Thank you Lyn. I thought I was the only one questioning the reversal part. After having completed my 8 weeks and waiting for my official test to come back, at this s point I would argue about the word reversal.

You cannot go back to being ‘normal’, however if you move to the Mediterranean diet, i.e. Still ve y low on carbs I believe it can be managed, so that you can avoid medications and all of the horrible symptoms and effects of diabetes.

I’d love to hear how others are going. Many seem to be fast 800ing for much longer than the 8 weeks.

Nearly a week and lost another kilo (3 kilos since I started, which is nearly 7lbs) and 1.5 inches from my waist, but side effects are still really bad. This morning woke up with both arms and both legs feeling numb with pins and needles, from the elbows and knees down respectively. Its still there, hours later.

Very dizzy with lots of shooting pains (neuralgia??), especially at night. Don’t know what’s going on with my body? It seems that it is directly related to weight loss. That is, days when I lose weight I feel worse.

Maybe my insulin resistance is very advanced and taking longer to adjust?? If I just look at a carb (starchy or sweet carbs – vegetables are OK), I put on weight. Total carb intolerance.

I will keep going but may have to increase the amount of food (protein and fat) I am eating?? I am drinking a lot – 2 to 3 litres a day.

Yesterday, I went for a long walk and felt good until about 3pm. But now the numbness in my feet and arms is very disconcerting. Also the ringing in my ears is nearly deafening.

Je suis Charlie Hebdo

Perhaps you can be the guinea pig!

Hi Joan

Sometime back I invested in a wrist gizmo that plotted just about everything you could think of, even told me if I had slept well. I nearly knocked myself out doing 10k steps a day and lost no weight. THIS IS BEFORE THE REVELATION OF THE BSD of course. After a few months the online data programme played up once too often so I returned it and received cash back.

Now I am using a simple Omron pedometer, on all day for the general walk we do in the course of a day and I use an additional map my walk – FREE app – downloaded to my phone for the official walk everyday. It calulates distance and time and calories used.
I get a little competitive with the voice on that app when she tells me how fast the previous distance of 1km was. Of course I am in competition with myself but she gets the blame! She’s fondly known as the walking witch around here. She gets results and I have now decided to try an official competition 10km walk in November, she and I are in training g.🏃🏃🏃
N.

Thanks for the reply.
There appears to be a misunderstanding. In the case of the BSD loss of weight is caused by restricted eating regardless of whether prompted by restricted carbohydrate or calories which in that case is only 800 calories per day for an eight week period. That is not in question. The question posed is whether the diabetes is actually likely to be cured as suggested in Dr Mosley’s book and not just the blood sugar readings for the length of time that food restriction is enforced.
The underlying principle in the BSD book is that the visceral fat will be drained from the liver and pancreas by the diet and that after the eight week period and 10 to 15 percent of weight loss the pancreas will function properly again producing insulin in quantities that will return blood sugars to normal and the diabetes will actually be ‘cured’ provided that the general loss of weight is maintained.
The above would mean that one could eat normally i.e. neither over or under eating the usual 2500 calories or whatever it takes to maintain stable weight and not just have to eat low carbohydrate foods or severely restricted portions at 800 calories per day. My concern is that if this is not the case eating non low glycaemic index foods for example white bread, rice, pasta or chips etc in previous quantities would continue to have significant adverse effects on the blood sugars and possibly, if the diabetes was not cured, on health even at that reduced weight.
The question posed still needs to be addressed.

Dear keeptrying

You do realise how fabulous a loss of 3.5 lbs in a week is do you? Apart from my first week on this or any diet – and a water fast once! – I have never lost that much in a week. I am in week 3 now and astonished at my loss even tho’ it is not nearly as dramatic as some. SunnyB I am going to be ecstatic when I get to a sone

As someone on the forums remarked we are now probably eating like a thin person.
ps I wore a skirt last night I have not worn for years – tight yes – but it did up

Onwards and downwards
Ruth

Lidl’s 29p veg this week are – Swede (Janey, so you can microwave one to see!) Red Onions, Red Peppers and Iceberg Lettuce.

And on that note I am off to bed. Don’t want a rerun of this morning, do I? Night night all, see you tomorrow, where the sun will shine and pants will fall off us and alternative flour bakes will amaze us 😀

Can I sell my cycle and gym for your yoga and tap dance?
Mine is for me alone, yours is in a gang.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Don’t feel guilty about it! You’ve done so well so far, you’ve really embraced the healthy eating – more than I have! It’s done now. The way I look at little cheats is you may as well enjoy it if you’re going to have it 🙂 Tomorrow is another (biscuit free) day 🙂

Right, I will look at that. If/when I ever get control of the television handset…

Day 16 in the bag cals 788 carbs. 53. Weight down another 1lb so making it 19lbs unbelievable.

Been very weary today, I think my hyper euphoria, has calmed down thank goodness it was wearing me out hehe only kidding, this way of eating does make us very happy, well it does for me. Just been working very hard at the moment.
What to cook tomorrow, ooh choices, fancy something very tasty, hmmmmm will sleep on it.
Goodnight.
Keep at it and posting.
🌷🌷🌷 jan

I started the BSD 12 days ago and have just re-read the book! It suggests getting a pedometer or Fitbit to record steps taken per day. As someone who try’s to avoid activity this seems like a sensible thing for me to do! My question is about the Fitbit. I am totally confused about which model I should invest in. Do I pay extra and get the one with the heart rate register or just go for the entry level model? I don’t want to get the cheaper version and regret not paying the extra, or buy the more expensive version and regret paying more than I need to, (especially as I keep finding information saying that the heart rate monitoring is not accurate!
Can anyone help me through this minefield please?

not to sweet but the guilt!!!!!!

Trust me i’m a doctor summer special

I had a soft spot for Rik Mayall too. So sad that he passed away, but the old dear who plays the auntie is absolutely fab.

You’re so lucky seeing him live! I’ve seen the DVD’s, thought his first one was funniest though. I’ve seen ‘The Holy Trinity of the Phoenix Club’ – Dave Spikey, Peter Kay, Paddy McGuinness, Peter Kay was pants wettingly funny, and – possibly my weirdest crush – Johnny Vegas. I adore Johnny Vegas, he’s so cute and cuddly. But he was very, very drunk too.

Loved Man Down, especially the first series where Rik Mayall played his dad!!

Thank you for the replies. On the subject of animal protein, for non-health reasons (which I no longer buy into) I had given up eating meat and dairy for 11 years, and only this year have I returned to eating these foods. It’s a myth that all vegan-vegetarians are skinny healthy types. You can eat salt and vinegar square crisps all day and be a genuine vegan for example. The point is, during those 11 years I was generally still overweight. But since I started eating meat and dairy I have balooned. I now understand what the cause was: not meat and dairy necessarily, but extra calories on top of the unhealthy processed carbs I had been eating for as long as I can remember. My favourite food is bread. My next favourite food is bread.
I’m generally a positive person, but I’m entirely cynical about the ethical compasses of the major food manufacturers. And in such I believe we are being poisoned on addictive nurtitionally devoid trash.

greg davies is a whole hunk of funniness!! seen him live twice and have to say we never stopped laughing all night !! both times !! do you watch taskmaster lucky you would love it our gregs in it !!!

yes dinner was lovely 🙂

Love a good bargain too!

ryvita, according to my fitbit has 6.7g carbs and I’ll settle for s’s instead of z’s!

I love Big Magic Lucky hopefully you will enjoy it 🙂

I’m considering Elana’s coffee cake, or sthg else involving coconut flour. It’s just about the weekend so I think a sweet treat is allowed. And of course I will be constructing the fart bread toastie for lunch 😉

Son brought home an excellent school report today, although he was in a foul ‘Kevin the Teenager’ mood. A nice Paleo pudding will finish him off!

Winner gets to wear the Robes of Smugness all day 🙂

is there a prize?

i hate to say it but its just more chickpeas in another guise

i have hummus most days with raw vegetables

i love peanut butter, how many carbs in a ryvita does anyone know

Did you Josie, how did you find it? Was it more-ish, too sweet? And how were the falafels?

Haha that sounds a LOT like my son. Absolutely bloody useless.

What’s it called, is it on Catch up? Oh and I missed Man Down last night, I didn’t even know there was a new series due. Thank God for catch up TV. Love Greg Davies, one of my guilty crushes.

Tonight has been a real challenge!!!
We were invited out to an Indian restaurant! Ok. So sat down before we went and added to my diary. Knew I could stay within the plan with a huge amount of willpower. DID IT! Had one popadom with a little mint & yogurt and chicken tikka, half portion, and salad. So really pleased with myself.
Also, I have walking difficulties and noticed tonight, after just two weeks on the plan, that my walking was far easier. Could walk much further (I walk with crutches). Have only lost 8lbs so don’t think that could make much of a difference.
Has anybody else found that cutting carbs has led to more energy even without extra exercise ?

i shall join the confessional, today i had a chocolate biscuit. but i have since paid the penance of the beetroot falafels with salad. So feel almost righteous. Not such a disaster as the dreaded fish cakes.

Aren’t kids wonderful, my daughter once bought her then boyfriend home for a weekend and he stayed or about 11 weeks in the end. He barely seemed to function on any human level. But as she finished at Uni she finished with him by going to Tokyo to work for 5 years.

I am watching a programme featuring Michael Mosley the O H recorded it for me from Tuesday. so far interesting

Oooo make something delicious will you Janey, I’m starving here 😝😝

yes janey what delights are we too gaze over tomorrow ?

Hee hee sorry I lost some zzz there ad added some sssss, sorry Izzy 🎈

Good tips Issy👏🏻👏🏻👍 I liked Room too though it freaked me out after is finished it!

Some people hate Eat, pray, love but I found it really funny😹😂 way to many descriptions of food tho😹

Well done HoneyBeeMee. Amazing how much if a boost losing pounds gives you! Just keep going.

Wow, I bought Big Magic on Sunday, Izzy! I’m trying to work through the older ones I’ve bought first though. I have heard of Eat Pray Love but haven’t read it myself. I’ve heard it’s a bit Marmite. I’ve read Room, a few years ago.

Evenin’ Janey 😉 And what is the next experiment? The slippers of sulkiness are back in their box, still unworn.

Hi Izzy,
The fajitas sound delicious.
4 bras for 9 pounds – I love a good bargain. I recently purchased 100% cotton undies for my daughter. A pack of 5 for $2.50 – skin toned – unbelievable price but it was the end of financial year sales.
Oooh 2 nights in your loft – have fun being creative.

Remove the slippers of sulkiness for the hills are once again alive with the sounds of dieters. I have had chicken jalfry which was on the cheeky side along with quinoa and a Lucky wrap. Two Willies for pudding ☺️

As I’m ‘working from home’ tomorrow I think I may cook my next experimental recipe…..

yes the bookthief has been around a while. I don’t normally enjoy books set in wartimes but the perspective it was written from and the story was a real surprise to me I loved it. I’ve read it twice. The movie is rubbish tho…

If you are interested in creativity Try Elizabeth Gilbert’s Big Magic. The same author as eat pray love. I never liked eat pray love and never finished the book, but I’ve read Big Magic twice.

I enjoyed Girl on The train as well.

I loved Stephen Kings The Green Mile – I expected it to be a heavy read but it was very easy to read and the movie was reasonably close to the book.

Room- I forget the author but an interesting tale of a girl abducted and held prisoner for years in one room.

The Chimp Paradox – an easy to read book about why people behave in certain ways. Not a novel but a book I’ve enjoyed nonetheless.

Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman, an odd but interesting tale about a world that exists underneath London that no one sees.

A morning bush walk. Enjoy the cycling, gym, yoga and tap class.

No, I’m still here Tokyo 🙂 I read a few pages and then I check my email 🙂

Awwwwwww that’s sweet lol. But I don’t really mind, there will be another milestone. Imagine if there’s a really good conversation going on and I’m asleep or shopping or cleaning and everyone would have to be in limbo until I showed my face 🙂 I may have started the thread but you’re all equals on the journey and in creating the laughter and friendship 🙂

am here and now your gone lucky always the way !! i am impressed with how many sayings we have conbled together !! a feast of them !!
i have given the 1000th post sime thought !! and i am nominating lucky to write it she started this whole escapade on this thread only fitting shes takes the 1000th !!!! and i know you lucky you will make it a good one !!!!

Well, am I glad you two showed up! I was just about to go and retrieve the ‘Slippers of Sulkiness’.

I haven’t heard of yours Eps, but I think I read yours Izzy (Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii back 🙂 ), is it a few years old now, set in WW2?

I’m sat with water. I had a bar of mousse chocolate just. I reorganised kitchen cupboard. It looks like the kitchen cupboard of people I would try to avoid barely two months ago lol. Flaxseed… coconut flour… chickpea flour… sesame seeds… pumpkin seeds.

I’m finishing off a self-help type book that I hadn’t quite got to the end of. Next I think I’m going to go forrrrrrrrrrrrr…. Between You and Me or Bone by Bone. Or I might read Gretchen Rubin’s Better than Before, I liked her last two books. Ooooh just found ‘Goddesses Never Age’ too. Stop me buying books!

Awwww is the cat on a mad one, Eps? Bless 🙂

If I remember correctly there was a lady here who went 5 weeks without losing so there is still hope! Have you been taking body measurements?

courgettes and green stuff tend to be lower calorie than other veg like onions and peppers. It’s still ok to use a lot though. You certainly get a lot more within calories and carbs with these than potato!

My fitbit app tells me the following to give you some comparison.

1 serving iceberg lettuce 10 calories, 1.3g carbs
1 red pepper 31 calories and 7.1g carbs
1 medium courgette 31 calories, 6.5g carbs
1 medium onion 46 calories, 11.1g carbs

When I use courgetti with bolognaise I use a whole courgette. I will often stuff a whole pepper or courgette too. I use onions a lot as I love them but as their carbs are a bit higher I typically would use half an onion.

hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

lol at spinach fetish!

Have you read The Book Thief?

Hee heee was at cinema, kind of funny, called Maggies plan.

Did you find a new book? Hmmm my next one to read is called All the light we cannot see – haven’t started yet but looks good?

Hungry but just having cup of herbal tea😳😂 Have to play with the cat, he’s chasing up and down the corridor pretending to see ghosts so I think that means he’s been bored all day, there was nobody home.

Hey figment, just google low carb recipes and you will find heaps of ideas 🙂

Sounds like you guys are doing great on the plan well done!

here are some of my favourite websites I’ve taken ideas from… Many suggested to me by other members here.

http://www.ditchthecarbs.com/recipes/
http://allrecipes.co.uk/?o_is=TopNav_Logo
https://elanaspantry.com/
http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/

3 hours and 16 minutes later, Lucky is sobbing. “Where IS everyone?” she wept.

change to tonights menu, inspired by you guys and your posts I’m making fajitas with lettuce wraps 🙂 the chicken is cooking now.

I’m glad it is Thursday and the end of my working week, I’ve been late a lot this week which was ok as husband was here to collect our son but still it’s been a busy week. I think I might just chill tonight, my husband is working late for the next two nights so I could be in my loft then 🙂 I have many ideas. I may try to write a little bit tonight.

In other unrelated news I forgot I bought 4 bra’s the other day all of them for only £9. not each but all in! They were in the sales rack at Asda when I went in for a look at something else. They aren’t colours/designs I would have paid full price for, but they will be fine to wear for the moment at that price! I know I will go down at least one more size possibly more so I don’t want to spend a lot of cash on them. Years ago when I was a healthy weight I was a tiny but curvy 32D, I’m wearing 36’s just now. I guess we will see what happens in a few months!

well I best go eat!

Hi honeybee
Delighted for you, keep up the excellent work
Regards
Ajn😊

I’m so pleased to say my constant headache has gone😊 Eggs for breakfast are my favourite new breakfast food (I always skipped it before and snacked on crisps and chocolate at 10am) scrambled with smoked salmon or poached or an omelette with mushrooms and tomatoes keep me going well until lunch. I couldn’t resist stepping on the scales this morning after only 3 days -5lbs!! Amazing. It has motivated me so much.. Early days but it’s going great!

Hi figment
All sounds yummy, we will all come to dinner tomorrow. Hehe going well huh, are you enjoying it. Seeing an instructor, wow ho of to boot camp with you then. Bril.
Love Jan 🍅🍅🍅