Thanks for that,just looking at my subway salad bowl I think it’s all above ground stuff,lettuce onions olives tomatoes peppers cucumbers,and some chicken which is defiantly not underground around 170 calories whew…but diet cokes a no no ? !!
Thanks again Alan

Today:
B: yoghurt, berries, seeds
L: smoked salmon, mixed salad
D; half can reduced sugar baked beans with grated cheese mixed in – my new comfort food 🙂

Hi Whalleyrange,
I wouldn’t advise that you stop your statins just yet without knowing what your cholesterol level is. It’s something you should discuss with your Doctor first.
It’s not like stopping diabetes meds where you can test at home to see the effect it’s having.
Do you know what your cholesterol level was pre- diet? If you are keeping your carbs low, 50g per day or less, you will get to lower your cholesterol. I think it is worth continuing on them for a few more weeks to give yourself a bit longer to get the most benefit from the diet. You are more likely to get the go ahead from your GP with a bit more weight loss and a lower cholesterol reading.
You have made a great start though, with a fantastic weight loss after only three weeks. Your GP can’t fail to be impressed by your commitment and results 🙂

Hi Cherrianne
I was all geared to drop it this weekend until yesterday.
If things stay stable until Monday I’ll do it then
Whalleyrange check out the prices of the test strips and buy the meter that uses the cheapest ones. They all do the same job but prices vary.

Hi hashimoto

Can’t find the T 2 personal story to link to the BBC article to send my email to ? They have moved on with the news. Will try to email direct to James Gallagher health editor at BBC later. Am out now
Eureka

Hi Eureka

You’re certainly not alone! I still wonder how I am supposed to take both waist and hip measurements – they seem pretty much the same to me.
Have you noticed that pictures of people who have lost lots of weight never seem to have turkey necks? Methinks a bit of airbrushing goes on.
Seriously, I have read that the best way to keep skin supple when dieting, is weight training. Don’t know if it’s true, but I think I have to try, anyway, to make sure I don’t lose too much muscle – it isn’t just fat we lose.

Pame

Hi all
And me I’ve reported the spam too

Hi Alanhyno
As a rule of thumb try not to eat too much in the way of veggies that grow underground, as these tend to be higher in carbs, go for above ground growing veg – leafy veg are excellent. There isn’t a list of permitted foods as far as I am aware, but go for dairy, meat, poultry, fish, veggies, legume and pulses – the last two being complex carbs are much better for you than simple carbs, but best in moderation. Things to definitely avoid, anything sugary, cakes, biscuits, pastries, pasta, rice and potatoes, as these are all high in simple carbs, which spike the blood sugar and helps pile on the fat.

Hi bill1954
I keep doing this posting before I’ve finished, it’s me and this iPad!
Did you see the piece in the daily mail today? I havent read it yet just the headlines, ‘obesity crisis sends diabetes soaring by a third since 1980’ will read if I have time, got more family coming this afternoon, so chance until later or even in the morning!

Alan have a look at the recipe section of the site and the “what have you eaten today” thread
You’ll find enough tips and recipes to last you way past 8 weeks and they are all tried and tested
I don’t think even Subway could mess up a salad so should be ok

Hi Spirit

Thanks for the praise! Sometimes I do feel I should have done better, but it’s always better to look forward than look back. Like you, I did the 5:2 fast for a while but lost impetus last year.
I have decided to add fast days, along with the 800 calorie days. I had one last week and I am fasting today. Hopefully that will kick-start the weight loss again.

Pam

Hi all

Discard the carbs. Spams no good for us anyway.
Eureka

Hi I wonder if anyone could give some advice or recommendation on a reliable and accurate BS monitor. There are so many on the market with a wide range of prices. I’m insulin resistant and after 3 weeks on the plan feel its time to start monitoring my BS levels. Any help would be really appreciated.

jillyB of course fats contain calories but there has to be a trade off somewhere.
You know about how it works getting into fat burning mode so why not try what I do ?
I don’t worry about the calories, I just restrict the simple carbs and increase the fat intake.
I find now that my appetite has lessened so much that I struggle to clear a plate and I have lost 2 stones. The fat keeps me feeling full through until the next meal. I use coconut oil, olive oil, butter, cheese, and natural meat fats.
If you can get to the point where a little food will satisfy you, the calories will take care of themselves.
Best of luck

Hi Alanhypno
As Deb says, pre-packaged foods have the nutrition info on it somewhere and there are also plenty of sites that supply info for nutritional content online. I have also purchased quite a good little book from Amazon – Women’s Weekly Fat+Carb_Protein Counter. Most important is to keep an eye on carbs and try to keep them around 50g a day and try to keep around the 800cals a day and you should be fine.

>> I bought my mother, after a heart attack

I just read that as ‘I bought my mother a heart attack’.

Need coffee…

I’ve been on the 800 for a week now and I’ve just started using My Fitness Pal to track my progress. Their status shows NETT calorie intake / day … Allowable (800) + Food – Exercise

Am I allowed 800 gross or Nett calories ?

Is there any list of all foods I can eat on this plan ???
As I’m new to Mediterranean cooking I think it would make it much easier if I had a list of foods I could eat,I know there’s lots of recipes but to make my own would be easier if list available.
Just eating a subway salad bowl with chicken around 160 calories and lots veg but is it all ok to eat ?
I begin next week as I’m buying a blood test kit so I can compare before and after results !!!!
Many many thanks to all for your input,more than I’ve had from medical profession in years
Alan

Hi Christi1948

Sorry You & catgirl seemed to have been got at! Emailed the tech team this am ( like I know what I’m doing!) so do hope they can sort it all & tighten up security. We don’t want to lose you or anyone to that kind of feeble mind!

Yep it’s me x
Eureka

Hi bill1954
I have just been catching up on the forum, I have also reported these rogue posts, I am glad you reported the phone number one, I though I was going crazy when I saw them then logged out and back in and they were gone!
I hope they sort it thanks
Christine

Hi Natalie
I have reported the rogue posts, and I think others have too!

Hi everyone – thank for all the replies to my post, they really helped. Now day 4 and the headache has starting to improve. I’m taking the paracetamol and that definitely made me feel a bit better. I also took a day off work (I’m freelance so I can do this if I need to) and lay on the sofa sleeping and feeling sorry for myself – great therapy! I’ve also lost a few pounds so that’s very encouraging. Feel that the worst is over now and I’m focused to keep going.

Thanks for the tip Fran84, the cube of cheese saved me yesterday, it’s amazing how so little can be a help.

Hi barby – don’t be scared of the scales! I was and it’s now day four the same as you, I got on the scales this morning and have lost three pounds already. Hope you get the same result!

That’s good news Bill, I was hoping it was something simple like that.
You are getting so close to that non diabetic fasting blood sugar level!! Only 0.7 to go and you’ll have cracked it. You’re already there the rest of the day.
Do what Lucia does, talk to your liver! Encourage it, tell it to let go of those last stores of fat, tell it what an awesome organ it is and that you’ll never put it under such stress again 🙂
It will give a big sigh, let the last bits of fat drain away, and you’ll be under 5.9 and non diabetic….
Have you dropped the metformin altogether? Might be time to do it if you haven’t already.

Hi barby – I use the Trukish style yogurt from Lidl, which is 10% fat and very creamy. I sometimes soak a few sultanas in a flavoured tea – rose, ginger or a fruit version – then sprinkle a few into my yogurt with some mixed seeds. It’s amazing how much sweetness just a few pre-soaked sultanas can impart. I also sometimes add a little cinnamon or nutmeg.

Check out the What have you eaten today thread, where people post their menus, as there are lots of ideas on there.

Yes Bill, challenge the doctors! My neighbour I was talking about is an old style French doctor, who believes that doctors have the God-given task of looking after their patients, not give them the means to look after themselves.
I used to have a BMI of around 36 (now hovering just below30) and my own doctor never used the “O” word. he treated my slow to heal wounds, but never said that I was pre-diabetic and obese.
I am glad to find the solution myself. I feel great on this BSD with fasting.

Hi catgirl,
I watched that programme, I love any gardening show, and now Angela is with us (she has been training to be a horticulturist!) we are even more engrossed in the garden profs.

Hi Judith
Didn’t finish my post. I have has a couple of rogue posts, I think both supposed to be from catgirl, I know she hasn’t sent them, I believe the tech team has been informed?

mummytummy,

Thank you for your suggestions, but that was not quite the question I asked. I know all about carbs spiking, and good fats burning energy and being more satiated…..I have been insulin dependent T2 for many years, so I understand all that. What I wanted to know, given that fats [ good or bad ] are high in calories, so this would take a big chunk from my calorie allowance.
Regards jillyB

Hi QuiOui
Loving the attitude there.
If a few more patients were like you and challenged their GP’s they might start actually thinking about their jobs instead of just blindly following the book.
I have to say though that I have spoken to a few now who know about the benefits of low carb eating, they just don’t broadcast it.
Shameful really.

Hi, I make the brownies weekly but don’t use nibs I use cocoa powder as it makes them tastier I think, I also make the almond and fruit pudding which is lovely with yog, my family eat what I give them and believe me if they knew they were eating sugarless treats they would be shouting from the rooftops😳. If you make these things look “normal” you’ve won the battle👍

Hi Judith
The Aunty Edna special is very heavy on carbs! So I won’t be partaking unfortunately, got myself a piece of swordfish from the fish man that calls this morning so I won’t starve.

Aah, thank you Bill, you are very kind. You are well on your way to reaching your objective too! You just need to stop lowering the weight you want to get to lol 😉
Seriously though, this BSD way of life exceeds expectations doesn’t it? It does take some perseverance and occasional detective work, but to look back at where we all were and what we’ve achieved is inspiring. We are proving that diabetes needn’t be a progressive illness and that we can overcome it. I truly don’t think that those of us who’ve crossed the 8 week line would ever go back to a carb heavy diet again.
I’m proud of all of us, and treasure the friendship and support. What a great bunch you are.

Steve T- I made the meatballs with very lean beef, not lamb. It was good.

I like your reply, Bill1954, about the Diabetes questionnaire. When I started fasting, I went to my doctor to tell him about fasting. He sat me down and asked me a lot of How To questions. I said that I found my own way of solving the problem, and he said this was great. He could not offer a solution and was happy I found one ( a rare doctor).However my neighbour said he did not agree with fasting. My reply was (politely) that I was going to do it anyway. Now I am 25kg lighter, my neighbour no longer says anything.

200 and counting, only 9800 to go 😀

It’s looking like yesterday was just a blip, FBS was 6.6 this morning.
Interestingly, I had a stomach cramp yesterday followed by a sprint to the loo (reminders of Metformin moments) so I maybe had a tummy bug that was affecting things. in fact, by 6:30 last night I was back down in the 4’s 🙂

Hi Mared
Try increasing your fat intake to help your body into fat burning mode, that should help.
If I understand it correctly, your body will shed a lot of fluid in the first few days showing fast weight loss but then it will start to retain water to help flush the extra glucoze from your system, hence the plateaux.
You should see results by next week

Short update from me on how things are going. Been an odd couple of days, hypoglycemic after jog, little weight loss since the end of the 8 weeks, (now in week 10), then a rush. 84 kg this morning. So now a total weight loss 13.8kg (30.4lbs). Just checked BMI and now 10kg off of next target which is ‘normal’ BMI. and 11 kg off my final target. Feeling a bit happier than yesterday when I spent the whole day running to the loo!
Off to find some ketostix to check my state of ketosis as I suspect that was the cause of yesterdays loo visits.

Spotted this whilst browsing this morning – thought it might amuse (and interest) some others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zg3hk7h?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=avs&intc_campaign=bbcone_howtostayyoung&intc_linkname=guide_realagetest_contentcard2
There is a programme on tonight on how to slow aging – both body and it supports. I answered it as a mixture of what I am currently doing, and what I was doing and my lifestyle answers added 7 years to my lifestyle age! You can then adjust the answers to see which you need focus on to bring your age down to your real age (and lower). I need to get a dog :-), walk dog twice a day, keep up the weight loss and so to see the doctors occasionally – that took me to 4 years younger than my real age!

Hello
I am new too and not diabetic either, but needing a boost to lose my last 8kg.
I am on day 3 and really enjoying cooking at home again after 4 weeks on the move and a bit too much chocolate.
Ieat the 800 calories in a 5 hour eating window, and already burning fat ( my OH can smell the acetone).

Hi Bill1954, I will certainly sign your petition! Thanks!

And gone
thanks JJ you’re really on the ball today 🙂

I’ve been disappointed too. I think I’ve been really good, no potatoes, rice, pasta, bread or alcohol – just bacon, eggs, salads, stir fries, chicken, salmon and hummous. I’ve not lost anything, although it has been the first week only. Could it just be that I need to up the water intake even more and eat more yoghurt and cheese? Apart from this, found the diet easy so far and enjoyed to food.

Welcome Kingdoone
You don’t need to feel like a fraud, there are many non diabetics on the forums.
Use the diet as a preventitive measure, it’s all good.

reported multiple times – bloody annoying

Hi! Please don’t worry, the site hasn’t been hacked. We won’t comment on individual cases for privacy reasons but I will almost always give the same information regarding passwords and keeping them safe, regardless of the root cause of the concern.

So here goes 😊

You should have unique, strong and long passwords for each site you use. These can be difficult to remember, so there are password managers available which remember them for you and plug into your browser to help you fill out login forms. I use 1Password, https://agilebits.com/, and LastPass, https://lastpass.com/, is also popular. The reason for this is if one site you are on gets hacked, then hackers can’t use that information to hack you on another site.

I also recommend looking at Troy Hunt’s site, have i been pwned? https://haveibeenpwned.com/, to see if your email has been involved in any of the big data breaches. Troy Hunt teaches courses on web security and has provided that site as a free service.

We aren’t affiliated with any of those, it’s just that when the topic comes up, it seems responsible to mention it.

Congratulations Garden78! They are amazing results. May I suggest you repost this in ‘Fast 800’ ? I think anyone struggling would appreciate reading this! X

got this back from admin
Thanks for the reports. The site hasn’t been hacked or compromised but I can’t comment more on what happened for privacy reasons.

Now the spammers are hitting another forum, the 5:2
This is getting ridiculous

Hi Everyone,
I feel a bit of a fraud as I am not diabetic yet!!
I am clinically ‘obese’ BMI 34.2 and have over years lost considerable amounts of weight and regained. I even lost 3 stones with ‘Lighterlife’ just protein drinks for 3 months.
I am in my 60’s and realise with my large waist I am heading in the diabetes direction. My saving grace being that I am very active.
I am a qualified diabetes nurse, now retired! So also feel some guilt and shame. After reading the book it echoes what I have thought for many years , that we treat diabetes wrongly.
Anyway , I am fascinated by your emails and your determination to succeed.
I have started !

Hi JillyB!
Fat is the most energy dense of all the nutrients ( protein fats and carbs). The secret to the success of this plan is you use ‘good’ fats- olive oil, coconut oil, avocado, rapeseed oil, and Butter- not margarine or ‘low fat’ spreads. Small amounts of good fats are good for us and keep us feeling full for longer. So even tho the amounts seem small, it should satisfy you for longer than a plate full of starchy carbs does because they just spike your blood sugar then it crashes down much sooner leaving you feeling starving! Bad fats are those onus in low fat spreads, commercially made cakes biscuits and pastries, which are mainly ‘trans fats’ and are very bad for us. Good luck JillyB! X

Hi barby, yes cacao nibs are an acquired taste for some. I love them but I’ve never been a milk chocolate fan. They are quite pricey (I buy raw nibs online) but I find a dessert spoon sprinkled on top of my yogurt is enough so a pack goes a long way. I also use turmeric, cinnamon and root ginger in savoury food and cacao can zip up a chilli! I am interested in the anti inflammatory effect of such foods as well as the delicious taste. if you like coconut there are dairy free coconut yogurts available in the usual supermarkets. Check that they are unsweetened. I’m interested to hear how my fellow vegetarians are doing. 😊