Hi CallMeDeb
Belated welcome. Been off piste for a while. Congrats on your first week , excellent considering your dietary restrictions!
Optifast by Nestle was the original shake used in Prof Roy Taylor’s type 2 diabetic reversal trial. Know you’ve moved on now though

I posted Answers & Info topic in Fast 800 forum on 22.1.16. You might find some help there. The new revised edition of Blood Sugar 101 by Jenny Ruhl is out now. Go to http://www.phlaunt.com for excellent advice about why & when to test blood sugars before & after meals. Also the healthy range we should try & aim for to avoid damage to our organs etc. It’s lower than the UK tell us ( if they tell us at all)

My 8 weeks up today! I’ll total the figures later.

Turn the fire up, I’ll be walking the PATH by the Sheraton Centre, Queens St, in June. Can’t wait
Eureka

Great results MerryMary. I hopped on the scales this morning to a pleasing 2kg total loss (today is Day 4 for me). It’s such a relief to find an eating plan that works.

Bill how are you doing? How is the retinopathy?

Hi again, I thought I would mention to “Desperate” that we are also going overseas this year. To the UK and Italy late August/ September. I will be well mediterraneanized by then ready to eat yummy Italian food!!! Hopefully I will be a more comfortable weight too so that I can enjoy walking all the ancient steps in Italy!! Also want to feel as comfortable as possible in my “economy seat” on the plane!! 😊

OMG I just weighed myself and I have lost 2.3 kgs in 3days. I worked those days which I thought would be a real challenge as there are always chocolates around at work kindly given by grateful patients (little do they know they are slowly killing us!) It s a beautiful day today and I am on 2 days off. I’m taking my niece and little great niece to the Science museum in the city for the day so there will be lots of walking. I am so excited. This really works! And I am feeling fine. I have had a couple of periods of real hunger pains but have pushed through with water and a little block of cheese a couple of times. It was actually kind of nice to feel hunger pains instead of just “topping up” all the time with food. I’m having a pear at night which is satisfying for enough sweetness and is great fibre for the bowels!!! On that note I need to get ready! Have a great day my new friends 😊

Hey all,
Breakfast – large pear with 2 tbsps cottage cheese ( full fat ) with handful of crushed walnuts.
Lunch 2 plums with a snack sized bar of Cathederal city cheese
Dinner- roast chicken 100g with 1-2 tbsp carrots, broccoli, and instead of roast potatoes, I had celeriac and leek mash. Celeriac is a very low carb root veg. I boiled about 200g with a leek and a tiny knob of butter and mashed it- it was loads, and really was 2 portion sizes worth but it worked out at 18g carb only got the lot and 84kcals so you can’t argue with that!! I can post the recipe if anyone likes? Splash of gravy on the whole meal and I didn’t miss the roast potato at all!

Hi Anthmart, just noticed your post. I like to cycle but nowhere near your level or a racer. You must know about how to keep yourself going and that high intensity interval training is a scientific way to achieve fitness and increased endurance. I suppose if you are racing at or above your anaerobic threshold you will soon be spent. What sort of distances do you race, which heart rate monitor do you use and have you some weight to lose? I have always used Polar gear but not the current pro stuff. Using CS300 and M400 just now – care to discuss?

Hi sue, you can buy tinned blackeyed beans from sainsburys. I used to substitute a tin for the weight in rose elliotts recipes. I’m in bed so can’t help re dried beans 🙁

Pharmacists usually have a good idea what other pharmacies sell. Chances are adisgruntled patient has said ‘ I’ll go to morrisons they always stock it’ 🙂

I’m another who shops at Aldi and I’m going into week 5 today and I’ve not bought anything different to what I’d normally buy…..to be honest if I had to buy new ingredients I’d get put off.

I’d agree with the above and say just adapt what you already like to eat, I’m assuming you didn’t eat only ready meals and junk food, so you should be able to reduce your spending.

The only thing I buy more of is veg, This weekend saw me buying a cauli, cabbage, broccoli, green beans and asparagus. There’s only me! In the past I would maybe buy some broccoli and I’d eat it within two days and then I’d have no further veg for 5 days!

Day 43 weight 10st 5lbs
Blood sugar 8.9 (lowest reading for a long time)

Cooked leeks with broccoli and melted cheese on top, had this with cooked chicken. I have been wanting to eat chocolate for the last few days but have resisted and chewed on sugar free gum instead – definitely not as good but it lasts longer. I’m going to make chilli on Thursday, the recipe in the book has a tin of black eyed beans – I could only buy dried ones – any idea how much dried weight makes the tin weight of beans?

It been a long time since I cooked and I’ve quite enjoyed it. Although I enjoy raw vegetables now, more than the cooked ones and I’d rather have the vegetables than the meat which is really weird for me.😱

Thanks Hashimoto nice to be here. You appear to be one of the lynch pins on the forums, I don’t do other social media but, to thank Doc Mosley et al I will contribute where I can. I noticed after I wrote it that many do not use the profile page much but I edit mine regularly to show progress. cheerio for now,..

Thank you

Hi, there are 2 references to liquorice in Fast diet on pages 145 & 211 but just about using unfamiliar flavours and something to chew (root) but maybe the next edition might include a ref if this thread is seen? I used to eat lots of it before I realised just how much C12H22O11 I don’t like to mention the “S” word too much and this reminds me that c12 +h22 looks like a lot of carbo-hydrate!

The pharmacist at boots told me to go to the chemist in morrisons. I don’t know how she knew but she was right!

Welcome to the veterans club skywalker! 🙂

144 signatures, fantastic, lets keep the momentum going 🙂

Its my pleasure and thankyou all for your posts has been very interesting reading now waiting for next 6 month check to see how blood sugar has reacted

Oh, my son sells them in a small independent pharmacy, I assumed therefore that the big ones would. They are an otc med but my son has them behind the counter.
Best get them from amazon 🙁

Hi Jimbob. I finished today too, click on me to save me repeating my stuff but. Well done. I wil keep going too as I have 3.5 kg still to go. Funny how it gets to be easy and enjoyable if somewhat time consuming. All the best…

Boots don’t sell them or Lloyds chemists 🙁

Hi Lucia, like you I would like more info please! I went onto the Boots Online site thinking I could get them and info there – put in ‘ketostix’ and that came up were pregnancy testing kits! I doubt that is what we are needing 🙂

Hi Christine I got mine from amazon but you can get them from pharmacies.

They show whether you are in ketosis ( fatburning). The various shades show the degree of fat burning – or not 🙂

They are definitely worth using. They tell you if you are burning fat or not. Yesterday I had a small piece of chocolate, a slice of white bread and a few glasses of cider (it was a works reunion, not my normal eating pattern these days). I thought all of that was bound to ruin my diet but the ketostix showed I carried on burning fat the whole time.
You can,get them from the chemist in Morrisons or from amazon for around a fiver. I only have two addictions in life now – coffee and ketostix!

Welcome to the veterans jimbob. Great weight loss 🙂
Thanks for sharing your 8 weeks 🙂

Hi Christie 1948

All I know that they are like a litmus paper, when you tinkle on it, it changes colour. They colour reveals if your body is in the mood to lose weight.

I am sure someone will over a more scientific description.

I do not know if they are worth using.

Can anyone help with these answers please.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Sunnyb, I can’t believe how quickly your holiday crept up on us! It seemed like it would be ages away when you first mentioned it. Will we be able to keep in touch with you?

First ever post on final day of eight weeks so hopefully as encouragement for those not so far down the line or just thinking about it here is how it panned out. Had been on 5:2 for 2 years and initially lost almost 2 stone from 244 pounds but found the fast day hard with nothing at lunch time and seemed to plateau which developed a small incline. Purely by chance heard the very end of Dr Michael interview which just said that type 2 need to lose weight quickly so found the book and had started before even getting the stories read by going straight to diets. Found it really easy, though giving up on occasional treat not quite so and have to admit to occasional whisky and square of dark chocolate however have managed to drop from 15st 11lbs to 13st 12 lb as of tonight and fitting clothes not worn in 10 – 15 years(I have a big wardrobe and don’t buy many clothes) but regretfully had a kilt made in my tartan last May for daughters wedding which is now too big. Never really set a target until probably last weekend when I thought 2 st + was easily achievable but wouldn’t you know it fell short. What to do now?Actually sad have reached this point as have enjoyed the disciplines I set myself and reading the blogs on here so think I will take it on for maybe another few weeks as delayed a 2 day holiday we were given at Christmas so that I could complete the diet so that might be next milestone and still have a few pounds of belly fat which could go and it will give me more time to plan future diet. A further point to note is that excercise though desirable isn’t absolutely necessary for the diet to work as just 2 days in I developed extreme pain in my knee from wear and tear of 64 years almost to the point of imobility and though it has improved not much walking has taken place but still lost weight. That’s it folks time for another dram to celebrate!!!

Hi hashimoto
Where do you get these ketostix from and what do you do with them and why?

Hi cherrieanne I posted and thought I should have spelled it out but hoped you would with your superior knowledge. It’s always better to have some idea of possibilities so you can determine what you are dealing with. Even if it is hard at the time to hear at the time.x

Hi Kate_is
I shake up crushed garlic or Dijon mustard with lemon juice and olive oil in a jar. Then sprinkle onto salad as needed. Just shake the jar each time before you use it.
Balsamic or herb infused vinegars are nice on their own on a salad too. You can make your own herb vinegars by putting a sprig of rosemary in a bottle and covering with vinegar. Leave to infuse on a warm windowsill for a few days then taste.
Tsatziki or hummus, thinned down with a little water make a nice salad dressing too.

Hi Needtoloseweight
Cherrianne is right, best to jump in now and get a couple of week under your belt before the holiday. That way you will be a little lighter and have a handle on the new eating regime by the time you go, making it more possible for you keep some control whilst you are away.
Good to know you are going to give it a go. Be sure to let us know how you progress before you go away.

So glad you noticed that Lynne. I’ll have to stop recommending it. It says nothing about it on either packet of tea that I have, and I’d never heard that about liquorice. So pleased you’re on the ball, thanks 🙂

Thanks a lot , going to give it a go !! X

Hi Needtoloseweight,
Welcome 🙂 my advice would be to jump right in and start the fast 800. With two weeks before your hols, you will be over the tough first couple of days and well into losing weight. You’ll enjoy your holiday much more if you’re lighter and have more energy.
It can seem daunting at first but there are plenty of people here who are willing to support and advise you.
Lucky you are self catering, you’ll have much better control over what and how much you eat. If you want a slightly more indulgent meal you can eat less before and after to compensate. By two weeks in you will be much more savvy about what foods are best, and once you taste success you probably won’t want to spoil your diet. You may be the first person to come back from holiday lighter than when they started 🙂

Hi Kate_ls
Well done on getting back on track after you slip. Whilst it’s disappointing for you that it happened, you have refocused and moved on, which is good. I’d have thought an average size salad to be approx. 30 to 40cals, with carbs about 2-3g (this is a guestimate you understand). Lemon juice and sea salt really zings up a salad for pretty much zero cals, but remember that you need fats on this diet, so some olive oil included in a dressing would be a good idea. Or you could use some yogurt thinned down with a flavoured vinegar and some added herbs perhaps.

Hi Magpie and Judith,
I did wonder after I posted whether I should have mentioned dementia. It was after the 5 minute edit period and too late. Sorry, it was the ex district nurse in me rearing it’s head 🙁
I have seen too many older people frantically covering up any shortfalls in their ability to manage, and pushing away the very people who could help them to remain fairly independent. Most are very good socially and only very close family ever get suspicious about what is really going on. So your Mum is lucky that you have her well being in mind.
I think that you are right about leading by example. It should help to open up some discussions about healthy eating once they notice your weight loss and improved energy. 🙂
The other thought that occurred was about how much time she spends out doors. Does she have a comfy, sheltered spot to sit outside now that Spring has sprung? Vitamin D has an important role to play in mood/mental health as well as blood sugar control. Levels are easily checked by blood test at her next GP appt. like I said, just a thought…

Hi Jackie WilsonSaid,
I meant to mention that there is a really good Creamy Cauliflower and Bean soup on the recipes section – very tasty and filling. It made 4 portions and I will make more later this week!

We are off to Turkey at the end of this week and it is quite common for people to eat soup at breakfast there – usually lentil, lentil, mint and tomato, tripe, or – my favourite – sheep head and tripe. They usually serve their soups with a side salad, so makes a healthy and substantial meal.

Get some ketostix lucia, you haven’t got enough to do in the bathroom, inject a bit of science fun xxx

orchid,
Thanks for the input and glad it has worked for you. I guess you’ll get used to weighing less!
Soup I think is a great idea for lunch – every time I make a tasty soup I think I should make more, so the next 8 will provide an incentive.
I’m still pondering the FBS/weight measurement etc issue – in a way I’m fascinated as it’s all about me/me/me, but maybe I’ll just look at myself in the mirror a bit more! ha

Hi joan, the only things i can’t get in aldi are coconut flour, tahini and lentils. The ground flax seeds are £1.99. Sainsburys are £6. Aldi coconut oil is ££1.99.
You probably have all those things in stock now
Another benefit if you are busy is that thevshop is smaller and you can get round more quickly.

Sunnyb is right about thinking outside the box on this diet.

Make it easy on yourself. Some of the meals you would normally eat are fine. Curry without the rice, burgers without chips, bolognese without the spaghetti etc

Plain omlettes, beans and grilled tomatoes, fish and veg baked foil wrapped in the oven etc 🙂

Hi Franash and Sharoni58, I started a thread for Aussies, with low carb food and a useful app. Please feel free to contribute and spread the news. Loads of Aussies on here now. Good luck with your journey 🙂

Can I add a note of caution about licorice tea. It can have an effect on anyone suffering from high blood pressure, so caution is recommended. One brand advises only one cup a day.

Hi Jackie WilsonSaid,
I finished my 8 weeks last Monday and now into week 9. I am carrying on for a few weeks more. I was not diabetic, but having measured my FBS I found I was getting too close to prediabetic for comfort.
I weight myself daily as weight can vary day by day due to fluid retention, gut-fill etc. If you only step in the scales once a week you may hit a bad day. Psychologically it helps me to realise that yesterday was lighter and think – why the difference – often it is obvious so you don’t fret about it? It usually rectifies itself the following day anyhow!
The first couple of weeks I recorded my weight and FBS every day until I was sure the FBS was down and staying there, and that the weight was coming off steadily. I then moved to twice a week recording my weight and FBS and once a week for measurements and fat%. I am now on once a week recording everything, but I still step on the scales daily for reassurance :-). I have lost just over 2 stone in 8.5 weeks and paranoid it will reappear overnight!
I started with Shakes as it meant I could start fast and get organised in the first week. I moved onto ‘real’ foods week two and fully cooking all my own stuff week 3 onwards. Each to their own, but at some time you need to be preparing your own food and you need to learn what works for you. I used very few of the menus as I am vegetarian and they did not work for me. I made lots of vegetable soups for lunch (120-180 cals each), they are filling and that set me up for the afternoon. Carbs can be high compared with meat, but these are good carbs – slow release etc. Some of the others who are diabetic can advise better on that.
I did try the egg on ‘Portobello mushroom’ toast – either scrambled or poached. for breakfast. After a week or so of that every day I was sick of the sight of eggs and wanted to get back to my ‘normal’ muesli breakfast. It was also about the time I decided to take the plunge and drop the fat free foods by getting some full fat greek yogurt. I have 30g blueberries, 60g full fat yogurt and then 3g each of linseeds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and 3 almonds chopped. Mix together and add a good pinch of cinnamon. Been on that ever since and happy with breakfast again. The seeds give good nutrients and also some bite. It is 166 cals and 10g carbs.
Good luck with it – believe it or not it has been fun – it always helps when you are succeeding at something, but the support from the forum really helps a lot.
Look forward to your future posts.

Sorry lucia it will be a case of love is in the air for those blackbirds.

Your brushing teeth routine sounds so relaxing, are you sure you couldn’t fit in a bit of soldierly marching while correctly calculating the amount of slobber to toothpaste? Xxxx

Hi spendloven – I’m guessing the £60, included some ingredient items you perhaps don’t normally buy, but will now be in the store cupboard – at least I’d hope so. I’d suggest before shopping again, you have a plan for how to use what you are going to purchase and indeed all you have already bought for the BSD.

As hashimoto says, there are plenty of cheap options – I buy Turkish Style yogurt from Lidl at £1.38 for a litre and as it’s 10% fat this lasts approx ten days and adding a few berries makes for a tasty and satisfying breakfast. Gem lettuces as cheap and make a great base for an open sandwich – you could top them with a little of your homemade hummus and a little cold meat perhaps. Adding a bit of tahini to sauces gives a nice creamy result, or you could add a little to mashed veggies, cauli or carrot maybe.

Think what is nice about this way of eating, is you start to think outside the box with regard to food and making eating interesting again. I’m getting creative in the kitchen again and amazingly, I’m not thinking about the next meal even before I have finished the one I’m eating.

Joan be sure to use up veggies to make soup, rather than let them go to waste – and if you don’t want to use it right away, freeze it off for later. And remember, there is no need to be a slave to the menu plans in the book, it’s quite permissible to devise dishes for yourself, to use up anything you need to.

So, don’t panic about the cost, think about what you actually need to buy and how it will be used then buy wisely. But most of all, enjoy this wonderful new regime and let us know your results please.

Hi gang,
You know that cartoon that I enjoy, pickles?
Well after the marching when cleaning your teeth, today’s pickles comic strip as so apt today. Look what Earl does with the TVs.

I hate this computer, I type a sentence then as I start in the second sentence, it goes back and changes words in the first.
Why can’t it alter it as we go, so I know what I have said, after I have said it, rather than read the blog later and say Eh?

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Yes I agree, it cost me a lot today in Sainsburys! I am hoping I will use everything and not left with veg going bad at the end of the week otherwise the recommended diet isn’t well planned!
I really like the sound of the meals in week one, but not as much for week two so I will probably repeat some of the week 1 meals during week 2.
I hope the shopping doesn’t cost as much next week, I know Aldi may be cheaper but they probably won’t have everything and working full time means I don’t have time to shop around. I will try my best to go one evening to see what they do have.

Welcome Joan and spendloven!

Like you hashimoto I do find I’m spending more on some things, but saving overall because I’m not buying all the junk. It’s actually a bit scary how much I spent on junk before. I don’t follow the book recipes either, I didn’t really find them appealing – it’s easy to follow this diet by having smaller portions of what I’d normally have (without the carbs though!)

I’m buying fresh raspberries, some low carb items that cost a lot (like coconut flour and ground flax) but last aaaaages – coconut flour goes on and on and on! Also expensive veggies like baby corn.

I’m only indulging in expensive stuff for the first couple of weeks while I’m off work, then when I’m back to work I’ll get some frozen berries and go to cheaper veggies as well – I just thought while I’m at home I will stick to it better if I get really good quality stuff.