Levels of tiredness:
Yeah not bad
I’ll be fine in a bit
Tired by okay
Bit sleepy actually
Exhausted
Shagged
Shattered
Knackered
Dead

Love Lucia
Xxx

That sounds very odd, have sent a report to get it checked!
Tattiescone so pleased you are back on it and running regularly excellent. Have had 2 abyssmal days, all started by having to recall a very nasty tradesman back into my home to sort a problem. But all was well and all sorted, but his previous dealings came flooding back and what do I do – eat!! Will I never learn. Was doing so well last week as well. I can barely keep up with all the posts now, so many new members. But when I get up it will be the first day of the rest of my life! And it will be a good one! My 1,000 mile challenge is going well.
Jules Maigret you are doing brilliantly, well done.

Or you can just work on the principle that staying on anything like 800 calories a day then you will eventually lose weight/inches. The body is a complex and resilient structure and it will take some time to adapt to a new regime. Overthinking it will probably not help.

Hovering to and fro between 9 st 12 and 9 st 13 at the moment. I know I need to get a bit more hardcore if these last few pounds are going to go! Bit of a blip earlier today but had my main meal as a late lunch and have decided to have coffee with cream and see it through until the morning.
I hope everyone had a good day

I am in awe of your work ethic, jmarie, managing your work out after work. Do you do that everyday? At the moment I’m so focused on walking I haven’t yet considered the gym. My physio wants me to try Pilates but the class clashes with my work days.

Peak today… the grandchildren kept me moving but I also did a walk early this morning that really woke me up and made me feel good.

Pit? Do you know, I don’t think there was one. Now that’s definitely a peak!

I hope you had a pleasant day off. We’re due some really cold weather at the end of the week. Is it still raining there?

I am keen to keep going and have enjoyed having a few people to journey with. I haven’t really stuck to the 8 week diet, just shifted my intake to protein and avoided complex carbs (most of the time). I find weighing and counting very hard to stick to, so just eat to the principles of 8 week diet and enjoy the lack of cravings and hunger that comes with the higher fat/protein diet. and I still get to enjoy tasty food which is important to me. Portion sizes are naturally reduced and lack of hunger/sweet tooth protects me from eating crap between meals. I have gone on losing weight little by little, so now 9kg down and want to continue this with the aim of losing another 14kg over the next year (sooner if possible, but don’t want to push it too fast.) For the first time in my life, this feels attainable and sustainable. Happy to go on being part of the group.

Thank you everyone for your really kind words and encouragement- it’s really helped .
Tonight I’m trying Protein bread- made at home using Pea protein and Whey protein, eggs, egg white and broccoli. It’s not bread- no replica sliced white here! BUT I’m using it to sandwich my burger together and it’s ok. It tastes NICE even. And although the slices are very small, 2 are very filling-in fact 1 and half or one sliced thinly would be ample. A quorn peppered steak, 30g cheddar, 25g lettuce and 3 cherry tomatoes, 2 bits of the bread all for 392 calories and I am stuffed!

Hi Gerdmar
Not sure this helps, but I did a quick search about this and found this on the Diabeties UK website, with a quote from the Doctor who has been carrying out this research concerning the chilling of cooked pasta, potatoes etc.:
Dr Robertson is keen to point out her work doesn’t mean we can all eat as many carbs as we like if they are cooked in this way. But these changes could help people to dramatically improve the health impact of carbs, just by the way they prepare everyday starchy foods. “We’ve never said that food with more resistant starch is lower in calories,” she says, “Because it’s not. There will be a small calorie difference because you’re getting less glucose, but it’s not a huge amount, so it’s not going to cure obesity.”

It seems that the benefit is for those who are not limiting carbs, but want to limit the impact on spiking blood sugar levels. Personally, I think the bottom line is, this is of no significance for those of us on the BSD, as we are avoiding carbs.

Hi hope you are all good

I’m afraid I won’t be here for the next few days so maybe somebody else could take over this thread. I know there are a few very regular posters like Krysia, sunshine-girl and Daisiesmum plus probably others. Would be a shame to let it lapse!

Good luck everyone see you in a few days.

Hey RozyDozy, good to have you on the team. My first anniv of the BSD is about six weeks off and I’m hoping to be a smidge under 9st by then – 4lb to go (that’s 3 to get to 9st and 1 to be below, but I’d accept 0.5 to be below!). If my calculation is right, you haven’t got to shift too much, to get back in your healthy BMI, so very doable. In fact, I don’t reckon it will take you long to get back to the 9st 13lb mark.

Good luck with it and I hope to read some good results from you soon. Oh, and take care of yourself with that cold, but don’t be tempted to ‘feed it’!

Hi Juliette – I struggled with the 5:2 when I tried it, as like you I over compensated on the down days and on the fasting days, I found I was obsessed with food – what and how much could have and how soon. Have found the Fast800 so much easier and it really has become a way of life.
Like you, I feel so much healthier and although only a couple of people have commented on my weight loss, lots of people comment on how well I look.
Hope you continue to see good results.

Hello all,
I’d like to join you if I may – tomorrow (12th) will be my first anniversary of starting the BSD. I rather took my foot off the pedal around Sept/Oct, then Xmas came along, the overindulgence was self-inflicted, I didn’t do quite as much exercise as I had been doing and, surprise, surprise, I’ve put on some weight so I need to get back on track. And now I’ve got a cold – at least that is making me drink more!

At my lowest I managed to get down to 9st 13lb (for one day only but it was the first time I’d been below 10st for several years). My ultimate target (to reach 9.5st) is still to be reached – I need to lose about 12lbs to achieve that.

First mini-target is to get back below 10st 2lb (which will bring me back into the Healthy section of the BMI for my height).
Then the longer term aim is to make sure I don’t go above that mark again.

Good luck everyone!

I saw a program on medicine and health on Swedish television in which a colleague of Dr. Mosley together with a research did an experiment with pasta. It turned out that the pasta be cooled down and then warmed up again was very nyttigre than freshly cooked pasta. Is there anyone how much calories are in 100g re-heated pasta?

Mixnmatch, wow that is some result. Congratulations.
I have been on this ‘way of life’ since the 1st October. So delighted with encouragement from this site it certainly helps me every day. I have not lost weight in vast amounts but just a lb a week mostly. Its one of the hardest things I have ever done. But I have stuck to it. I have not felt so well in years, not diabetic thankfully and can now go for a walk without my feet hurting and struggling for breath. I have not totted up how much I should weigh but I am now thinking I should.

Oh well done TUMTUM,SUNSHINE and LIBBY
What a fab way to start the year! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Hi everyone attempting this, ever since I saw Mike’s TV docco on 5:2 I have done the diet every week. I think it must be over 3 years now? I initially lost a stone and a half and recently put on half a stone. My problem is, I eat enormous amounts on the down days! and now on a diet for next 8 weeks to redress this. However, I just wanted to share my experience, since doing the 5:2 (and it is hard, some days worse than others,) I feel fantastically well, my energy, according to friends and family, is massively improved, some say phenomenal – and as a 56 year old producer sometimes doing 18 hour days and masses of stress, that’s extremely welcome! Moreover, I have a great sense of wellbeing and, touch wood, have not been prey to the weakness of the prevalent chest infections I used to suffer from.- in fact I’ve only had one bout of a couple of days illness I think only for several years, that’s including colds – and yes of course it might just be chance… but I truly believe it’s the diet. I have a hideously sweet tooth but after eating a meal, my blood sugar reading was 4. 9 last month, which apparently is fine. I’m not diabetic, but this diet, if you can hold on, seems to have so many other extraordinary benefits and I just wanted to wish you all well..it’s so worth it!

Mixnmatch – WOW that is incredible! I can’t imagine how much willpower and determination you must have. Totally impressed and hearing your story is a hugely motivating. You must be an incredibly strong person. You prove to us that we can do it and you model the determination that we will all surely need over the coming months… Thank you.

Shelbobaggins – you sound like you are in a very similar position as me and have almost exactly the same amount to loose! Also sounds like you are taking the same approach as me (skipping breakfast). I find it extremely hard to loose weight and so far (Day 3) have lost 1 lb. I have dieted so many times over the years I think my body knows something is up and clings on to weight for dear life…. This time it won’t be a diet that needs repeating – I aim to put as much energy into ‘maintaining’ as losing the weight, if I can ever get it off. Have not deviated from plan yet, so, despite minimal loss, I am feeling saintly! I love bouillon as a breather from tea and fizzy water too.

Good luck everyone and thank you New Kathy for starting this thread.

SunnyB….what a good idea to do a picture of glasses. I forget how many 500ml jugs I have had. I aim to 3-4 jugs a day .
Tomorrow I will put a picture of 4 jugs on my fridge, Thank you.

Hi Fifi and Flo and Chrysalis — the grumpy, ravenous and tired thing will definitely pass. Coping strategies that worked for me were, keep really busy with any project you’ve been avoiding, sign up for a Futurelearn class or Duolingo, drink tea, coffee, water, go outside and garden, walk, talk to your neighbors, go shopping and just look at stuff or buy something small, like measuring spoons (haha very useful!!😜), get your nails/toenails done, go through old papers and file, go to the gym, try a new product/food that is way outside your usual choices — all those helped me but IF ALL ELSE FAILS and you are miserable, eat something BSD friendly like coffee with heavy cream (measure!) or a few nuts (6-8) or a piece of really good cheese (go spend time picking a good one out).
Be extra careful to stay low carb! Maybe as low as 20 grams of carb per day until you get control of hunger. This is critical in controlling hunger.
I am one person who never “lost” their hunger on this diet but it became completely manageable after a few hard weeks and I am on maintenance/at goal since June. So hunger will not derail you — keep experimenting with your own strategies and do what works for you!!

Thanks Chrysalis. Today not too bad so far although am still very irritable. My poor husband 😬 .

I think my daughter has one of those colouring books she’s not using so may give it a go!

How’s your day been so far? How many days have you been on the diet so far?

Thanks ever so much for replying. Very helpful. Plus I found this by a Dr which is a bit long reading but helpful too.

https://proteinpower.com/drmike/2006/11/07/what-is-the-glycemic-index/#more-300

Simply put, it seems that on a low GI diet, carbs are not limited as long as they are low GI/GL. But this means that insulin still has to kick-in to deal with the result of the carb in-take. So, at the end of the day, a low GI diet is not as good as the BSD for what most of us want, ie. lower blood sugar/weight loss

Sorry to go on as some people may not be interested, but i’m glad I’ve got to the bottom of it with help from you and the above link. I was getting myself in a bit of a state worrying about what to eat when I finish the 8 week menu plan. Now I know I don’t have to worry about GI. I just need to do what Dr Mosley advises regarding carbs, ie. stay away from those that are highly refined and limit the ones which are in a more natural state. Phew!

Hi everyone, this is Day 3 for me too and I’m surprisingly finding it a lot easier than I thought I would. I bought the book sometime last year but never started as the thought of just 800 calories a day filled me with dread. Although I’m not T2 I suspect that if I carry on as I am will end up being pre-diabetic. I have 56lbs (25kg) to get me to my ideal weight and the top-end of a healthy BMI, not sure how long that might take but I have a mini goal of end of April for my holiday in Thailand so I want to lose as much as possible before then and not look/feel like a fat blob!
I’m finding it much harder to lose weight than I did when I was younger and I get easily discouraged if the scales don’t move enough so am hoping higher losses in the first few weeks of BSD will spur me on to keep going. I’ve decided to fast till lunchtime and just have 2 meals a day saving most of my calories for dinner and so far so good. Have lost 2.2lbs so far so am happy with that, and must remember to keep up with the water intake. Am drinking fizzy water and a hot vegetable bouillon drink as when needed (12 cal per teaspoon serving) which I find helps to keep any hunger at bay.

Good luck on journey everyone, we can do it!!

Hi KrysiaD! I’m so glad your maintenance is going well — I’m finding that my new way of eating is almost automatic now — “almost” is the operative word ha ha! Still need to hop on the 800 bus now and then after a bit of overly-exuberant eating. I will have to watch this forever I think, but for the first time in my whole life it doesn’t seem like torture. I love eating like this. I will enjoy reading your ongoing maintenance posts!

I thought I would join the weigh in thread 🙂

Starting weight Monday 2nd Jan: 15 st 10.1 lbs
1st Weight In 9th January: 15 st 6.1 lbs
2nd Weigh In 11th January: 15 st 3.5 lbs

I promised myself I would weigh once a week but i get so excited getting on the scales and the number being lower than i was the day before – even if is by just 1lbs!! 🙂

Actually got the rowing machine set up in the spare bedroom today and have done two 3 minute sessions – sounds pathetic, but thought I’d build up slowly as I haven’t done any rowing for too long to calculate. Will do more tomorrow.

My first mini goal is 11 st 13.
I was 12 st 3 3/4 this morning…….. But hit that point where hunger has reduced now I’m back on it properly so just need to keep going.
Come on everyone we can do this as we know it works so well.

Cassandra – unless you are 10 foot tall, weighing 10st something is not a fairy tale – YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

that should of course be any food, not just carbs

Hi fifi and flo, the glycemic index indicates the speed at which a carb raises the sugar levels in the blood and there is also a correlation as to how quickly it comes down again. So the higher the GI the quicker it turns to sugar but the hunger pangs come back quicker, low GI release its sugars more slowly so they stay in the system longer and keep you feeling fuller. You will be familiar with some foods giving you are sugar rush (like fizzy sweet drinks) but you get a drop in energy very quickly after consuming. It is complicated but this diet almost works out for you which are the best foods on the GI scale but cutting out those that are high. It is a lot more complicated than that when you start looking at GL. This is basically a low GI diet but basing it on carb load.

There are a lot of sites you can google but to keep it simple look on Kids Health, explaining to mums and their kids.

Hi All. I wondered if anyone can explain in simple lay-man terms what the difference is between a Low-GI/GL diet and Dr Moseley’s BSD?
Have googled but the explanations are confusing (to me 😂)
Thank you

Tumtum…..just *wow* amazing result, you have me optimistic for my first full week weigh in next Monday!

Buffs. Great loss too, and the NSV’s are always welcome. I always plateau at some point. But luckily those are usually the weeks when people comment that I look good.

Just feeling very inspired by everyone on here, great Woe!

Hi everyone and Trelawny!
Starting back today properly.
Have had a bit of a faff about.
Last month has been bad. Turn that a into an ‘s. …bsd not bad!
Brunch..2 eggs..mushrooms..cheese..pepperoni scramble
Tea..tea..
Light evening meal planned tonight. Soup.
Been running.
Terrible acne breakout on face I think it’s the bread! It’s so sore and ugly!
Relieved to be back on it. I can’t cope with overeating. Also running more now. .which reinforces healthy thoughts. Xx
Tattiescone.

K8sgettingthin,

We used to do that many years ago as students. The low point was three trolleys formed into a barricade across the dairy aisle by a group of nuns, who had disappeared off somewhere, leaving no access to the milk. I believe a packet of condoms may have been added to one of the offending trolleys.

I await the special circle of purgatory reserved for such actions.

Getyourcarbon,

I think that I would have risked half a glass of the Tawny – it’s not too bad. I have a case of Grange 2004 in the cellar that is just coming to its best and will feature during the maintenance phase – but in moderation of course.

Hi Leshaz – doing a quick check on calories, 100g of chicken thigh meat is almost double the calories of the same weight of chicken breast – 209 cals against 110cals. I use two sites for nutrition info calorieking.com and nutricheck.co.uk – mainly use calorieking, but it’s a US site I think, so if I can’t find the item on there, I fall back to the nutricheck.
Rice should be avoided as it is high in carbohydrate and the BSD is a low carb way of eating, not low GI. Best to avoid all rice, pasta, bread, potatoes, most cereals and anything sugary etc. Quinoa is okay in small portions if you want a rice substitute, as this is higher in protein than carbs.
Yes you may have coconut cream/milk, but you need to account for this in your calorie count – and if you are tracking carb intake the carb count too.
Hope that helps and good luck as you begin this new way of eating. Hope to see some great results being posted by you soon.

Hydration is one of my issues. I often get caught up in other things and forget to drink and like you end up with a headache. Each morning, I draw five little cups and five little glasses on our notice board in the kitchen and cross them through, as and when I have a drink. It’ not infallible, but it does serve as a prompt.

Hope the scales continue to be kind.

Thanks for the formula TC. Using that, I calculate I have so far lost 13% of my starting weight, which seems amazing!

It does all feel like a fairy tale doesn’t it Cassandra? I’m still trying to get used to being able to buy fitted clothes and not baggy cover-ups to hide the multitude of sins. Can’t get used to having a waist again and no muffin tops.

Keep at it everyone!

Lara, your fasting accomplishments are amazing. I have been doing 5:2 since Dr MM’s TV programme on fasting first aired in 2012 (I believe) and have no plan to ever stop. I came to enjoy that empty feeling I previously considered hunger. Unfortunately the overeating on my ‘5’ days, changes in my medication and giving up artificial sweeteners (and therefore increasing sugar) eventually caught up with me and I started to gain weight, much of it visceral fat. I’ve been doing BSD for about 10 weeks and still love that growly tummy feeling. I’m not sure I could ever fast for more than a day though due to medications and so on. (Well pointed out Verano).

On a less serious note, we are having incredibly high winds in the UK today and in the region where I live wind speeds over 90 miles an hour have been recorded. Did that stop me walking to the shops for berries and veg? Diditeckaslike (a clue to my region). And what exactly did I learn from my foolhardy expedition? Less weight = less resistance -doh! There were points walking to the shop into the wind that I literally had to stop, and a couple of times I almost got blown off my feet! With the wind at my back walking home was much faster, I just had to make sure I wasn’t blown into the road! I arrived home safely,though dizzy, a bit traumatised and looking like a scarecrow 😀

Lunch time now… asparagus, eggs and spinach for me.

Hi sunshine-girl

Hope the cold goes soon. Great loss for one week and now you know how your BG goes up and down I suppose it’s easier to deal with.

Have now signed up for Duolingo! It seems to be a fun way of learning and it’s great to use on the go. Thanks for the recommendation.

Hi Lara

Very interesting reading. I’m really pleased that fasting seems to be suiting you and it does seem to have benefits. However, I do feel that a caveat is needed here, especially as sometimes people try things without enough background research.

I got to Fasting 7 before, in Bold Type, it says that anybody taking any medication should only fast with medical supervision. Furthermore, it does say that medication for diabetes should be adjusted on any fasting day. Dr Fung also says that fasting is ok if you feel hungry but you should stop if you feel sick.

So I guess that anybody with diabetes, and there are lots of us on these threads, should be extra careful about fasting without supervision.

Fifi and Flo I will have a look out for that… I like long soaks in a hot bath as a distraction and have also taken to mindfulness colouring books as a good distraction … not at the same time I hasten to add! I am definitely feeling improved today, but tired, though I think that has as much to do with the hellish winds keeping me awake last night as it does the change in diet! Hope today is good for you 🙂

Thank you everyone for the postings.

Mixnmatch – your weight loss is amazing. Congratulations I hope that I have the willpower to achieve such results. Did you follow the BSD for the whole period or have breaks?
Bombalone & Leshaz & SadieOne & Seahorsesal & abisaysyes & Hulagirl – good luck – its great that there is a team starting around the same time and there to provide and receive encouragement. Looking forward to future posts.
Day 3 – started well but a social luncheon resulted with some deviation. Tried hard to stay on track – however was more restrained then I would have been normally. Main culprit was a fruit salad and some salad which contained a bit of potato. Will investigate the damage on the scales in the morning.

Hi all, I weighed in yesterday as I am a usually Tuesday weigher but I didn’t start the relaunch until Wednesday, so today is one full week. I can report I have now lost 4lbs in one week. I set myself a goal of 4.5 lbs (my Christmas gains) in 2 weeks so have another week to lose half a pound, obviously that is not the aim now. Want to lose 11.5 lbs before my next holiday at Easter which will take me to a nice round figure of 11 stone, excuse the pun ’round figure’, yes I am still barrel shaped.

Once again, after a loss my BG dips up and today was 6.4 but I did reduce my insulin 2 nights ago so my body is probably adjusting to that. I also think I am eating too much cheese. I have it rarely but brought a load of full fat Cheddar back from the UK and have been having it as my night time snack. It has to stop, full fat is good but to often is not. I need to portion it out and stick it in the freezer.

Still full of cold and not exercising, I am allowing myself to wallow but keeping my brain active with 3 study courses I am doing.

Keep on keeping on…

Back on the diet since last Wednesday and have lost 4lbs. I have a goal of 11.5 lbs before I go on my next holiday at Easter so onwards and downwards.

Planning a trip to Sainsbury’s in my lunch break, no trolley ramming though, I promise! These posts keep me going… another kilo down, yippee! I like the idea of a clear path day… it’s a great way of visualising this journey. I will choose to see any obstacles that come up as ones to be cleared out the way, rather than given in to.
Julia

How’s everyone doing?

I had a stinking headache last night but realised that as I’d been buzzing around all day that I’d not drunk enough water – my fault!

The scales were kind to me this morning and showed me an ickle bit more has been lost – hurrah!!

I am a huge believer in mini goals too, I have been doing the plan with my sister whom I only see every 3 months or so due to distance so we usually set a “10 lbs” before I see you again goal. As of this morning I am 11 stone 7 lbs. Getting into the lower half of the stone is a big goal as I have not been this slim since I got married 15 years ago. The next goal will be seeing 10 stone on the scales. Despite the great success so far, this still seems like a fairy tale

“Promised myself to loose 2 stone before year end. Only 3 to go.” – I’m still giggling at that 2 days later – thanks for the smiles 🙂 🙂

Wow Lynne – fab bargains – I’m swanning around in a Hobbs coat at the moment that I picked up for a tenner! Unfortunately it’s about 3 sizes too big now!! But to get anything from Jacques Vert for less than a fiver is a victory! And Fuschia suede – it sounds amazing!

Hi Inka13 – if you’d told me 13 weeks ago pre BSD that I’d be completing a 4 day fast it would have been inconceivable! And in many ways I don’t think I would have been in a physical or mental state to do it back then. 12 weeks on the BSD has re-programmed my body away from carb dependance for fuelling my body and made me realise you can happily live on 800 calories while losing weight 🙂

Hi Verano – I’ve been reading a lot on fasting and there are some incredible reported health benefits associated with regular fasting, including lowering blood pressure (and I can confirm my resting heart rate has lowered in just a few days), improving insulin sensitivity, and lowering cholesterol among others. I felt no ill effects and was able to go about my normal daily routine at work and home (including my 10000 steps a day) with no issues. There was no brain fog or lethargy, which is what I would have expected. Biologically it makes sense that our bodies are designed to survive both feast and famine – we would not have survived as a species if we couldn’t store body fat during the good times and live off that stored fat when food was not available for long periods. Unfortunately in our modern lives we have taken the feasting to an extreme level and lost the balance we need from the periods of fasting we’re designed to sustain. People fast for many reasons, for differing periods and with differing levels of restriction. I drank lots of water, mineral water, green tea & coffee. I also had a cup of clear home made broth in the evenings, so many would not consider that a true fast but it’s within the guidelines that Dr Fung suggests and the calorie impact is negligible.

For anyone interested in learning more try Dr Fung’s website which includes a wealth of information
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/fasting-a-history-part-i/
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/longer-fasting-regimens-part-7/ – includes reference to MMs 5:2 diet