worth the much less hassle it will entail!

Peeing down here too Tokyo. Eeeeek 2000 posts. It’s as it it was yesterday that we were getting excited about nearing 1000 posts. We’ve come so far ladies and gents… *sniff*…

I’ve got MFP to work. Ish. Took an age to sync and then buggered up my UP app as it posted me as 112 kg which was apparently my weight when I started this. So I’ve had to amend that. I’ve put in my lunch (homemade soup), I’ve decided on lamb burger salad with raita tonight as Birthday boy has decided on Burger King so we don’t feel too left out! The burger is inputted ready (most important part). I’ve successfully imported the chocolate cake recipe and managed to get it to the calories that I worked out with the ingredients I used (145 calories per cupcake). That is put in ready. I’m going to scan my Oppo in a bit (one scoop! 😉 ) and then it’s just the salad and pickles. So far carbs are coming in as 33 used. So it is very, very possible that I have been overdoing the carbs.

Hi Run, Nigella cake is a fantastic one.. everyone enjoyed it and didn’t notice it was ‘healthy’. Just swap the refined sugar for coconut sugar (approx £80 grand to buy but lasts!). And your almond flour is cheapest through RealFoodSource online – I think Eps does the PR for them?! Or is it Josie??! Either way, recommended!

I’m trying to figure out the way UP and MFP link up – apparently they are now connected on my phone but not sure how they sync. don’t want double bubble on calories!!

I’m walking up to town in my lunch hour Lucky. You’ve been warned.. muahahahaha.

Tokyo – has your Jawbone arrived yet? I want another ‘UP Friend’!

I’ve had success with this – but I made it as cupcakes http://myheartbeets.com/paleo-chocolate-cake/

Janey had success with this – https://www.nigella.com/recipes/chocolate-olive-oil-cake

Hope that helps 🙂

just noticed lucky not far off 2000 posts !!!

thise lidl dark choc mousse save me on many occasions !!! well i am just about to go out and the sun has gone in and now its starting to rain !!!! thanks weather !!!!!
off to hairdressers to people watch !!!!!

Yes that’s true!

Help please, got a birthday in the office next week and we need a healthy cake for the girl? Suggestions please!

Good good! 🙂

Ah, but appearances can be deceptive! You don’t have to be overweight to be manky on the inside, remember! Can’t be good for you that long term, no matter how slim you are, can it? Stay smug. Have a square of dark chocolate 🙂 Lidl do little dark chocolate mousse bars that are about 80 calories. They’re fab for a little treat.

She’ll be a LOFI then! Lean outside fat inside.

And I’m assuming she’s probably fairly young. Guarantee she won’t look like that forever!

Talking about soy sauce. Kikkoman do a gluten free soy sauce. I had to get some in for my brother and it’s all I buy now. I didn’t realise how much crap was in soy sauce until I read the ingredients! The kikkoman gluten free one is simply water, soybeans, salt and vinegar.

When you compare that to normal soy sauce it’s amazing how much junk is in it!

Day 4 is going well. I’m enjoying having the meal plan as I don’t have to think about food too much and love trying lots of new recipes.
The girl sitting on the desk opposite me has just eaten her way through a whole Lindt white chocolate bar! Apparently she does it every day and has a good body 😠

This egg fried cauliflower ‘rice’ recipe is lovely – it mentions bacon bits for the top, but obviously you can leave that out 🙂 I made this and it was delicious. If you haven’t got coconut aminos (it’s what some people use as a soy sauce substitute) just use soy sauce – I did and it turned out delicious 🙂 And I didn’t have the coconut vinegar either (what even is that??) so I just used fish sauce (which doesn’t have any fish in it, apparently) and soy sauce. Even my boyfriend who usually hates veg thought this was tasty!!

http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3195098303/asian-cauliflower-fried-rice

Thank you Middleage1. Hard to believe that week 4 is halfway over, it is flying in. And yes, the main purpose of the diet is trying to reverse Type 2 diabetes, the weight loss is a brilliant bonus. Have a HbA1c test this day fortnight.

Ooh cheek bones. Definitely got those again now. I used to shave up to where I guessed my cheek bones were. Now I can see them without my glasses on, just like when I was in my 20s!

I do still have a stubborn bit of flab under my chin and on the bottom side of my cheeks, but I think that’s more of an age thing now.

Those are all great changes 🙂 I’m hoping that I will start noticing some changes like this after a few months hopefully. Congrats all on your positive changes! Frog I love buying smaller clothes – such a boost 🙂 Can’t wait till I can go shopping again!

And it would be great to feel energetic again…Just the last few months I’ve felt so tired every day, and I’d love to feel a bit more energy and the desire to exercise more. Fingers crossed that will start to happen after a while 🙂

11. I love garlicky cauliflower mash along with lamb leg steaks, really delicious! It’s creamy and tastes *nearly* as good as mashed potato 🙂 I use this recipe, it seems like a lot of garlic but it worked I think because the garlic flavour becomes much more mellow when you steam it (I love garlic anyway)

http://nomnompaleo.com/post/1356203768/garlic-cauliflower-mashed-potatoes

If you don’t have a steamer you can just put a colander over a saucepan with a little water in it.

Those cauliflower steaks sound delicious! I think either the Helmsley sisters or Jamie Oliver have a recipe for spiced whole roasted cauliflower that looked great – I must have a dig about and see…

Depends on the “brown” bread.
I find wholemeal very uninteresting but a nice malty granary can be great.
Sadly I don’t really eat it any more.
If I’m honest, I do miss it but it’s a price worth paying.
John

I’m in the middle of a block of three Eps. Everyone in the street has heard them, even the neighbours the other side of me. But it’s the same old thing, everyone moans, nobody wants to be the one to complain to the authorities, expecting me to do so alone. The thing is with the Police, you then get labelled a ‘grass’ don’t you, you have to remember these aren’t people who generally give a crap about the Police or any other authority anyway. If they did – like me – it would deter this sort of behaviour in the first place. So I feel like I’m in a bit of a Catch 22 at the moment. I could pursue it through the council and the police, but I’ll end up making so many enemies in order to restore peace, that I’ll end up too scared to leave the house. Pointless. It’s a crap one. I’m going to have to think hard about how to approach it so as not to exacerbate things. We are… friendly, if that’s the right word. In that it’s easier to be on her good side than bad. Maybe it would be better to approach things in a nicey nicey manner than all guns blazing.

Yep, everything I’ve eaten has been good, it’s just sometimes when I gain, I almost wish I’d eaten pizza or cake lol, and at least then it would be justified. It will be gone soon. Hope your cramps disappear soon, I suffer badly first couple of days, it’s awful. I find that walking helps sometimes but I would never feel like exercising like the gym or anything.

It is good Timmy, never heard of Joe’s sadly, as I’m from the other end of ‘town’ but how it tastes, for the calories? Immense. Well done on belt victory! You’re all cheering me up with your victories and making me want to keep on instead of tackling the triple layer chocolate cake 🙂

Hi Run for fun, thank you 🙂 Oh, that’s kind of you but it’s ok. I won’t be making that mistake again (as nice a mistake as it was). In future, two scoops it is. Or one. Or four. Seven… But I’ll do it by the scoop not the gram lol. How’s Day 4 going so far?

The speedos were on last night Tokyo. Did a mile in the pool. Annoyingly there was a faster person in the pool last night and I was forced to give way. I hate not being the fastest person in the pool. Grrrrr. Anyway it was the first full mile that I’ve done in a few month, so was pleased with that!

Also didn’t manage to make any yoghurt yesterday. Got home and my kids had eaten the frikin lot! That’s 1kg of yoghurt polished off in 3 days. I think I’m going to need to buy another yog making pot! I’ve left the wife and kids with strict instructions to make another kg of yoghurt this morning under pain of death. If I haven’t got it for my breakfast in the morning there will be hell to pay!

Timmy I have never tried Joes Ice Cream but seeing how the others reacted to it I reckon you should give Oppo a try and see.

Lucky happy birthday to your son! If you email team@oppoicecream.co.uk I can send you the nutrition for 100g to help!

Well done Janey and Tokyo on the weight loss!

Hiya

Welcome! I am 5’4″ and started at 10st 8lbs. Am about 11 weeks in, 8st 12lbs this morning with a reset target of 8st 10lbs after smashing my optimistic 9st initial target (I only thought I’d reach 9st 4lbs).

Not a veggie – I eat fish – but the revelation on this is the full fat dairy, cheese especially.

I would recommend
Getting an app like MyFitnessPal
Logging in your food and checking the nutritional values
Keeping carbs low – I’ve been doing 20-30g per day as that really seems to kick-start the weight loss for me. People here have success on 50g or less.
Using the MFP as a meal planner and weighing out your food so you know what you’re eating and get a feel for quantities. (Pain at first but so worth it)
Check measurements and target clothes not just weight. Often weight plateaus.
Drink loads

With regard to carb loading for exercise it sounds as though you may be carb addicted so may have carb flu symptoms (weakness etc) as you come off and force your body to get energy from the fat cells not easy access refined carbs.

But once you get through this, you will get much increased energy and will be able to exercise without carb loading.

You should keep an eye on it once you’ve settled down into this way of eating.

Hope all that helps. Keep asking questions if you need to! 🙂

Wow Mumofthree, sounds like you’ve changed your life completely around! And apart from being veggie and a lady, you are similar to me! 40 this year, 3 kids and doing the Blenheim triathlon next June (although it will be my 3rd tri).

Huge respect for doing a marathon. I think the furthest I’ve ever run is 10 miles!

If you’ve got a lot of weight to lose then your body will create it’s own carbohydrate from protein that you ingest and fat reserves (if you don’t eat enough protein it will use your muscle mass!), but it doesn’t sound like you’ve got a lot to lose. It is right that you need to eat carbs before doing any cardiovascular activity, but don’t forget this is a low carb, not no carb diet.

My suggestion would be that say an hour or two before your run, have a good portion (half??) of your daily carb allowance, but make sure they are good slow release carbs (quinoa, bulgar wheat, rolled oats, etc).

Cutting out the sugary snacks is definitely the way to go. You may feel a bit weak when you’re on the sugar comedown but afterwards you’ll feel so much better. I used to get really bad food coma mid-afternoon. No such thing for me any more!

As for meat free protein, eggs, pulses and full fat yoghurt will be your friend. You can get plenty of usable protein from veggie food, you just need to make sure you combine your foods and proteins in the right combination to make sure that you’re getting the 8 essential amino acids that make up “usable” protein. I can recommend Patrick Holfords “Optimum Nutrition” for advice on how to combine food to get the most usable protein.

Out of interest, what distance tri are you doing? Is it open water or pool, and finally don’t shirk the swim training. For my first tri I pretty much did 80% swim training (2.5k front crawl) 3 times a week and I only ran or cycled once per week! I should have done slightly less swimming and a bit more running/cycling but my cardio vascular fitness was so good I breezed the cycle and run. It also took me 12 months to build up to that level of swim fitness! Also, make sure you practice bricks (where you go from cycling to running).

My Type 2 OH has been successfully following a BSD low carb (not particularly calorie restricted) diet since 26th May.

He’s not lost lots of weight although his measurements have gone down a couple of sizes, and he’s feeling really good.

A HbA1c test taken early July showed normal range blood sugar, and the doctor halved his Metformin from 4 to 2. Another blood test next week, he’s hoping to get off Metformin completely.

Good news except he is still getting up to wee 4 or so times per night which unsurprisingly does make him generally tired during the day. This is just the same as before the BSD and is a symptom of diabetes. (He doesn’t think it’s prostate issues, some volume each time)

Not, so far as I can see, because of too much liquid – in fact I don’t think he’s drinking enough, especially early in the day – and investigations on the web point to this as a diabetes symptom not anything else.

Has this happened to anyone? Any suggestions? Obviously another visit to doctor shortly but he’s not keen to raise this as yet another issue. Trying to cut down pills, not increase them.

Any thoughts?

This is such a wonderful thread! My three things are:

1. Food tastes SO MUCH BETTER lately!
2. My husband is such a good man and takes such good care of his mother 🙂
3. Watching my puppy reunite with her sister is the most adorable thing ever.

Today – breakfast was – Tesco full fat greek style yoghurt and blueberries – I kept it down!!!!! IBut the tiny pot was quite calorific – added sugars!!!!! Will have to check out a less sweetened variety. Full fat Greek Yoghurt seems quite hard to get – especially in small individual pots!

Thank you Orchid. All the info is just wonderful! I’ll take your advice and push the extra week of 60g of carbs. I am just so happy to feel normal again, and I started running again for the first time in weeks!

As far as the plateau is concerned, I think I’ve hit it (I’ve been at my same weight now for the last 4 days), but I’m not worried. I personally think it’s my body readjusting to the water weight loss. I was having some odd dehydration symptoms like, *super* dry eyes, dry mouth, constipation, etc., so I upped my water intake to a full gallon a day, and that seems to be working for me. I’m sure that with the running, the low cal diet, and my hydration figured out, I’ll start dropping again soon.

Honestly, it’s physically impossible to not eventually lose weight on 800kcal a day (no matter the macro makeup), so not sweating it 🙂

LACali21, I’m so happy the sleep is better. I think taking care of my sleep hygiene helped me a lot. Emotionally at least, things seemed easier for me.

You know, I’ve really struggled to put all this in perspective. It feels like this was almost an internal battle. Me against My Body. I kept feeling overwhelmed and nervous, and my body kept letting me down, and I wasn’t winning. However, I’m now trying to view this differently. I’m trying to really listen to those symptoms and instead of “overcoming” my body, I’m trying to view it as “supporting” it. For some reason, in my head, it feels more gentle…graceful even. My “fight” has turned into an 8 week self care movement ☺️ I nap when I feel like I need to and I go to bed early if I feel like it. I nourish myself with only the best foods and drink load of water to hydrate and cleanse. I’m doing yin yoga because I like the long deep stretches and I’ve started jogging again whenever I’ve got the energy. I’ve given myself permission to focus on ways to really take care of my body, and it’s made a world of difference to me.

I just want to thank you amazing people for helping me out when I was super low with all your thoughtful advice and encouragement. In the end, you may have all saved me from giving up and living with disease.

Ok, now I’m done being all cheesy and emotional, lol!

Hi Ziggy
Thanks. I am doing well but my job helps as well. It is a very active job where I am on my feet. My partner is off ill at the moment so I have worked for the last 15 days with only 1 day off (I am knackered). I will be glad when he returns to work!. It is helping lose the pounds though. As a side point the pain in my foot that prompted me to start this diet has now gone – hopefully for good.

thanks esp i had a pre weigh tues and had lost a bit but thursday is my proper weigh day !! next week just going to go for thurs weigh in
i have chick pea wraps( lucky wraps) quite a lot but usuall just have one and i havent noticed any difference
timmy we shall have to think of you as speedos / loose belt now you are becoming the incredible shrinking man !!!!

Hi Ziggy
Great progress. Nearly 10lbs in 3 weeks is fantastic. I know you were a little disappointed with your loss for last week but I agree that exercise will have an effect. You had a healthy BMI to begin with so the rate of loss is going to be less than someone classed as overweight or obese. The most important thing is to kick-start that insulin and reverse the type 2 diabetes. I believe that is your goal and this is the best diet to do it with. Good luck with week 4.

Me too Izzy and Timmy..its a very positive thing..these days its just right back on the horse clippetyclop when i fall off!x

Hi Lucia

I wouldn’t have either slice of bread!!! 🙂

You tricky person, you 🙂

Thank you so much for your totally inspirational and funny posts. I bet you’ve got lots of readers who don’t necessarily reply on your thread but who, like me, quote what you say as evidence of how you can make your “little voice ” say supportive things, not the usual cynical and defeatist ones.

Wishing you every possible success:)

Just a wee update on Reversing Diabetes – and by that I don’t mean a normal HbA1c, which you can achieve by low carbing but your body still does not process sugars properly – so you still HAVE diabetes. How do you know f it is reversed? Prof Taylor states :-
“Follow-up of the Counterpoint Study at 3 months after completing the very-low-calorie diet showed that seven of the 11 participants did not have diabetes on oral glucose tolerance testing, despite weight gain of 4 kg”

So the way to know if your diabetes is gone is to get an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test done.

Which sets me to thinking, I put off my latest HaB1c twice as I was stating this diet, then rang to arrange it for the last week of my diet, but no appointments until mid-late September. So I opted for August the 11th, I’ll be halfway through week 6 by then so should get good results. As I know that eating no carbs for 2 months will definitely give a normal HaB1c result, in fact my last 12 have been in the normal range!

But, I am going to ask for an Oral Glucose Tolerance Test or do one at home – 2 months after the diet to check how my insulin response is.

Fingers crossed (cause crossing my toes makes me trip)

Well done Izzy. I’ve found that too.