Me too!!!! Hope you’re having a good time …. shopping is always good!!!

Will be starting tomorrow…the question I have is, are we supposed to count our carbohydrates?

Hi Sarah

I use Fatsecret uk which us very flexible and has lots of uk supermarket items. Can use an app or pc.

Good luck!

you should read it, very interesting. It was too long to copy and paste but worth a look, especially the ‘plate’ advice then and now.

sunshine-girl, YOU posted that report, hadn’t come across the organisation you mention before:

“the Public Health Collaboration on Healthy Eating Guidelines and Weight Loss for the United Kingdom. The site is phcuk.org, an official government site for public health”

Neither had OH, who is an inveterate google researcher of everything to do with diet, and was very pleased to be forwarded what you quoted.

Igorasusual, I see you have read the same report. Your question about why was the same stringency not placed on the advice to eat low fat. I think the answer is in the years, 1930 and 40’s research was so limited and governments listened to the so called experts without much to back it. Same as the evidence that low cal diets cause the body to shut down and stop losing weight taken from the 1946 study into men returning from concentration camps who were already so thin and their bodies had shut down. To prove that low calories led to quick fat return they fed them on high carb diets, so 2 birds with one stone. Conclusion low cal is bad, high carb is good. Then we have the low fat brigade coming in as I have already mentioned.

What you say about the food industry is also true. They have a big influence on what we eat and what we are told is good for us. Plus they have the government in their pockets.

You are never anything but spot on, Lucia….. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Too graphic or just funny…

Or have you been there?

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Oh,
Also, putting tights on.

You know when you actually get one leg on, up to your knee
and you can’t quite get the other leg into the waist band and down the other leg without rolling about on the bed?

I now roll both legs of the tights up,
Bend over, put both lots of toes in,
Hitch the heels on,
Then pull the tights to the knees.

I still have to wriggle to get the thighs and derrière into the tights.

When I had more blubber, the tights seem to roll down over my big belly, so the waist band was like a hipster.

This caused the legs to slide down,
So when the undercarriage part ( I don’t like the word gusset) got down to my knees,
I had to take shorter steps.

It was bliss going for a tinkle and hitching them all the way back up,
It was like having a facelift
Xxxxx

Love lucia

How are you looking at MFP, Sarah?

On my computer I can see the whole nutritional breakdown of everything, but on my phone I have to turn it sideways (on the food diary page) and then you can see how many carbs, fat, protein, sodium, sugar etc etc and get a total per meal and per day.

Hope that helps! It took me some time to realise that….. 😉

No, no, sunshine-girl, I think I’ve confused the issue without meaning to. Sorry folks.

I think that when you deal with nutritional advice to large populations, it is right to have good research to back up what you say and what you recommend. The Newcastle and other research is now coming to some very helpful conclusions about reducing refined carbs, and the benefits of low carbs to assist swift weight reduction, with consequent benefits on health in general and diabetic tendencies in particular. We are increasingly seeing this in terms of recommendations for Mediterranean diets.

I feel that it doesn’t help that doctors have extremely limited education on nutritional matters, and in addition have extremely limited time to spend with patients advising them. You only have to talk to friends and relations to get the ‘what, no bread!!!! what no potatoes!!! I could never do that…..” reaction. And of course, depending on what your diet has been, removing these refined carbs may make you feel a bit ill to start off with.

In addition, the cynical may point out (with some justification) that there may also be huge pressure from the food industry not to make changes to the ‘5 a day, low fat’ mantra we’ve all been living with. Let alone the ‘carbs with every meal’ Diabetic nurses’ lectures.

I simply jumped in to the discussion to add how frustrating it was that the advice about low-fat was not subjected to the same rigour.

In terms of buying everyone MMs book, we can all do our bit to demonstrate our own experience, and also quote what you yourself said in your reply to Theone on another thread (I’ve been repeating this to as many people as I can, thank you for writing it, by the way)

“a page printed from the Public Health Collaboration on Healthy Eating Guidelines and Weight Loss for the United Kingdom. The site is phcuk.org, an official government site for public health.
Conclusion on page 24 said in 2008 “Evidence from this systematic review demonstrates that low-carbohydrate/high-protein diets are more effective at 6 months and are as effective, if not more, as low-fat diets in reducing weight and cardiovascular
disease risk up to 1 year. More evidence and longer-term studies are needed to assessthe long-term cardiovascular benefits from the weight loss achieved using these diets.” That was in 2008
Finally, in February 2016 the fourth specific analysis was published in the British Journal of Nutrition finding that “Compared with subjects on low-fat diets, subjects on low-carbohydrate diets experienced significantly greater weight loss, greater triglycerides
reduction and greater increase in HDL-cholesterol after 6 months to 2 years of intervention.”
So between 2008 and 2016 the medical advice on nutrition has changed from thinking low carb might be a good idea to 2016 concluding it is a great idea. They go on to say that they are concerned that NICE are not taking up this advice and, in particular, still advocating high carb, low fat diets when it has been shown that low fat leads to fatter people. Apparently NICE are waiting for trial to end so phuk have carried out their own trials and their final final conclusion is:
In light of this scientific evidence the Public Health Collaboration recommends thatthe guidelines for weight loss in the UK should include an ad libitum low-carbohydrate-high-fat diet of real foods as an acceptable, effective and safe approach”

Onwards and upwards with the BSD.

I cannot BELIEVE it’s September tomorrow !
The fall
Autumn
Where the devil did summer go?
I have been using my weight to fit into a tiny, weeny, weeny bikini.
More like three eye patches.
Ahhhhh pirates,

Oh jack sparrow,,,,,, that’s captain to you.

Swoon.

Oh hello, forgot you were there.
Yes, so now I have to put it into storage for next year.
If you don’t behave and stick to the 800 low carbs, I will have no choice
But
To post a photo,
With the title,.,,,,,
Look what happened to me when a carb got me🙃🙃🙃🙃😘
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi Sarah49, While waiting for the books I think a good place to start is with the recipes on this site. I have just had a quick look and noticed 2 very nice breakfast recipes and a couple of lunches just on the first 6 recipes. The carbs and calories are already counted for you. I don’t count carbs I just follow the books recipes, don’t eat simple carbs and use some common sense although I was caught out today eating cashews when I found that 100g = 27g carbs whereas almonds contain 7g of carbs per 100 g. I use a site called Sparkpeople.com which is very user friendly and free but I don’t have an app although I think you can log on with your phone. I am an oldie so not down with it.

I hope I didn’t give the impression that I support the NICE stance on diet. I think they are pig headed and frightened to back what they seem to think is a great diet – our diet. They are afraid that they would be blamed if the diet did not work. There is also a cost implication in their statement about doctors and medical staff not being up to speed so not able to roll it out throughout the NHS. What they are saying is that medical people will need retraining and it would cost a lot. Why don’t they just buy every hospital and doctors surgery MMs book.

Igorasusual, Low fat diets came into vogue when an American president suffered a heart attack in the 1930’s or 40’s (don’t ask me who, can’t recall) and the American medical body decided it was because he was overweight and fat equals weight, so advocated low fat diets. The food industry couldn’t produce tasty food without the fat so added sugars. The rest is where we are now.

Oh yes, Verano, I agree that we should all continue doing what we’re doing. And telling people about it. I’m convinced, just like you.

It’s NICE saying that they can’t change overarching advice until more research is completed. Epidemiology 101.
Which basic principle they took no notice of when the ‘low fat’ recommendation came out.

Thank you. Will check that out. All comments gratefully accepted !

I also understand the need for research but I can’t see what harm this eating plan can do. So maybe we should all keep doing what we’re doing until ‘they’ prove there’s something harmful!

Hi thanks for that.

The exercises the consultants and the physios are tearing their hair out with are stomach crunches, the triceps exercise with the chair and squats, the latter being the biggie.

Apparently they’ve seen a steep increase in injuries related to people being encouraged to do squats, and the physio said it is particularly bad amongst women where it can do external and internal damage. Apparently her rates of clinic admissions have tripled in line with women taking up strength exercises, boot camps and circuits.

The consultant said even done correctly they put too much strain on the pelvis

So sorry Avila x

Ohh AVILA so so sad to read this…so very very sorry you will have to lose yr dog..its so hard for you to have to do this xx losing a pet is really really difficult. Cant find words to express how much i feel for you..can only send big hugs and say i am thinking of you,and my hearts aching for you xxx

Sorry, I just had to pop in to ask (rhetorically, that is) what the research was to justify the wholesale move to ‘low fat’ which was introduced, so far as I can see, without any cogent data to justify it and resulted in the (unexpected) result that manufacturers removed fat and added in sugar, thereby increasing everyone’s intake of that particular refined carbohydrate substantially, without their really realising it.

I do understand the requirement for research, especially for large-scale dietary advice, but evidently it didn’t matter so much then…..

Awful day, and my fault, with dog in the woods last night and decided to take a short cut, but didn’t put her back on lead in time, and the short cut was shorter than I thought and we were suddenly out in the bit of wood adjacent to fields with sheep. She leapt the wall in seconds and it took ages chasing to get her under control. She did get a bite in and the farmer is asking for her to be put down, I accept she can’t be trusted near temptation and there is a lot of that in the area. So sending her back to the rescue centre so they can rehome her in an urban area is the compromise position. I joked that the weight loss I need is like losing my dog – but next week when they have room for her that is exactly what I will be doing, losing my dog. But am saving her from a life on short lead and muzzle never free to run.

Day 43
Wednesday August 31 2016

The weight last Wednesday a week a go was:

330.6

Today 7 days later it it at:

328.0

2.6 pounds loss in one week.

So it will be next Labor Day in 2017 when I will be at (2.6 * 52 = 135.2 ) : 192.8

192.8!!!!!! That would be amazing after one year weight loss and life change. One year of hard work for 20+ years of living on the SAD: Standard American Diet! Haagen Dazs, Ben and Jerry, Cheesecake, potato chips, and lots of lox and bagels! It was easy work munching on all this crapola for my whole life.

Now comes the PRICE for my splurging all that time: Hard work losing weight and building muscle mass.

Well, one of these days I will look like Raphael Nadal! Can’t wait for tonight’s game at the US Open!

Live Long And Prosper!

NUMI congrats. On completing the eight week cycle and on losing such a satisfactory amount,despite going on holiday! Best of luck with yr second 8 week cycle..it will be a breeze! I finish my 8 weeks next Tuesday and cant see me evere returning to eating the way i used to..so i too will prob do another 8 weeks.
This christmas you may well be giving yrself the best Xmas prezzy ever..! 👍🏻
HI TABLETALK! And welcome,good to meet you! X

😃 will be watching Bake Off later.

Blood sugar testers – please do take sunshine-girl’s advice about testing, timing etc – one of the most frequent posts on this forum is about fasting blood sugars and there are some really helpful threads about people’s experience of these. Search for Bill1954’s ‘this has to work for me’ thread to find why he eventually gave up testing fasting bloods and worked with other timings for tests of insulin response.

So much experience here already, do explore to find it. 🙂

LOOPYLOU hopefully this time the craving will pass quickly or maybe you will hardly feel it at all! X

Enjoy yr evening LYNNE ..isnt it lovely being on holiday!🌻⭐️🌻⭐️🌻⭐️

IGOR i wonder why it always seems to be women on the constipation ads on tv?
I remember as a child getting sent to buy a laxative with my friend,for her Nan. I think they were called Bile Beans! Not sure if you can buy them now! Every time we tried to walk into the shop we both burst out laughing and had to wait outside trying to contain our mirth. Presumably we eventually managed to purchase them and poor Nan hopefully got some relief! X
Ps yes good point LUCKY re the senokot ad!
Phoenix nights and car share..brilliant! X ive seen that photo on yr blog LUcky! 👍🏻 x

Hi Yowzer

Nothing fancy, but a start. Feet and back aching 😟 So back at B&B relaxing. The receptionist asked how I’d got on and was amazed when I told her where I’d been.

Going out again tonight is not an option. Stopped at Pret for their Chef’s Italian Salad (345 cals and 8.2 carbs without the Dijon dressing). Last night it was a tomato, cucumber, olives and feta cheese salad from M&S. Would have had the Pret Mozzarella salad today, but just fancied the one I bought.

It hardly seems worth going out to eat anyway – I eat so little I’d probably just be having a starter!

Tomorrow – depends if the things I bought at the Designer Mall fit. Trying them on later. If they don’t, back they go. Otherwise exploring York again. Need to be a bit careful with money because I might have to go to London next week – can’t confirm until I get home to my diary on Friday. I really should coordinate my paper diary and my online diary! But the Christmas shop could well be on my walk 😃 x

LOL Igor! Do you know what makes me laugh with the advertising of that stuff, in particular one well done laxative brand… little yellow pill. It shows a ‘troubled’ woman, then her waking up the next morning, stretching and smiling in bed! Have you EVER taken this? There IS no time to stretch and smile, for the love of GOD it’s all you can do to bolt to the bathroom and make it in time! And there she is leaving for work with a big satisfied smile on her face. Whereas I’m still wiping tears away three hours later… I must be doing something wrong…

Car Share was comedy gold. Absolutely brilliant. Wonderful rapport between the two of them.

Peter Kay Car Share. Priceless 🙂 🙂 🙂

Oh Phoenix Nights is a classic Yowzer, my husband watches that over and over again, and I think each time you’ll notice something new. I’ll have to show you a pic of me in Fancy Dress as Young Kenny in May! Remember when he had his face spray painted as a tiger and it wouldn’t come off???
Did you watch the spin off Max and Paddy’s Road to Nowhere?
I like Jon Richardson too, he’s so funny. And sweet.
Frankie Boyle takes it too far. I like a bit of a laugh and can wince at some things that are near the knuckle and not let them offend, but he’s too much even for me. And that’s saying something.

Ah now you’re talking old school comedians Yowzer, times (and comedy) have changed! Not always sure whether for the better either!

Tokyo – no help as per usual, love! 😉 Maybe Janey will have some hints after her recent crappy holiday.

As an alternative to dynamite, I found Carbzone low carb bread (OH found on Ocado) to both taste quite reasonable (bit like German rye bread) and also to have unexpected and appreciated effects on what we call “digestive transit” in our house. (No we don’t, just joking – was thinking only the other day about the efforts of the advertising agencies to find the most acceptable phrase for this whilst they worked on the laxatives accounts) 😉

Oh lovely,LYNNE..well done on tracking down some new togs! And getting plenty of steps in at the same time! Wow over six miles! I hope yr tootsies arent sore!
What are you gonna have for yr dindins tonight? Dining out or bought something to eat back at yr BnB?
What plans for tomoz? The Christmas shop?x

dynamite lucky dynamite!!!!!💣💣

Best comedian? So hard to pin it down to one, LUCKY
I love Peter Kay..he is spot on with his observations..and Phoenix Nights was hilarous!
i also love Peter Serafinowicz..hard name to say or spell…very funny Liverpool comedian.
And i love Eddy Izzard.
Some comedians i like but their delivery is quite slow and i find that tiring! E.g.,Stewart Lee.its brilliant timing but i lose patience tho its actually worth waiting!
I like sillybilly stuff too…has anyone listened to Count Arthur Strong on radio 4? He had a tv series recently.

I havent seen Frankie BOyle Lucky..he doesnt sound very good from what you say!

Anyone remember the programme The Comedians on tv years ago? Some very funny comedians on there.x

Hi everyone

I’m on holiday in York for a few days.

Managed to find a few items of clothing (still to be tried on!) – underwear, a top and a pencil skirt. Shops visited today range from Designer Outlet Mall, through M&S to Sainsburys and Asda. And many stopping points inbetween

Yesterday I walked 10,357 steps or 7.24 km (4.5 miles). Today it’s 14,755 steps or 10.29 km (6.4 miles).

LUCKY and all..
A great blog about Livlife bread ..well worth a read..wd have copied n pasted it but its a bit long.
And its available in Morrisons as well as Waitrose! X and the bread sounds very promising.
Whats interesting is the blogger started low carbing some time ago after reading a book by a Doctor Bernstein back in 2010! Of only we had known!
http://missjengrieves.com/2014/02/27/livelife-bread/

Anyone got any tips for getting more fibre into me, the best types of foods? The pain relief I am on for my back leaves me with terrible constipation, I’m loathe to take laxatives, and I’m terrified I’ll end up with faecal impaction or something, after hubby had it once :-O

It is indeed 🙂 I want to make some spelt bread with the wholemeal flour this week too. I couldn’t face it today after yesterday’s baking and the mess, you did see the picture, right??? Maybe tomorrow.

Btw from previously…

Igor, that pudding sounded delicious!

Yowzer, well done on the PJ’s! I haven’t wore PJ’s for years, but I know hubby bought me some a few years back, why I’ll never know, but they may fit me now…! Didn’t then, for sure!

Nice to see you again Barista, and glad you’re at maintenance now! Well done! Still a way to go for me yet, but I’m enjoying myself on the journey anyway!

You are indeed Tokyo 😉

i have to say i worship at the altar of greg davies oh yes i am his disciple!!!!!!!

Random question – who is everyone’s favourite comedian, and who do you just not ‘get’?

My favourite is Peter Kay, and I think Frankie Boyle is about as funny as an STD.

livlife lucky i thought its connected to co op possibly they had a web site
its another trick in our bags for us post 8
weekers!! its getting to be quite a good bag 👜👜

Hi all, just wanted to celebrate. I finished my eight weeks at 12 stone and 1 pound which is 1lb less than two stones lost 😊 Very happy with that. We went away this last week, on holiday, which was lovely and I paid very little attention to diet restrictions for the week, (except that my tastes have changed a lot so lots of my choices stayed the same as the BSD recommendations) and I find on coming home that I have only put on a pound and three quarter. Which really sets me up to start again with another eight weeks. If I can lose another two stone I’ll be getting into the healthy bmi range which would be fantastic. I wouldn’t have believed, earlier this year, that I could potentially be at a healthy weight by Christmas 😀
Thanks to all the people who post regularly, reading about you all keeps me on track

I think some Waitrose sell it too? Oooooooh…!

well whilst buying oppo in budgens i have found bread low carbs !!!!! livlife 3 g a slice and 68 cals like a seeded loaf i had it toasted and it was good for those days when you just fancy a bit of bread janey and lucky 🍞🍞🍞

I’d never heard of Budgens until Runforfun – the Oppo girl came on. I don’t think we have any in my neck of the woods either, Yowzer. Might be stocked somewhere else though?

What was it called Tokyo?