Ha ha Bill that reminded me of something that happened to me years ago, I had spent absolutely ages convincing the dr that I was not in agony with my damaged leg. He had said he had my MR scan in front of him and I must be in a lot of pain. His next move was to say he had been monitoring patients who had had heroic surgery, none of them with an injury as severe and all complaining of pain – so how have you done it?

Answer: I have ignored everything the consultant told me, so I horse ride, ballroom dance and go on two hill walks a week and eat lots of chillies to reduce inflammation.

Then he wanted a 2 week diary of everything I ate and did so he could make recommendations to other patients.

Now you’re in the same position with a different problem

Bill – Captain Lynne told me the same thing. I have avoided the FB group for the same reason !

Hi OP

Well done for progress so far and welcome to the forums. I know you have been reading and there is plenty of info and support on the various threads, so be sure to use them – especially when things get a bit tough.

Think week 2 can be a difficult one for many, but you will soon be out the other side and moving on. Don’t panic if you plateau, it happens and is sent to try us. Things will come right.

Look forward to hearing your progress reports – good luck.

Penny ???
I thought you were on a plane to India ?
I just got the same sort of treatment on the Facebook page as you did, very touchy over there aren’t they ?

Thanks Judith
would you believe I’ve just been savaged in the closed facebook group for trying to help someone who had a relapse and in her words, can’t stop putting bad things in her mouth.
The worst is it wasn’t even her who had a go at me but someone who considers herself as a strong woman who will not be told what to think or do by ANYONE
*But she’s following a diet from a book.*
I’m afraid I live with a very strong woman and I’m well used to dealing with this.
Time to reload both barrels as I emptied them at her and will probably get banned for it.

Hi yogi, i used 8 oz flour, 2 eggs. Divided the results into 6 small portions – approx 100 calories a portion. And have frozen 4 portions. I don’t see why it won’t work. I. Intend dropping them frozen into boiling water with a splash of olive oil when I. Next have them 🙂

It’s very strange Janet, I mean how can you do the same thing for a week, lose no weight, and then lose 3 pounds overnight
I’m not even going to try to understand it.

Done, bill

Thanks Christi
I think it maybe blood pressure as captainlynne mentioned. Have an appointment at doctor’s tomorrow so will get her to check while I’m there. Yes these forums are great feel so inspired. Thanks for the support🙃

Sometimes I find myself asking the bigger questions in life. For instance, when exactly does weight loss occur? Not how but when? Is it when I am asleep? Do fairies get drafted in when a special bell rings because I have been truly good and can have a pound removed? Or is it happening all the time? If so, I’d never know as I am always heavier in the evening than the morning? The reason for such a strange line of questioning is that I’m wondering whether there is also a time lag between my actions and the results. I was quite naughty on Monday evening, for only the third time in five weeks which is very good for me. Of course, I didn’t dare face the scales on Wednesday morning but yesterday morning I still lost half a pound. However, my ketosis has been negligible to non existent since Tuesday even though I was straight back on the plan. I’m not disheartened in any way, just curious.

Similarly Bill, I have no idea how to explain your readings. My dad had T1 most of his adult life but T2 has thankfully not touched my family yet. However your ketosis is good and encouraging so keep doing what you are doing👼

Hi Marrika
I use Calorieking. Com on the web, not an app. Didn’t realise there was an app! Penny

No Carommartin I’m not slavish at the moment about carb count I have averaged 64 g this week as you will see on myfitnesspal under nutrition you can look at it on a daily basis or weekly I like you like my oats in the morning and that with an apple adds up to 28.6 and if then have lentils or some other pulse it goes up. At the moment I am not hungry so again averaging less fat at the moment, I love love veg so I just slice everything really thin it makes it look more and more chewing involved. Celery spinach,shredded cabbage, lettuce, peppers either in a broth or a salad with a tsp olive oil mustard and vinegar. Thanks re weight loss pleased as punch. You can do it you know I would go with the 5:2 if you are suffering. I also had emptied everything from fridge cupboards etc but so far no great desire for toast etc. I was fond of that but hey all seems good. 🙃

You were posher than us bill, no frames or nice patterns – just any colours in any order! 🙂

Bill 4 nights?????????

Well done rico61, you are certainly flying the flag! Definitely an inspiration to the rest of us.

My meals today:

Breakfast – yogurt, blueberries, ground linseed topping, mixed seeds and psyllium husk
Lunch – 75g of king prawns, dusted with coconut flour, hot paprika and sesame seeds, fried in 15g butter, squeeze of lemon (thanks for the idea Bill)
Dinner – the chicken I didn’t have yesterday, cavolo nero, asparagus and mini sweetcorn (if cals/carbs permit)

Water and herbal teas – talking of which, time to put the kettle on!

Hi innermonologue, I have loved cooking since I was knee high. That latest recipe I put together specifically for madmedic who said they were finding the food expensive. I had priced it the dish (very cheap) and put together a list of a weeks grocery shop and a list of meals you could make from it as a help but I haven’t noticed them on the forums since. If you were wondering about half aubergine I was thinking it could be turned into aubergine dip or sliced, fried then put under the grill topped with tomato and cheese as a light lunch.

If you like spicy food try the courgette bhajis – i forgot to add a teaspoon of lemon juice in the ingredients list.

🙂

Hi Ali2on

If you are struggling to get up to the 800cals, check your fat intake – are you using full fat products? This and the water intake should help with the hunger pangs. The fat helps to make you feel sated longer and also helps your body to shift into fat burning mode. It’s okay to be under the 800 occasionally, but probably not wise to run permanently on a much lower level. It will peak and trough though, as there will probably be days along the way, when you go a bit over on the 800.

Someone gave me a tip the other day, to draw little pictures of 5 glasses and 5 cups and check them off as you drink them. It’s certainly helped me to hit the minimum target.

Look forward to hearing how you have done when you get to weigh-in.

I’ve been chuckling about this
Along with my blood test results this week I was given an appointment for the 30th to discuss them with a doc and a sort of questionaire form. One of the questions is “How can you see yourself moving forward to improve your diabetes?
I’ve wrote “Ignore all medical advice and stick with the diet that I found myself which is producing great results and will eventually get me off medication”

Now THAT is going to be an interesting conversation.

Wow rico, THREE stones!!!! Well done!

Soda with a slice of lime, spritzer with just a drop of white wine occurs to me
Take paracetamol for the headaches, they will go away soon and make sure to get that 2 to 3 litres of fluid in you, it really does help with the headaches and constipation.
The hunger will go too, it’s just carb cravings really
Best of luck, you will be smaller this time next week.

Hi tish-ren, you will slim down faster than you think! 🙂

Once again I had an abnormally high fasting sugar reading today (9.9) but my ketosis reading is 4
I’ve fairly well convinced myself that it’s stored sugar and fat being released that is causing this so I’ll just go with it in the hope that my liver and pancreas will be fat and sugar free well ahead of me.

I’m on my 4th day, so not checked any weight loss or anything yet, but a little concerned that the first 2 days I struggled to actually get up to 800 calories! On day 3 I made it by having scrambled eggs for breakfast.

I have to admit to feeling a bit more hungry today, but also head-achy, so I’m probably not getting enough water which will account for some of the hunger, too.

Also, does anyone have suggestions of what to drink when out with friends? Seems a bit bad to go to a pub and only drink water.

Hi Judith
if you don’t mind, could you email me your way of making this.
I tried it at the weekend and it was a disaster, I followed your lead and used an oiled board and rolling pin but the mix was so sticky, I couldn’t get it off my hands and it still stuck like glue to the board.
Worse still, I had already made a lovely spinach and ricotta filling. That went into an omelette but I missed the pasta.
I wonder if chilling it for a couple of hours would help

Oh yes, dead, buried, and well hidden 🙂

Hi White Flour
The chick pea pasta recipe looks quite easy. Does the dough keep in the fridge and if so, for how long? Can you freeze it? Or can you dry it like ordinary pasta?

Thanks!

LOL, Bill! ‘What happens in Chemnitz stays in Chemnitz’?

Judith the frames were the wooden framework that had the canvas stretched across so you could prog the clippings through it.
Posh people had proper metal proggers, we used half a sharpened clothes peg 😀
My Grandad was a bit of an artist and produced some lovely designs, my Grans favourite rug was black with a huge red rose in the centre

3 stone – incredible! Im afraid my meals aren’t nearly as exotic sounding as some on here!
B – yoghurt and 10 black cherries
L – 2 scrambled eggs (started eating and felt really sick so only ate about half)
D – 2 slices boiled ham/small salad

Tea/water

OMG Paddy’s day
I remember driving down to a new Irish pub in Chemnitz for Paddys day night
Got back to the digs 4 days later, the boss was NOT impressed 😉

Hi, fatty *waves*. I’ve spent some time in Germany in the past too… Their health food stores (and even the supermarkets) tend to be amazing for lots of healthy ingredients, fruit teas, etc. Can’t imagine living in Germany and not liking beer, though. Enjoy the Paddy’s night fun 😉

In a way I’m slightly jealous that you can just feed yourself without having to worry about other family members – I’m finding it a bit of a pain to cook separately for me vs the rest of the clan so I’m trying to adapt their meals to suit me (e.g. by just eating more of the meat and none of the carbs).

Hashimoto, I’ve just noticed that a lot of the recipes are your inventions – are you a keen cook? I am planning to try some soon. 🙂

For me -this is a pre-emptive strike against developing diabetes and a way of becoming healthier/losing weight. There is a lot to lose – at least 20kg. I’m conceiving of it as an experiment, what will my body do under these conditions?

For what it’s worth, random things I’ve noticed;

Week one was lucky not to feel very hungry. I lost weight fast.
Week two, hunger is still not predominate but sometimes I am so in need of food (low blood sugar) …I snap my family’s (collective) head off until I get to eat :/
Vegetables are key for filling up enough, and I don’t do as well if I don’t have time to prepare them
My skin looks better. I look healthier.
Week two, not sure if I’m losing anything yet- but keeping faith from what I’ve read of others posts suggesting plateaus
Enjoyed the pleasure of trying on some pants I previously could not get on, and to my surprise and pleasure – could do them up!!
I’m starting to remember the feeling -its still distant- of what it feels like to be a healthy weight. It’s a shock to realise it’s been so many years and it’s hard to imagine what it will feel like to be that way again. I can’t believe I’ve been missing this long.
I feel determined.
I love the support and information shared on these pages and am grateful for it.
OP

Thanks Hashimoto…. Don t feel sad… I have been quite happily a fatty boom baa all my life…. not ashamed of it… but really have a medical need to change now… so I am going to…
Thank you also for your advice…. measuring right now….

And Bill, yes if your a beer drinker life is pretty grand here… however I HATE IT!!! so sitting around in pub and at beer festivas really does not rock my lil boat… having said that am going to an Irish festivity tonight… really I meant that I have no social family obligations here so that being in charge of what I shove in my gob is much easier…X

I don’t remember frames but I do remember helping with the making of clippy mats! Yeh, we’re definitely showing our age and yup I still remember the stiff arms! 🙂

Hi fatty (I feel sad writing ‘fatty’) welcome to the forums! I would get the tape measure out, you will be able to measure changes from this point – and there WILL be changes! And those clothes will soon be too big for you!

Take some paracetamol for the headaches, they won’t last long! 🙂

Coconut prawns were YUM!! Had some I didn’t use for dinner last night, so decided to have them for lunch. Dusted them with coconut flour, a little hot paprika (a personal fav) and a sprinkle of sesame seeds. Fried them off in butter – delicious with a squeeze of lemon. Will definitely be doing those again. Thanks for the idea Bill.

Rico61 3 stone!!!
That is incredible, you must be really proud of yourself, well done.
If any new starter needs any motivation, this is the only post they need to read.
I only hope I can emulate you eventually.

Brill, Lucia. Well impressed!

Just found this – inspiring and new ideas springing off the screen. Thanks.

3 stone lost. Several more to go.

B – 2 eggs, spray olive oil, 30 gms broccoli, 3 button mushrooms, hot chilli pepper, tomato omelette
L – miso soup, m& s mini tin of Alaskan salmon + sauerkraut
D – chicken breast, broccoli, fine green beans, cherry toms, beetroot, cucumber lettuce – dressing of mustard & balsamic

Lets hear it for herbs and spices!!!
They can make even the blandest food seem interesting and should be used liberally.
Take a well full credit card, it’s one of those shops where you can spend much more than you think, but most of all enjoy it. It’s all part of your new lifestyle.

Don’t panic ChannelK, stick with it and it will come right. I had a difficult w/e last week, eating out twice and drinking a couple of small glasses of wine. Please to say I didn’t actually gain any weight, but I certainly didn’t lose either and it took a couple of days before I saw any positive movement.

Secret is not to waste time beating yourself up for the transgression, but to stay focussed on the task at hand – remember that you need to keep your head straight to succeed, so don’t self-sabotage by expending energy on the negative. You will soon be losing pounds again – keep us posted.

Daz I know the venue you mean in Herefordshire, I used to do Kielder twice a year but the retinopathy put an end to that.
Now I just drag the scope out on the odd clear night if my eyes aren’t too tired from staring at a computer screen all day.
I suspect we may have met online before, probably on SGL
Anyhow, keep posting the results, they all add to the motivation factor for new starters.

Can’t wait, they seem to have a load of ‘healthy stuff’ I will wear my glasses and go for a read, see if there is anything I can use and enjoy.
Problem is , I am so used to plain and ordinary food, that it is a cultural shock for me to add even pepper. Yes, you already know how weird I am.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

posted by Tish_ren
on 17 Mar 2016 at 11:49pm

Congrats to all of you keep up the good work.
I can’t wait to feel slimmer.

SunnyB mixing in some spices sounds like a great idea. I love Thai food so this is worth a shot. Bill coconut prawns, sounds good.

Think you will be fine with those providing they are the tea bag type and not the granule type – which of course is basically flavoured sugar. The bag sort are made with tiny pieces of fruit and herbs, so essentially you get the flavour and not much else. I checked and on one of the boxes I have, it actually shows no cals and no carbs for the finished drink. The others just show the ingredients, but are very similar, so I’m pretty sure the cals/carbs would be the same.

Think you can be reasonable sure these are not going to undermine your efforts.

Might just try that for lunch Bill!

I’m thinking coconut prawns – lots of them, oh dear I’m hungry now.

Hi RPN
you will only know from experience
We are about the same age both T2D but I have more weight to lose.
I did feel slightly light headed for a couple of days right at the start but you have to look on that as a good thing as it’s carb withdrawal symptoms.
I’d say go for the fast 800, then if you start getting any serious side effects go to the 5:2 but bear in mind, if it is carb withdrawal symptoms, it probably won’t make much difference.
Best of luck and remember to keep us all informed of your progress

Holland and Barrat ? Beware
I can’t walk past one of their shops without thinking of Harry Potter and fear, if I enter, I’m going to come out with a wand or even a Snowy Owl (wonder how many carbs in one of those)
Still loving your whole attitude to this Lucia, long may it continue.