Thank you Julia👍

Hi Bombalone,

I know that I can be very obsessive about weighing myself. I have tried the BSD before and did weigh regularly. When I didn’t lose I ate to console myself. I’m trying it differently this time. So far so good. It certainly wouldn’t work for everyone though.

Funny you should ask if I still feel hungry. Was thinking just half an hour ago that is the first day that I haven’t been so hungry.

I do feel lighter, less bloated and more confident.

I’m still thinking about carbs though and have just posted on another thread asking some experienced BSDers when these cravings may subside.

Hoping they stop soon.

Enjoy your lunch tomorrow. I’ll be interested as to how you get on. I haven’t had to experience a meal out/family outing in the past 8 days.
You’ll make the right choices!!

Hi Way of life

At the end of the 8 weeks eh?! wow that’s hardcore! I’m impressed. You are so patient!

Have had a good day thank you. Feeling in control. Not feeling too hungry although early evening a bit tricky. Drinking far too much tea!

Tomorrow will be a challenge as going out to a family lunch. Not only a food/drink challenge but general “so what diet are you doing NOW jokes”. Deep breaths.

Do you get hungry still on day 8? My hunger is much less but still popping up occasionally.

Thanks orchid. I’m going to check the gram flour out. Thanks for the seaweed suggestion, I finally bought some.

I have a starting weight and will look forward to standing on the scale in 7 weeks.

My clothes feel looser and I feel more confident.
Such a long way to go, but it has to be a day at a time. In fact, a couple of days ago it was one meal at a time.

Thanks for your advice.

Hello

Hope you don’t mind me dropping in on this thread. There are clearly some very experience BSDers on here.

I’m only 8 days in. Just wondering when the carb cravings may stop? I’ve read so many posts where people have said that they no longer crave the carbs. Am so looking forward to that. Thanks

Hi Way of life – the itsu seaweeds are great aren’t they 🙂

Glad you are feeling better. Don’t worry about scales for now, so long as you have a starting weight for later comparison. If you feel better, you may start noticing more energy – less likely to fall asleep in front of the telly; better sleep patterns, and probably the first thing – clothes are a bit looser – even watch straps can go one hole tighter. All are good indicators.

Another thing to explore if you have not already – gram flour. There are recipes in the recipe section for gram flower wraps that are good – add into it what you want and because they are chickpea based they are higher protein. They take a bit of organising to make – you need to leave mixture to stand for a few hours, and I always get 8 not 10-12 out of the mixture – so a higher carb that I expected (I have to cut in half) – but they can also be used as a pizza base for a change.

There is a free app called Shopping List Generator which you can load your own recipes and meal planner on. You can keep it private for yourself, share with friends or public. I haven’t quite been able to get it working for me yet, but I also don’t have a very high patience threshold. 🙂

Hi Bombalone

I’ll weigh myself at the end of 8 weeks.

Day 8 today and feel good 🙂

Have u had a good day?

Hello plant powered poll

Happy reading. Look forward to hearing about how you get on.

Day 8 was positive for me.
Discovered Itsu crispy seaweed. Low carb, high protein. Try them.
Feeling more confident.

Hope everyone else had a good day.

Fantastic results, tigs and Lara. I am on BMI 25 as well today, so snap. I feel the same, happy and healthy and why on earth did it take me so long to get here?

sunshine-girl you are such an awesome cheer leader! Thanks for all of the encouragement you are spreading around. AND back at you congrats for all of your wins, keep on for that .25 🙂

Lara, woohoo100 days! This WOE truly does have has in a good space.

OiMadam, impressed you are one up on your cat haha.

Daisiesmum, trust you had a fine Saturday!

topcac, you are truly inspiring with how active you are. It must feel fantastic and set you up for such a good day. Loving the positive pants and I’m putting them on today too 🙂

congratulations tigs on reaching your BMI of 25, I have a way to go, and also to Lara for completing 100 days. We can stick at this and keep on keeping on…

G’day, thanks for that. If you are willing to share the spreadsheet it would help me with what I am building which I would then happily send you a copy of.
Thanks

Good morning all – today marks my 100th day on the BSD! Feeling happy and healthy, love this new life 🙂

Thanks so much for the tip! I’ve hunted down the keto x calculator – at least I’ll have an idea of what to aim for now when logging stuff on MFP.

Going to spend the rest of this evening meal planning. Being prepared is half the battle.

My biggest issue is the office ‘cake culture’ need a plan of action for that too xx

Hello all. Cooler, windier and wetter weather here in NZ too and it’s meant to be summer!

Reached a new goal at 68kg and bang on BMI of 25. It’s been 10 years since I have been here and cannot fathom why it has taken me this long haha. So round 2 of BSD with New Year start, first week was 0.6kg down and this (2nd) week 2.8kg – that included three days of the 14 where I lost my way from mid afternoon. Total 13.1kg off since started BSD late September. Waist another cm off at 84 with a total of 14cm off.

I am not that active and need to be. Joining pilates this week as need to focus on strength.

Keep strong xx

Thanks J-M the fiver is in the post

I had to drop some stuff with my mum. Instead of taking the car as I usually would, I walked. Sunny day and birds were chattering. Then I wanted to get 2 pillar candles from the supermarket – so I decided to run there and back. Looked at bit of a numpty with one candle in my hand and one in my running pouch. (I could almost hear people asking themselves why I was out jogging in lycra with a huge candle in my hand!) But who cares what it looks like? It’s getting me more active. Pouring rain tomorrow so thought I’d better get some extra steps in!
Have a good day tomorrow everyone.
Julia

Hi Angela,

Fortunately the visit is postponed to earlier March so hopefully the weather should have turned and I met get to eat outside (my one true measure of being somewhere warm!)

I think that you’re absolutely right – we should never give in and “go gentle into that good night”.

We have choices over our own health and as long as we’re happy to live with any consequences then we should not be shy at explaining to our doctors what we intend to do.

I suppose what I really thought was by accepting the label and tablets, the path for my future through the GP felt like giving in to diabetes.

Natalie, this will probably make you itch but I’m writing this sitting cosy in front of a log fire. Bliss.

JulesM. There’s the possibility of snow next week right down to the coast. Hopefully it will go away.

I have never really been mainstream re clothes sizes as I’m all out of proportion, too big on top so clothes never really fitted. I’ll be happy to be back in a size 14, would never dare aspire to a 12 but who knows. It’ll be nice to have a choice at any rate. What I really wish is that this WOE had been around when I was younger.

We too have a pool. It’s a huge bonus in the summer and Natalie, good luck with yours. Given Australian summer temperatures, I expect it’s pretty well a necessity there. However, Janet, I sympathise with the maintenance issues. We need to resurface ours but it will have to wait…

Janet re the BSD you flatter me, truly. I’m two steps forward, one back. I try to stay within the guidelines but usually end up eating too many nuts, too much cheese, have too much cream in my coffee etc. I’m just really happy that somehow I feel more alive and that my last blood test seemed OK (except for the cholestrol…that would be the cheese)

My peak for Saturday is a goody…my daughter left half a chocolate cake in my kitchen with instructions for us to help ourselves. I pretty well forgot it was there…now that’s progress. Three months ago I would have inhaled it all..

The pit..exercise, or rather lack of it…again. Did a bit of garden tidying, house cleaning but nothing that caused me to break a sweat.

Have a pleasant Sunday everyone…and how nice to have a long weekend, Janet.

PS What a fabulous trip round this part of Europe. What was the high point?

Hi All
I’m doing this very slowly, but have lost all the extra Christmas weight (hurrah!!) and am about to go into the next stone down. This works so well when you stick at it, why do some of us jump off the wagon ??
Also, reading other threads, I just wanted to say to Jules Maigret how much I enjoy reading your posts, sensible, funny and interesting. You are doing so well, another inspiration.
I don’t write much but love reading everyone’s news. Thanks Guys.
Andi xx

Sunshine-girl

Best post on this forum.

Nuff said.

Can anyone tell me how to store the cloud bread and how long does it keep please? My husband is going to try and make it for me
Thank you
Val

Language is a curious and a fascinating thing.

I learned Welsh as an adult and was pleased by the grammar that says ‘a cold has come on me’ rather than ‘having’ a cold – it conjured for me the idea that such a thing is a temporary invasion, not something to be ‘owned’. But then a headache is different as my head is permanently attached and so the ache is a description of the state of my head. So it is grammar based not ideology.

The same goes for English usage – traditionally some conditions are used as adjectives and others never are. I understand the resistance to labels that seem to make the condition a defining aspect of people, but I do think it is an accident of grammar rather than intention.

It applies to being ‘a diabetic’ or ‘being bipolar’ rather than having whatever. But whatever medical issues we face, or whatever job we have, or whatever [insert topic here] we are not defined by just one part of our lives. Language can make it feel like that, but as long as the users of the language can see wider than the grammar, then we need not see it as a defining label.

Work on your health – don’t worry about the language.

Saturday,
The weather hasn’t gone as crazy as expected so able to get out and about.
Keeping moving , keeping busy so I dont always want to eat.

Bought a bird feeder, seed and mealworms.

Hoping to have a few visitors tomorrow, but in the meantime, working on my steps.

Keep busy, keep moving, keep happy.

Love Lucia
Xxx

Hi, also starting hopefully this monday 🙂 – Lydia x

Some do, mine does now, most don’t. There has been much discussion about why they are still using the traditional methods which we know (or think we know) to be wrong. But note my hesitation, this diet has not been proven, the research is not yet finished so doctors, nurses and nutritionists cannot go recommended any old rubbish that might have been published. There are lots of other diet similar to this which I would totally disagree with because they emphasise other aspect but might still have some value. Prof. Taylor will publish his results around 2018 or 19, not sure but even then it will not filter down to the medical profession for years. It is up to us as individuals to decide if we want to trust in this and follow this patch. It is working for me and that is what counts right now. We might find in 20 years that this causes serious side effects. Be it on our own heads, the doctors have their rules.

Glad you are determined, that’s what this needs as it is not easy but I becomes easier and I couldn’t imagine eating any other way.

Thank you for your reply, it’s reassuring. One wonders whether GPs actually read blood sugar diet book or even know about ‘fixing Dad’, I am so determined and I wish you well with your journey too.

JulesMaigret~ Hope your trip to the South of France goes well this coming week! What I’ve always enjoyed about staying in hotels in Europe is that the breakfast buffet often has delicious low carb foods such as salad, smoked salmon, sausage, cheese, nuts and so on. Okay so not always low calorie but at least low carb. Here in the states it seems there are always high carb foods such as cereal, pancakes, waffles, donuts, rolls, yogurt with sugary fruit and so on.

Natalie~ I’ll look forward to visiting Australia one of these days knowing I might fit into some of the clothes when I go shopping! Shopping is a very favorite pastime of mine! How fun to go swimming . . .and with the dog. . .! I keep forgetting it’s summer there. I hope your new pool gets finished soon. We have a pool and this coming summer are probably going to be renovating it. The grout is starting to fall apart! It’s a 15 year old pool and not sure why it would already need new grout. Maybe it’s because of the excessive summer heat in our area.

Angela~Sounds like you’ve gotten fairly used to fasting for 16 or so hours. During the work week, I get up at 3:30 am and leave the house at 4:30 am. I arrive at Starbuck’s at 5 am and have coffee with half and half. Recently before starting the BSD, I used to eat a breakfast sandwich and now I don’t eat anything.
I arrive at work at 6 am and usually eat something about 9:45 am- usually some fage yogurt or a piece of chicken (in between counseling appointments). Then I eat lunch around 11:45 am-vegetable chicken soup or salad with chicken (in between counseling appointments). I arrive home about 2:45 pm and that is when I am the most hungry and wanting to eat. This is when I want nuts or cheese and it is easy to over do it! Funny! I have tried to eat more at lunch to try to not be so hungry when I get home, but it hasn’t worked. I think it is just my time of the day where I want food. I find if I do my exercise at this time, it helps a lot! About 6:30 pm, I eat a small dinner–salad or vegetable and meat. I don’t often snack after dinner!
Years ago, when I was at my highest weight, I’d start the morning out with 2 chocolate old fashion donuts chased down with a diet coke . For lunch I’d eat some kind of fast food or if I was doing well, I’d have a Lean Cuisine frozen meal. Always drank a lot of diet coke with meals and in between meals.
Then of course there would be cookies or candy somewhere during the day, followed by a small dinner. I wasn’t very hungry by the end of the day. It is no wonder I weighed so much! I ate terribly!!! The only thing I was doing right was the exercise.
A couple years ago, I went for an entire year without having any cakes, pies, cookies, candy and so on (things with refined sugar). I didn’t lose any weight but I didn’t gain any weight either during that year. I also had spent some time following the paleo diet and had some weight loss success.
So I think those two ways of eating prepared me for knowing I’d be able to follow the BSD way of eating.
Angela, you sound like you are doing really well with both your diet and exercise. How long have you been following the BSD? I like your approach–not having to lose weight too quickly–seems to be working for you. And it seems like you are losing weight consistently! So nice.

You asked about our trip to the South of France–We took our kids on a 21 day trip (their first trip to Europe) when our oldest child–our daughter had graduated from college and our son was a 17 year old high school student. We flew into Paris and stayed a few days, then took the train to Marseille and rented a car. From there we drove up the coast of France and into Italy. We stayed at different places along the way. In Italy we stayed two nights in Cinque Terra and then drove to Florence. We took the train to Rome and returned to Florence. Then we took a train to Venice. From Venice we took an overnight train back to Paris and flew home from there. It was a great trip!

I am very tempted to delete almost everything I’d typed above as I have rambled on and it is most likely very boring for others to read, but I think I’ll just keep it there as it’s good for me to be able to look back and remember where I’ve been and where I am now.

Angela, sorry to hear your mum passed away! My dad died 6 years old and my mom has been alone since then. She is now 81 and slowing down and getting frail. Hopefully you will get a chance to get together with your siblings one day soon.

PEAK: I’ve started going through my closet and getting clothes that no longer fit ready to be taken to the donation station. It feels great to clear things out and keep only those things that truly fit.

PIT: The Christmas decorations are still in the dining room waiting to be wrapped in bubble wrap and put away. This will be my goal for the weekend. We have Martin Luther King Jr. holiday on Monday so I don’t have to go back to work until Tuesday! Yay!

Good for you. I know that feeling, signed on with a new doctor, sent me for full blood works, came back he said ‘why didn’t you say you were diabetic’, me ‘but I’m not’, him ‘oh yes you are’. Yes, I cried. I was started on metformin with no discussion of diet or exercise, BG way too high at 11.2, must take meds. 6 months later after constant diarrhea, doctor ‘think you should take insulin it bypasses the stomach and is so easy to take’. Sat with the needle pen in my hand, frozen for nearly an hour before I had the courage to do my first jab and I cried, not because of the pain, because of the reality of the illness, now it is second nature but I still cry because of the futility. 11 years later 4 stone heavier and blood glucose getting worse so here I am. Don’t go down that route.

They still pedal the same bottom like, lifestyle changes but have no idea what, exercise (do be careful you might drop down in a coma) diet (eat lots of carbs or you might drop down in a coma), end of life problems, heart disease, stroke, gangrene, blindness, caused by not enough exercise and too many carbs, vicious circle. Fortunately we have changed the prognosis (projected outcomes) of diabetes and it is not a life sentence any more. Even if it is we have only found a way of limiting the problems relating to it and can reduce the amount of medication upon medication we take.

About the label. I hate being told – you are a diabetic – I read somewhere that when you have a heart attack they don’t say ‘oh I hear you are a cardiac’, on a lighter note, when you are diagnosed with haemarrhoids they don’t say ‘oh by the way you are a haemarrhoid’. No I am not a diabetic, I am a person with diabetes….. But not for much longer.

At a routine check for blood pressure, I casually asked if I can be tested for diabetes (my dad was stg 2). Why? I was asked, well I nod off after dinner quite easily and as my thyroid meds have been checked and are ok, I wondered why. (It can’t just be the boring to programs surely?)
Yes, you can have a HbA1c test done now, – fine thanks.
Fast forward 2 weeks, BP still a bit high and I receive a letter asking me to make a 30 min diabetic appt with the nurse.
Fast forward another 2 weeks (first available appt). ‘Hello, so how long have you been a diabetic?’ I am asked, ‘about 10 seconds’ is my shocked reply. (Tears from eyes at suprise). Well my results put me dead on the line, 6.5 per cent and 48mmol , so now I am labelled a diabetic
I noticed the nurse had a copy of Dr Mosley’s book, ‘have you read that’ I asked ‘not all, just started it’ well I’ve read it twice. Enter harassed GP who I’ve never seen before, ‘oh, you’ve had a shock, we can get you on metformin, starting with one the two tablets’ vague mentions of lifestyle changes etc. I asked what would you do?, ‘take the tablets’ was the reply, ‘it will protect your heart and help with END of LIFE condition’ ‘ We can give you blood pressure tablets too’ -thanks for that.
Exit surgery- more tears, then ANGER! I don’t want to be a diabetic. (FYI I am 10.7lbs 5’5 tall bmi 24.5 maybe a TOFI?)
I collect my tablets, go home and read Michaels book again, I decided I believe in him and his research etc I already take statins, thyroid meds so really don’t want to add BP and metformin to that. (Incidentally I read metformin can interfere with thyroid meds)
So, I told them I am giving this blood sugar diet a good try, I am 2 weeks in, blood pressure coming down a bit and I am going to stick to this. After being told by the nurse ‘you will always be a diabetic now’, I would like when I am allowed a retest after 3months that it is good news. If not I will take those ****** tablets but I’m not going to let them label me, not without a fight!
Am I doing the right thing? Watch this space.

Hello again fellow 4-weekers. How are you all diddling?
Still have a little snow here in parts and it’s as chilly as a snowman’s …. nose! On the plus side, freezy cold weather encourages faster walking so that is good.
I have managed to lose 4lbs this week and am now back to my pre-Christmas weight. So, for the last two weeks I have managed to lose more weight than my cat. He beat me in the first week of Jan. I’m on a roll now – 2:1 to me, cat!
So onwards and upwards (emotion-wise) and forward and downwards (weight wise).
Have a great day everyone. X

Lost another quarter of a pound. No I dont weigh myself in quarters, I’m not that sad, I use kilos so 0.4 is about quarter of a pound. So I have lost 4.25 lbs since 2 Wednesdays ago with a goal of losing 4.5, drat, nearly there.

Everything else is fine, in fact everything is wonderful. I am feeling much better and had a bit of a pamper this morning, shower, hair wash, epilated my legs and bikini in time for swimming next week. Won €7.20 on the Euro Lottery, just received a tax refund from the French authorities of €600, just moved my UK tax allowance to my husband saving £17 per month. Im not money orientated but living on a pension, every little helps and it just all seemed to happen today. Not only that but the sun is shining although it is still cold here in France (12 degrees) we are set for -9 next week but no snow forecast, too cold to snow. Never did understand that.

Have a good day everyone and a good weekend.

Hi Toby, the way I understand it, if you are not diabetic (but pre) you don’t have to worry about going low as the effect it has on you is not the same, just like a non diabetic going high for a few hours after eating a great big yummy chocolate cake (sorry got carried away there). Your body deals with it naturally. What might happen is that you save yourself from becoming diabetic by keeping it generally low. If you feel it has gone too low just have a snack of something healthy. What is happening with you is natural and the only bad effect is you could faint but basically it is because you are hungry (5 hours is a long gap). I know I should look at which topic area you are posting in i.e. BSD, Fast800, 5:2 etc. If you are doing the full BSD maybe it is not necessary to be quite so strict and you could do the Mediterranean or the 5:2 just to keep your BG in check.

Pre-diabetes is a warning that you should change your way of eating, it is not a diabetes diagnosis. You are so lucky to have had it flagged before real problems occur. Good luck.

Thank you for that donnyman, I seem to be ignorant of any more than 3 so can you enlighten me as to what they are. I do know about Insulin Dependent or Mellitus or Type 1 so you could call that 2 types, Diabetes Type 2 is Mellitus but can also be MODY (mature onset) or LADA (latent immune diabetes) but they are still technically Type 2 just start at different times with possibly slightly different causes and Type 3 which comes about from brain damage but, again, technically it is still Type 2 just caused by something different. So that being the case you are probably right but they are still 1, 2 and Gestational with variations.

Maybe I should have said their are 3 MAIN types of diabetes.

No worries…I just assumed it ws my computer!

It was a stressful morning! Sorry for the panic, we could have turned off SSL and the warning would have gone away but the traffic wouldn’t have been encrypted. So we opted to keep everything safe and encrypted and ride out the warning.

Thanks for understanding. 😊

There are more than 3 types of diabetes!

One of the reason for starting this diet is that I was told I had pre-diabetic blood sugar levels.

Almost two weeks in I have tested myself and am at 60 mg/dl. After not eating for 5 hours.

Obviously I am pleased with drop in blood sugar but should I be concerned this is now too low (I understand normal range starts at 70)?

Me, me, me!

I love it! Sea bream for lunch.

Sorry, I’ll get my coat……

Flax seeds, chia seeds and walnuts are higher in omega 3 than salmon or mackerel. Who needs fish.

You can buy peeled quails’ eggs in Waitrose

Hi Candoit
Good for you on the no-drinking alcohol front. A lovely glass of red is what I am missing most.
On the BSD and exercise front hope the following is useful:
I am into a second stint of BSD800 and last year lost loads while continuing to run (albeit I’m not very fast).
I am 2 weeks in this time round and have done 50 miles this year, a mix of walks and runs. 10k run yesterday morning before breakfast no problem. This year 5 kilos lost so far. So it works with exercise – but works faster if keeping carbs below or around 50g per day. My body has clearly learned to burn fat not carbs, yours might take a little while to adapt to burning fat. Lowering the carbs means more room for protein and fat.
All the best!
Julia

As usual it depends on your actual build and lifestyle. I don’t have the link to hand but Google the keto calculator by Martin Ankerl and input your height, weight and activity status. Then the 50 grams into the carbs. It will give you a min and max level for protein next, select something near the lower end but not the minimum, 800 calories isn’t a lot, finally input whatever fat target brings the total for the day to 800 calories. It is a good idea to redo this every couple of weeks on this diet as your weight will probably change quite fast compared to a conventional low carb diet. My 800 figures at the start were 50g carbs 68g protein and about 35g fat if I remember correctly.

Zinnia, quails eggs are a bugger to peel so take care but they do give it something special. Just found another recipe make a meatball mix (mince, sautéed onion and garlic, egg, tomato puree and any spices you want) put into a cake or muffin tray, top with some tomato sauce of your choice and bake in oven for 20 mins. I think the beauty of these recipes is that they are so simple and things we cook all the time but when you make them miniature they are so cute for picnics or party nibbles. A change from sausage rolls and meat pies and crisps.

I hear ya Dreamscometrue!
I am also a teacher that doesn’t have diabetes but similar bad habits. Teaching is so draining mentally that the bottle was an easy and quick release.
I am following the 800 6 days and giving myself 1 1500 day. Not touching booze though as I was worried it was too much a part of my life. I am aiming for addiction free of all crap.
We start back after the summer holidays in two weeks and I have a year 11 and 12 heavy load. I really need to be on my game.
I have now done 2 alcohol free week but only 1 BSD week.
I lost 3 kilos fairly quickly but not much since.
I am thinking it may be because I have added a gruelling exercise plan every second day but really not sure.
Does anyone know anything about exercise and weight lose?

Hello:-)
Have a lovely day with your friends Carb_Addict.
Wendy 1947 Hope the scales are your friends on weigh day.
Lovely to see you Miss Ziggy.

News from me…..rather a stressful week and will be pleased to see the back of the next week or two:-(

Right, weigh day for me today.

1.10.16 – 114.2
7.1.17 – 100.2
14.1.17 – 98.9

Delighted to say I am now in the Obese and not the Very Obsese BMI.

One very happy bunny Fairyface.
Oh and I have a top on that has looked awful when I last tried it on.

Correction: He has made a spreadsheet. We write down on the meal planner…….
Sorry for the bad grammar.:-/