Ha ha yes it’s funny I know, even though some bit of me thinks it can’t mean anything, it’s weird how often my friends are all born Around the same few times of the year!

Oooo you’ll have to try yoga Lucky, it’s sooo great. Just mKe sure you get a nice relaxing class to start out with, and avoid ones where people are more concerned with their outfits.. Loads of good classes for free on you tube too, beginner ones too👏👏

I’m intrigued about the flat bread hee hee it’s not that it smells pretty bad before it’s cooked is it??? Broccoli stink 😹😹👏

I’ve got 4 kilos of bloody chickpea flour… how long is it going to take to use all that up???

Well, we’re definitely experiencing a Tokyo deficiency! Well done on resisting the goodies (or baddies, should I say) long may it last!

The liquid thing is doing me too. My midwife warned me, she warned me that if I didn’t do my pelvic floor exercises I would be like an 80 year old woman by the time I was 40. That’s how bloody lazy I was, I wouldn’t even do exercise that was clenching muscles. Everything I drink goes straight through me in the day, but I seem to be ok at night, oddly enough.

Ooooooooh that sounds lovely Tokyo! Well, you never know, you might not over-indulge either – your body might not like it any more! You might find that you’ve done so well that you don’t want to go completely off track? But if there’s one time you should treat yourself, it should be a holiday. I’m determined to stick to it while we camp though, the more situations I can get through eating this way, the more inclined I will be to stick to it. It’s going to take a lot of planning though, I have got a list… me and my bloody lists haha.

Josie, I hear you! I just can’t stop myself. If I didn’t buy another thing for another three months, I’m sure we wouldn’t starve. I need to stop. Must be a Taurus thing.

Hi BigP! Wow, great results on your weight loss! As an exercise addict, I have had a lot of experience with the BSD and working out and my experience is that I had to figure calories burned and eat at least fifty percent of the calories burned in addition to the 800 calories allowed. If I did not add in more calories I would hit a wall and just be starving/weak and unable to satisfy my hunger no matter what I ate. So I ate more on workout days — specifically protein and fat — and the results were perfect, I retained myscle, lost fat and really importantly lost most of the fat from my waist (10 inches overall). I really think it is important to supplement protein and fat for energy. I usually had extra steak or chicken and extra cheese — all very satisfying. I credit the workouts for my now skinny waist because they seemed to make the biggest difference in WHERE I lost weight. I always encourage people who are not losing at the waistline to do more hard cardio and weight lifting. Hope that is helpful! Huge congratulations on your success!
Julia

Nailed it!

Hi Izzy,
Wow – 3lbs to go for your next goal to be achieved. You can do this Izzy. You’re an inspiration to us. I love how you continue to take positive steps that improve your health and wellbeing.
I had problems posting yesterday, so thought I’d ‘jump on’ before other family members wake and use (our slow) internet.

i am also a Taurus, the reason i have used up everything is that i am fed up with buying loads of stuff that i don’t end up using

Good evening ladies !!!
good to see you cope without me although i personally think your lacking a bit of brenda and her cinderella moments !!!!
i have read girl on a train and i do remember the ending and i thought it was ………….( got you going then!!)
well today avoided tea and biscuits at work god i am getting good at this didnt realise the amount of crap we got !!!!
Weekly weigh in tomorrow so fingers crossed although mid week cheeky weigh in was good !! am struggling with fluid intake at work its a bit funny drinking it all then getting halfway thru an op and saying ” hang on i need the loo”!!!!!! so not quite drinking as much but then if i drink when i get in i am up at night !!! doh the traumas of a BSD er !!!!!
my end goal is that my eight weeks will be up 11 august i go on hols 10 th to antwerp the home of the best chocolate in the world !!! also frites and mayonaise ( not ordinary mayonaise the most lusicious mayo ever and on chips !!!)i shall be partaking of copious amounts so hopefully it wont kill me !!!

Complement me, not compliment me…

It makes for a bloody expensive birthday week though, especially when you add in my Dad on the 12th… lol

My four closest friends are all Scorpios! 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th November. I don’t know why but they just seem to compliment me. Wouldn’t say any were particularly evil though lol. Love Scorpios 🙂

The bread is more than green, Eps, it has a distinctive feature that I’ll let Janey fill you in about. It looked good though.

I think Yoga is on my 40 before 40 list too, I’ve always wanted to try it. Just want to point out that because I started my 40/40 list stupidly late, I’m allowing myself this year to do the things too 😉 Always last minute, me.

Maybe an egg Josie? Love fish cakes, yum. And roasted veg, brill.

Hee hee Stubborn lucky, Taurus are determined, sounds better than stubborn. A talent I’d say.
I’m Scorpio so other than being supposedly evil, I’m all about the extremes apparently!! Currently extreme healthy hopefully 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😹

Thanks again – quel surprise it’s SunnyB!

Yeah I know about the cheap kits and you can even get free kits from testing suppliers online. I might think about getting one.

Once again muchos gracias for you help and encouragement

Ha ha girl on a train reading club👍👏🏻

No spoilers as I can’t really remember the end… Actually I can…will say nothing! 😝

Good one on the flat bread Janey! Hope it’s deliciously green🐛👏👏

Was just at a yoga class that felt like Bootcamp, ah well it’s worth it for relaxed feeling after it. Why don’t I get up early and do some myself every morning?? I don’t know. So hard to do things that I know are good and so easy to do things I know are bad. 🤓 (The nerd face is for philosophising) 😹

Ooooh, I don’t know Josie. Usually you’d mash with potato but, I haven’t a clue what would bind it and taste nice. Janey? Any ideas?

Aren’t you good, all prepared? I’ve got as far as knowing what I’m eating, but I’m cooking day by day still. Life was a bit simpler when I was eating the old way, but I am enjoying the learning new things, eating new things, stretching myself and not giving up on certain foods. I am a Taurus, we’re stubborn… hehe.

fishcake disaster how do you make it all stick together tried with the chickpea flour but it was no good

grated the beetroot blitzed the chickpeas but will put it together tomorrow
roasted a load of peppers and courgette and aubergine to make a veg lasagne at some point near the end of the week
hopefully will be ahead of myself for a while

MM did devise this diet to ‘reverse diabetes’ based on the work performed by Prof Roy Taylor in Newcastle University – it was meant to be an 8 week diet – not a way of life and many of Roy Taylor’s former guinea pig people are still non-diabetic tow and three years after being on the calorie controlled 8 week diet.

The idea of the diet is to remove visceral fat from your internal organs to allow insulin to function properly again in the body, and if you lose other fat as a bonus – happy days.

That is why I am on the diet, for 8 weeks – not for the rest of my life.

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I guess yogurt isn’t to everyone’s taste. How about a little cream with some berries to help push up the fat content instead? Bit worried about weight-in on Monday, as we are away for the w/e from tomorrow. Will be armed with ketosticks and trying my hardest to stick with the programme though.

We’ll catch up each with a progress in a few days.

Ah – I understand the ketosticks now SunnyB – good idea you had to use them. You are doing so well towards your target – hope Monday morning’s weigh in puts a smile on your face.

Don’t know about the full fat yoghurt, I have 3 no-fat still to eat and whilst I managed to eat the first yoghurt, I wasn’t singing its praised that highly, plus I do hate wasting food. Still trucking on though, I do find planning ahead really helps regarding meals.

Waiting for good news of your progress.

😎

Ooooooooooh look at you mixing it up with your flours! 😉

No spoilers from me, I’m still in a state of WTF, to be honest 😀

Here I am! As Lucky is aware, I’m in experimental mode again tonight.. And have just made broccoli flatbread! It’s currently cooling so will report back. I substituted gram flour for the almond flour as thought it was a. cheaper and b. more savoury! Loving the new food processor, which blitzed it!

I also finally downloaded Girl on a Train but really need to finish current book. Argh, no spoilers please!!

hey,

inspiring story, Im 4 weeks in on the 800 on Monday, i lost half a stone in the first 2 weeks, last week stepped up running, I ran a half marathon in May before I started this regime, i got things the wrong way round! Last week ran a 5k, 7k and then run london 10k on Sunday, for the 10k i ate some porridge made with water and a banana for fuel in the morning. After the race I kept to the diet pretty much but due to the breakfast was 200cal over, but better than stressing about breaking down was my feelings on it.

I started at about 120kilos, I have found myself the last 3 days feeling hungry which I guess is due to the additional exercise last week so calming it until tomorrow this week.

So , yeah it is tricky, however my understanding is that your body starts to pull on the fat rather than carbs for fuel. However I heard a programme which suggested your “turbo” comes from carbs! Who knows, I know I feel better on this diet but gusto when running etc. definitely slower..

I suppose everyone’s different Eps, some people may wake up ravenous and breakfast might keep them going until mid-afternoon. Some of my friends have porridge in the morning and are still full at lunch time, if I ate porridge, I’d need brunch AND lunch lol. Some people can eat smaller meals, I’ve been so used to eating massive portions – greed, plain and simple – that the thought of sitting at night hungry is terrifying. It probably wasn’t even hunger, just habit. As it is, even though my tea is much much smaller than what I’d have eaten before, I’m rarely clearing my plate. But I need to be sure that that one meal of the day is going to be enough to satisfy me. Or provide me with more than salad lol (you know me and salad!)

I’ve browsed through my Kindle and yes, Girl on the Train. I have been meaning to read it for ages so while it’s fresh in my head, I’ve binned Tipping Point for a bit, I was in a novel mood anyway, and what the what is going on in this book???? I have absolutely no idea what is going on. Which is the point, I suppose…

Everyone quiet tonight?

Oooops! Well you’re not alone in transgressing and you’ve calculated the damage (in calories at least), so just chalk it up and move on. Don’t waste time and energy beating yourself up, it’s counterproductive. Just make sure you are back on track from tomorrow and hopefully you will find the damage weight-wise is not huge.

Keep going and let us know how you get on Verano.

Just had my first real problem. Just two days from the end of my second week and gave into cadburys chocolate!!! Had just 180cals worth but actually just wanted to raid the fridge and biscuit tin and anywhere else for sweet carbs!!!! Had a couple of glasses of ice cold water and have managed to get over my ‘sweet’ urge. Will just keep drinking water tonight and hope I can limit the damage !

Going to try oldtykes recipe for cauliflower. Sounds lovely.

It will take awhile to get the hang of things, to the point where you’re not constantly thinking about it. It will happen though, so don’t panic.

Well, at least you can share part of the meal and don’t have to cook two completely different meals.

Really like the sound of that Almond Fish recipe weescotty.
B – Yogurt, Blueberries and Tahini
L – Cauli Rice, Prawns, Capers, fish sauce and Thai Spices
D – Lettuce, sundried toms, two tiny beetroot and roast chicken breast, sprinkle of walnut oil and Nar sauce

Dinner was chicken breast, 19g of cashew nuts, garlic, broccoli and Tamari sauce, and rocket soooo delicious!! 👏🏻👏🏻

HoneyBeeMe it would definitely be a caffeine withdrawal headache I started 2 and a half weeks ago and did not give up my (big) morning coffee or my teas and did not get headaches. Can you have your coffee black or with a dash?. I remember going to a health farm decades ago and having the most awful headaches. Not giving it up again!

i agree with Verano that chickpeas and cannellini beans are very satisfying and cauli has never tasted so good. oldtyke’s recipe sounds wonderful and I am going to do it, thank you

He did get the message, especially as he has seen my b/g results drop dramatically. However, I am right now making the veg fritatta for both of us and cooking him oven chips. Hey ho.

It’s all carbs Buddlesdevere, not just sugars I’m afraid.

Hi bigP
What a fantastic weight loss you have achieved…..( I had to look up the kg thingy and convert to pounds btw!!!)
Well done. Don’t know how to transition off Fast800 as this is also my dilemma now I am close to my BMI.

However whilst we are all individuals and our fitness levels can be rather different.
I can say for me that I am able to exercise perfectly well on 800 calories a day but I was doing exercise before this diet …..just huffing and puffing more! At first I felt rather tired towards the end of an exercise session….now I have masses more energy.
In February I was 81kg and I am now 63kg. I’m 63 and 5ft 2in.
I regularly play tennis and I also go to some quite demanding fitness classes like body pump, body combat and spin…..not all at the same time!!!!
Hope you feel up to going to the gym. Think the exercise is worth it for the health benefits and the help with the weight loss.
Take it easy at first…..but don’t be overly afraid 🙂 Good luck.

Can you tell me please when you say you are restricting carbs to X no grams – are talking all carbs or carbs from sugar?

Well if he got the message on one occasion, I’m sure he’ll get it on others! Frustrating for you though, not to have his support and well done for sticking 100% to the BSD. It can’t be easy, given your situation. Here’s hoping we will be reading your positive results soon!

Has anyone else got the diet constantly on their minds. I think about it all the time. What to eat, what not to eat, what to buy, how many calories, carbs etc. I can’t seem to concentrate on much else at the moment and I have even been dreaming about having lots of numbers going around, like I was on University Challenge and not able to get the calories right.

OK I am going mad but I am sure it will pass when the diet becomes part of my normal routine and I don’t have to refer to the book every 5 minutes.

Not sure if I mentioned here but the first day on BSD my daughter finally moved into her new house after days of worry and nearly being let down. My husbands response was to put a bottle of champagne in the fridge. When I told him I couldn’t have it he said ‘it’s not carbohydrate or sugar so why not’ – oh dear – I told him he could drink it and I would sit in the bedroom until he had finished. I think he got the message. I took it out of the fridge and we are saving it for when our daughter comes to visit, she can drink it with her dad.

The next day the supermarket promotions came in the post and he read out every cake, pastry etc that were on offer. No, I haven’t killed him yet but I have stuck to the diet 100%.

Hi Syb and Timmy,
I try really hard to stick to the principles of BSD and I definitely try to avoid processed carbs like the plague.
I don’t keep under 50gm of carbs like some people but I aim for around 800 calories most of the time.
I use myfitnesspal as a guide but don’t beat myself up if I go over a bit on my calorie count occasionally.
I have been away and strayed a little from the diet…..perhaps some alcohol was involved !!… but I’ve soon come back on track.
Thinking about this…..it has been nearly 6 months on a diet so there are bound to be some slips ups.
However I haven’t eaten a slice of bread in this time……just a small mouthful when the OH commented that the bread was yummy.
Scarcely any potato or pasta. Have had some rice or noodles and the odd piece of cake on people’s birthdays etc.

Early on in the diet I could feel some discomfort in my stomach near my liver…..I can only presume my body was getting rid of some of the nasty visceral fat I had stored.
I feel so much better and I have much more energy.
I can wholeheartedly recommend this diet. Think I feel 20 years younger!!!!

Hi Switzerland,
Well things have changed, we went to pezanace, and got a good spot by the tourist information in the centre! We got there at 11.30, the ‘caravan’ came through at 3pm then the first riders came through at 4pm, it was great however, it was over in five minutes! There were a few stragglers and one guy who stopped right by us to get a new bike but other than that it was plain sailing for us and the riders. We got back to David’s and had a quick look at the recording we had done, and it blooming well doesn’t film the riders coming through the town! Mad or what! well we were disappointed, my brother always does a film and puts it on YouTube, so we have to see what he comes up with.
We had a great day, I loved every minute, I wish I could follow the tour all around France!
I hope you enjoy watching it, I wonder who’s filming Australian uses? We watch itv4 in England. And sometimes Eurosport.
Had to have pasta last night, and tonight I have salmon in breadcrumbs! Goodness knows what it’s doing to my diet! We will see on Saturday morning.
Christine

I’ve done roasted cauli tonight. Smother it in Greek yoghurt mixed with the zest and juice of a lime, chilli powder, tiny bit of curry powder, garlic,cumin,and black pepper. Takes about 30-40 minutes at 200c. Having it with 97% pork Harrogate sausages.

Hey Ziggy
Sounds like you are getting there. Great news about the BP and hopefully your bloods will come back with good news too. Well done on the weight loss too – that’s close to 6lb you don’t need to worry about any more.
No I’m not diabetic, but was bordering on obese – usual story of being too short for my weight! Ideally I would like to drop 28lb overall and I am teetering on hitting the halfway mark. Hoping I might see that achievement when I do my final weekly weigh-in on Monday morning. We are away this weekend though, so it might all go wrong.
I started using the ketosticks while I was away, purely as away to show me if I was in ketosis or not, as an indication of how I was doing with keeping the carbs low enough, as I had no bathroom scales to rely on to show me how I was doing. Anyway, it worked pretty well, as I managed to keep myself on the straight and narrow most of the time using that method. Now I’m addicted to using them, just as a security blanket really.
So, keep at it Ziggy. Try a full fat yogurt and add in fresh fruits yourself – nicer and better for you on the BSD. Look forward to hearing how you progress.

Hi brrrrr – not everyone is sticking strictly to the 800cals, however, it is important to keep an eye on the carbs. If you can keep them to 50g or under per day, you can probably get away with not paying too close attention to the calories.

Personally, I want to know my intake of both cals and carbs and have found that having tracked them for weeks, there’s quite a lot of stuff I don’t need to look up again. It’s also training me to recognise appropriate portion sizes. For me, to get maximum from the BSD, I believe I need to be around the 800 cals mark each day – not that it always happens, but I average out pretty well over the period of a week. Last week for instance, I was well over on three days, but under on the other four, so my average calorie intake per day over the week was 769.

If you want to track, could you plan the meals to day before and calculate the cals and carbs in preparation for the day to come? Bottom line is, everyone has to fine a way to make the BSD work for them, so it’s entirely up to you how you choose to use it.

Hope it goes well and you see the results you are hoping for – keep us post.

Yay that’s great! Definite progress. Cant do the clapping hands here for you but I would if I could!

Hmm maybe I should try that about the two meals…

hee hee I have those safe places for recipes too… bits of paper in books…

Sorry to hear about the doctor’s news and your husband’s response. I guess you have to quietly make some subtle changes, which won’t attract too much attention – at least initially. It sounds like you are going to have to wean yourself off the carbs and sweet stuff gradually, but remember every little helps. It’s a shame you can’t get hubby on board, but I’m sure you will fine ways around that as time progresses.
Don’t worry about no weight loss yet, just keep cutting down and moving about and it will start to shift. Hopefully you will eventually be in a position to do the BSD 800 properly, but for now, cutting back to carbs wherever you can should help.
Shout out is you need to and good luck with it all, hope to be hearing news of positive progress soon.

Yes I know what you mean, if you exhaust courgetti and cauliflower you’ve lost your two ‘carbs’ to have a meal with, your pasta and your rice. Lentil pasta sounds interesting, I love lentils. I made a lentil bolognaise once that was amazing but I lost the recipe. It’s in a safe place, of course, so safe I can’t find it. Never used lentil flour though, I’ll need to buy a shed to keep all these bloody flours in!

I’m pretty much doing two meals a day, but I’ve never ever really been a breakfast person, unless it’s a full english and someone is cooking it for me and washing up lol. I find the moment I start eating in a day, it kickstarts me and I’m constantly looking for something to munch on, graze on. The longer I can leave it before eating, the better. Plus, I like a decent tea, and I need to be full up at night. Or rather, I used to need that. I’ve found the last week or so, my tea is the last thing that goes in my mouth at night, and I’ve lost the urge to snack for the sake of it. I haven’t even had my greek yogurt and berries because I haven’t wanted it. I was looking back over this thread for a recipe earlier and I saw that I’d had a mad one a few weeks ago wanting a packet of crisps lol. Not thought of them since. Progress!

Hi Ellen,
Nice tip. I find it useful when I’m out shopping and the Sirens are calling to me to just look at the prices and ask myself “Do I really want to waste my money on X?”. I know full well that if I succumb then I will snaffle it all sooner rather than later (I call it destroying the evidence!) and I will be annoyed with myself for the lack of self-control. Thankfully, after six months of BSD-ing, the cravings are much reduced and things are now more a question of choice rather than temptation.
Well done on your weight & centimetre loss – keep it up.

That’s some great results! Well done!

I’d say that level of exercise on 800 cals is at the top end if not a little too much.

If I were you I’d be tempted to start transitioning onto the 5:2 (maybe start with 4:3) and training on your full calorie days.

I’m not even counting calories (at a guess I’m consuming 1200-1600) and am doing a similar level of exercise to you and it’s still flying off. I’m only 5kg off my target weight too.

Hee hee well not sure it has worked that well, but I will say it totally disolves hunger! Weird… but wont be getting one often anyway, will stick to my peppermint tea!

Yummmm – samosa sounds so delicious! Lucky husband, I say it again!! :-)) Will have to start cooking something more exciting than courgetti – I hate to say it but I might just be getting sick of it… :-0 Had a thought today that if I got sick of cauliflower I’d be stuck with nothing to eat!!! ;-)))) Which isnt true obviously as LOADS of foods but you know the way. Discovered some lentil pasta the other day so will try that soon – on the day I make it to dinnertime without having used up too many calories – wasn’t too high in carbs and was bright red! Only lentil flour in it supposedly. Might make a nice pasta bake. I don’t know how people just divide their calories in two meals a day – I just can’t do that and spread it out over 3. Or havent yet anyway – maybe I should try as an experiment and report back…

A bit of background before I get into my dilemma; I started a concerted effort to lose weight on 1st March 2016, and as is detailed in my profile, I started with the Exante diet for 4 weeks and then onto Fast800. My starting weight was 123.8kg, I am now 84.7kg, and will be a healthy BMI once I hit 82kg. Apart from a holiday in June and a 2 or 3 cheat days since the holiday, I have stayed in Fast800 and the weight continues to drop off.

Up until my holiday I supplemented the diet by walking, but since getting back I decided to up the ante and start going to the gym. I’ve now been going for 4 weeks and really enjoy it, however I’m finding myself being really hungry on the days that I go, and on occasion feeling light headed. My work out generally consists of 20mins cross trainer, 20mins weights, 25mins bike, 15mins rowing machine. In cardio alone I’m burning 550 calories per session, and have no idea what calories i’m burning while lifting weights. I do this 3 times a week.

Can anyone give advice on whether I can stay on Fast800 while doing this?
If not how should I be managing my calorie intake on workout days?
800 calories a day is fine on my rest days, but how can I stay in ketosis on work out days if i increase my calorie intake?
If my ultimate goal is to stabilise my weight around 78-80kg, what is the best way to transition off Fast800?

Wow, that weight loss is amazing! Well done!