Oh had bacon n egg with mushroom tomatoes this morning are these allowed

Lucia, my heart was pounding reading that. She hasn’t has she? Not really? Please tell me it isn’t true!! Phewwww, it was a NIGHTMARE!!

Your subconscious is telling you you can’t and won’t go back to that! What a relief!!

You’re now over the most difficult part of BSD and it will be much easier from now on.

XXX

I’ve just read your original post! Can’t believe how far you have come since the 8th March. Your first week was your adjustment phase, so in a way you have done 3 weeks of BSD proper. Incredible progress Lucia 🙂 🙂 🙂

So,
I went to the Chinese takeaway, my local, I got my usual. Special fried rice, sweet and sour chicken, large bag of chips.
After I ate all that, (that’s three dinner plates full) I ate a family bag of twirls and chocolate buttons, a tube of Pringles and a pint glass of Pepsi, and still felt hungry. I went into the kitchen for something else to eat……there was a noise……. SOMETHING WOKE ME UP.
It was a NIGHTMARE
OMG, I could feel my heart clogging up and my carbs going into overdrive.
I went into the kitchen, wake this time and kissed an apple.
Phew!!!!
Don’t do that again to me, I can’t cope?!!!?!!
My heart was racing.
I CANNOT go back the way I was.

I embrace my next month on bs800.

I need a lie down now after that. I was so upset afterwards.

What an eye opener.

I think my mood, my health and my will power was up and down last week, and it worried me. As it played on my mind, I dreamed about it.

Love Lucia

Xxxx

Thanks good advice Hashimoto 😀 will do that and see how it goes .

Everytime I eat pulses it leaves me bloated and windy is this normal? Think my body is detoxing as I’m never out the loo is normal? How long does it last? And yes my water intake has increases substantially

Thanks so much orchid. You’ve really cleared things up and helped me confirm ideas I had. I’ll do as you have fine and keep the baked goods out of the picture. I think I’ll add swimming to my regime from next week as its low impact and will help with overall weight loss.
Wishing you all the best with your regime moving forward.
Thanks again, Narisya

Hi Stingle, my feeling is that carbs caused us all the trouble in the first place. I have increased my calories but kicked the carbs into the wide blue yonder. I may have a roast potato and a roast parsnip with my Christmas dinner, but apart from celebrations I will be keeping of them. I’m averaging about 1200 calories a day now so you should be fine building up to 1250!

I’ve been doing it now for a few weeks, I haven’t gained any weight, in fact I have lost a few ounces each week.
I will have the occasional glass of red wine because I love it. I just want to stay well now that I am.
If you want to introduce some carbs I would suggest introduce them slowly and in small quantities to see what happens.
🙂

Thanks very much orchid! That helped a lot.

Hi Hashimoto, I’ve just been thought the website again and been thinking through how to get it to work. One of the things it totally kills are any of the rehydration drinks at the end of a run to replenish fluids. They are also meant to help rebuild the glycogen stores and minimise muscle pain. ! I never did take them, as there is good research that says the best rehydration for rebuilding the muscles is chocolate milk!! I used to take a half pint of milk to drink after I had been training for a 10k. You need to take it within 30 minutes of completing the run – so the 90 mins break before you eat for women knocks that on the head.
Once I am able to do more than a fast amble to the park I will experiment!
thank-you again.

Seen as I created a very low forum thread here is the happy one!!

Well most of you know a stone loss!! I gained some the. Lost it then gained then lost it so back to a stone loss!!

But imagine what I could have lost! But I won’t dwell as no point!

I am now making my own soups which are super tasty and low cal!

I even did a roast dinner without the roasts potatoes! Used celeriac instead.. I shaped them like potatoes .

So I’m happy . I am learning daily and this forum is the best!

Please share your high days and also we are all here for the low X X. As someone who has a long way to go.. You are no alone.. Someone here may have gone through it.. Or have great advice

Thanks guys. Have to say I am a bit nervous about what to do next …..do I reintroduce carbs slowly or should I just avoid them. I thought about keeping calories to say 1250 a day what do you all think is the way forward? I don’t want to be obsessive but don’t want to spoil my results ?

I know I probably do more but I’m human . But it can be done. Ok it’s not the loss I had planned but I think that was a problem I expected to much and set myself to fail. I now have bad stuff and no sooner had it passed my lips I regret it. So I am educating myself.

Roman wasn’t built in a day and nor will my weight loss be!

Have to say I am gagging for a drink so having a long vodka and Pepsi drink this week!

I do get very low but part of Diet is a journey. It’s not just low carbs and sugar but how food effects us. Highs.. LoWs.. How we sometimes turn to food when bored

Every day I’m learning more about myself which is helping me.

Don’t mean to sound preachy but..:: it’s
How I cope. That and you lovely peeps xxx

Brilliant thank-you for researching this I’ve read the new thread and will go back to find the clip of the programme and the graphs :-).

Lostgirl at least you have cut back drastically on the amount you drink. Just keep on diluting until eventually you may be able to get it so weak it’s half a glass a day. I’m talking weeks not days!!
Keep on going you are doing brill. A stone in the short time you have been on this diet is something to be proud of 🙂

Hi Orchid, I have just copied and pasted the info on a new thread called ‘Fat burning – different for men and women’.

You may want to google to see all the photos and graphs. They used carbo drinks in the experiment so your milk idea is probably much better than my idea!! 🙂

Pepsi max hmmm hate to say it .. Lost cause. But I have dramatically reduced amount I drink . During week I am also diluting it.

I think if I crack thmyself carbs I can have the glass of Pepsi a day. Can’t do others .. Tried! I am also trying to up water content.

Bloomin aspertame is in so much!!

This was copied and pasted directly from ‘The trust me I’m a Doctor’ website. Sadly it hasn’t copied the graphs or photos but you can look it up your selves 🙂 if you google trust me I’m a doctor the big experiment

The big experiment: how can I get my body to burn more fat, without doing more exercise?

Our bodies use two main types of fuel: fat and carbohydrates – and most of us wish we could tell them to burn a bit more of our fat reserves!

Well, some new research suggests that there is a way, just by timing when we eat with when we exercise.

We heard of a laboratory test done by Dr Adam Collins of the University of Surrey which suggested that the amount of fat we burn changes based on whether we eat before or after exercise – and that this seemed to be different for men and women.

If he’s right, it might be possible to change our eating habits around exercise to increase the amount of fat our bodies are burning throughout the day – so we decided to do a big experiment to help find out.

Experiment 1: The laboratory test

Adam’s initial experiment had shown that for young men, eating carbohydrates (CHO) before exercise significantly decreased the amount of fat their bodies were burning for the 3 hours afterwards, whilst they were resting (n=10, p = 0.02, Wilcoxon matched pair tests, repeated measures 2-way ANOVA, multiple t-tests).

When he did a similar experiment with both men and women, he and his team found that whilst the men still burned less fat if they had eaten carbohydrates before exercising (n=7, p<0.05), the women burned MORE fat if they had eaten carbohydrates before exercising (n=8, p<0.05)

Total fat (g) oxidation between treatments, and genders (Exercise + Recovery)

We repeated this experiment on a single brother and sister pair, Jess & Josh, and got similar results.

* Significantly different between genders: p≤0.05;

† Significantly different between treatments: p≤0.05

Experiment 2: The Long Term Effect

In order to see whether this effect measured in the laboratory could actually be significant in the real world, we teamed up with Adam and his research group to recruit 30 volunteers to take part in a longer term experiment.

We took 13 men and 17 women who did not normally do a lot of exercise, and for 4 weeks they all took part in a 3 supervised classes a week: high intensity training, Zumba and spin classes. All of them had a drink both before and after each exercise class, but one of their drinks was a placebo (had no calories in it), whilst the other was a carefully calorie-controlled hit of carbohydrate. No one knew who was taking which drink when.
◾7 of the men were taking the carbohydrate drink before exercising, whilst 6 were taking it afterwards.
◾7 of the women were taking the carbohydrate drink before exercising, whilst 10 were taking it afterwards.

At the beginning and end of the experiment, we tested how much fat they were burning whilst at rest (as well as a range of other measures such as weight, waist circumference and blood sugar/fat levels).

Results

Whilst all the women ended up burning slightly more fat at the end of the experiment, those who were taking carbohydrates before their exercise were burning more.

Meanwhile, all the men were actually burning slightly less fat at the end of the experiment, but those who were taking carbohydrates after their exercise were better off.

We saw no significant differences in their weights or waist circumference, but their blood sugar levels changed in the same way as their fat burning.

How it works

Men and women burn fat and carbohydrate in different ways.

Men are very much ‘carbohydrate burners’ – if as a man you eat carbohydrate then your body is going to burn it rather than fat. Just giving the men carbohydrate at any time in our experiment made them burn a bit less fat! However, given that we all have to eat (and carbohydrate is an important part of our food), it is better for men to eat after exercising if they want to burn fat. This is because after exercise, men will use that carbohydrate to replace the carbohydrate in their muscles rather than burn it for fuel and will continue to burn fat instead.

For women, the results clearly show that eating before they exercise is better than eating after if they want to burn fat. Women’s bodies tend to burn fat more easily than men’s, and are not fuelled so much by carbohydrate. Moreover, women are much better at conserving carbohydrate during exercise. So when women eat carbohydrate soon after exercise, this is effectively overloading them with fuel, and interferes with the body’s ability to burn fat.

The amount of carbohydrate in our tests is probably the equivalent of a piece of toast, or a small bowl of cereal – and for men ‘not eating before exercise’ means about 90 minutes before exercise, and for women ‘not eating after exercise’ similarly means for about 90 minutes after.

Although our study was quite small, put together with the evidence from the laboratory experiments, it does seem worth us all making that simple adjustment to when we eat in order to maximise the amount of fat that our bodies burn throughout the day.

Related Links

◾ Dr Adam Collins’ website (www.surrey.ac.uk)
◾ Adam’s initial work on the subject (journals.cambridge.org)

Hi Lallya. Like you I’m 5ft 2ins, but type 2 diabetic. Just checked the conversion and when I started this 16 weeks ago I weighed 101.6 kg. Today I weigh 81.2 kg. The only exercise I get is walking as much of my work is either desk-bound or involves long bus or train rides. As Hashimoto says, it works. 😃

Hi Lostgirl, sounds like you are really cracking this!
How is the pepsi max problem going? 🙂

I have been using this recipe to make 20 brownies for 115 calories each. I use soaked raisins not dates and less honey than suggested here but that’s preference I suppose. I have baked them in a smaller roasting tin to give depth and 25-30 minutes cooking. I freeze mine and take one out just as I leave for work so it’s ready to go at lunch time. They’re not perfect but they do the trick when you need something sweet!

Ingredients
5 Eggs
100 grams Cocoa Powder
4 Tablespoons Melted Coconut Oil or Butter (60g)
1/8 teaspoon Salt
4-5 Tablespoons Honey
100 grams Raw Beetroot
15 Dates pitted (I used soaked raisins as didn’t have dates and they are Carb heavy. Used 240g)

Instructions
Preheat the oven to 200*C.
In a food processor blend the beetroot, dates/raisins and eggs for 1-2 minutes. Then add the other ingredients and blend until smooth.
Pour the mixture into a greased tray so it’s about an inch in thickness. (I used a half size baking tray which gave depth)
Bake for 20 minutes for gooey brownies or 25 minutes for firmer ones.
Allow to cool then cut into slices.
Makes 20, 115 calories each
Store in fridge or freezer.

Well I’m still here!! Just under the stone . So yo go but least I have managed to take off twice what I gained!!

Trying a new roast dinner. Lean joint and veg. I have allowed a Yorkshire and no roasts!! Instead have used celeriac. Not a too bad!!!

Next week more home made soup!!!

Thanks Hashimoto, that is a good idea. Feta cheese would probably also work similarly to the egg. Do you think that my body could process the protein and fat fast enough to make up for the missing sugars? I seem to remember both protein and fats take longer to breakdown, but I have not checked so may be wrong.

Thanks for the tip on yoghurt I’ve just had it with blueberries absolutely gorgeous !
Lot dearer than low fat yogurt but won’t be eating it by the barrel full
It went down well after my chicken breast salad.
Zero hunger pangs no head ache,hope my portions are ok that’s my biggest worry,I’ve put the chicken into my fitness app and results vary so much so called one breast 87 calories prolly wrong .
This morning I had egg bacon mushroom tomatoes please tell me off if this is way over.
Cheers Alan day 2

🙂
Yes eureka, I’ve learned about diabetes mellitis the hard way too.And I believe you regarding the advice you were given. I was misled to eat lots of low glycaemic index grains! At least now there are more of us waking up and thanks to Michaels book a lot more exoposure of the myths that are doing us in. Hopefully the appearances and interviews Michael is doing for the book will filter out to the doctors and diabetes “experts”.

I found a video yesterday that I linked somewhere on a thread I started here that specifies the numbers for the drugs that are used to treat diabetes…specifically how much they each will drop blood glucose and HbA1c and how many heart attacks and strokes they will prevent. For the money being spent, it is pathetically little genuine affect and people are following their doctor’s advice not knowing that there have not been many studies on the effects of drugs such as Metformin whcih is known as the glod standard…a triumph of marketing over analysis if ever there was one. My own HbA1c is no idifferent on mMetformin and off it.

Most of the advice links back to just one good result in a British study apparently…no meta analysis…

This article I am linking below is an interesting read. The books referred to in the article are all good ones and available…and it is these books that have helped be find my way through the maze. I kept following the breadcrumbs…I am waiting for a copy of Jason Fung’s The Obesity Code due out here in early May…I have high hopes of that too, I like his work a lot.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

There are some brave honest people in the medical world speaking up and they are real heroes. I am very very grateful to them.
I think it is a whole lot healthier to be angry about the way we have been treated and misinformed than to meekly accept it.

Hi again LJO, I finally got around to making these today. I am not a brownie aficionado so not entirely sure what the perfect brownie texture should be! However, I found the end result to be acceptable.
I did not have almond flour, rather I used up my pack of ground almonds which I assume is not as fine as the flour. Maybe that will give a bit of “body”…. I don’t have a processor to grind the nibs (elbow grease & pestle/mortar, must have burned up a calorie or two), so I’ve got “bits” which make for a different kind of texture. Admittedly, since I was low on eggs, I only used 2 large ones – the raw mixture seemed wet enough but after cooking I think mine needed the extra egg.
I don’t think these diet versions are ever going to be quite as good as the real thing!

http://franticworld.com/free-meditations-from-mindfulness/
The above website accompanies a book written by Oxford University on Mindfulness. The book is ‘Finding peace in a frantic world’. I did 3 or 4 sessions between November and end February 2 hours each on Mindfulness and this book was the basis for the teaching. I enjoyed the courses.
I bought the book to start with on Kindle only to discover that you cannot access the CD resources that they have available in the book, if you want to follow this approach – buy the book in paper format!
The website has some of the info and quite a few meditations that you can use independent of the book, but are also linked to exercises in the book.

Hi orchid, I wonder if a boiled egg might be better, hardly any carbs, no sugar and only 66 calories for a medium egg. You could boil it the night before and put it in the fridge. You should be OK to run after eating that small bit of protein. What I was thinking re milk is the sugars and carbs in it could spike your blood sugars. You could still have some yoghurt and berries for brekkie when you get back in!

Hope your Achilles problem clears up fast 🙂

Thanks Hashimoto. I do remember seeing that on the series in January and thinking I wonder if that is why I used to need a glass of orange juice before I went out. I decided to ignore it this time as sometime I was ok, other times I needed the juice as I just struggled for energy. I never got faint tho’, that was a whole new experience!
The challenge is until I can jog a bit faster, I start going out early around the park – 50% grass so better for the joints than the pavements. I can’t go there later on as it is too busy with school kids playing football, so the window to use it is 7.00-7.45 or earlier as the mornings lighten. Having my breakfast before that means I need to be up before 6am to have had time to let it digest prior to jogging and I suspect I will be looking for something else to eat once I get home again – so double breakfast.
I will try a glass of milk before I go out. I had planned to do that today, but I have had a niggle since Wednesday (Achilles) that reminded me of a problem I had a few years ago that I thought ‘rest’ had fixed. Been researching all morning to understand what might be the root cause and how to fix it. I’ve worked out a series of strengthening exercises to do for a few weeks, and I will go swimming and do an aqua classes for a few weeks to build up strength.
I’ll report back how I get on with the milk approach in a couple of weeks.

Wow, Eureka, great energy there. Yes see the fasted doctor. But I have to say, that I am a faster without diabetes, and doing BSD to lose my last kilos. I had not realised what having diabetes type 2 actually entails until I joined you a few days ago. I hope the new dr is more clued up.

Sorry, I can’t sign the petition as I am not in the UK.

Thanks Jimnz(compatriot I think) for putting the Insight programme on the site.

Micheal Moseley is my guru!!

Qui Oui

Hi Eureka, you could also include the link to the Newcastle Website and to their recipe plan for those who may still want to try that approach. http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm for the approach and http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/documents/StudyRecipes.pdf for the recipes. I found the soup recipes useful when I started.

Narisya, Well done on getting started and making progress. I did as you have and just increased the walking and I have been doing a weekly pilates class that the step counter does not register. I am finished the 8 weeks and now looking at increasing my exercise through jogging and other classes at the gym. I was wary of starting that till I got to a certain threshold so did not damage my joints. Adding in some swimming would be a good thing to add in first or an aqua class if you can find one. PIlates and yoga are also good for flexibility and preparing the body for more active challenges later on. I certainly plan to make sure my exercise is up substantially in the future.
The baked good – check not just the calories but the carbs. You may find that the baked goods are higher carbs and puts you over your carb allocation. I did not bother with them as I wanted to break the habit of eating them, which I have done. Other than that, if it fits within your budgets, fine. The only other point to think about is that the recommended breakfasts are all ones that are good at keeping us full for long periods so there is less snacking. They have high fat and high protein. Do the baked goods do that?
The website recipes are ones we have tried ourselves and used, they are not vetted. Again – you need to check the calories yourself and the carbs in them before you use them. I have used the cauliflower and bean soup and it was great – it is a meal for lunch. The stuffed peppers (Indian style) I found to be very high carbs (found out after I had made them) and I ended up with no carbs for the rest of the day! I may repeat that one in a later phase, but not in the 800.
Oh and coffee – I think he assumes coffee would include milk as in cappuccino etc! I have 3-4 cups a day black with no side effects. Good luck going forward.

Hi,
I never rely on the calories given in the book, but calculate from scratch as it depends on the size of the salmon piece etc. and often you need to make a substitution. There are also errors in some recipes calculations that have been noted on other forums. Best to calculate actuals on the day of cooking and have a little room to adjust if need be. Also – one day it may take you able the 800 cals, but MM always says not to worry as later in the week you will find yourself under. Over the period it levels out.
If you are planning ahead, I always allow about 50 cals for ‘snacks’ – for me cherry tomatoes, almonds, small pieces of carrot and an allowance for milk in coffee/tea etc. I can also use that to adjust by not using it, if I have ended up higher than planned by later in the day.
good luck with getting started.

Hi hashimoto

The sites on this thread are very informing. If you want to compare the original diet & shakes with our real food 8-week BSD. It gives you the carbs, protein & fats info in the Optifast shakes. I know some people want to get as close to Optifast shakes as poss. Global newbies might be able to get Optifast shakes that we can’t. Beware of the veg type & calorie count in the original diet. It’s strict.
Watch the lecture Prof Taylor gave

Jenny Ruhl has written a second updated edition of BLOOD SUGAR 101. It includes info on current drugs. And Diet 101 — the truth about Low Carb Diets, is full of very good advice too. Get them on Amazon etc. You won’t be sorry.

Thought you could pull this info off ? For FAQS
EUREKA

Hi everyone,

I have been on the 8 week diet for 8 days today and so far I’ve lost 7kg which is simply amazing for me. I have never lost that much so fast, ever. What I love about it all is that the recipes are easy enough to follow and taste great (didn’t take to the vegetable curry recipe or the blueberry green tea shake but that may have been because I used frozen instead of fresh blueberries and used 0 fat yoghurt inserted of full fat!)

Reading all your stories has been really inspirational and reassuring. I have always believed that going under 1000 calories a day would mess up my metabolism and this is my first attempt ever. I thought that I would be crabby and starving on it but nothing of the sort. Instead i feel less lethargic, no feelings of depravation at all and of course the weight loss and inches off have been a big push in the right direction.

I have a few questions though and was wondering if anyone would be able to help me.

1) I haven’t done any major exercise except to increase my step goal in a day and be generally more active with my daily activity. I am afraid that if I do it all at once, my body will get use to it and plateau faster. I thought that maybe I would increase of the exercise factor once I got more weight off. I am also concerned about gaining the weight back after.

Question: Would the 5:2 that I have seen mentioned several times be a good way to maintain my weight after I stop with this diet?

2) Coffee – I love coffee and I see that Micael mentions that it should be an occasional affair. I like at least one in the morning and one in the evening but I drink it black. Is this okay?

3) The baked goods – Could I eat one of the guilt free baked goods as my breakfast if I wanted to skip the planned meal – as long as my calories are within the 800 mark?

4) The recipes on the website – may I use them too? Have they been approved and that’s why we see them or can anyone just contribute anything?

Apologies if some of my questions are on the ignorant side. I have just started and am just making sure I am on the right track.

Thanks very much in advance!
Good luck and great health,
Narisya

I usually top it with a scrambled egg – either one egg for breakfast or two for lunch. I add some feta cheese to that some days – it softens in the egg and adds both texture and flavour. Parmesan is also good grated on top of mushrooms especially if you put a little garlic underneath.
Cheese is calorie dense, so although dairy and not banned, it is recommended to be eaten in small amounts. Most cheeses are ok and as FoFi says, go for ones with a strong taste and I think there is a comment on using hard cheeses not brie, but I can’t find that just now.

Well done AnneElizabeth. I have just completed week 5 and have lost 17lbs! I too have not had any IBS in those 5 weeks and feel amazing!

Hi, Like you I was initially puzzled by the recipes and what was is there compared to the 800 list. I think the explanation is that the recipes are for all parts of the diet including the 5:2 and maintenance phases. Stick to what was said in the section on 800 and use the recipes that stick to those principles. Dates are certainly very sugary, so I would not have them in this phase.
Hope that helps.

Hi Everyone

I’m starting the 8 week blood sugar diet tomorrow and am putting the finishing touches to my first 4 weeks of menus (I felt this was a good thing to do so that I know exactly what I’m doing each week and can then repeat it for the second 4 weeks.)

So far, I’m only using the recipes given in the book but am slightly unsure about the calories given for some of the recipes, eg 3 ways to jazz up a salmon steak or lamb shop. It isn’t clear whether the calories given includes the salmon or the lamb.

Can anyone help as I don’t want to miscalculate the calories in the first week!

Many thanks

Eureka, I love your eloquent posts!!! Rock on!!! 🙂

I too am looking for clarification on this as I have just started the diet a week ago. On the first day as I was sitting at my desk in the office, I did have a date as a snack but only one date. Afterwards, as I was reading the book, I saw that dates were not recommended. Then as EternalOptimist noted, the guilt free brownie recipe had dates as an ingredient to them. I am confused – should I stay away from that recipe even if it is part of the book? Can anyone help clear this up?

Hi Matrika

“Eat potatoes & Don’t test your blood sugar!” That was honestly the ONLY advice I was or have been given by my dr! For three long years I’ve been in the type 2 wilderness. I’ve had to fight to get my eyes tested & my Hba1c once a year. I’ve changed surgeries & see a new dr, (who has lost 4 stone on 5:2 diet I’m told) in three weeks. Here’s hoping?

Don’t get mad get CHANGE!! I’m on a personal mission.
I want to see the advice to, information & therefore treatment of Type 2 Diabetics CHANGE!

You DON’T add fuel to a CARBOHYDRATE fire. We are burning!

I’m finding the people who make the decisions about all Type 2 Diabetics. It takes time, they are well hidden!
I also wanted ammunition , my BSD results. I (we) are living the reversed / controlling diabetic life. We DO have the resolve to CHANGE or lives. They declare we don’t. THEY don’t even want to give us the chance or support to try!!!

The ESTABLISHMENT have known about LOW CARBS & Type 2 Diabetes for a long time. The info is out there, lots of reading. It’s only now , with the £ cost to the WORLD & the out-of-control inexorable rise of Globa Type 2 Diabetes that they ‘care?’ ££££

I’ve more to do & will keep my powder dry until I’m ready to fire the whole arsenal not just a single salvo!
When I have all the names & contact info I’ll post it.
I’m away for 2 weeks, but it doesn’t matter. I’ve waited 3 years for this! I’m much older & diabetic wiser now.

I’ve learnt about Type 2 Diabetes the hard way. It’s their turn now.
Eureka

Hi Lachlan, Steve & Ei, – Firstly Bill experience a big increase in his BS in (I think) week 4ish. That was explained as the liver releasing a lot of sugar at once and as you said, the body taking time to catch-up and process it. It was back on track within the week. See his blog in the 800 – ‘this must work for me’. If you are about that stage, this is maybe what you are seeing?
However – just out of curiosity, is anyone correlating their BG levels with their exercise? I am on this plan as a preventative measure, FBS getting towards pre-diabetic range and obese. I am no longer obese, and the FBS has dropped to the low 5’s, occasionally going up to 5.6.
I am finished the 8 weeks and continuing for a couple more before going on holiday and coming back to start 5:2. The fact the FBS was sticking in the low 5’s has been puzzling me as I have been very conscientious about sticking to the plan and thought it may have gone lower, so I was wondering if I was actually in fat-burning mode at all. I got the infamous ketostix and did my first test Thursday evening – yes I am fat burning.
Friday morning the reading lower, but still fat-burning and the evening lower still. What puzzled me was the next morning it was back up to the higher fat-burning mode (good) – but the day before I had had more carbs than normal – 70g. My FBS was also 5.0, lowest for a couple of weeks. Go figure :-(.
However – I had also been out walking/standing all day on Friday as I was helping survey some archaeology. Most continuous non-sitting for a long while – only one data point, but I suspect that may be part of the explanation!
The body is an engine and many things play a part in how it responds. We are all concentrating on the foods we eat, but sometimes what is driving the changes can be elsewhere – have you had changed your exercise patterns, or had some emotional turmoil? Both will play a part.
Hopefully it gets back on track soon and it has been what Bill experienced, a massive sugar release from the liver.

Hi Odette, I have copied and pasted your info to include in the Information for new starters thread which a few of us are going to set up. I will acknowledge your contribution. Thanks, Judith

Hi Lallya. It works! Take some time to look through some of the threads, i.e 8 week line and after, weigh in etc. You will find lots of inspiring stories. Look at captainlynne’s 16 weeks and after. Look at captain lynne’s and Bill1954’s stories. Look at Neohdiver and lots more. There is a search icon on the top right hand side at the top of the page!

Welcome to the BSD way of life. Not everyone on here is diabetic!!! 🙂

4 days in and hoping it works .im not diabetic yet but weighing 97 kg at 5ft 2 I’m obese with a fatty liver and enlarged heart I’ve been disabled for 8 years and so the weights crept on , I’m unable to exercise but I’m determined to complete this diet and start s new healthier phase

Thanks hashimoto and captainlynne.

I am in Australia (why I went off with Diabetes Australia person on that program). 🙂

Yes, Prof Taylor is clearly also very gentle in responding to these blokes…he did manage to get in there however that the people who may NOT respond with reversal of diabetes (because of their genetic predispositions) may be 1%. These old blokes are willing to lunp most of the diabetic type 2 population into a basket and send us out to sea with a diagnosis that we are chronic… cause of THEIR laziness.

I guess it’s a 100th monkey thing. The numbers will get them in the end but what really gets me annoyed and upset is that people in the meantime are going blind and losing their kydneys unnecessarily because persons paid a truckload of money are too lazy or foolish to actually apply their minds to reading and absorbing the information they are paid to keep abreast of.

Hi hellybelly a thyroid check is never a bad thing. Diabetes and hypothyroidism are both diseases of the metabolic system.

I can’t remember how long you have been on this diet but Bill, Cherrianne and some others have experienced problems round about week 4/5.

🙂

Agree entirely Eureka. The Q&A needs to be fixed and we also need a way of identifying new info that could be added to it in the future.
I would like a separate chat area – not to stop the chat in the threads as it is useful, but to keep the threads to the topic and allow other chatter to go on elsewhere.

Almond butter says: 300g makes 4 portions, that seems to be 455 calories per portion not 110c for the whole breakfast recipe.
Where have I gone wrong?
ben

The hot milk was delicious but my experiment failed. My fasting bloods have been, 7.1, 6.0, 5.9, 6.9, 6.3, 6.9 and 6.7. But is that a good thing? During the day I am fine. Is my liver just cleansing itself of stored sugar.I will keep monitoring and hopefully I will reach the non diabetic range. I have also read a cheeky and funny article about low cal and not losing weight ( I have plateaued for a very long time), it said if you are not losing weight you are not in calorific deficit, no matter what excuse I use, even if I am so hungry, in order to lose weight I must create a deficit. As you lose weight your calories in and out change in order to keep the deficit up. This is obviously normal common sense advice that any child could tell me but i feel better after reading it and will look very closely at my portion sizes in future. ( I was nearly off to the docs to check my thyroid!!!)