Good morning all – and welcome ButterflyMoves.

Interesting lesson for me last night. Technically I slipped up for the first time. I had dinner at Wagamama and planned what I was going to eat meticulously before I went (yet again, thank you MyFitnessPal) so that it fitted into the BSD and my 800 kcal allowance. But I found myself so hungry that I chose to add an unplanned extra small plate of food and subsequently went over on my calories (by 300) and my carbs (by quite a way). And guess what? I went to bed starving, and I woke up starving. So on 800 kcal and under 50g carbs I feel fine, and on 1100 kcal and higher carbs I’m hungry. If this doesn’t show the ‘insulin thing’ at work then I don’t know what does. I’m not beating myself up over it but am quietly noting all this kind of stuff for future reference. Happily, I lost another 300g overnight on the scales <small victory dance>.. So one kg down, errr, only 29 to go….:)

Wishing everyone a successful day ahead!
Sarah, Dubai

Hanks98 …. i would like to add … if you are only 3 weeks in ….. i worry a bit that 3 weeks isn’t enough to solidify a new habit. That is another reason i would stay the course for a little while longer …. as long as you feel great, have energy, and feel happy and good about yourself and your plan.

Good on you, Mommy Teacher, Sherry! You’re off like a rocket. I’m starting today, October 5th, after reading the article in Woman’s World. Amazon says the book will ship in one to four weeks, so I’m winging it until it arrives. Fortunately I’ve found lots of good information here, and am adopting the 800 calorie approach.

I’m motivated in part by Dr. Mosley actually speaking the “C” words–CALORIES COUNT. In the course of my seven year odyssey I have been told on podcasts, read in books, and heard in interviews that provided we eat right there’s no need to count calories: satiety will cause us to naturally restrict calories, bringing about improved health and secondary weight loss. All I can say is, what is this word “satiety” they speak? My gauge must be broken because my tank always seems to be empty. Dr. Mosely offers a different approach and I’m excited to take this new direction. Calories count…what a novel approach, lol!

Hi Verano
Yes, I’m now on maintenance. Lost a total of 26kg in around 21 weeks and for the last month been on maintenance and stopped weighing, measuring and recording everything on the app.
I’m told I’m a maintenance loser as I’m still losing! Down another 2kg since then😀
My plans is to increase the calories and fats and still avoid the added refined sugars and simple carbs.
Keep losing!
Linda

Hi Hanks! If you feel that you have reached a comfortable weight for you personally, then try out a maintenance diet of 5:2 or 6:1 — I am seven months from start, three months into maintenance and I am finding I can enjoy a small amount of my favorite things, like beer and a small bit of pizza now and then — if you find you creep up in weight, then just go back to the 800 calorie days and it should fall off quickly. I am really enjoying this phase, I don’t have to count calories too carefully, just eat according to guidelines and I am holding steady or even losing a bit more. Work out for yourself what works — trial and error, keeping an eye on healthy eating, which is now second nature!

Hi Sneaky snooker
Indiana here. Just starting. 5 lbs off in last week. Older woman myself. Not quite at 800 calories each day but not going over 1000. Hunger is an issue but hanging on to get off meds.
Mommy Teacher, Sherry

A great big “Howdy, Y’all!” from Texas. 🙂 I’m not sure I’m in the right thread. I certainly qualify as an “older woman,” having just turned 69, and I’m definitely round enough, but I’m not diabetic. I’ve spent the past several hours reading your posts–celebrating with you, commiserating with you, cheering you on, shaking in my boots (Wellies?) with you, and I’d like to get to know you better. This is such an empowering, purposeful, joyous, supportive group, I’d really like to stay for the journey. As we say in the Lone Star State, “Herd ’em up…move ’em out!”

I wonder if you are like me …. it’s not that some of these foods aren’t available in Australia or Canada …. it’s that i have never used them or even looked for them.

Hey …. i used garlic for the first time last week.

When you’re single you just don’t cook that much …. i mean … i used to just have a steamed head of cauliflower with some browned butter and salt. If i wanted a baked potato … that was the whole meal. I usually just made 1 item.

I thought the recipes in the book somewhat exotic …. but they are just exotic to me.

I even didn’t really cook with beans and lentils …. and now i love them both too much.

Great result Hanks98,

Yes carry on BUT not on full time fast 800, at least for much longer! As Shalimar says, keep to the BSD principles in whichever way suits to maintain the benefits. If you want to loose a little more perhaps just try 5:2 or for maintainance 6:1, or stick to low carb med style diet and skip a few meals here and there etc. 8 weeks is typically how long it takes for fat to clear from the pancreas to reverse t2 in many people but you’re already there and so it’s now about refining how you’re going to do this for the long term.

Soup ….. if the ingredients are in a package i use the calories and carbs information on the package. I actually bought some extra measuring cups (smaller sizes so i can easily measure Cups of Millileters) I also have a cheap weighing machine (a small scale)

And if it’s like cauliflower ….. i check MyFatSecret ….. or just google the internet … as in

cauliflower calories carbs …..
corn fried catfish calories carbs ….
I also have a paperback book Diabetes Counter

I only count calories and carbs …. because that’s as much work as i want to do

I just tally up the totals of each ingrediant …. and i divide the big batch of soup by the number of plastic containers it goes in … so i have an approximate count per serving

I normally eat very similar things …. so if i have 3 eggs and 3 strips of bacon …. i just write that down on an index card of my diet journal (i put down what i have, counts, blood sugar readings, stressors, etc. … usually 1 page per day). Then i don’t have to recount the things i usually have.

I count it if i have cream in my coffee, honey in my tea, drink of wine ….. everything.

I wouldn’t worry too much about being exact … because i don’t really think that’s possible. I also don’t have a scale at home to weigh myself… i weigh in at the gym … but i don’t go every day.

Drink as much liquid as you can.

If you slip up …. just correct at the next meal or next day … If you can’t sleep cause you are too hungry … eat a little something.

This morning i had some large flake oatmeal with boiling water … a bit of honey … a bit of cream because i was hungry and nauseous ,,, even just a quarter cup of this only takes a couple of minutes … add cinnamon if you like.

I recently noticed that if i am overeating …. that something is upsetting me … so i need to acknowlege the upset and deal with the upset without resorting to food.
I recently retired … which is lovely … but i’m often wondering what i want my retirement life to be like. I have to fill my life with joy and energy …. i’m not entirely sure how to do that. The journey should be interesting though. I can only go to so many Clay Aiken concerts!!!
When i get over my sinus problem i am going to take the free Mindfulness course in this section here …. it’s something i’ve always been interested in and now i have the time. http://palousemindfulness.com/selfguidedMBSR_week0.html

Hi mauricem and all the fdoromls
From reading the forum…many try to limit the carbs to 50g. Some to less still. Others don’t. I would think from my snooping around the boards that the majority keep below 50g.

I use the my style app on my phone. And a wee pair of digital scales. It just makes it all a little more accurate and limited as I am chronically portion distortioned.
I didn’t drink enough today. I think because the colder weather has come it feels different gulping down fluid.
Had a bit of birthday cake tonight. Why?! But had been okay until that point. Bleugh. Anyway..on balance still a good 3 lowcal meals before the cake..so..could have been worse.
Back on it tomorrow. Every day is a challenge.
I watched the panorama thing on Monday night re diabesity. The gastric bands were put on a 4 week diet of 1000 cal prior to surgery.
When I was watching it..I was thinking..why can’t they do that..and keep going. And look at me!!!! I can barely get through a day without some cock up! These people were me probably 5 or 10 years ago.
Well I don’t want to be them in 5 or 10 years.
So come on tattiescone.
Put a bit of effort into it!
Sacrafice a bit. Change a bit. Try a bit harder and firmer.
Tattiescone

Wow, I just love how active this group is!

Now that I’ve decided to stick around and DO this thing, I’ll introduce myself.

Hi, I’m a 44 year old professional musician from regional Victoria, Australia. I discovered the BSD completely by accident (though I think it’s fate). I’m about 15kg (33 pounds) heavier than is ideal for someone of my frame and I’ve spent most of my life heavy. But watching my dad’s diabetes progress has scared the living sh*t out of me and I’ve decided that it is now time. Like really NOW. Like I feel completely different and ready.

I’ve been eating lower carb for a year, but then regularly binging on carbs and alcohol when I go on tour on weekends (which is most weekends). Interestingly, during that time I pretty much stayed the same weight, which amply demonstrates if I can stick to BSD and actually build some muscle I WILL lose weight and get my blood sugar under control.

That’s why I’ve decided to start the diet on a tour weekend. People are going to offer me wine and snacks all weekend, but this is where I get to change the paradigm.

Anyhow, apologies for the self indulgent rant. Now I’m going to go back to the beginning of the thread and read it all so I feel like I know you folk a little and I can contribute.

Thanks for sharing your support space! 🙂

Thank you Shalimar. I really want to keep going as I feel amazing and I’ve never looked so good. I have just had a few doubts as to whether I’ll be doing myself any harm by keep losing weight and body fat.

If you feel good …. why not keep going??? Do you want to have better than average BMI?

Are you happy eating to your plan?

I’d probably keep it up … keep testing your blood sugar …. for a few weeks just to make sure you are stable …. and then if you feel comfortable perhaps let the carbs and calories creep up a bit … while you keep testing.

You can always do a 5:2 plan …. where you do the 800 for 2 days and the Mediterannean low carb plan for 5 …. and keep testing your Blood Sugar, taking your measurements, weighing in …. and you can adjust your diet plan accordingly.

What makes you happy and feeling good??

Sunshine-girl- Really hoping you get to come off your meds soon, looks promising! Have you read the info under Resources; for professionals -as this recommends to stop Sulphonylureas such as glycazide at the beginning to reduce the risk of hypos.

Watched Panorama program last night and it was so sad that no-one on there seemed to know about low carb diets, yet were clearly depressed about dealing with the aftermath of chronic t2. Bariatric surgery may offer hope for some but there’s likely to be a lot of people that could manage a low carb diet instead if only they knew about it. It’s got to change and soon!
Also watched the fats vs carbs on iplayer. Made me smile when the doctor gave the follow up cholesterol figures- you could tell she really wasn’t expecting that! Hopefully that’s one more curious medic who may actually go and do some research for herself rather than blindly dishing out nhs current dietary advice!

Great job, Elisabeth45!

Day 7 today , I have managed a week !has been ok ,on a postive note I have lost 6 lbs really impressed feel motivated to continue .
Had a planned day out today so knew it would be difficult did really well no carbs then ended the day with crisps and chocolate .!, enjoyed them but will just move on and learn I can’t do moderation,don’t buy chocolate !, looking forward to week 2 .

That’s great, Meeshe42! What a great loss for one week. I am on Day 3, and it’s going well. I already can sleep better. I too have had insomnia and used to stay up till the wee hours of the morning and EAT! I hope to have a decent weight loss by the end of my first week. But I already feel better with less carbs in my body!

Next bit of the ‘new’ me today. I went to the optician to find out if I could wear contact lenses. I used to wear gas permeable ones years ago, but my eyes became very dry and I had to stop.

After she checked, I only need one contact lens – for distance. My other eye hardly needs any correction for reading. So I was sent out for a walk with the lens in. And I didn’t fall over! A practice taking it out, then putting one in and I came home with a free 14-day trial of soft contact lenses. 😃 Got to go back in 14 days to tell her if this suits me 😃 It will be well tested, because I have a few days away at a conference at the end of next week! Decided on daily disposables rather than monthly ones – just more convenient.

Needed something to give me a boost today. Yesterday someone was telling me I’ve lost too much weight 😱 She is 95 though! I happily told the group that I’d done it under medical supervision and am happily where the medics want me to be 😃

Hi All

So after my first week the carb brain fog which I tend to suffer from has disappeared. I also have not suffered insomnia which I do suffer from and my sleeping pattern is how it should be. I also am not experiencing afternoon slump.

The best bit I have lost 7lb! Or in metric 3kg which I am very happy about and although a percentage is water I can feel the good effects already.

I went out for dinner last night and had steak and salad with no dressing and it was delicious. One definite thing I am noticing is that food is much tastier! Previously I have had chip, lashing of mayonnaise and ketchup but I didn’t need it.

So heres to week two!

🙂

Thanks so much, Christie.
I have read Michaels book overnight & checked out the diet plan.
It seems to be based on foods very much available in the US. I am in Australia and am struggling a bit to find the alternatives without changing the nutrient content too much.
I love your soups idea – I’m not a great cook either.
How do you calculate protein, kj, etc when using a ‘ throw together soup’ ?
TIA
Deb

Hi everyone. I have to say how amazing this diet has been for me. I’m type 2 and three weeks in. However, I’m not really sure where I go from here. My BMI is now 21.9. My blood sugars are in the 4s (It was 6.3 a few months ago. My body fat is now 10.9 (normal range is 11-22) and I’ve been off Metformin for 2 weeks now. I’ve lost 2 inches round my waist but I’m 6’4, and now weigh 12’12. I had a 39 inch waist and it’s now 37 inches. I’ve lost over a stone in the 3 weeks I’ve been on this but should I keep going? It’s no good speaking to Drs as they don’t believe in what we’re doing. So do I keep going? Would be interested in your thoughts.

Evening all,

Thought I’d be ok today but when I went out shopping, I felt tired and my joints were sore. Came home hungry so had some blueberries to tide me over til dinner. Have been sleeping well tho.

Today’s meals:
Breakfast – scrambled eggs with tomatoes – made with 4g of butter!
Lunch – grilled mackerel with a green salad
Dinner – chicken & peppers in lettuce cups with a side of cucumbers – tasty like a fajita but without the tortilla, guacamole, salsa and sour cream haha.

Lettuce and cucumbers are my new best friends. Nite 🙂

Hehe Yowser, I’m rocking with laughter, you’re so funny hehehehe😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yes it is 2 hours Sunshine-girl. Good idea to get your husband to watch for any signs.

Tizzy is right that it would be better to let your blood glucose go a little higher to avoid a hypo with the added benefit of reduced fat storage.

I saw the Panorama programme tonight with husband. He has promised he won’t go on anymore that I have become obsessive about weighing everything. Shame it didn’t mention the BSD.

Josie53 …. the broken stove i have now is my sister’s old one … i had microwave only for the first 5 years in the house! 🙂

Just got back from the walk in doctor. She gave me a prescription for the sinus problem ….. and i briefly explained my BSD plans and that i wanted some liver and pancreas etc. tests done ….. and she’s sending me for some. Also got low dose bioidentical hormones.

She left my metformin prescription as 5 per day … 500 each pill. I told the pharmacist i was NO WAY taking that much metformin on an 800 calorie diet …. he probably thinks i can’t make the 800 calories!! LOL ….. but it makes no sense at all to take that much metformin … i used to eat 2000 to 3000 calories a day!!!

I’m sorry … but maybe not …. but i am going to test my blood sugars often and THAT number will be my guide. I don’t believe dietitions, doctors and nurses are up on current research. If i was sure that they knew what they were talking about things might be different …. but i don’t believe that they do …. so i really don’t let them bother me. That’s where my stubborness pays off.

I had it with cauliflower rice or you could do courgettie.

Debra, you get all your ingredients weighed put them into a calculator, there are lots on line, myfatsecret, myfitness pal, sparkpeople etc and it tell you. E.g. 1 carrrot = x calories and x carbs, 1 onion = x calories and x carbs etc until you have the full meal. It will come up with a total. If the soup is for 4 you divide by 4 to get your portion or whatever. If you say do a recipe for 6 and you make it for 2 you only use 1 third of the ingredients, total them then divide by 2. Simple maths once you have the calculator. If you have the book the calories are worked out for you but not the carbs and the recipe book the calories and the carbs are worked out. However, you still need to measure as recipes can be quite a way out and should only be used as a guide. You will get the hang of it. Tip, if you use the same recipe or meal over and over make a note of the calculation then you don’t have to do it every time. I have a folder with menu plans I have typed up over the weeks and I just look at a meal and I know immediately what it worked out at.

Good luck

Hi everyone. I’m not really sure where I go from here now. My BMI is 21.9. My blood sugars are in the 4s. My body fat is 10.9 (normal range is 11-22) and I’ve been off Metformin for 2 weeks now. I’ve lost 2 inches round my waist but I’m 6’4 and had a 39 inch waist. It’s now 37 inches. I’ve lost over a stone in the 3 weeks I’ve been on this but should I keep going? It’s no good speaking to Drs as they don’t believe in what we’re doing. So do I keep going?

AVILA on the fast day forum its known as OSI ..oh sod it..that combo of angry with self/ sorry for self and sabotaging things
Ive done it lots over the years…we’re only hoomin,but its not a nice feeling to have is it 😕😕😕😕
One thing tho,JAN is right,youre never alone on here..always someone around to empathise and offer a helping hand x
Maybe you set up too strict rules for Oct?try not to be too hard on yrself…
We all have areas where we dont do as well as we want..there you are,exercising so well and here i am consistently failing to do as much exercise as i could..i really admire the fact you do parkruns,walks with yr doggie etc x
And that 10% off yr weight will do wonders for yr health! 👍🏻

Hi, I am just starting this diet,after trying slimming world,terrible may i add! Anyway i love all the foods you can eat and the meal planner,but i am really unsure how to put a meal together myself? Dont get me wrong i know how to cook haha,but say if i made home made soup how would i work out the carbs? Ino the calories,but not the gi?,its very confusing please help anyone!
Thanks
Debra

Awww shucks JAN,i’ m glad someone thinks so 🙂🙂🙂 xx
G’night,sleep sweet Jan and everyone..its a tight squeeze on the back of the bus when we’re all trying to get a good kip!
No snoring! X

Avila – do you meditate at all? I wonder if a meditation to do with irritable feelings might work for you. There is one is about 15 mins long on palouse mindfulness dot come (soften soothe allow). Might be worth a try …

Be gentle to yourself, and kind. I know my own self-destruct button will be pressed as soon as I see positive results. Who knows why? Not me.

Have a good day tomorrow. Babysteps.

Yowser you are such a darling. 🚌🚌🚌🚌🚌🚌

Husband and I started the diet on the 1st August.

All going well, trying to be organised and have done a meal plan and the shopping to go with it.
My question is. We are having Lamb Tagine tomorrow (Thursday) but having had quinoa this week and not liking it
do you know what we could have instead please?

Great news Didimarks. You’re still here. Is there anything the more experienced on here can help you with. You know you just have to ask. There is a lot of experience and advice available from the long termers as you have no doubt read. Ask away, what are you eating? Are you exercising? Are you eating enough fat and protein? Are you drinking enough water? All these things I am learning from the posts on here. It is difficult adjusting, BUT YOU ARE STILL HERE, fantastic. We can do this together xx

So sorry JAN..no wonder you need some comfort food,my dear chum x
Isnt the fage with berries and nuts like a lovely Cornetto..delicious …
I bought the tesco finest greek yog coz someone recommended it but will swerve it in future as its higher in cals n carbs than the Fage
Ive been really good so far keeping within 800 cals/ 50g carbs but i havent had any big stresses to deal with recently.
Sending you some big hugs xxxxxx we’ll have to have a singsong at the back of the bus to give you a laugh xxx

Thanks Adelski and Yowzer49 – I did do it! *feeling mildly proud*

my son is 8 now and I find it hard to keep up with him in the playground….not for much longer 🙂

Old Cyclist – that sounds like a great result already!

Right Avila

You aren’t home alone, we are with you, I’m the same I finished the eight weeks on a high, and went weirdo for a few weeks, and struggled to get back on the bus, but I did this week and have lost 1.2 k so far this week, it just needs planning, and I’ve found committing to veranos reboot thread on here good as well you can do it . Jump back on the bus, don’t worry about today, as tomorrow’s a new start.

Keep us posted. 😊

AFTER DAY 21

Weight: 72.3 kg
Steps : 12,540

Still going, with ups and downs but mostly “downs” on the scales. Looking forward to breaking through the 70 kg barrier, it’s my mini goal. Big goal is 60 kg. No, that won’t be too thin, I’m a shortie.😋

Started last Thursday and down 5 pounds and 3/4 inch off the waist. I didn’t expect that much as I was doing intermittent fasting a couple days a week. Most significant is my fasting blood sugar has gone from 110 to 92. I saw my Doctor yesterday and thankfully he is on board, saying people wouldn’t need Bari artic surgery if they would just go on the diet. I’ve found nice crunchy pickles helpful for those late night cravings.

Everyone is very welcome to post what they like in here 😊 it is simply a convenient place to log my own journey, but company on that journey is very beneficial, particularly during any bad days I may have, or if I can offer any advice or support to my fellow 3rd October starters.

Chicken again for lunch, with sugar snap peas and spinach and some houmous. Protein shake again for tea, as two badminton sessions today. Also had a miso soup at 12:00pm, and a tomato juice and tabasco sauce smoothie made into a long drink with sparkling water in the evening, very refreshing after all that exercise.

Chicken and mushroom pie was delish. Will certainly be making that again.

Ruby – eggs are only around 70 cal. per, hummus is around 120 cal for 57g, and 52 cal for 1 cup chopped carrots, so you’re doing better than you think! Especially as they are all “good” choices! Don’t be too hard on yourself, change doesn’t happen overnight 🙂

Deb

Hi Yowser luvvy.

Just had your recommended fage, berries and chopped nuts, needed some comfort food.. No unfortunately, things are getting worse, but my eating I am doing my best to control, have lost 1.2 kg so far this week, so that’s good.

Yes it does seem to have been a long time, and yes I have just completed week 13 total loss so far 17.26 kilo, but I messed around for about 6 of those weeks. But hey I’m not perfect.
How about you.
😊

Tizzie, that is what I intend to do. I have dropped another unit tonight and if I am still low i.e. under 4 tomorrow morning I will only take 1 Glycazide. My pre-dinner number tonight was 4.8 which I am okay with. It has only been 2 days under 4 so early days yet. As I am not on a massive dose and I have taken up to 40 units in the past, I don’t think I will be overdosing at 24.

I have told my husband to watch for any signs and I am checking myself 3 times a day. Does anyone know what the time scale is for checking after a meal to see if b/g has gone back to pre-meal numbers. I have 2 hours in my mind but not sure.

Yea Apatch you did it!!! Well done😄
Thanks Randam for the heads up on the curry – looking forward to it already.
Victorir , I commend you as your daughter is still only young, my son will be 10 in December and I’m still using that for my excuse haha ….. Until now 😜
Good luck everyone!! hope the scales are kind to you all in the morning xxxx

I’m on day 3 , and it’s been hard, I’m trying to plan ahead especially as I have 3 night shifts coming up.
I have already noticed my chin isn’t quite as “double ” , as before, my belly fat feels less , but I haven’t measured it, , and my sides seem a bit slimmer, I have a horrible fat tummy, , an apron in fact, which I am hoping to loose. , good luck everyone 😊

Great day today with no headaches thankfully and lots of energy… maybe I’m over the carbs??

Today I ate:

Breakfast: Middle Eastern (cottage cheese with cucumber, tomatoes, smoked paprika – odd for breakfast but lovely and fresh tasting)
Lunch: Warm halloumi salad – a complete winner.
Dinner: Spicy chicken with lentils – again absolutely gorgeous and quick as I used tinned lentils.

I am so enjoying getting out of the food rut I was in and cooking with enthusiasm again!

Loving all of your posts. You are all an inspiration to me!

Hi everyone,
WEll I have been on this diet for almost a week and I am surprised at the strange effect this has had on my body. I started out with severe headaches followed by constant *peeing*! Weird aches and pains throughout my body and leg cramps. Oh and tiredness. The tiredness has now ended and I am feeling a little more energetic. One good side effect has been the lack of hunger. I was worried about feeling hungry at 10:30 at work and was worried about what to eat but I haven’t been hungry. Considering I eat my yogurt and and berries at 6 am I think it’s all good. Will this lack of hunger continue or with my body normalize as time goes on?

ZIggy🙂