Jodes82 thank you for the video link to MM on Australian TV it was most informative & my husband & I found the programme very useful. Hearing Professor Taylor explaining his research will certainly help our motivation to keep going in the next eight weeks.

I started when BMI was in the obese – I am tall too, so more places to hide it all, without looking drastically out of proportion , so was in denial about how many stones need to loose to be healthy.

keep at it – should be heading away from carb flu etc towards all the benefits to come.

Thanks @shalimar! Hope you’re starting to see the benefits too.

Had a new starter in my team and hosted a couple of meetings today so lots of talking was done. You can tell I’m dehydrated – I just couldn’t find the right words for the ends of my sentences.

Rhubarb compote and yoghurt
Medi platter
Fish pie and broccoli

Panorama –

Is it just me or are the 2 going for bariatric surgery not that big? As in like a lot of us here.

Children with Type 2 and gout is scary.

Mind you how much have the trailblazers here saved the NHS over the next 20 years or whenever?

Hi all,

Hope Day 3 went well for you. I don’t want to speak too soon but today I felt far more energetic than the previous two days. Maybe my body is getting used to surviving on fewer calories? I swear I even felt slightly “high” at one point!

Today, I just did two 400cal meals. I am not doing snacks since I would rather have two or three bigger meals…well, as big as it get gets on 800 cals! Also, I read that topping up your body with regular snacks stops it going in to fat burning mode effectively.
Meal 1 was scrambled eggs, salmon, mushrooms and tomatoes with pine nuts and feta. Meal two was tuna steak with lots of veg and cauliflower rice.

I have had a sneaky look at the scales and seem to have dropped a few pounds already. This has really motivated me. I had a reality check this morning when I worked out that my BMI is 29.8 so almost obese category. I was shocked. As a tall person, I don’t think I look massive but I clearly have lots of visceral fat that needs to go.

I am determined to do this!

Onwards to Day 4…almost halfway through our first week.

Well Saturday I was very pleased with myself. Ate out twice. Lunch was pulled pork with salad. Dinner was smoked mackerel and salad. I did indulge in 1/2 pint of cider. But had a lovely day and proved to myself that I can go out, enjoy myself and not eat pudding, potatoes, rice or chips!!
Yesterday, crudites, houmous and cottage cheese, dinner was roast beef and veg. Of course my treat as usual, greek yogurt and berries.
Today lunch – roast butternut squash, chickpeas, walnuts and salad, dinner – lentil bolognese and courgetti, gy&b.
Had a big bust up with the plumber this morning, he has informed me , that it will be another 10 days till he has finished!!! Therefore my daughter has to put up with me for even longer. He is not a nice man and I will be glad when he is no longer in my lfe. But it does mean it will be 2 more weeks before I can weigh, so I am so hoping for a nice surprise. It might get me out of my scale led life!!

Sunshine-girl I am not surprised that you are bouncing around like Tigger after your visit to the cardio.

I did wonder whether you might find that you have to start cutting down your insulin much more quickly now. I found that I had to cut mine down really quickly as I had some really dramatic lows. It was almost as though there was a tipping point where I was diabetic one day and over just a few days I suddenly wasn’t. It was both quite scary and really exciting.

Frog – I felt really sad when I read your post. Your ‘diabetes specialist’ should have been so pleased about your results and tried to learn everything they could so they could understand how you had done it.

I do think that this way of dealing with diabetes will really gather momentum as more and more of us defeat diabetes. In the end they will not be able to ignore us.

Good Morning PurpleDragonLady & All
Glad so see someone else in Aus. I will have someone around to chat to while our UK friends are sleeping.
The coq au vin recipe from the book was delicious, and what a revelation cauliflower mash is, sound awful but taste ok.
Making lentil soup for dinner.

Well we wouldn’t want hubby to say that! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Just before BSD i discovered Tokyo House restaurant ….. i think my favorite thing will have to be left off my menu bcause of the breading …i seldom order the rice wrapped things though because they are too filling … no room for other good stuff. I’ll bet i could still eat there … they have chicken, crab, fish, pork too!

Tattiescone-live your name 💗😜

Hi PurpleDragonLady 🙂

Great hints CallMeDeb!

Seems like i re-start every day!!

I am going to try new foods …. or old ones. My aunt used to put a small anchovy on plain sliced boiled egg …. that should spice up a plain dish.
If my avocado has become a bit squishy i mush it up with some high carb but delicious salad dressing to make the dressing go further.
I’m going to try some new foods!

Hi Tired
i still have 3 stones to lose so am hoping to carry on eating like this. I am finding it so easy to follow, it is foods I love I just needed this final tweek as I have been working towards mediteranean eating for some time. Unfortunately all the other mediterranean diet books I have read promote lots of carbs! I love the BSD. I am taking an interest in food again. Usually I get stuck in a rut and find myself getting bored with the usual, so although I eat well 80% of the time, the other 20% is out and out greed, hence the weight problem!! I know it is early days but I feel more confident of being able to sustain this way of eating than any other I have tried. Cutting out simple carbs completely is the way for me. Preparing meals with lovely salad accompaniments, lovely and filling. I only eat between 13.30 and 20.30 but always have greek yogurt and berries before my curfew. So that’s me, hoping to ‘Carry On Slimming’!! When I was 40 I managed to slim down to 8st 4lbs. I feel I could do it again with this plan. Just watched a program on tv about health problems caused by Type 2 diabetes. Terrifying! I luckily am not diabetic but have other problems due to being overweight. A doctor stated on the programme that the only way to reverse type 2 diabetes was to have a bariatric procedure which will make you eat less!!! I know this diet is new but surely they should be promoting BSD not operations. But I am preaching to the converted! Have a good day tomorrow. xx

We should send our chimps on play dates… Far. Far. Away.

So i’ve been thinking about what I learned the first time around on the BSD and thought I might share what I think are my best hints. YMMV.

1. You’re going to mess up. You’re human. It will be okay as long as you don’t let it defeat you in the long run. Every minute is an opportunity for a fresh start. You are worth going on this journey – never forget that.

2. Reward yourself with non-food items when you reach a milestone (see my profile for mine as examples).

3. DRINK WATER. It helps with the carb cravings and it fills you up.

4. Don’t be afraid to ask for help. The people on this forum are amazing human beings, I learn from them every day.

Happy Journey!
Deb

Corkie – good to know about the cauliflower cheese recipe, i do love a good kick to my food.

Just had the carbonara – pg 110, was very quick and easy to do, and really did taste like carbonara, i feel like i’ve been out for an italian, i upped the courgette in the recipe, as half a courgette each just doesn’t seem like enough, and used bacon as tesco werent stocking the turkey bacon from the recipe, maybe next time, but was delicious.

My mum, who is prediabetic, has just watched a tv programme about diabetes and the cost to the nhs, think it shocked her all the lower limb amputations etc. We’ll have to send our GP a thank you card for telling us to try this diet, my mum who is v inactive through various ailments and being 81, lost 14lb in the 8 weeks and has continued eating that way and hopefully her blood sugar levels are under control although we haven’t tested it yet.

thanks avila, will take a look after the news

I know, and I paid for it – believe me.
( But I just didn’t want to have to hear my hubby going on about how “I never eat with him, anymore”. )

Hi all. I have started the BSD and would love to join your group. I have read the book and would love the support. I am from the Gold Coast Australia. I am 56 years old and was diagnosed with diabetes two, three years ago. I have 24 kg to loose and hope this will kick start be and even turn my diabetes around. Good luck everyone 😬

not caught up with that yet, but not the only relevant BBC piece tonight (see my new thread)

I don’t get why 800 cals is so frowned on and then commanded for others – and after surgery be as limited for life….

Poor thing <3
Sinus trouble is a misery!

Sashimi is great – but beware sushi! It’ not just the rice, the rice is soaked in something sugary

http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-16677/why-most-sushi-is-actually-bad-for-you.html

KrysiaD, I have reduced my insulin by one more unit tonight and will see what happens tomorrow morning. Obviously I will report in on this thread as usual. Today my carbs have been 23 and had 620 calories. I have just done a 50 minute zumba class and don’t feel hungry but have forced myself to eat about 3 oz of chicken to stop the dawn effect.

If you read my post above, I have been bouncing around like Tigger after my visit to the cardio. Will probably have calmed down by tomorrow.

Nite nite

Over on BBC Wales http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07xwstx

will be available soon. Not BSD but low carb high fat eating, way over the calories. Mix of views, though the anti carb examples do look healthier that the example from the Dr of an obesity clinic who said it was a rubbish idea and dangerous and unsustainable….. a throw something at the telly moment.

Then Panorama looking at Type 2 diabetes – not caught up on that yet.

Any thoughts from other watchers?

Just found this article from 2014.. Wish i ‘ d read it back then!
Re health benefits of full fat yog combined with a Mediterranean diet..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/10865240/Eating-high-fat-yogurt-lowers-risk-of-obesity.html

Did anyone just see the Panorama programme about diabetes? The blasé attitude of some folk featured was amazing and so sad, to think they could turn things around with this or similar eating regimes. It implied the only solution for many was bariatric surgery, although they had to,follow a diet of 800-1000 cals per day for 4 weeks to shrink their livers. If they had just carried on, they might have been able to avoid such surgery.
Thoughts anyone?

Hi fellow Oct 3rd Starters,
I’ve also started BSD today. I’m 46 and was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes in May this year. I’ve struggled to come to terms with this and make the necessary diet/lifestyle changes. I’m taking Metformin and Ramipril for my border line high blood pressure.

I’m doing the 800 calorie and following the recipes in the BSD book. Today I’ve eaten yogurt with rhubarb compote for breakfast, courgette and feta salad for lunch and foil baked fish for supper. All where surprisingly good and I didn’t feel too hungry. I couldn’t give up my long black coffee and I’ve not quite managed to drink 2 litres of water. However, I have felt very irritable, hopefully this won’t last too long.

Hiya folks
Restarting tomorrow. After a nasty teacher induced stressbinge!
Normally try to lower carbs to 50, but thinking might try lower as I think the carbs just cling to me!
I use my phone and my wee digital scales.
I like bovril and tea. Eggs. All veg and meat. But not keen on avocados..however..willing to retry. I didn’t like olives years ago..but lust after them now!
Have got my head around it all. I needed the binge..but needed to feel the pain of the post binge apocolypse to let me feel the love for the 800. 💕

Only one chimp each?

had a small portion of a pasta dish – first pasta in 2 months – and it was tasteless… the kind of thing I would eat as a regular quick cook before.

Tonight came in feeling peckish, there were crisps in the house and I craved….. some yoghurt !!!

Hi there, I would say don’t give up. I had a 2 week stop proably around the same time and was ready to go on a binge when someone here said not to and I listened, a couple of days later I lost a couple of pounds and a steady loss since. I remember thinking how can I not be losing on 800 calories, didn’t seem possible. Your body seems to want to hang on to the fat, also, you may be losing internal fat or you may also be losing inches. Did you measure yourself at the start.

Keep on keeping on.

Hi Verano
Dorset was great – lovely and sunny, and my friend had found some really great recipes.
Did you have a good weekend?
I did my own check on the teriyaki sauce ingredients before I made it- the only thing that was a bit dodgy was a quarter of teaspoon of honey (between two), so I just left it out. Tasted fine, and I didn’t tell the guy (it’s a mixed group, about 50/50) that I was cooking with he is lovely, but in his 80s – I think he is more used to plain food, but eats everything without question, so he wouldn’t have known if it had tasted weird!

HAPPYGIRL I ve had the Chimp Paradox on my bookshelves for two years at least!
I’ ll give it a go now you’ve mentioned it x i DID start it! My chimp is a close friend of the Carb Monster who went off in a huff when i stopped craving carbs!😛😛😛 x

PRIMA,Make sure you get the full fat not the0%!
Supermarket shelves are full of nonfat/ low fat yog…and comparatively little full fat
The full fat Total has a blue streak on the top of the tub,the non fat has pink! X

AFTER DAY 19

Weight : 72.8
Steps:10,025

Been on a plateau weight-wise for a few days. Social life has made it hard to accurately keep track of calories. Took fresh apple slices in a plastic bag and a bottle of water to the movies. I have been trying to choose wisely when out but have not resisted a couple of bread rolls. Eating out again tonight -will try harder.

Welcome, pgates. Verana’s courgetti is going to be on tomorrow’s dinner plate, I think. Sounds delicious! 😃

Yowzer, I’ll look for that brand. I really REALLY want to like it! Randam, good luck to you as we start this journey!

Hi CallMeDeb … you have some extra challenges there!! Good luck 🙂

ah HappyGirl … we should get our inner chimps together …. and send them off to play by themselves!! 🙂

*****Reposting this from another thread (that’s not as active as this one) so I can join in here too!*****

Hello all!
I am re-starting the diet today. I made it four weeks before I was sidelined with unrelated health issues.

I did my prep yesterday and laid out all my food for the work week. Mon-Fri will basically look like this:

Breakfast – Two Eggs, Cottage Cheese

Lunch – Home made Chili, Laughing Cow Cheese (2)

Dinner – Cauliflower, Hummus, hard-boiled egg

I have major food allergies (nuts, most raw fruit/veg), so you won’t see much of that in my menu.

I’ve listed my goals and rewards in my profile if you’d like to check them out.

Have a great day!
Cheers.
Deb

Sometimes i can’t sleep when i am too hungry …… i used to eat just a little bit of something.

Now i try and dip into my veggie mix (just a handful or so) … sugar snap peas, sliced cucumber (did some nice thin ones cut on a diagonal to look pretty), small tomatoes, pecans (because i like them but they are not my favorite), …. anything low calorie or low carb. Sometimes you need just a little something …. so keep an assortment of before-bed snacks in a couple of plastic containers.

I even bought some cheddar cheese on sale …. going to cut it up and wrap small portions.

Anyone ever eaten a celery stalk dipped in ordinary yellow mustard??

I love a little cottage cheese with a ton of chives or green onions!!

for anyone that’s just started and is thinking about buying a spiralizer, I was in a branch of Morrisons today, and spotted that they had the Salter one on special offer for £12.
It’s larger than the one I bought a while ago, but I used one at a cookery class this morning and it worked really well.

Thanks for that Gardengreen.
I am trying to wean myself off carbs slowly as I know that if if I were to cut them out completely, this diet wouldn’t last a day.
Have you read the book The Chimp Paradox? It says we all have an inner chimp that always tries to sabotages our good intentions , especially when it comes to food.So I have befriended my inner chimp and throw him a piece of toast made from homemade bread, in order to placate it. It’s one of my survival tactics.

I am aware that I sound like a complete nutcase as I write this!!!

Nevertheless, thank you for your sound advice and if you ever see a tall mad looking Irish woman beating herself with a banana – run away as far and as fast as you can😉

Cheers

Hi JulesMaigret
I do appreciate the NHS – particularly given recent conversation on this forum with someone in the US – however I had a run of bad health 5-6 years ago, that with appropriate treatment at the outset, could have been dealt with far more efficiently and cheaply by the NHS- and with way less stress and time unable to work for me. Ever since then, I have been very sceptical, and always do my own research rather than accept what I am being told without question.

I have worked for medical research organisations, so I also understand of the Newcastle trial being complete before BSD moves into the territory of becoming mainstream advice. Since starting BSD and bringing my HbA1c results back within normal range (as well cholesterol, fatty liver, protein where it shouldn’t be all resolved, and blood pressure that was already in the normal range lower still), my GP has been delighted, however of the two ‘diabetes specialists’ that I encounter on a regular basis:
One was pleased with my results, but intimated that another patient who still had blood sugars in the diabetic range (but lower than her previous results) was doing better because she followed “a proper diet” and hadn’t stopped taking her medication, Wow – if I was still chucking back metformin, maybe I’d still be diabetic too.
The other stated that no one could exist on a diet of 130g of carb a day “because it would affect their brain”
Whilst BSD is not mainstream advice, as a professional I stay abreast of developments in my sector, I am surprised that other professions do not appear to have much interest in doing this.

I think my sinus problems are turning into a cold!! the good part : nose running but not painfull
I put some local honey into my pineapple/pear tea … for the immune benefits
I ate that last strip of bacon … it was great
I’ve decided only to have bacon in restaurants …. as it is calling my name when it is in my house! That’s probably a good decision!

Yup i know what you mean ….. my sinus problem seems to be turning into a cold! …. i want bacon …. there is bacon in the house!!

Whew! Week one is done. 7.5 pounds down, 4 1/4 inches lost on my waist. I’m not really having any cravings but I am still just absolutely starving!
@ feelinghopeful only two suggestions. hot decaf tea or just give up and go to bed. I ended up in bed reading at 7:45 Thursday night just to get away from the kitchen.

Happygirl, try having eggs for breakfast or Greek yoghurt you will find that it’s very satisfying and you won’t get the cravings that toast will inevitably result in. I have found the less carbs I eat the less hungry I am.

Hi everyone.
Today is Monday so it’s a hard day to get through by its very definition.
I had a small piece of toast with coffee for breakfast.
At lunch I had a small roast salmon salad, yesterday’s leftovers,with lots of green things!!!
How come we never overeat lettuce!! As well as a small greek yoghurt.
For dinner I had homemade courgette soup with a meatball, as well as grilled wild mushrooms.
It all sounds very impressive but I am feeling hungry this evening. I was fine all day until I got home and took my shoes off.
So, I have been telling myself – get a grip girl, tomorrow is another day and you will eat again.
Meanwhile, just get through this a day at a time.
Hunger is my friend!!!

Hope everyone is having a great day or at least soldiering on. To achieve this will be so good for our health.
Cheers

Starting today too. We can do it.

Ok get the kettle on Jan! ☕️☕️☕️☕️☕️ Xx

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for your post. Very inspiring.

You’re right of course – and no I haven’t measured intentionally as I find those numbers too depressing. I decided to gauge progress against my clothes instead and so far it’s the same too. However I have noticed an improvement in energy (most days) so something must be happening. I intend to keep going across the full eight weeks and judge the the bigger picture is at the end of it. I do believe my body HAS to release some of the extra 35kgs it is carrying at some point. I’m 95% vegan with occasional fish, so my 800 kcals is predominantly coming from vegetable sources too. I definitely need to drink more water so some of the issue might be water retention. I’m eating so cleanly (especially compared to usually) that I have faith that the scales will start edging down eventually. Just have to keep facing forward…. This forum is terrific support. Thank you for your input!

dinner= boiled eggs and salad.