Wow! Congratulations. That’s brilliant. Do you feel good being on it? I feel better than I have on other diets. I find the actually arranging meals but a little faffy but will no doubt get used to it.

Thanks so much for your encouragement. I am really very keen to benefit from this. Good luck with the weigh-in.

Hi Wills mum, I started a thread on BMI Prime but nobody was interested. All it is BMI divided by the Normal BMI of 25 gives a number

I started out at BMI 31.4, BMI Prime 1.3 (obese) i.e. 31.4/25 when I was 96.2 kg/15 stones and now at 80.5 kg BMI 26.3, 12 stones 10 lbs I am still 1.1 (overweight) 26.3/25 the normal range varies from 25 -26.1 to the upper limit of normal body mass.

Some prefer the waist = half your height method. If you search the thread will come up.

Cheerio

Not unless you are drinking much more fluid! But the first weight to go is usually water so that could account for it if you have noticed that. I am nearing the end of week 10 now and could reach the Normal weight upper limit this weekend all being well. You will not regret starting, don’t get hung up on the lengths some of the more zealous members go to. It is not that hard and you get used to it…

I will post if I get a response but nothing yet…

Hi all! When I can unearth it, next week, I will post a recipe for an Aubergine ‘meatloaf’ – great hot with salsa/tomato sauce, great sliced cold for lunch. Very filling.

I have been on this diet for two days, so I am just starting out. Could anyone please tell me whether this diet tends to make you need to go for a pee much more?
Cheers!

Cauliflower remove stalks ,blend in the food processor cover and heat for 7min in the microwave turns out really good

Hi all I am in my 5th week and still feeling hungry and craving more food any suggestions? I am following the receipts in the book
I have also noticed that my weight loss has slowed down I have lost 5.8kg in 5weeks should I start to exercise more

What great ideas! Thanks Ladies! Starting my shopping list now!

heya… FoFi, I’ve been doing this 3 weeks, been having yogurt with flax mix for 230 cal, lunches are usually meat and cheese slices and veg like carrots and lettuce, or mini crustless quiche with almonds and carrots, and dinners are stuff on mushrooms or chicken. I don’t eat red meat. Found the weight came off 5 pounds in first few days, but now completely stopped. I think sometimes the cals creep up on certain days, MM said it wouldn’t matter much, but I’ve been so hungry, despite all the water. I thought maybe if I upped the cals whilst eating the right things, that might help in the long run. Unfortunately, very hard to stay motivated when scales aren’t shifting.

I’ll try to stick to it for now, just wondering how much diff 800 cal vs 1200 makes if it’s the same food groups and you’re in ketosis.

Cheers :O)

Thanks all. Just done the weeks shop online. Got everything I need. Trying out a day to see how I feel. I do feel supported.

Yes thanks for that cherrianne, I’ll be giving that a go too!

Thanks Cherrianne,
your lasagne is on the menu this weekend. In fact all your recipes in the next week 🙂

It doesn’t look like the powers that be are going to help us. I have noticed a change, though. At one time my doctor or practice nurse would pooh-pooh anything other than the low-fat, high-carb diet, but not anymore. I told the nurse this week that I was on the BSD and she immediately offered a full blood test and asked if I found the BSD better than the 5:2. Things are slowly changing.

Agree with you. Time for us to start a diabetic revolution! If the powers that be can’t help us then we must resort to DIY!

I feel so angry that for years we’ve been told that a low fat diet is best and for diabetes the advice has been to eat carbs. I won’t go into rant mode although I feel like it, instead I’ll put my energy into trying to reverse my diabetes. This is day 3 of the rest of my life, 3lb lost ( yes I know it’s probably fluid but it’s still motivating) sugar level down by 0.6 and this is all from just cutting out carbs.
I’ve been a yo yo dieter for 40 years but no more, I need to lose 5 stone 8 lbs ( I can’t believe I’ve gone into print with that!) I can’t pussyfoot around any longer. I don’t want to have an unhealthy old age so as this is something within my power I’m going for it. Wish me luck.

Oh, and I had a really professional moment…

I was asked about carbs and fats and protein as they couldn’t understand them.

I said protein was the energy you put in the engine.
A little fat, is the lubricant to keep the engine going,

Carbs are the polystyrene chips or nuts, that are the packaging that you have when you open the box when you get the new engine, are no use, just throw them out, but they are sneaky little buggers, as no matter how you try, you will find one slipping into the engine. Ha, ha. Lol.

I am a genius.

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi scatter,
Use your hotel room time to read the book again, write out meal plans, go on you tube and listen to Michael Moseley talking about keeping healthy. Read the section we have about recipes and the blog stream called what I ate today.
So when you land back home , you hit the ground running.
Your hubby will not realise you are in the blood sugar diet, when you eat bacon, eggs, mushroom tomatoes for breakfast.
Meat, fish, feta or cheese salad for lunch.
Steak and veg , or fish and veg for tea.
Feed him this and he won’t know HE is in it either.

Don’t argue, don’t shout, it just stresses you out and makes you eat daft things.

Just have a time out with him and eat the above. You can lose pounds a week.

We are all here for you, keep in touch.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Crispy bacon “left over” lol. Not in my house!

I have two zucchini/ courgette for an evening meal topped with a little bit of bolognaise and cheese.

Hi,
I did a bit of yoga or should I call it Loga, as it is my own weird version, the I did mindfulness. Boy the title is right, mind full of mess .
With yoga , I am trying now to stretch just an extra half inch.
With mind full mess I am trying to focus on a blackboard, with nothing on it.
Just a blackboard, , just a black board.
I have tried to concentrate on a poem about not giving up.
Reading each line and trying to understand the meaning, slowly, breathe, slowly, breathe.

Getting there.

Bill 1954, how’s your yoga coming along?
🙅🙆🙅🙆🙅🙆🙅🙆🙆🙆🙅
Love Lucia
Xxx

Yes, good for you Scater. I agree with hashimoto, it’s your life, your health. You don’t have to do any deals with anyone as in, I’ll try it for xxx.

You do what you want to do. end of

I’ve managed to avoid all crackers/crispbreads in any form for 6 weeks. However I’ve today had 2 Finn Crisp multigrain thin crispbreads at 22 cals/slice and 3.8g carbs/slice spread with 50g hummus. Delicious! Not as cardboard like as Ryvita and slightly less cals /carbs.
My query is whether to avoid all crispbreads anyway?

Thanks Madmare. I will look for some later on today in Tesco.

Judith – 🏆
Penny

Hi Patsy
Don t panic- your body has varying amounts of water and other stuff (!) in it that varies your weight.
Penny

Good for you, Scater, after all it is your health, nobody’s elses – not even the OHs!! 🙂

Barby just stick to the principles of the diet because if it worked for me it will definitely work for you too. I didn’t really expect it to work, if I am honest, so it is a source of constant wonder that I am the weight I was 20 years ago!!! 🙂

Hi Christina
That is so useful, thanks!
It also explains why I took 5 days to get back into ketosis after a teeny weeny piece of birthday cake!
I also read in ‘Diet 101’ that the more out of control your blood sugar is, the more spectacular the effects of low carb- that may explain why some of us just crawl down half a pound at a time. My BS was ok , I just wanted to keep it that way. Nice to have an explanation.
Penny

Thanks for all your support. I will try and get him to engage but I’m going to do it either way.

I am on day 5 of the BSD and have to admit I love the food on it. However, I am finding that I am getting high blood sugar readings, when testing 2 hours after eating, even after eating very little carbs (I do calculate what carbs are in meals and inject accordingly). Am now very confused!!!! Can anyone help/advise me.

krissy,
As they say on training courses – if it was easy everyone would do it!
800 is a researched # designed to kick start you on a new life with significant weight loss in 8 weeks.
Higher cals = longer to reduce. The BSD/Fast/800 diet is a programme that many people can stick to it seems. On the back cover of the BSD book it suggests that the ‘average’ weight loss after 8 weeks of 800 cals is 14kg.

I’ve made up my mind that I want to lose the fat around my middle and get healthier and reverse a high HbA1c reading, so am sticking to it. I say this on a day when I have woken up *starving* and the yogurt doesn’t seem to be doing it… so I’m drinking lots of water now, and then a coffee with a splash of milk, and then a big bowl of soup for lunch. From the past 11 days [& approx -9lb] hydration seems to be a factor; if not hydrated I get hungrier and grumpier, but it passes. Other days I’m absolutely buzzing and do intense exercise without eating much more than 800. This is my first ever time at looking at what I eat – I have been exercising a lot for *years* [and enjoying it] but wondering why not much weight loss whilst consuming approx. 3000 cals per day. When I complete the 8 weeks I intend to eat more sensibly and do a variation of 5:2, but I have to lose the 14kg first.

Everyone’s different, but I would encourage you to accept the science and find coping strategies to get you through. The brunch/dinner combos on the weekend seem to help – a steak never tasted so good or was ever so filling last weekend.

Hi Juliet
There is something called gram flour that is made from chick peas. You can find it in most supermarkets its used extensively in Indian recipes

Hi Alan, great news with your progress; do look at This has Got to Work for Me, as mentioned by other posters; Bill is a type 2 and his journey is remarkable. The post will help you, he charts all his ups and downs and what happened during his 8 weeks!

What he has achieved is quite incredible!

xrissy – it is in the posts above. 800 was low enough to ‘reverse diabetes’ for some participants in one of the trials referred to in the book. As you say you can eat what you want, and there are options in the book to fast some days and not others. How long have you been going? Many find the first week harder than the rest.

I used this site https://www.supertracker.usda.gov/bwp/index.html to calculate the amount of calories it will take to lose 16 pounds taking me from 176 to 160, (I’m 5’2) in 60 days, and it recommends to eat 1,255 calories (other factors weigh in, like adding walking, etc.)… I guess the question is, why, in ketosis where burning fat is optimal, can’t I eat 1255 calories of fat/protein rather than 800?

I know MM isn’t forcing me to do anything ;O), just curious why 800. I’m finding it very difficult on 800, eating properly etc. but still hungry, but I don’t want to swap to 5-2, as I really want to stick to this program and be in ketosis. I also really want to maintain weight afterwards, so I’m trying to come up with something feasible in the long run.

Anybody have any input on why 800 and if increasing to 1200 but in same diet (low carb/high fat) will be an issue?

Hi
I enjoy a couple(!) of glasses of wine at night and I was really concerned that this was going to be the most difficult bit for me. Like others after a couple of glasses of wine chocolate suddenly becomes something you cant live without and cheese is absolutely essential.
So I made myself a gin ( got a proper measure and exactly 2 cl – 48 calories and lots of diet tonic and a slice of lemon ( buy Schwepps its worth it!!)
Two of those and I am happy – last a long time and not too many calories
and I have lost 5 lbs this week!
Interestingly I was so busy talking that I forgot to add a shot of gin to one and didnt know until I found the gin sitting in the measure on the worktop
So its all in the mind!!!

Meant to say big thanks to all on here for help in my first week I will take any advice criticism tips etc ,even stuff we don’t like to hear helps.
Alan 👍

Asked my doctor for a meter they said it’s not bad enough to have a free one
I had bought one anyway from eBay ,just thought I’d try get free needles etc for nothing.
Worth a try
I did apply for those free online ones
Nothing turned up yet.

I’ve been rewatching the steve gibson sugar hill special, which is a ton of science behind this sort of diet, very low carb and high in fat, and where I said watch your protein, really, you must, because if you’re overdoing the protein, which is easy on this diet, then you could be making it worse. Your body only needs a certain amount of protein in a day, and any excess gets stored as glucose. I did the math for my body weight, and I only need 32g of protein a day. http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2010/05/07/ron-rosedale-protein-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ The math is 0.7 x your LEAN body mass kg. The rest of the cals should be fat. I’ve only been watching food groups and cals, but will start keeping track of protein, fat and carbs as well. Ugh, I hate tracking. but if it will help get over the slump. Taking a walk after dinner will help burn off any excess stores of glucose (carbs) that might have snuck in, and as MM says, it preps the body for the insulin sensitivity side of things. It take 4-5 days of eating low carb, high fat to go into ketosis, and about a month for your body to adapt to using ketones from fat as fuel rather than glucose. I’m feeling inspired. Watch these for more science behind this diet:
sugar hill I – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vfK5U9qKaI
sugar hill II – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KKT7XFxQWg
sugar hill III – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByXYfxfSJk

Have a great weekend everyone.

Hi caravansue, welcome to the forums. Scales might be a bit of an issue for you so why not just use a tape measure while you are travelling? It will certainly tell you a good story!

I would suggest keeping a log (paper or electronic) recording your blood sugars ( if you test them) and your measurements – taken from waist, hips chest etc. Each time you are in a larger settlement you may find a pharmacy with scales you can use and then record your weight.

If you don’t have a tape measure with you the string is an excellent idea, and when you get a tape measure you can get your original measurements from the string! 🙂

How fantastic Hashimoto, wow well done !! That is so good and I just hope I will also be able to have those type of losses as I also have a knee problem, among other things. What a result, I would be ecstatic. 🙂

It seems some older women unfairly have very slow weight loss, but not you. Just hope I can get similar results.

Hi Kate,

Don’t worry about going out with friends and staying off the booze, it’s easier than you think!

I’m a big drinker. I can easily put away a bottle of wine and then some – and I have plenty of equally boozy mates.

What I’ve discovered is that whether I’m drinking or not, my friends are still my friends and I still have a great night out… if anything, they seem to find it a bit difficult to watch me drink pints of sparkling water with fresh lime (and mint if the bar have it). Weirdly as their booze kicks in I find my own spirits rising too – that’s something I wasn’t expecting.

It’s also a really good way to up your water intake.

It’s even better if you can incorporate a meal into your evening, but if you can’t do that eat something really tasty just before you go out.

Try it, it’s really good fun!

Hi Orchid try the peanut butter dip recipe from the book! Luscious!! 🙂

Hi jillyb , we Brits have been on metric measurements for years too, but we older generation still visualise in pounds and stones! Though as a primary school teacher I have had to teach in metric for decades you would think I would find it easier these days!! When it comes to my height and weight it’s imperial measures all the way!!

I was a bit surprised you referred to this ‘wretched diet’. What is it you are finding difficult? Can we help in any way? 🙂

Hi Willsmum,
as SkyWalker says, the occasional thing won’t go amiss, so long as it is occasional. I had not thought about Peanut Butter for ages, but I Was watching a wildlife programme last night and they were putting peanut butter out to attract badgers into an area where they were filming. I started thinking about the fact it is nuts so must be ok :-(. After the programme I looked at the calories/carbs and decided probably not – but I will have a look later at a brand like Neal’s Yard who do pure peanut butter!
SkyWalker – I am intrigued by your the ‘Normal Prime =1’, that is that? I am around your height and I don’t get into the normal range until 74kg.

Hi Willsmum, welcome to the forums. Have you tried the peanut butter dip recipe in the book? That really answers the peanut butter urge! Cut plenty of celery sticks etc to have with it. You will love it!!! 🙂

Hi pookiesnackenberger, Cherrianne is right, check out Bill1954 on ‘this has to work for me’. Inspiring stuff!!!
🙂

Hi Odette, I know it seems counter intuitive and it is the mistake I made in the first couple of weeks – more veg = more on my plate. Sadly it also = more carbs!!!

Try a full fat yoghurt, with added ground flax seeds/ berries. It may top 220 calories but I can guarantee it will fill you up!
A smaller salad with a good glug of olive oil also does the trick.
Nuts – love ’em!!! So good for you and full of healthy fats!!!
Use nuts and cheese as an addition to a healthy meal or in small portions as a snack food.
Walnuts and pecans are lower in carbs than other nuts, peanuts are pretty low too. Sunflower seeds are lower than pumpkin seeds.

You really do need fat to help you feel full. It also seems to accelerate the weight loss. JAs Spirit has said just make sure you keep your carbs at 50g or under. Penny recommends calorieking for checking calories and carbs. If you live in the UK we need to deduct the fibre figure from the carb figure.

Hope that helps 🙂

Great job Alan, the first week is so motivating.
I’m sure your sugars will stabilise, just give it more time, stay strong and don’t let it deter you

Hi Kingdoone, fabulous weight loss, it will get even better as the weeks go by!! 🙂

Hi April, a belated welcome to the forums. I’m so glad you have found this diet and these forums. I could not lose weight, other than an odd pound, on other diets, this was has taken me down by 2st 11lbs so easily!!

When you stick with the diet you will find you quickly don’t want/desire starchy, sugary foods. It is a REVELATION!!!!

By the summer ( if it comes) you will be proudly parading around in lovely summer frocks no longer embarrassed by your slimmer body 🙂