I have previously asked the forum for advice regarding the percentages for Fat Protein, Carbs that we should aim fro (or to be a guide) in the 800 calorie diet. A number of people have replied, each giving different figures. I would be greatfull if anyone could suggest a site or article where these details are explained. Dr Michaels book and the Newcastle report just says 800 calories should be the target, not the nutrients within them.
any help would be appreciated, thanks

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it will be great for us PCOSers ( or cysters as I’ve seen us called!) to support each other. That’s good advice that the weight loss slowed when you deviated a bit- those words have rung in my ears when I have been tempted to get too creative!! I put on so much weight when I was pregnant and it was because of PCOS but I didn’t know I had it then so I had no idea why! Its great at least you know that you have so you know how to fight it as conventional diets don’t work for us (I put on weight when I did weight watchers as its more then I can eat.) I feel like this is working for hopefully it will for you too- good luck!!

I had the Bircher too- lawnmower29 it was lovely. Yesterday I was v hungry too and I also went to the gym so I could have eaten the cat/table leg whilst I was trying to get the kids into bed last night so I could go and eat my last meal!
Today I have made some sugar free jelly and some cauliflower, ginger and carrot soup which has really helped. I also had some celery and ate my falafels in two sittings so it’s been better. I also feel like or is working which is really motivating!

Hello Penny.

thanks for the link. I don’t have a lot of dairy, so will increase my fluid intake more.

Many thanks

Hi Salky. How unfair when you have done so well . I suppose the medical profession have strict guide lines and if it hasn’t been passed on to them then they can’t recommend it for safety reasons. That said the weight loss should prove to her that it is worth investigating. I do think one should be careful about dropping meds and l would only do it with consultation with GP or pharmacist. We have been fed a good deal of strong meds and our bodies will take time to readjust..
l also had a lot of negativity from my GP who told me l was too old to go on such a strict diet and to go to a slimming class and follow a low calorie diet. She obviously hasn’t read the book!
My diabetic nurse yesterday was a bit more enthusiastic, hadn’t heard of the diet but liked Michael Mosley so will probably read it. She was reluctant about the strictness. She also didn’t think l would get off any meds, so we shall have to see. I have lost 12lb in 3 weeks just messing around trying out different aspects of the diet so can’t wait until Fri when l am starting for real.

I made the cheesy scones and used 6 small eggs I put a small dollops on grease proof paper like you would with scones but they don’t look like scones when you do this the cheese seemed to hold it together they came out ok but very eggy taste I like a cheese taste so going to make them again soon with less eggs and play around with the recipe, hope this helps.

Hi Mother of the bride

Re yogurt- michael says all dairy to be full fat. So hard to get my head around that after all these years. Also good to add nuts or seeds for fat and nutrients.
Good luck
Penny

Hi Mother of the bride
I’ve lost even less – 5 lbs in 15 days!
But I’m not complaining as feel so much better.
Re yogurt- michael says all dairy to be full fat. So hard to get my head around that after all these years. Also good to add nuts or seeds for fat and nutrients.
Good luck
Penny

Hi Spirit
Have a look at this site
http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/low-carb-diet-side-effects.html

Deals with all the different side effects including constipation. I ve found dried prunes and sennicot tablets both good.
Penny

Just put it all in myfitnesspal and it came out as 864 calls, a little over but am really pleased with this.

Hi Salky

Words fail me! How dare you be bullied like this. Shame on her!
You are just brilliant , so proud of your attitude & achievement. Courage in adversity

Go to 5:2 BSD forum & How will my GP React thread. I’ve posted MP Keith Vaz email address there. Read it you may have some use for it

Keep it up. You are an inspiration
Eureka

Aly some modern vegan cook books, while defiantly not low carb do have some really adaptable low GI dishes that are super tasty. Baking squashes and dressing with tahini sauce is really nice, and french vegie markets can be ace.

This might be controversial, but … somehigher sugar condiments, like balsamic vinegar or ketchup manis (sweets sauce) used in sensible limited 1quantities, not daily make eating low carbon vegie and dishes more palatable and enjoyable.
Any thoughts?

No to fish, just dairy and veg! I live in Normandy, down the bottom near the border of the Loire. It is hard to find healthy food here! Yummy stuff though!

Trace sugars should be ok, if it was a measurable amount, they would be able to quantify it.
Is the skimmed milk because of the calories? The extra fat in the full fat would be more satisfying but with, I’m guessing, limited extra sugar.

You would think that all GP surgeries would be supportive of this diet.
After all, when you take into account drugs, test equipment, doctors and hospitals time etc, this diet could save the NHS an absolute fortune.

Lost 7lb week 1 and 4lb week 2. Be interesting to see what week 3 brings.

Hi Aly, I visit France regularly and find it difficult to avoid the pain au levain and occasional patisserie! I’m visiting for a month in a couple of weeks including some time in Spain, then in July I’ll be in Normandy for 8 weeks, it will be a testing time I’m sure. I’m hoping to stick to veg and meat with pulses and a bit of cheese now and again. There seems to be a few low carb ‘bread ‘ recipes popping up so I will try those too. Do you eat fish ? I find that helpful as I try not to eat too much meat prior to the new diet.

Thank you all for your wonderful and positive advices. Believe me, If I was determined before, I am going for a result with all guns blazing now. In another three months it will be my next blood tests, followed by a confrontation! Now that IS something to look forward to.
Thanks again.

Hi the blackspot. Like you I am not diabetic and doing the diet because it sounds sensible and for weight loss. It was exactly 3 weeks yesterday I started and have lost a stone. My husband had probably lost half a stone but isn’t as strict as I am. I weight myself each day and haven’t used a tape measure, but clothes that I couldn’t fit into I can get into comfortably now – so that’s a good guide for me , especially with trousers ! Good luck and happy low – carbing for the next 8 weeks !

Found this and thought it was worth £3 for kindle version. It has some great looking recipes for when only bread/crackers will do!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Low-Carb-Breads-Crackers-More-ebook/dp/B00R5PRM90/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1455721590&sr=1-1&keywords=low+carb+breads+childs

Lost 30 pounds up to today. I was 16 stone, 5ft 2ins when I started, 13 stone 12 pounds today. Only another 56 pounds to go!

No sugar mentioned on the bottle but I live in France where not all things are obvious! Will use it sparingly!
I bought some coconut flour when in the UK last week so will have a look at the recipe.

Amazing. How much have you lost in total?
I was 13 stone & 5ft 4 when I started. Week 2 today!

Hi. I lost 10 in week 1 and 3 in week 2. Now on week 9.

Hi Cherianne,

Thank you, that’s really helpful.

The ‘matchbox’ sized piece of cheddar has been really confusing so what you said is good to know.

I will check out the diet sections in the local supermarkets here. Or I’ll go to the local Wholefoods store, as I think they should have a diabetic section.

Thank you again 😊

Ps, please can you send some sunshine from Oz, it is freezing here! ☀️☃⛄️☀️

Hi, I’m having the same issues with working out my macros. I’m not sure how low the carbs should be! It’s nice to find other geeks who are bothered by this!
This is my first day of BSD but I have experimented with MFP in the past.
Today I’ve had an apple with pure peanut butter (WAY too much because I didn’t realise my scales were on the ounces setting, not grams, until too late: facepalm and no lunch) and I’m about to make the aubergine, lamb and pomegranate dinner from the book. This all works out at just under 800 cals, 67% fat, 22% protein and 11% carbs. Do you reckon this is way off what it should be? I did a sort of trial day last week and the macros were pretty similar- feels like too much fat.

How are you guys achieving such an even balance? Where are you getting your carbs?

Thanks for the quick replies,
I am also cutting down my calorie intake to 600 for the next two days to help with any over indulgence.
Bill I spoke to my husband but due to the fact the family have chosen the taster menu, I will have to do what Celsa suggested and leave the high carb parts, or pass them on to someone else.
I am already looking forward to getting back home on Sunday evening and proper food as I now call my diet, no processed rubbish.

Thanks again Hedds

Just wondering what kind of weight losses people are getting on week 2?

Thanks Lou

How unfair and unprofessional, very sorry to hear. I’m not (yet) diabetic but arranged a nurse appointment. I took the book and the pdf for medics recommended in the book. The nurse took this onboard and has been very supportive.

Good luck in getting better support.

my wife was going to get some balsamic vinegar for me the other day, but she said, when she checked the label, it has loads of sugar in it.
As to the bread, check out the recipe I posted today for cocnut flour flatbreads, very tasty and filling but with none of the bad stuff.

Finally got my head around this and today is day 1. It is a challenge being vegetarian but am waiting for a low carb veg book to arrive which I hope will help. I am keeping my porridge for breakfast but using jumbo oats which I have read are better. Today I had two boiled eggs and two mandarins for lunch and dinner will be a quorn product with assorted veg roasted in olive oil and balsamic vinegar. I am not actively counting calories as know how obsessed I can become. It sets me up for failure which I do not need. It is very hard for me to give up bread so the plan is to do without for 7 days then possibly have my favorite toast but am hoping I will be able to do without. Lots of psychology in this. It will be one day at a time for me.

hi can any one help. Im on day 3 and doing ok, however ive been having 1/4 pint of skimmed milk for my nespresso coffee in the morning which i cant do without. i am counting 50 cals for this . According to the bottle there is 4.9 grams of suger per 100ml which is about what i am consuming. Also i have been drinking
Asdas sparkling lemon & lime water which says zero added sugar but on the label says a “trace” of sugar, but also on label says containing naturally occuring sugars. I,m a bit confused about all this and do not want to sabatage the diet.
Maybe i need to ask Michael Mosley.

I’m sleeping well, but then I always do.

Hmmm I take metformin and Exanatide injections (marketed as Byetta) I dont know if it’s the same as yours, it’s supposed to slow down the rate at which food passes from the stomach to the intestine and also reduces your appetite, fixed dose 10mg twice a day.
I’m losing weight and seeing a reduction in my blood sugar as well so, if the injection sounds similar to yours, I’d say go ahead.

Afternoon all, day three update …all going well yippee…not finding this difficult at all. Headaches have been a bit of an issues although I’m drinking loads of water and spending a lot of time (day and night on the loo) I’ve cut out coffee and tea so maybe it’s a detox reaction?
Decided not to weigh today after yesterday’s result trying to hold off to give myself a nice surprise at the end of the week, well done to you Cassie that is an amazing loss in two days wow!!!
I had a big breakfast this morning, two slices of ham, a boiled egg, a grilled tomato and grilled mushroom, not the sort of thing I’d normally have so I feel like I’m spoiling myself 😊 Total calories where 260 so I’m looking at a miso veg soup for lunch, if I feel the need, or an orange. Is it ok to have an orange?
Veg curry for dinner, interested to try the cauliflower rice.
Anyway well done all keep up the good work x

Keep in mind that there is no reason you have to finish a plate of food. Feel secure in stopping eating when you’re full, and/or not eating the carb laden parts of the meal. It’s not a waste of money as you can’t pick and choose the amount of food you order.

First I’d be having a word with the husband, something along the lines of “what’s more important, one birthday or the rest of my life”
Then when that fails (it will) just do the best you can with the food on offer and get straight back on the diet afterwards.

In a few weeks I’ll be moving from Fast 800 to 5:2 and wonder how others have made the transition, how it has affected weight loss and fasting bloods levels.

I’ll have been on 800 for about 12 weeks (after checking with the team), but on their advice have to make the change.

So far I’ve lost 30 pounds (only another 56 to go!) bloods and BP both down.

Any advice?

Hi Salky, make a gesture that doesn’t involve all of your fingers to her !
Health professionals just shouldn’t be acting like this, I’d be telling her “it’s your treatment that has me in this state and now I am going to do something about it my self as you don’t seem to have a clue.

Hi all,
I hope to be starting the BSD shortly, after I have spoken to the dietician at the Diabetes Research Unit at Southmead Hospital (who is very keen and currently running trials on the BSD).
My question is, I am currently on 1000mg of Metformin twice daily and on 20mcg of Lixisenatide once a day, and no other diabetic medication. Does anyone have any experience of the diet whilst on these drugs. The Metformin is easily adjustable, but, the Lixisenatide is a fixed dose injection.

Are you eating enough fat to sustain your body ?
I had sugar problems and after taking advice on here I upped my fat levels and the sugar levels went down.
I think it has something to do with the liver releasing stored sugar.

Hi Salky. So sorry that happened to you. I’ve often felt we see improvement in our health despite the professionals, not because of them! At the moment I’m getting a lot of support from one diabetes nurse, but not the other nurse. Guess which one I talk too! Hope you have another nurse you can see who will be more helpful.

Having become a little jaded over the last few days, I logged on to this forum this morning to find some fab ideas and support waiting for me so thank you all. Its has spurred me on! The scales havent gone down since the 1st week drop of 6lbs but measurements have. To Penny (Pmshrink) I have lost 1.5 inches so cant complain! A friend (retired Diabetes Nurse) tells me that this is usually a sign the fat could be coming off my internal organs which is great. Im also going to cut a piece of string to fit my waist as ‘Squidgy’ mentioned, so I have something visual for when the scales dont motivate me.

Thanks ‘Orchid’ for the chart plotting idea… again a visual aid for when I feel de motivated. I guess we are only organic matter, we cant expect there to be no wobble to our weightloss line :0)

and yes ‘Merseychic’ you are right, Michael does debunk the starvation mode myth, but when you’re eating less than half the cals you usually eat and there’s no loss, you start to worry your body isn’t on your side… getting as impatient as I have been, I just felt my body must be in a state of war with itself. I will also now remember good old Bear Gryls on his island …its impossible not to loose weight on 800cals a day so I know at some point in the near future that scale needle WILL move and I shouldn’t focus so much on it. I think for me, a weekly weigh in would be best.
Onwards and upwards… strike that… DOWNwards! :0)

No worries Natasha. Oils are a hot topic (haha, it’s the way I tell ’em!)

Hi Natasha,
I think a matchbox size piece of cheese is very small, about 25-30g usually. I would consider a dessert spoon full to be a dollop. Can’t help with where to buy it as I live in Australia. Does your supermarket have a diet or health food section you could look in?
I can fit 12 walnut halves(250cals/1.1g carbs) in my palm.
Not a clue about the ham as I’m vegetarian but someone else on the forum will know.
Hope this helps.

Good morning this is my day 3, got on the scales this morning and I have lost 4lbs (my diet buddy – hubby lost 3). Had the no carb Bircher for breakfast and doing the beetroot meal for lunch today. Promised myself that I would drink more as had a fuzzy head last night. Have never been very good with my fluid intake the practice nurse tells me off at ever visit, hopefully she will be pleased at the next meeting. Good luck everyone 😀

Oh Salky, I feel for you. That is so unfair when your results speak for themselves!! I think 20lbs and almost 5″ from your waistline is a great achievement.
If your blood pressure is good and your sugars are down you shouldn’t have any concerns about what you are doing. Keep up the good work. Maybe as you continue to show improvement she will change her mind. Is there another nurse at your Surgery you could see next time.
Hopefully your GP will be more positive and encouraging.

Thanks snackerlady for the post. I’m feeling reassured after reading all the other posts that my weight loss is typical. After the first couple of days on the diet I wasn’t hungry at all but this week I have felt hungry pretty much constantly. I try to drink more water than I already am to fill me up but it isn’t always easy when it is cold outside. I miss my unlimited cups of tea – I’m limiting myself to 4 per day because of the calories from the milk.
I hope that you keep feeling not hungry and you have good weight loss, I’ll look forward to your future posts.