Hi boog 23,
Thanks for your kind words but the good thing is, I can SEE the damage I was doing, I can identify the rut I was in.
I have turned the page as it is a big day tomorrow, the Start of BS800.

I had another weird experience, I tried one tablespoon of Greek full fat yoghurt and an apple for breakfast. I thought the yoghurt would taste like flour and water paste, but it wasn’t, it was really tasty and filling.
Crazy that you are scared to try new things because you already know you won’t like it. It’s taking that step into the unknown. What a surprise I got. It’s great. Everyone should try it.
For lunch I am having salad and two tablespoons of cottage cheese because I fancy it.
My evening meal will be fish done in the oven with a squeeze of lemon and a few herbs, and broccoli.
(Listen to me! I wouldn’t recognise myself!!)
Thanks to everyone for getting this far.
My next questions will be how many calories are in ……
Love Lucia xxx

Hey woofmum, welcome to the forums.
It’s so good to see that you have a supportive GP.
A lot of folk have experienced the opposite reaction from their GP’s so it’s nice that you have one with a more modern outlook on things.
I would give the fast 800 a try first. You may have a couple of early side effects but they go within a few days and after that you shouldn’t feel hungry as your body gets used to a new way of eating.

Hi Bella, eat as many green, leafy veg as you want! Veg like cucumber and celery is also very low calorie so add some of that to your meals where appropriate 🙂

Hi Cherrieanne, it’s a comfort that Bill had feed back from the team on this, it must lessen the worry. It does seem to be a pattern so far in doesn’t it? This is such new territory for all of us, even the non-diabetics with other health problem. I think you will be right about the body readjusting. 🙂

Hi Bella I think the book says you can have unlimited streamed green veg.
I drizzle mine in olive oil and cracked Black pepper. Tastes delicious.

Hi Linda, I have just seen your post, I have hypothyroidism and for the first time I have found a diet which has helped me lose weight – in fact it has just fallen off!
I have a GP appointment next week as I will need to have a new blood test to check my thyroxine levels as I have lost over 2 stones.
Cherrieanne is right about keeping in touch with your GP, I am reducing asthma meds under supervision. The less weight we have usually the lower doses of meds we need – but that is not true of every med. Only tests will decide that.
It must be so hard having the combination of bipolar and hypothyroidism. Keep with the diet and shout if you want support, we will all be rooting for you 🙂

WOW – recommended by your GP – that is VERY good news, it means others in your practice will get the same great help.
Personally I found the 5:2 difficult, not because I didn’t control what I ate the other 5 days but because it was like starting the diet all over again on the other 2 days. On the fast 800 the first 3 or 4 days I felt a bit ‘woolly’ but after that the hanger pangs go, the amount of food in 800 calories feels normal and the weight drops off. If you’re diabetic you should see improved blood sugar readings. However, we are all different and you must choose the option which suits you best.
Last but not least, welcome to the forums Woofmum – they are full of lovely, kind people who will offer help and support.
Good luck on your new journey and download the daily mail articles (8 week blood sugar diet) recommended by Cherrieanne. 🙂 I still use mine even though I have the book!

Hi I’m not vegetarian but usually have veer towards . I’ve found all the meat suggestions too much so incorporated tofu in either scrambled with mushrooms for breakfast, roasted veg and tofu bake but you need to add some fat to it. I’ve also used chickpeas but all legumes also have carbs so you need to balance that out with your daily target. There’s a mushroom and quinoa soup on this site which is lovely and the stuffed peppers with moong dal lentils are good( I would replace some of onions with mushrooms). I usually have some soya milk and yoghurt for the calcium but your choices would be ok in small quantities . I think a lot of meat replacements may have carbs in but if you use fitness pal or other sites you can work out your carb content . Hope that helps

Thoughts are with you and your family Bill xx

Good news there, Mrs crimbo! 🙂

Thinking of the three of you today and hope all goes well x

Good morning Bill, hope you and your wife are travelling better today.
Praying that your daughter gets the all clear very quickly so you aren’t waiting on tenterhooks for long. xxx

Thank you Janet. We have a vitamin tonic in the medicine box so I will take some of that I think. I really do need to get some coconut flour and try those flatbreads when I feel well enough 🙂

I love full fat greek style yoghurt. “Tim’s Farm’ is my favourite brand, or M&S. Squidgy, I did like the Easiyo one but I had a few failures and gave up. Maybe I should try again as we eat so much of it now.

It is wonderful! OH and I are in week 4 and he has lost 20lbs . I, quite unfairly, have lost 18lbs. As he is a bit of a bear the protein keeps him happy and satisfied. Thank goodness for that as we both have so much to lose. (not as much as we had to lose though) Hope the diet is working well for you too!

Hi woofmum,
Welcome and great that you’re ready to take the first steps to better health.
Have you looked at the quiz on the home page of this site? That might help you decide which diet is right for you.
It would depend on how much weight you need to lose and whether you are diabetic. If you have a lot to lose and have blood sugars that are very high I would suggest the fast 800. It also depends on how much self control you have. If you need more structure, then again I’d recommend the fast 800. There have been members who’ve commented that they fasted ok on the two days and then couldn’t control their eating on the other 5, with the 5:2 diet.
You could try downloading the 8 week blood sugar diet series of articles from the Daily Mail UK website. I read those and started the diet before my book arrived.
All the best…

Hi Linda

I just started this week too – and also on day 5… and also 2kg 🙂 !

OP

Hi Linda,
2 kg in only 5 days, way to go 🙂 !!! That’s a great result. Even better is that you’ve had no symptoms this week. Looks like you’re on the way to good health in body and mind.
Also great news your doctor is on board, it always helps to have a supportive GP.
Can’t wait to follow your journey to success.

No worries Bella, I use the recipe section all the time when I want to make something so I can get the totals. Then I either adjust the serving size or add/ substitute ingredients until I get the desired amount.
You can see at a glance how much you have left to ‘spend’ on a meal or snack.
It’s been invaluable to me and has helped me to be much more mindful of the ‘carb cost’ of certain foods.
Hope it helps you as much as it does me 🙂

Hi All,
It must be catching lol. I’ve had several weeks now of fasting levels below 5. Since Wed it had been above 5 and this morning it was a pretty outrageous 7.9. Same carb and calorie levels as usual and no sneaky treats.
Maybe it’s a phase you go through at a certain stage in your body’s readjustment. I’m starting week 5, I wonder what week others found this to be a problem? I’m happy to wait now that Bill has heard from the team. I won’t start worrying until the 8 weeks are up.

I’m in Australia and we use the Jalna Greek Yohurt…..full fat of course.

Today I had
Breakfast
Boiled egg
25 g strawberries, 25 g blueberries with 10 ml oatly cream, 30 ml almond milk, 10 g flax seed
Lunch
25 g ham
Boiled egg
Salad leaves
4 cherry tomatoes
French dressing 1/2 teaspoonful.
100 g home made soya yogurt
20g blueberries
5g hazel nuts
Dinner
130 g cod fried in 2 tsp olive oil
Kale
50 g peas
80 g home made soya yogurt
40 g strawberries
29 g raspberries
5 g almonds.

But next week I’m going to india!! For a wedding!
We ll see how that works out. 🤔
Penny

Hi Caro
You could put butter or cream on the porridge.
Penny

Hi Susieq
Eventually I got used to the 10 drinks, now it’s not hard.
Penny

Bill- you have your breakfast 10 hours early!!😆
Penny

Hi Mrscrimbo
It’s sort of weird but also makes sense in terms of the science. The carbs making our sugar go up then down was making us hungry. Now it isn’t.
But it’s still weird to live with! Especially after we ve all been addicted and suffering while not knowing it, just wondering why we had to eat too much. Now we know and we aren’t.
Great isn’t it b
Penny

Hi
Probably another silly question from me but I am concerned that on the 800 cal diet I might not get enough vegetables. I am trying to follow the 4 week meal plan from Dr Mosley’s book and wondered if I am supposed to add green salads or non starchy vegetables to the basic recipes. Some of the daily menus seem very low on veggies. Can anyone clarify this for me please?

Hi Lucia:

I like what you said above about slowly changing old habits . That speaks to me as I tend to be the type that wants to go from 0 to 100 instantly. That tack, frankly, has never worked so well for me as I inevitably become overwhelmed. One of my mantras is ‘progress not perfection’. It helps me to keep in mind to be gentle with myself to counter my other tendencies. I was glad to read that you are proud of yourself for starting, you should be. You are neither ‘slob’ or ‘dope’. I get that though, as I tend to be very hard on myself. As a matter of fact, I would never talk to a friend the way I sometimes talk to myself.

We should all be gentle and patient with ourselves.

stay great
jeff

I am a big Fan of Easiyo Greek Yogurt – the kind you make at home from powder and water. I bought a kit a few years ago in Lakeland when it was on offer, and it is one gadget I use every week without fail. If you don’t fancy making your own, Rachel’s organic and Total Greek are pretty good too.

Hi Cherrianne
I’m an aussie too living in Australia. I found the app you suggested and it looks excellent- just what I was looking for. Thanks again for your help and support.

Hi

I’m just about to start, does it make any difference if you space the 800 calories over the day (say 200, 200, 400) or fast until late afternoon then have the 800 calories?

thanks

Hi again
Thanks for positive comments
To add my pennyworth re meals, has anyone tried cook in the bag recipes. I had Mediterranean chicken, total of 350 cals including sweet potatoe wedges.
Found when time is short, it is really handy.
Made the hummus ( pea and mint) wasn’t to keen.
Fish recipes are working really well.
I do not know where my appetite has gone, has anyone else found that their desire to eat has lessened.
Finally, the mention of Rye bread, I have eaten a couple of slices (organic) when brunching and found it really filling ( still kept within 800)
Regular BS fasting checks have confirmed a slow continual fall
All in all everything good, from Saturday changing to “Good food 14 day healthy diet” which basically Mediterranean just more calories.
Total weight loss 15lbs to date, probably 1 more by Saturday.
Will update next week how things go.
This a good thread and very informative
Cheers and we’ll done all, support is vital
M

Hi lachlanh & Bill – It’s good to know it’s not just me.

I’m in week 7 now and the weightloss is still going well – 16.5lb, the lightest I have been for about 20 years and around 7lb off my target weight, but I’m seeing the same rise in blood sugar levels and not only in the morning now.

On Sunday as it was Mother’s day I thought I’d go for the brunch and dinner, as suggested in the book. I measured my blood glucose when I woke up and it was 6.9, the lowest I’d seen for some time. However around 3 hours later, just before brunch, it had gone up to 8.7! I’ve also had a few readings above 7 before dinner this week.

So I’m still a bit puzzled, but I’ve seen higher readings when I was on more medication, so I am trying not to worry too much.

Thank you Cherrianne for you reply.
It’s day five and i’m feeling pretty good and 2 kilos down.
I spoke to my Doctor and she cleared me, she feels it could only be a positive step in regards to my Bipolar, so if there is anyone else out there suffering from mental health ask your Doctor and give it a go.
I have had no symptoms this week which is fantastic, fingers crossed.

was recommended this BSD by my GP today, have looked online and ordered books from Amazon, which should be here on monday….is there anything i can do until then to start myself off or is it best to wait until i have read the books, its a bit of a do or die situation so i dare not screw up…also which is the best way to start…..fasting or med style? thanks in advance……

Hi Janet

Thanks for the reply, good advice I will give your suggestion a try.

To answer your question I did 30 minutes on a windtrainer at 32km/hr and then rode for about hour at 30km/hr to and from work.

I will be ramping on those times over the next few weeks and doing some long runs as well so it will be interesting to see what the tipping point is

Can I ask which Yoghurts everyone is using?

Thank you 🌺

I did the couch to 5 K a few years ago. I love running now. Once you master 5 K, even if you don’t run for a while it is easy to pick it up again. I never had to go back to run-walk etc.
I’ve joined parkrun now. There is a parkrun in many large towns on Saturday, it’s free, and a great community thing. Mind you it’s totally addictive.

Mosleyfan your scones looked great, but must say that mine were very runny, flat and very “eggy” to taste. What was your secret to success!

Hi nat,
Good luck tomorrow, please write all about it as I start on Saturday. I too, have prepared, increasing my steps.
Do you have a menu sorted yet?
Love Lucia xxxx

Hi Bill.
Sorry to hear about your daughter and I’m sure your she will be fine. Many women have lumps and many turn out to be fine. I had breast cancer in 2009 at the age of 39 and I am still here, and if the news is bad, the treatment options now are amazing. I know how worried and stressed you are, but try and remain positive. How old is your daughter? My thoughts are with you all xx

Good luck to you. I have just done my first day, so hope yours goes well tomorrow 😊

Hi, the book has been read, the cupboards have been emptied and restocked with healthy recommended options, and I feel ready to get started. No sign of diabetes but have a fair few lbs to lose. Exercise regularly, about 5 times a week, so this could be interesting . Can’t wait to start seeing the results, from what I have read on the forum it won’t take long. N

Hi Sarah
I know what you mean about calories! I brought red peppers this week and they were massive so am worried about going over by a few calories. I’m finding the diet easy so far and haven’t been hungry at all but am struggling to give up coffee!
How are you getting on?

Hi missay, thanks!
I felt it was too big a step from a chocoholic slob to BS 800. So this week I am slowly changing very old bad habits. I hope anyone who thinks it is too difficult, will read my comments, and take a prep week too.
It’s great to write things here. And then read them back. I just want to tell Lucia (me) that you are a dope. You must have known it was all bad for you but you blindly carried on. I also who tell Lucia that i a proud that she has done something about it.

Missay, where are you with BS800? Are you on it, or thinking of starting?

Love Lucia xxxx

Hi everyone. Full fat is recommended as it keeps you fuller for longer as many have said already. Also, low fat yogurts have sugar added to make them taste better…even natural yogurt in some cases! I have always been a butter, full fat milk, yogurt and cheese kind of girl. It’s been the sweet tooth that’s been my undoing. I have had another good day and not been hungry at all, or craving anything.

Struggling giving up the coffee though! 12 hours shifts require coffee!

Hi Lucia,

Well, I think the walk challenge is a fine idea! I’ve not been tracking my waking, but I have a tracker and will start wearing it tomorrow. We could see how far it is across the ‘pond’ , say from New York to Liverpool or Plymouth (?) and give it a go! Maybe we can start a thread for the walk?

cheers,
jeff

Ahh thank you all so much for your wonderful support. I have three daughters at home and they have busy lives, and they like their snacks so it’s really hard to get them out the house, but with all your tips, I will try and avoid them completely. Thank you all so much, it means so much to have people rooting for me!! 💐💐💐

Dr Mosley doesn’t suggest anywhere that you should add extra calories because you are exercising. However, there have been conversations on the forum about whether you need extra calories if you are doing endurance-length exercise. Probably the best advice is to aim for 800 and see how you feel on it. If you start to suffer with weakness, low blood sugar, feel like fainting then take extra calories at that time. How long do you have to cycle to burn that many calories?

My wife and I have had porridge for years, but rolled oats from our health food shop, 1 cup oats, 2 cups water, one cup semi skimmed milk, mixed together and done at half power for 10 minutes in the microwave. I have nothing else on it, which You get used to.
Am I right in thinking that this is ok?
On the BSDiet so now having bircher, which is great, filling and tastes better, but the info on porridge, everywhere is sketchy!

I only have this on a Saturday now as I usually go Montain Biking which is 25miles and 2000ft climbing coming down some steep bits….and I dont want to feel lightheaded coming down these!