Hi sos
I feel just like you, was freezing for a couple of days last week and starving too! Then again this week a couple of days cold, however not hungry, I know it is cold for me where I live, in sunny uk! However feeling cold with all the layers on and the central heating up high that’s not just the weather! I think it’s just the way some of us react to rapid(ish) weight loss and nothing to worry about as long as you are losing weight, keep up the good work and I’m sure you will have ups and downs but finally reach your goal, happy dieting.

Hi. The book suggests looking up the Low GI guidelines which i understand are 25% protein 25% fat and 50% non starchy carbs. I use My net diary and roughly work to those percentages. I’m finding it way more important to track my fibre ensuring a minimum of 23g and make sure im eating enough good fat. Im religiously only consuming full fat dairy, olive oil etc. I’m near end of week 4 and Have already lost 7kgs and 3cm off my waist. Great sources of fibre – Kumara (orange sweet potato) and prunes.

Hi net trim

Curious about the ketosis equals high sugar. I’m not aware of that theory. I’d be grateful if you shed some more light. You’re doing bette than me btw. I had a pre-dinner level of 8.4 yesterday and 8.2 tonight. Back up from the 7.0 from the day before – damn! Pressing on though tempted to reach for the metformin again. I’ve not taken any since 16th Feb.

Feel free to tell me to mind my own but curious how many of you re still taking metformin etc or going bareback like me.

Squidgy – just reading your post about going to the gym etc and the high consequent result. I also found out that a really bad time to take a bs level is too soon after a workout – my blood sugar shot up. Make sure you’re well and truly feasted from any vigorous excercise I guess.

Hi bill1954
Just read your post, I am thrilled to hear the news, I don’t drink, however I will have one square of green and blacks 70% chocolate with my cup of tea to celebrate with you. I always look forward to seeing your posts they are so full of positivity! I am in a better place this weekend as well, you advised me not long ago about my worry about not losing enough weight, I am now losing it slowly and have tried a few more outfits on, all but two now fit me, still have trousers to do, then I can get my holiday clothes ready! Thank you once again bill for your inspiration and help, now (i am holding my cup up and my tiny piece of chocolate) cheers to you and your family, and I will continue to pray for you all as she recovers, God bless, christine

Hi M,
I’d say yes, this sounds about right. Although it could be quite hard to match the calories with the carbs sometimes. For example, meat contains no carbs at all but it does have calories. You might find a website called Diet Doctor quite useful. It advocates less than 50g of carbs for ketosis and under 20g for maximum fat burning. Although I started off on the 800 regime, I have switched to only counting carbs and not calories and I aim for 50g of carbs a day. I am losing weight and I know I am still low calorie as I only have two meals a day and they are much smaller than I ever used to have due to my appetite being greatly reduced. Good luck with finding the answers you need.

Hi Leeanne.
Hope you have felt better today. I had a stinking migraine today, so I wonder if it is connected with that. I am still a grumpy mare today, but not as bad as the last few days!

Hi Leeanne.
Hope you have felt better today. I had a stinking migraine today, so I wonder if it is connected with that. I am still a grumpy mare today, but not as bad as the last few days!

Hi Richard, yes, that’s when I realised that god must be a man, when I realised men seem to loser faster than women (only joking!) I think it is because men have a higher muscle ratio than women and so a faster metabolism. Well done on your weight loss so far. Personally I don’t think it matters if it is water or not. I’m glad to get rid of anything I don’t need to be carrying around with me, whether its water or fat or anything else. Great job, keep it up.

Thank you for your help and comments.
Having read the book cover to cover a couple of times, I understand the need for good quality fat in the diet (nuts, avocado, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil etc.) It is the amount relative to carbs and protein I want to know, while staying under 800 calories. Does the following sound (about) right to people?
45g carbohydrate (approx. 180 calories) (note this level seems to work for me and definitely in ketosis, even though not losing weight!)
50g protein (approx. 200 calories)
45g fat (approx. 405)
anyone any ideas?

Hi Malkay

Not sure what your starting point was, but whatever it was I’d say 11lb is considerable. It is a shame the loss isn’t showing in the area you wanted, but as RozyDozy says, our bodies don’t work in a uniform way. I can understand you feeling fed up and frustrated and this is absolutely the place to have a whinge and get it off your chest.

Don’t be too down, you have done well to date and continued weight loss – even slow – is a positive. My suggestion is to be kind to yourself, go away on your break and enjoy it, then come back and start anew. Remember that a big chunk of the battle is mental, so recognise your achievement and focus on the positive.

As for whether you stick with the BSD or swap to the 5:2, it really depends how you feel about it. Maybe a break from the BSD and moving to the 5:2 will help you refocus. But please don’t sabotage your achievement by binging – I’m sure you would regret it.

Hi nettyrim i ordered my sticks from amazon.
Don’t worry about your fbs as this has happened to a lot of people. Read what cherrieanne has posted as she has turned hers around again. 🙂

Hi Lucia, doing really well thanks, out for lunch again today and found a blue cheese, pear and walnut salad with pea shoots, told them to hold the dressing and although not full didn’t feel the need to reach for the dessert menu! Even resisted picking off others plates! Made a stir fry for tea which was delish with courgetti.

Well done with the chips – proud of you

Not sure about the garden worm as can’t stand wriggly things but sure I could be on standby to give bear grylls the kiss of life if he was ever to choke on one! Could even force myself to rip open his shirt to start cpr!

B – none
L – 2 scrambled eggs with butter
A pinch of sliced almonds
D – salmon fillet, avocado, broccoli, cauli, baby sweetcorn all steamed and served with butter.
I managed to pick up a low fat yoghurt yesterday by mistake so instead of strawbs with yoghurt for supper (if I bother) I will have strawbs with coconut oil.

Bad news folks. Yesterday and today fbg was 7.6 and 7.4. What will tomorrow bring?

Also where are you all getting your keto sticks from? I would like to test the theory about ketosis equals high sugars. Thanks

Janet1973 is absolutely right, the BSD not meant to be a low fat diet. It is the fat that keeps you feel sated and pushes the body to burn fat. Obviously you will want to follow the diet prescribed to you Fatty and if it is working for you, all to the good. It is important though, that other following the BSD understand that they should be eating full fat on this diet.

Hi Malkay,
11 pounds is nothing to be disappointed about. My weight loss has been slow – I am a couple of weeks further on than you and I’ve only just clocked up the magic one stone. While I have lost a bit off my waistline, I seem to have lost a bit more off my backside. And I’ve still got abdominal fat. For what it’s worth, this past week I seem to have managed 5 consecutive days of weight loss – I have lost about 3lbs this week, the most I’ve managed on this diet – I have no idea why. My progress has been a bit down, bouncing up, plateauing, then a bit more loss.
You say you are still losing weight – that’s great. Do you feel more energetic – that’s 11 lbs you are no longer carrying around. Those fat gremlins that have so assiduously built up stockpiles in your body will fight hard to keep hold of the stuff. And our bodies don’t react in a uniform way, losing a nice equal amount all over, at a uniform rate.
Maybe you need to look at what you’ve been doing and see if there are any small adjustments you can make, either to food intake or upping your exercise levels. Have you been stressed about anything, perhaps? Are you on medication?

Don’t apologise for being fed up – we all get like that – and sometimes it’s good to have a whinge but focus on what you have achieved. I’m sure there are other people in a similar situation on these forums who might have something helpful to chip in. But don’t give up. Keep your chin up!
Take care,
Rose

Hi I am gearing up to start the 8 week plan and would like to do it with 2 meal replacements and an evening meal. Can anyone recommend the best meal replacement ie high protein no added sugar
thanks

Hi, I’m in week 3 and freezing. Wearing several layers and fluffy dressing gown when indoors. I also get flashes of intense chills. I guess it’s my body reacting to this new regime. Actually being cold is preferable to the hot flushes I am used to. I haven’the read about this as a side effect though.

Hi cat girl,
I am only looking back as far as when I picked up Michaels book. That’s when I started to change.

I have tested myself. Chips were in the table, you know those home made really fat ones, with the most beautiful golden brown colour? Mine for the eating. I was able to have one, didn’t get excited , so moved them on.

I don’t care how long it takes, I will get there.

How are you doing?

Love Lucia
Xxx

Ps. I must ask Scot gran and Bill 1954 how many calories and carbs in a garden worm. 😄

Such a relief for you all Bill. Break out and have that drink, it’s the weekend.you can make up for it next week .Cheers.

Thank you. This sort of tumour is dealt with by excision of ‘wide margins’ and I think mine will be done by a plastic surgeon specialising in mohs – now don’t ask me what that means exactly, but apparently layers are removed until there are no cancer cells present anymore. Sometimes radiotherapy and/or chemo is needed as well. There are only five specialist sarcoma centres in the UK and I am extremely fortunate to be quite close to one that’s linked to Christies in Manchester.

These tumours are like something from the depths of oceans inasmuch they have tentacle like features but once they are removed then you are cured. They rarely spread either. They do grow back if the margins aren’t wide enough so – give me wide margins I say. I did say to someone the other day that I felt out on a limb and that wasn’t appropriate either, but then I guess you know me by now.

I have had some great support from Macmillan, Sarcoma.org, Rare Cancers and a Facebook group – in this group we are called ‘unicorns’ because someone said dfsp are rarer than a unicorn which I like. It is very scary but you know what, like a lot of you here, by going on this diet I’d faced up to doing something positive about my health and I have felt empowered so far by online communities, members of one or two re: sarcoma I will be meeting in a couple of support groups.

I’ll call back to see you all and let you know how I’m doing. If by some slim chance you ever come across anyone who has had or has got a dfsp let me know as they are so rare a lot of informing and educating is needed.

Auntylil
So sorry to hear your news, and like capainlynne and hashimoto have said you will get lots of support from the forum.

I was diagnosed with breast cancer 7 years ago, so if you ever need to talk I am here for you.

All the best for your journey ahead. X

Less than 10g of fat. That sounds like more of a low fat diet? The bsd is not a low fat diet, quite the opposite in fact. I know these numbers are what was recommended for you personally Fatty but I wouldn’t want M to think its what is expected of this diet. As you point out, including more fat is a great way of feeling full and mobilising the body into fat burning mode.

Bill
So pleased to hear the good news… What a relief!!
Enjoy the sc
Big hug
Anita x

There is a general rule about protein grams equalling the target weight… so if for example your target weight is 80kg then your target protein is 80grams… I don’t really know about any others… Luckily for me my Endocrinologist has provided me with a breakdown of what she recommends for me… and they are… (90g of carbs, 40-80g Protein and less than 10g of fat)… I cannot stay with the <10g fat, as I a just hungry and not satisfied at all… most days I have about 20-10g of fat. I cannot tell you if I have been loosing weight as it is only day 5 for me… and I have not weighed yet… but I feel good.

Hi Boog23.

I know some folk in the US have asked for copies of the book from the UK, so there is already some awareness.

‘On the road’, if all else fails a visit to the Golden Arches (or similar) can provide some kind of protein, just leave the carbs – no pancakes and syrup 😱. My friend’s husband caused chaos in the Arches, asking for a sausage and egg biscuit without the biscuit. He eventually settled for it as it came and just left the biscuit! Boiled eggs and cheese can travel well and don’t take much preparation. Just avoid ‘all you can eat’ buffets!

Stay in touch, we look forward to hearing your progress.

Auntylil so sorry to hear your news I am sure most of us will still be on the forums anytime you feel like posting. We will all be hoping for the best possible outcome for you, but please remember if you just need ‘to sound off’ or just need a friendly ear then we are here for you.

Best wishes and prayers x

Hi Celia, I felt the cold a lot more for the first two weeks or so and it took a good couple of weeks to start sleeping better. I also felt very tired and lightheaded after a few days but it all passed. I am now starting week six and am 5 kilos down. Stick with it, you will notice things changing with time and really well done on your weight loss so far. Good job!

Sorry to hear your news. Please stay with us, you’ll get lots of support as you travel this road.

I haven’t posted for quite some time. My last posts were a bit negative as I wasn’t losing much weight, and nothing from my waist. I therefore said I would wait until something had shifted, and then post. I am now at the end of my seventh week, and am going away for a few days on Sunday. Sadly, very little has shifted. I am still losing weight – very slowly- but have lost absolutely nothing from my waist. Altogether, over 7 weeks, I have lost 11 pounds, and I had hoped to lose at least a stone. I could not understand where the weight had gone from, then today, I caught sight of my reflection, and realised that my trousers looked really baggy round my bum. This would be fine if they were loose round my waist, and I could buy a size smaller, but they are just as tight round my waist as the day I started. I understand that fat round the hips is healthy for a woman, so therefore I am losing healthy, rather than unhealthy fat. I am so disappointed, and feel utterly despondent. I was so happy at the beginning, and feel I have given it my all, but now am not sure what to do. Don’t know whether to keep going, switch to 5:2, just keep low carb, or have a binge out. Sorry for the negativity, but utterly peed with the whole thing today, and wanted to get it off my chest.

Oh Auntylil, I’m so very sorry. Joking aside, I was becoming worried about where you had gone. Now I know. So what happens after the surgery, is it chemo or radiotherapy or something else? Please stay with us, there are loads of people here who are concerned for you and want to know about your journey to well being again.

Oh dear, just as one crisis is happily averted, another one looms. One of our number, auntylil, she is over on the ‘alternatives to fizzy pop’ thread, has just posted that she has been diagnosed with cancer. I know a lot of you chatted with her in the past and she was the first person I met on these forums and she has been keeping me amused ever since. I know auntylil won’t be moping about this but I also know you will want to give her support in the way only this forum can.

Hi Lynne

I think the BSD will be a big hit here when word gets out. The official release date is March 22-I suspect that Dr. Mosly will begin doing radio and television interviews about it and then it will blow up. I hope and pray I can be an example to folks here of what this diet can accomplish as the U.S. is sorely in need of a solution.

You are right about the challenges in the U.S., especially with the food system. ‘On the road’, as you have discovered, it is very difficult to find the healthiest of foods-It takes some planning and effort. The breakfasts at most motels and hotels are indeed simple carb heavy, ie; cheap. Texas, as well as the rest of the south is especially bad. The east and west coast,s much better.

I have friends that pack their own food for a trip of several days. That seems like a lot of work to me as I have to admit that I am essentially, at least to this point, pretty lazy when it comes to food preparation. But I think I may have to get over that soon. You and so many others on this forum inspire me to do better.

thank you for the well wishes,
be well and stay great

Bill
Just logged in to see if you had posted any news. I am soooooooo pleased for you all. Have a great weekend. Cheers! x

Hi Celia – welcome to the forum and the BSD family. My best guess is it’s your body protesting about the change of regime and the lack of carbs. I have not had either of the problems luckily, but most people report sleeping better, so I think you can expect that to settle and improve as you progress.

You have made an excellent start and look forward to hearing how you progress. ….. Good Luck!

Hello Janet

Thank you for checking up on me – on March 10th, last Thursday informed that supposed sebaceous cyst I had removed a few weeks previously from my right thigh has been diagnosed as a rare sarcoma, a Dermatofibrosarcoma Protuberans (DFSP) and if you think that of all cancers 1% are sarcomas (soft tissue tumours) of them DFSP are less than 1%. Consequently dieting, bowls, wooing etc has been far from my mind. I think some of the things I was dealing with that I thought were to do with the 800 diet are in fact systemic symptoms because now I know I am ill. I will be seeing a consultant for more surgery and treatment next week. I will come back here! But I guess you and a lot of the other inspirational and supportive people I met here will have moved on too. I wish you all enourmous success and better quality of life because of the life changes you are making. ♥

Like you I’m in week 4 – 2 more days to go. And like you, weight loss has been a tad slow after the initial week. However, I started keeping an eye on carbs at the beginning of this week and so far, have dropped 2lb, which is an improvement on weeks 2 and 3. The general consensus seems to be to try and keep carbs below 50g per day. I have actually been hitting considerably lower than that, but as much because the foods I have been choosing have accidentally been low carb, rather than actively seeking out those with particularly low-carb content. I haven’t worried too much about the ratio carbs to fats to protein. Have just been ensuring I have full fat everything to help me feel full for longer and kick into fat burn mode and to eat plenty of high protein foods.

There does seem to be an anomaly reported on various threads, which seems to suggest that for many, between weeks 2 and 4 are a bit of a plateau, when weight loss is low to zero and that if you just keep to your 800cals a day, the weight will eventually start to drop again.

It certainly sounds like you are sticking to the 800 cals, so you could just continue as you are and the weight should begin to drop again soon. On the other hand, it can’t hurt just to check that there is nothing you are eating, that has a surprisingly high carb count.

Not sure any of this helps much, but this is how I have tackled a similar situation.

Hi cat girl, oh yes, you watch bear to find out to survive?
I watch him because he is a dish 😚
Is he still eating weird things?. I think an article recently in the daily mail said his wife made him take a dog worming tablet !!
Love Lucia xxx

Woohoo woohoo danced around the kitchen so so pleased for you and your family best news ever bill I don’t drink normally but will have a g and t and drink to you all and your daughters recovery x 😅

Wow the big hitters are out in force today
Well done to each and every one of you. the statistics are starting to pile up now, they can go on about controlled trials etc but I think everyone on here now knows how well this works and we don’t need it to be rubber stamped by anyone.
I’m telling anyone who’s willing to listen about this, if the word doesn’t get out big style, it won’t be from lack of trying.

Bill,
Thanks.
Bet you have to be nagged to fix your own cistern when it malfunctions – I know mine has to bat on at me to tune our own piano.
Cobblers kids’ shoes and all that 😉

I’m 3 days into the diet and have lost 3 pounds so far and finding it all very easy to do so far.

One thing though is I am really feeling the cold. It started last night, I had to get up to wrap myself up in a fluffy dressing gown and blanket, turn the heating on and go back to bed all wrapped up. Anyone else experienced that?

Another point is I’m not sleeping, I wake at 2 or 3am and can’t get back to sleep for about 4 hours.

Please can anyone tell me what the target ration is of Carbohydrate/Fat/Protein? There seems to be such a range of advice from different sources and I would like to check that I am getting it or less correct.
I am on week 4 and lost very little for the last three weeks – I fear that although I am under 800 calories average over each week I may have the proportions wrong. (My Fitness Pal offers an upgrade that lets you specify your targets in terms of % or grams and I want to use that to keep check.) Many thanks to anyone out there who has an opinion!

Thanks guys, I’ll be raising a glass to you all tonight, can’t wait to give the bairn a big hug
I’ll be the one needing diet support by the time this weekend is over 😉
stringbreaker, my stepson and myself have a bathrrom and heating business, 12000 sq ft showroom in Newcastle and a couple of websites too.
It keeps us fed 😉

Hi Boog23. Greetings from this side of the pond.

Just think, you could be one of those starting this revolution in the good old US of A when folk see your progress.

I’ll be interested to see how our American cousins do on this – I’ve spent some time there and can think of some challenges, but also some positives.

My friend in Texas asked me to send her the book and she was really keen. But last time we spoke, she said she’d tried it, but didn’t get her carbs low enough and can’t give up her diet yogurts! Mind you, she used to eat two frozen diet meals at a time because one wasn’t enough. Even worrying about her husband’s health can’t influence her to change.

I’ve visited towns where it was almost impossible to buy healthy, fresh food and everything at the diner was deep fried.

But I’ve also visited Whole Foods Market and grocery stores with shelves full of lovely fresh vegetables and fruit as well as all the meat, fish, poultry and cheese. The choice and quality never ceases to amaze me.

Many of the motels I’ve stayed at offer breakfast, but it’s almost always carbs or carbs with the occasional egg. And the portion sizes if I eat out are huge.

So I wish you and all my American brothers and sisters well, and look forward to hearing your progress.

Remember – the revolution could start with you 😃

Bill I want to add my voice to the many that are telling you how relieved we are that the scare over your daughter’s health was unfounded. Your relief and joy must know no limits. Just shows the power of prayer because I think there were lots of us out here doing just that! Celebrate well and get back on the BSD tomorrow – you deserve it. Your support is invaluable to us all… So thank you.
Kindest regards
Jan

Janet1973. You will be back to your 20s weight in no time at that rate of loss 🙂

Lesley91 fabulous weight loss! 🙂

Bill,
What wonderful news.
*** the diet – hit the SC – No harm you can do in one day that you can’t undo with 2 good days.
There’s a lot of happy folk tonight.
BTW, “showroom”? Would it be rude to ask what sort? (Not sure on the etiquette of personal questions on forums)

Great Bre123. Enjoy your holiday. Hope it’s somewhere with good weather!

For anyone interested in such things, I’ve checked my bloods before and after eating this flatbread because I’ve never used coconut flour before. I could only manage half the flatbread, with 25g Brie and the results were: *drumroll*

Before eating 4.5
1 hour afterwards 4.4
2 hours afterwards 4.0

So I think that’s a keeper 😃

As a point of interest, I don’t think I’ve seen a reading of 4.0 before 😃