FANTASTIC!!!! Well done Bubblesdevere! You must be chuffed to bits!

I know you’ve got a distance to travel yet, but what a success to spur you on. I bet your doctor was thrilled with you!

Onward and downwards!

Hey Princetonian Stud, what’s this about Mumbo Jumbo on these forums? Do you mean this forum?

If so, lots of people here who have done significant research into this subject, looking at medically documented research, not the odd Internet headline.

Best regards to you.

Hi there Wilma F, thanks for your suggsstion re buckwheat crackers, I picked up a pkt while shopping this afternoon. Haven’t tried them yet, but good to have a choice. Cheers.

And again Weissdorn – replied on your other thread, where I recommended what you have evidently concluded which is that maybe the Med diet will suit your particular body response better.

However there is increasing evidence that for the majority of people a calorie restricted weight loss programme, kick started by eliminating refined carbohydrates, is effective in reversing type 2. Dr Roy Taylor’s research is now funded by the Diabetes Association as a result.

Many people here have seen excellent results, my OH among them.

Wishing you very well with your own path.

Hi Weissdorn

Please see my reply on your other thread.

Hope you feel better soon – the replies here from Janet and Krystyna make a lot of sense

Good luck

Good going, Midnight Pumpkin!

No, you may not lose 5lbs each day, but just bank it – 2.5 bags of sugar gone, and not missed!

Carry on carrying on!

Good luck!

Hi Weissdorn

Sorry you’ve not been feeling great.

If you have not been counting carbs, but simply following BSD principles and 800 calories as far as you can, i would be very surprised if you are eating less than 50g of carbs per day, because this takes some effort to achieve – because there are carbs and sugars in many foods.

I speak as one who spent my BSD time aiming at 20-30g of carbs (which worked for me) but needs planning to do.

I think your symptoms – and I’m not minimising them – are much more likely to be as a result of your hormonal response trying to switch from gaining energy from carbs to getting energy from your fat cells. Depending on one’s individual response this can proceed smoothly or cause quite disturbing symptoms which have been nicknamed “carb flu”.

If you think about it, if your body is struggling and wanting carbs, that is why your eating some carbs relieved the symptoms.

I have read extensively on the subject but am not a doctor. I suggest that you do not jump to conclusions, especially given the experience of many people here who have personally seen what their own version of “carb flu” is like.

The symptom is, after all, well documented, and also very understandable for the reasons I quote above.

If I were you, I would spend a little time looking at the nutrients, you can get the hang of this very quickly via a number of apps, and also consider whether your body response suggests you will be better cutting out refined carbs but not restricting calories simultaneously – ie following the Mediterranean Diet path rather than BSD limited calories.

But do not give up and draw conclusions too quickly.

Good luck

Hi all, I’m new to BSD! Just finished the book this morning, started the Fast 800 last Sunday anyway, made a few mistakes and have lost 6.5 lbs as of this morning. It has not been easy, but definitely not as difficult as I was expecting.
I’m not diabetic or pre diabetic, just looking to be much healthier. My morning glucose readings have been in the low 80s. I wonder if those numbers will change much in 8 weeks?
Also, for anyone living on the East Coast, where do you buy full-fat yogurt and cottage cheese? I’ve only seen low fat and fat free.

Well, some stuff went wrong at work and i didnt start properly, held my weight through this time and now things are really smooth, so I can get on this properly. Started yesterday weighed myself this morning and im down 5 pounds overnight, cant see that happening every day. First day was obviously easy, so is today but i expect it to get harder. Walking for an hour every day still and will try and keep that going but i picked a slightly less hilly route now due to fewer calories. My route before was really steep this is just rolling hills and forest walking now.

Hi weissdorn
I do agree with greenjanet’s reply. I also think that the issues with cortisol are not as black and white as the article suggests. I have type 1 and have a meter that continuously monitors my blood sugar. Stress can either send my blood sugars very low – or very high. There is no rhyme or reason to it. Other type 1s have said the same. I am following the med diet but had the same issues that other people on the BSD 800 had – where blood sugars suddenly rose after about 5 weeks on the diet. I had to up my insulin for a week – then blood sugars resolved and have been very good since. I started the diet because I had noticed that the insulin had started to be not so effective. I was having to inject at a ratio of 1:7 (previously I was between 1:10 and 1:12). Now, after 3 months on the med diet and losing 1stone and 1lb the insulin to carb ratio is 1:12 to 1:15 which I am really pleased with. Michael Mosely addresses the cortisol issue in a section headed Sorting out your head – which is really helpful.
Best wishes Krystyna

Ziggy I tried the 5:2 diet, and found that it doesn’t work me. Works for 1 week, and then no weight loss for the following 3 weeks. I did give it a month. I guess only the med diet is left.

This is not anything about the “Carb flu”. I wish people actually read medical journals.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050641/

http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(16)00004-4/abstract?cc=y=

1 in 3 people in US (if not all OECD countries) has Fatty Liver Disease and they do not even know it. Fat does not only suffocate the liver, but also the pancreas! It freaked me out after seeing the pictures of my liver and checked my liver enzymes from these dangerous drugs I take for epilepsy!

I do suggest getting PROFESSIONAL ADVICE instead of mumbo jumbo on in these forums. People just believe everything in these web sites today! One needs to become Columbo or Ellery Queen and investigate for the true answers needed.

Live Long And Prosper!

If the Fast 800 doesn’t suit you, you could move to the 5:2 diet or the med diet?

In the last 3.5 weeks I have lost 15.4 lbs and a total of 8 inches overall so far. 🙂

Nice job Kjb21, I just got my hubby onboard with the plan this week. And it was difficult having him eat the foods I couldn’t eat before he started on this with me. It’s much easier when we are both eating the same things, easier for meal prep too. 🙂

Oh Lucia.

My lovely don’t give the old bit of choc another thought, you and I are on this plan for the foreseeable, we want to be slimmer chrimbo pixies don’t we. So as 1960 said just brush yourself of, plan, enjoy, and get excited about feeling Incontrol, loosing weight and feeling fab. Go and dig out something that you want to get into that’s poss in a short while, try it on and try it on again in a week.

Yeahhhh you can do it, we can all do it together.
😎😎😎

Hi weissdorn.

I think you are using any ad hoc written not even necessarily researched evidence, to give you answers, all the info you need is in the BSD 800 book, yes there is a rise in blood sugar, but that is due to your body rebooting all the junk that we all ate. It will all settle, I have seen this written on here a few times, and it does settle. I suggest instead of just writing here, where it could be misconstrued by the uninformed, to just email the admins of this site. They are the professionals you should be seeking advice from this is an important decision for you and it is important you get the correct reassurance from a source you trust.

Just to think about…..If this eating plan didn’t work for type 2 diabetics, then I think the evidence would have been apparent very quickly. There are hundreds to my knowledge who have gone before you and turned around their health. This plan has also been running for a number of years. Just check things out and read the book if you haven’t already done so.

Wishing you well jan

Hi all, first time posting, am now on week 6 of BSD and have lost 5 kilos so far. Not a huge amount from waist (1.5 inches) but am so pleased as am menopausal and have under active thyroid so losing weight is very difficult. My husband is also doing the diet (thank goodness as I’d never stick to it otherwise) and he’s lost over 7 kilos. We’re both finding this difficult but it’s worth it!

Like Frog, I try to keep at around the 50g of carbs a day, but it is often lower. However, I have found that if I push them too low, my weight loss seems to stall, so I look to stick between 25g and 50g. You’ll be surprised how many carbs sneak into things like tomatoes and there are even carbs in stuff like celery and lettuce, but maybe you have been reducing the carbs too drastically. When I first started on the BSD, I did a few weeks without looking at carbs and only did so, when I plateaued and needed some way of kick starting things again.

Are you able to put aside some time in the evenings to do a little meditation? State of mind is very important for wellbeing. Even just sitting mindfully for a ten minutes, concentrating on your breathing and relaxing, should make a difference.

I really don’t know how many carbs I eat. I mean, I would fix the breakfasts mentioned in the book. Then lunch on a plain salad with some lean tuna or feta chunks – no dressing, no processed foods. Then I would not anything for say 6-8 hours. It’s a long time until I can get home and make dinner.

And to top it off, I have a fairly high stress load, and I take cortisone for allergies. I really don’t have that much time – I’m sorry to say – to study how many (or how few) carbs I’m ingesting. I’m just steering clear of breads, noodle, rice, potatoes, and anything that comes out of a bakery.

Still I think I may need, like you said, 100 a day until I adjust, then lower it gradually.

But then I think maybe I need to shed stress – though I really don’t know how to do it. Being unemployed was more stressful than working. 🙁

Glad you found the solution weissdorn, and feel better now
As you say, I guess it will be a case of doing things in moderation – maybe the mediteranean style diet might be looking at as an option?

How low had you taken your carbs? I try and average 50 a day which seems quite common, but some posters achieve far lower daily carb targets, and others have a target higher than 50. Reading around before I started BSD, I read that any level of carbs below 100 is considered “low carb”, and I think the UK RDA is around 200.
As well as taking things in moderation, it may be that you can reduce carbs slowly, allowing your body to adjust to a different style of eating over a period of weeks or months.

Good luck with it going forward – hope you find the right solution for yourself.

After going into nearly a shock yesterday, and solving it with a very small dose of carbs, I’m beginning to have my doubts, too – especially after reading this article:

http://www.livingthenourishedlife.com/how-you-can-have-high-blood-sugar/

I wonder why Dr. Mosley never addressed gluconeogenesis. To read the article, you would think a low carb diet is the most certain way to become a diabetic.

Okay, I am obese and pre-diabetic, and I’ve been on the BSD for nearly a week, but I have to admit that I’m worried because my BSL is continuing to increase. My vision is blurry, I’m tired, thirsty and … well that sounds like I’m already a full-fledged diabetic, right?

And come to find out, I borrowed a diabetic’s test stripes – and on the BSD – my Blood Sugar Level is INCREASING!

People in the forum keep saying, “Oh, don’t worry, you just have the carb flu.”

Well, I looked up here, just to be sure:

http://www.livingthenourishedlife.com/how-you-can-have-high-blood-sugar/

And I found out it’s not the “flu”. I’m not adjusting. My BSL is increasing. It’s called “gluconeogenesis”, or for those not savy in medicine, it means that my sugar is increasing because my body is eating itself to make sugar. And then my body is “dealing” with the results of eating itself very poorly.

I’d very much like to know why Dr. Michael Mosley never discussed gluconeogenesis in his diet book. It’s the reason why some nutrition experts don’t recommend low carb diets.

Yesterday was just too much. I was breaking out in sweats every 1/2 hour, and I was feeling faint, and I had terrible cramps in my legs. I was considering going to hospital. But instead I went to the BAKERY and bought 1 whole-grained roll, and ate it slowly.

And guess what!
I felt better immediately. Blurry vision stopped. And my BSL is down this morning from 124 to 107.

Conclusion: I think I will have to slow down on this diet, and up the calorie intake to 1000 and eat something like a slice of bread at least once a week. And I mean healthy bread or noodles, and not donuts or biscuits.

Thanks Bubblesdevere!

I’m a little concerned because yesterday did not go well health-wise, and I ate some carbs to prevent getting sick. I’m going to repost something I discovered about fatigue, insomnia and the so-called “carb flu” I found. I’m starting to have second thoughts about reducing the carbs so drastically.

And the crowd goes wild….:-)

Taster session organised for Saturday morning!

After 9 weeks on this plan, have just got back from GP and my HbA1c is normal! Next retest in 6 months!

Oldbluejeans

Bril work on your weight loss, and doesn’t it feel good when you say no, it’s great isn’t it to be in control of the old monster appetite. Keep up the excellent work.😎😎😬

Hi Jan & Yowzer – well done

this morning – ta daa – my weight starts with an 8!!!
Sadly nowhere near 8 stone, but in the eighties with kg
89.9 admittedly, but 89.90 is better than 89.95 (oh yes, those new scales are detailed!)

I got very close a week ago, but not quite there, then put a kilo on & been hovering just above 90 for a few days.

Should have a big fireworks icon here Middleage1

2 STONE GONE
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2 STONE GONE
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that’s one for the unintended consequences thread!

such inspiration on this thread and 8 days ago I was ready to chuck the whole thing as it seemed to be so much work for such little reward but hey-ho – all of a sudden the weight has started going down again. I’m nearly at the end of week 5, lost 12lbs (very good for me), 3 inches off my waist, there is a visible difference looking in the mirror (no more back fat rolls!!!) and I’ve gone from obese to overweight on the NHS BMI scale – albeit only just there but it’s a definite improvement. I also feel so much better than before I started. More energy, sleeping much better and not craving carbs every two hours.

The hardest thing I’ve done so far is say no thanks to a Devon cream tea at friend’s house next week, I’m just having the tea. I explained that I was on this diet for medical, not only vanity reasons and friend (more of an acquaintance really) was very understanding and now wants details of the diet for herself and her husband!

Hi Frog, nice talking to you.
My OH – such a nice man, really. Shares household chores, hasn’t let recent health setbacks turn him into an old grump….but….not the most patient person re “gadgets” (his description) so….I used the toaster bags to keep the toaster clear of contaminating crumbs. But, lol, haven’t had toast for 8 weeks😉 so thanks to BSD, no crumbs, no toaster bags. The smell of toasting bread still makes me drool, though.
Thanks for the good thought, hope all going well on your BSD path.

Had my hBa1c done yesterday, and the GPs phoned me this morning to say that one of the tests done on the blood came back showing ‘low platelets’ and they wanted me in again in a month for another blood test to keep an eye on it.

Was wondering if this was a diet related thing? Had this happened to anybody else – I am vegetarian too.

Hi Izzy

Bril go for it girl, are you beginning to feel the benefit now. Hope you have a happy day😎😎😎

Yeahhhh way to go Yowser.

Ooh we are neck and neck in the weight loss stakes, I’ve 1/2 a pound to 2 stone, ooh aren’t we a right pair of goody two shoes, are you feeling the difference now, I have gone down a dress size and the wedding I’m going to on the 3 Sep I now have three outfits, one that fits now, one if I can loose about 7 lbs and the lovely one that I would love to get into, well I can get into it now, but my bosoms look like something out of a Victorian drama, all cleavage you know what I mean, so life is never dull is it on this plan. I’ve also gone over 10% loss as well which feels a big milestone, hehe not thinking about the other 20% odd just one day at a time huh, and before we know it we are at another weigh day.

I’m being right risky today and having walnuts and an apple with my lunch, expensive on carbs but fancy a change, unfortunately I’d already scoffed the blueberries for brekkie before I remembered they are higher than the raspberries I also had, so going to have to be very careful today otherwise it will be. 70-80 carb day, and I hate that when you think you’ve been good, but you’ve just miscalculated or something, it has been known to made me binge on walnuts. Ooh o know how to live.

Happy day everyone.😎😎😎
This is the only time I have been pleased that time goes faster when you are older.

Okay, I am obese and pre-diabetic, and I’ve been on the BSD for nearly a week, but I have to admit that I’m worried because my BSL is continuing to increase. My vision is blurry, I’m tired, thirsty and … well that sounds like I’m already a full-fledged diabetic, right?

And come to find out, I borrowed a diabetic’s test stripes – and on the BSD – my Blood Sugar Level is INCREASING!

People in the forum keep saying, “Oh, don’t worry, you just have the carb flu.”

Well, I looked up here, just to be sure:
http://www.livingthenourishedlife.com/how-you-can-have-high-blood-sugar/

And I found out it’s not the “flu”. My BSL is increasing. It’s called “gluconeogenesis”, or for those not savy in medicine, it means that my sugar is increasing because my body is eating itself to make sugar. And then my body is “dealing” with the results of eating itself very poorly.

I’d very much like to know why Dr. Michael Mosley never discussed gluconeogenesis in his diet book. It’s the reason why some nutrition experts don’t recommend low carb diets.

Yesterday was just too much. I was breaking out in sweats every 1/2 hour, and my feeling faint, and had terrible cramps in my legs. I was considering going to hospital. But instead I went to the BAKERY and bought 1 whole-grained roll, and ate it slowly.

And guess what!
I felt better immediately. Blurry vision stopped. And my BSL is down this morning from 124 to 107.

Conclusion: I think I will have to slow down on this diet, and up the calorie intake to 1000-1200 and eat something like a slice of bread at least once a week. And I mean healthy bread or noodles, and not donuts or biscuits.

12/08/16

Week 5
Day 5

Diet starting weight: 18 stone 6 pound

Weight now: 16 stone 6 pound (104.32kg)
BMI: 26.5

Hi Yowser49 and Ziggy
Thanks. I have officially lost 2st today. I still of bags of enthusiasm and now aim to lose another stone and arrive in the healthy weight region on the BMI scale. So onwards and downwards!.

Having just been away camping ( yes it was howling gales) I have discovered to my horror that I have put on 5 lbs in 5days!!!! How is that possible. I didn’t stick rigidly to the 800 but we did lots of outdoorsy activities. Hey ho I am back on it now and planning a second bloc of PersonalTraining to get the next stone off 🤗 On the plus side my doctor reduced one of my BP medications by half yesterday something I never thought would happen. Great result 👍🤗

Well done Yowzer. That’s awesome! Inspiring!

O LUCIA
I needed that laugh this morning, so Thanku….visualising your own version of the Olympics!!!

And re the mars bar what can we say, wipe the talc of your knuckles and begin again…..

Good Morning!
JAN, i have flown off the plateau with yr help..its day 31 and i’ve lost a pound,22 lb in 30 days.
Have a groovy Friday everyone
* big waves* to LUCKY x

Well done IZZY..fingers x’d for tuesday. Sounds like you have a busy day ahead,take care! X

But

Who would if thought a big bird like me could do a rolly polly, or forward roll.

Nearly got stuck half way through, but the physics behind it for all those scientists who are reading this is….

The momentum of the blubber starting the run up, would work like a tidal wave and pull me, and the blubber through the roll and continue knocking through the telly, bay window and finally stopping somewhere on the front lawn.

Have a good day😎😎😎😎😎
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Passion killers = huge knickers

Love Lucia
Xxxx

So team,
I stand before you ashamed, a fraud, a cad and loads of othe words like that.

Here’s how it happened.

I thought I would give those gymnasts a run fir their money, so
In the privacy if my own lounge, telly on,
I wore my vest, passion killers and tights.
Well it’s the nearest thing to dressing like them with their Lycra leotards etc.

I resin’d up my hands ( okay I put some lily of the valley talc on my hands)

I lay a long scarf along the floor and did my beam exercise, boy was I at least a 9.8 score.

The mat was easy, I reminded myself of olga Korbut. I need I should have tied my hair in little bunches.

I can’t do the bars OH says the plaster will come off the ceiling!!

So just the vault.
I went through to the dining room to get the long run, resin’d my hands again.
The crowd went silent, I concentrated, I went through my movements in my head.
Yes I was ready.
I lifted my arms up to his the judges that a miracle was about to happen.
I ran, three hundred miles an hour, placed my feet perfectly together, tucked my arms in and did the most perfect roll forward along the carpet. Came to my feet. Put my arms up. I had completed the perfect forward roll along the carpet. I watched the score board…..the judge…… My OH gave me an 9.9!!!!
What on earth do I have to do for a perfect ten??

So, here comes the hard bit…. The bit I am ashamed of, I had… No I can’t say it,… It’s too dreadful….. Okay, but I expect your understanding and forgiveness…..or the phone number if someone to give me therapy…….
,”…………
Ok. I had….. A Mars bar…

Aahhhhhhhhhhh!! ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️
Oh woe is me
The shame…
I blogged about one yesterday. Must have played on my mind.
You see, hubby had one if those duo packs, two little Mars bars.

I stand in front of you, ashamed, head hanging down,… I will go and stand in the corner.

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Brilliant news igorasusual – so well done, now enjoy all the things you have not been able to do for ages and renew your wardrobe! Hope to be joining you in a month latest….. 🙂

excellent, well done Izzy – hope that you make your Tuesday goal

Sorry – no response on Vegemite – other than ditto with peanut butter!
But Baristagirls – where have you been! ?
Hope that everything is going well for you.

Marsie – on OH toasting GF bread, have you tried those toaster bags? They’re intended for toasted sandwiches, but a former colleague who had coeliac used to use them all the time – mostly to isolate her GF toast, but she never mentioned problems with toasting eing uneven.

mid week weigh in shows me down to 10st 12.6, so only 0.6 off my next target and stepping forward again. after showing a 2 lb gain on tues, now I’ve lost that plus 1.4 more 🙂 hopefully by tuesday I will hit or pass 10st 12, which will be 2 whole stone gone on bsd.

My son is playing in his room with lego and I’m chilling in bed but I’ll be up soon. I need to move a couple of radiators and husband and I are completely changing around 3 rooms today.