Fantastic buffy lover and tumtump. Brilliant losses.

Hanging on by the skin of my teeth here but managed to get through day 5

How’s everyone else getting on?

Best wishes to all.

TumTumP 5.5 inches off your waist that is wonderful and a great motivator well done ! And to everyone well done!

Angela, I feel you, I totally love mince pies, only homemade ones, I add marzipan to mine, hoping by next Xmas I will be allowed the occasional carb rich treat like that, can’t imagine life otherwise!

Today I have to confess, has gone well,.within 800 cals but I have had 240ml of shiraz tonight, slightly worrying now, that it might upset the applecart, but we shall see I suppose!

I had yogurt, berries and Chia and toasted nuts for breakfast, half a carton of broccoli and Stilton soup and a few macadamias and grilled chicken and portobello mushroom.salad for dinner, plus the wine and a decaf coffee with single cream. Feels positively decadent! Bedtime now, night peeps.

Morning check in, day 4 for me and I have lost another 2 pounds, so 7 pounds in 3 full days of fasting, how much is water? I don’t know, and don’t actually care. 28 ish more pounds to go for me to be at target!

At this rate am hoping that I can move to maintenance in 6 weeks rather than 8, hoping for lots of positives for all of you today

Mocnk x

Day 12 for me just finishing
Lost 6cm off my belly button measurement
Makes a difference with work shirts !!

Think I lost a lot of water in week 1 so wil see how scales go on Sunday

What I do know from fasting is that you can look like you’ve lost not much on Day 3 of a week and by Day 7 you’ve lost 2kg

Had beautiful cauliflower, leek and garlic soup today with chilli sauce on, such low calories as well

Day 16 loving the recipes, Pepper with jewelled feta for lunch and going for the Aubergine with lamb and pomegranate for dinner, but substituting the lamb for chicken mince. Finding the diet easy, hubby struggling, constantly hungry but holding in there. My sugar cravings are slowly disappearing, that has been the hardest part so far, I could easily get through a family bar of chocolate in one sitting, so I substitute with 10 cherries or a mango for lunch, as they are in season and delicious. Gave up my 1 small glass of red wine this week, so hard. However still losing weight and have found this week that I have so much more energy, its amazing. Good luck everybody will report back Tuesday with details of weight and inches lost (hopefully). SJ

Im starting on Monday, waited until now as its my birthday this weekend and have a big family dinner on the day! Need to lose about 2 stone and am raring to go. I have had the books for a couple of months and have been making some of the meals from the recipe book (the tomato, ham and lentil soup is bubbling away as I write this) and lost a few pounds before Christmas but put it all back on (and more) since. I’m 62 this week and have run out of excuses, need to lose the weight for good this year!

10 days in – 4.8 kg down and that includes a bit of meltdown over the weekend involving wine and beers on a football trip!

Food actually delicious and fizzy water keeping me feeling full in between.

My only problem is a slight problem sleeping due to persistent hunger pangs that seem to only come at night and actually wake me up – but I am guessing these will fade in time

Hi Toby101
Well done on the results so far. Have you tried saving some of your daily allowance, so that you can have a snack in the evening? This might help tide you through, so that the hunger pangs don’t cause such a problem. Something like a cube of cheese would be good, as the fat content helps with the feeling full factor, but it could be some nuts or a small serving of yogurt may be.

Anyway, might be worth a try. Good luck on posting more great results soon.

Thanks for the advice SunnyB – I actually don’t feel that hungry in the mornings, and have never historically eaten breakfast during the week so am tempted to ditch breakfast and replace it with a small supper before bed!

That sounds like the way to go Toby101. In fact, this might suit your body better and hopefully you will find you sleep better, which is one of the positives most people find on the Fast800. I’d suggest a brunch/lunch, something for dinner and a fat containing snack mid evening (not too late).
Good luck with it – let us know how you get on.

Mumofcrazynamedkids and TumTumP lovely to hear of your successes. Am continueing to be careful of carbs and eating 800 cals a day. No loss this week so far though im half way through week 3 so think i might be seeing a plateau.
Feeling motivated to continue from everyones positive comments and results. Hopefully the weight will continue to shift. I have pcos wonder if its partly due to that.
Good luck everyone and keep it going.

Hi Cyster, thanks, what has been your loss so far? I haven’t read all the pages of the thread as I only joined on Monday! Need to try and catch up!

I always have plateaus no matter what diet I do, so just v glad it’s working so well now, but any moment it could stop!

Lots of good lossss on this forum👍 Well done everyone. Agree with alot of the posts, recipes from the book have been delicious, love the satay chicken and very filling. I’m finding that around 8pm is the ‘tempting’ time, its not that i’m hungry but more just want a taste in my mouth,, if that makes sense! So have had an oxo cube in boiling water and that seems to satisfy. Managing the 800 cals and 50g carb ok, feel lighter round the middle but shall see what the scales say in the morning😊

Hi Everyone
It’s lovely to read about all the success stories and the slip ups, it makes me feel as though I’m not alone 😊 Today has been awful, I could kill for a large bacon butty! I haven’t given in and just had a lovely stir fry and chicken. Today is by far the worst day but having read some of your posts about you feeling bad gives me strength. Thank you
Val

Help….does anybody know if the cals/carbs for the satay chicken kebab recipe is correct? I’ve logged the ingredients separately on the fatsecret app and its coming out way higher than the recipe book.

Hi ive lost 7 pounds first week and 4 second week Mumofcrazynamedkids
Hi granny ive heard on other forums that the book recipes are inaccurate. I will add it into fintesspal and check too. Hope it helps

Where is the recipe granny i cannot find it in the book?

I’ve read elsewhere that it’s best to check the calories and carbs, that they are often adrift..

Its on page 61 Bsd recipe book Cyster. Thanks for help everyone, feel annoyed if ive enjoyed a lovely meal but the cals/carbs are wrong!

I’m nearly through week 2 having lost 7lbs in week 1. I weighed myself yesterday and have put on 2lbs despite following the recipes religiously … albeit with a very small piece of leftover Christmas cake, which was a mistake but wouldn’t have added 2lbs. I’ll see what happens on Saturday morning for my weekly weigh.

So I started calculating the calorie values to find what others have commented on, that those given in the recipe book are often significantly lower than reality. Finding MFP really annoying to use so resorted to looking at the values on each packet, bag etc and weighing each ingredient which is very time consuming.

Not sure how to feel about this. I do believe BSD has a huge amount of benefits but I want something that I trust and run with confidently. That said, even if calorie values are higher I’m probably not more than 900-1000 cals/day which is still an improvement.

Have others upgraded on MFP or using the regular counter?

Jacks

It could quite easily be the Christmas cake, although it won’t be added fat. Carbs seem to need extra water so eating very carb rich items like that can cause water retention almost instantly, but the water will drop away again as the diet continues. I can’t help on either MFP or the book recipes as I don’t use either 😊

Thanks Mixnmatch, I’m sure you’re right re carbs and water retention.

Had a better day today and my resolve has strengthened :o)

Jacks

Still hanging on in there. 6th day successfully completed.
Not finding it easy though. Craving forbidden foods.

Any experienced BSDers that can advise when it is likely these cravings may subside?
This has to be a new way of life for me but it is a struggle at times. I am a positive person but wobbling a bit.

Thx

Hi I would like to start in January too. I am currently waiting to hear back from my mom since she is waiting to find out if she is diabetic as well. But am looking forward to starting soon too

Hi Jacks, I use Easy Diet Diary and find it quite intuitive although it is an Australian app so may not be as useful for everyone. I have also found quite a big discrepancy in the calories so I have entered them in my EDD recipe section so I don’t have to re-enter every ingredient every time I use that recipe. I’m sure MFP would do the same. It still takes time to plan meals, write up a shopping list and log everything but for now I need it as I’ve only just finished week 1.
So one week down, 5.9kg (13lb) lost, although when I measured my waist, it was 2cm bigger 😩 I must have made a mistake when I measured my waist last week because that can’t be right! Had another migraine today, that’s 3 this week which is really draining along with headaches every day although they have subsided in intensity substantially over the week. I am hoping the migraines and headaches will be gone for good in week 2.
Britt71638816, welcome and good luck to you and your mum. I don’t have diabetes but was heading in that direction so either way, the program is worth it to at least keep blood sugars under control and lose all that dangerous visceral fat.
Week 2 starts today and its time for a chicken salad for lunch, yum.

hi Everyone
Newbie here started No Sugar diet on Monday feel fantastic, no sore feet from insulin, no moodiness, no sadness, can actually see the light through the tunnel. I hadnt realised how sugar is so addictive and challenging to humankind. I am loving feeling like my self again however with Energy, Motivation, Determination to kick sugar forever. Thank you for the Blood Sugar Diet read the book and brought another and I have reduced my blood sugar levels from 15+mmols to 8mmols just in five days and lost 1.1kg ooh happy days………………..

Granny happy to report another loss of 1kg, that makes a total of 3.5 since 2 Jan, VERY happy with that!! Another 10 or 11 to go but know i will do it this time😀, great support and motivation on this forum! Not happy about cals/carbs being wrong in the BSD book but learnt my lesson and will check and log as you suggest China2013. Great start Cher and welcome Britt and your mum, good luck on your journeys. Good choices today everyone👏.

I started on Monday 9th and have come to the conclusion that I really don’t like fish!

Anyhoo …. weighed myself this morning and after 4 days I have a weight loss of 4lb … in 4 days! Isn’t it wonderful to get up every morning and look forward to getting on the scales! I know that they say not to weigh yourself every day but I’m finding it so motivational – together with reading all of your posts.

Off to get the tape measure out ……

I hope you all have a wonderful and nutrient filled day!

Hi

Good to hear of successes here; hoping I’ll be one soon!

I am T 2 on basal insulin, and already eat low-ish carb (but Christmas was a bit of a blip!) I have an appt with the diabetic nurse to discuss the diet next Thursday, but I’d love to start this weekend. (Shopping list in preparation!)

Advice please. Start now or wait until nurse’s advice? Don’t want to risk a hypo

I had a cup of tea with the mother of one of my daughter’s friends today. She had two sugars in her tea, confessed to a sweet tooth and love of desserts, and her husband works for coca-cola. Yet she is very slim! She complained of not exercising enough since Christmas as she patted her tiny flat stomach. Maybe she was packing on the milligrams.

You can really go off people eh Natalie?

Hi Anniflower. When I saw an NHS diabetic nurse, her advice was to eat loads of carbs. She said they were necessary fo energy, and if my blood sugar rose I should increase my insulin. This is the party line in the NHS and is toed grimly by GP surgery nurses who cannot be accused of keeping up with the latest research. So you should be very wary of advice they offer. Don’t forget that there is a reason GPs refer their patients to specialists/experts and your average local surgery nurse is not exactly overqualified.

Unfortunately effective treatment of this disease is still a matter for debate but one thing is for sure – the more carbs you eat, the more insulin you will need and the more insulin you take, the fatter you get.

However, your nurse might be the exception who proves the rule, so good luck

PS. She also told me, when I broached the subject of low carb eating, that I was wrong and too ignorant to be capable of forming an opinion because I lacked her knowledge. In effect, be quiet and do as I say. Consequently my opinion of people like this is not high

Hi

Thanks for that. I know the NHS mantra, and feel as you do! Trouble is the insulin… I need advice about possible cutting back on insulin and/or other medications so the BS does not go too low.

I think I’ll give it a go and ‘eat to the meter’

Hi Anniflower
Sunshinegirl (who is on basal insulin and other meds) posted an excellent reply to a similar question recently and I am sure she won’t mind me copying and posting her reply – which is as follows:

hi julygirl, most of us have altered our meds, reduced them or just got rid of them totally. This diet works quite quickly as you have seen but when it comes to your meds, take it slowly. If you continue to see such good results you might want to reduce little by little. If you have a sympathetic diabetic nurse or doctor that you can get to talk to, that is the best thing to do. It is early days so keep testing (you obviously do).

My story is I want from 10.2 to around 6.0 in a few days (around 10) and started to reduce my insulin a couple of unit at a time say every week. I had some really low readings and reduced my Glicizide as that can cause big drops in BG, I never took Metformin as it gave me the sh—s, which is why I ended up on insulin. Over 6 months I have gone from 38 units of insulin to 22, so it has been a slow process. Also, allow yourself some leeway, you never know when temptation is coming, like birthdays, Christmas.

I have glicazide prescribed too. Just recently I have eaten my 800 almost entirely without starchy carbs, even healthy ones, and to my delight my blood sugar has remained under 7, using only metformin. The scary rises in bs which seemed to occur when I had eaten nothing to cause them have stopped too.

I am slightly confused why so many people are bothering to weigh out every bit of food stuff and calculate to the calories. Surely 800 calories must be arbitrary? Apart from anything else it cannot be right that eating 800 calories has the same impact on a 20 stone man as 12 stone woman for example. What I take from this is that you should be looking to restrict your calorie intake to around 30-40% or your weight maintenance level and avoid sugar and the bread/potatoes/pasta/rice heavy carb stuff

Bit of a sweeping generalisation there.

Firstly, it is not individual nurse’s job to set NHS policy on treatment. If they changed their approach when every new bit of research came out it would be chaos and potentially highly dangerous. We have a process in the UK, OK it may be slow, but it is evidence-based,, hence the current studies in Newcastle. The original research had, I believe, 11 patients. Drawing a significant conclusion from the results of such a small sample is not credible.

As for nurses not being “over-qualified”, should I conclude that you believe that they are therefore appropriately qualified, or is it just a baseless insult and slur, unless you can tell me the level of qualification you would find acceptable. Your experience is not good but the over-simplification and generalisation is not justified and potentially discourages people from trying to have or persisting with a sensible discussion with their nurses.

If you are not going to take their advice then fine, but castigating them for disagreeing with you just makes you sound boorish.

Thanks for that. Really helpful. I’ll see how I get on.

Hi

I have every respect for a nurses’ qualifications and experience, and realise they have to follow the guidelines. My issue is that the guidelines are slow to respond to reasearch developments and after all they are guidelines,not hard and fast rules.

I saw a dietician before going low-carb. She agreed that there was some evidence of this approach working. After all, pre-mid 80’s, diabetics were advised to count carbs!

Absolutely, the guidelines are slow to change and I agree that that is a serious issue, but my main concern is that we cannot generalise and blame the nurses. My GP manages to be pompous and a**e-covering at the same time, whereas my nurse is sceptical about BSD, as she has never had a patient try it, but generally supportive. In all fairness, she was concerned that 800 calories wouldn’t give the balance of vitamins minerals and amino acids to stay healthy, which is a fair shout, I think.

I am by nature quite a forceful individual and I will discuss and dispute with medical professionals, because I want them to challenge my thinking. I am not that arrogant that I believe I know best. But equally the final decision on treatment is mine. I believe that on-going dialogue with your GP/nurse is crucial as we all progress through this relatively new approach. Blanket condemnation that nurses are “not overly qualified” and therefore their opinions should be simply dismissed is I believe unhelpful to other patients and potentially dangerous.

Toby 101, the BSD is primarily designed to reverse T2 diabetes or at least reduce BGLs. 800 calories is key to that. It results in reducing fat in and around liver and pancreas and allows them to in effect reset. Contrary to other listings this has been determined by research greater than one 11 person study at Uni Newcastle (source Michael Moseley in his Australian presentation which was replayed today in ABC radio in Melbourne).

JulesMaigret.

I do so agree that the final decision rests with us as individuals, and I too am a direct and assertive individual. I agree with challenging our thinking, so that we can make those final decisions!

Thanks for your help!

Sorry Jenni

The diabetes reversal is the theory that is currently under review. Whilst positive results have been noted from a number of small studies (Johns Hopkins, Germany etc.), the current Newcastle study is the first full-scale, for all intents and purposes, “clinical trial” of the approach. There are also, I understand, plans for a further study to assess the long term effects of BSD.

Hope this helps.

Hi I have started this diet too in January. I am finding it hard as my willpower is not good .
Had fish and chips the other night as we got in so late and to tired to put something together.
Back on it in the morning .

Tubbypooh, it is not that you have no willpower, no-one has when faced with certain circumstances, tiredness, lack of time etc. One main aspect of this diet is that it needs organisation and forward thinking and planning. Clear the house of temptation if you have no willpower, make sure you have plenty of BSD friendly go to snacks, make some meals to freeze or keep in the fridge or have a few recipes that are quick and easy. You could have made an omelette, maybe you had no eggs, that’s what I mean about being organised, write a weekly menu plan and make sure you have all the foods you need plus staples for emergencies.

You say you got in late and tried to put something together but it sounds as though you had time to go to the chippy or wait for the take out to deliver so it was not TIME but lack of preparation. Take the weekend to sit down and get organised and be ready to go on Monday. Better still, take today and be ready to start tonight.

Good luck, there is always help here.

It’s just not me. There is 4 of us , 2 are fussy eaters and not on diet . So I have to have food for them .
Yes I need to get organised !
I will get it together in the end .
I so don’t want to take medication .

Hi Tubbypooh (great name)

I share your pain. I am in a house where Mme Maigret and two teenage sons who are all thin and , in Mme Maigret’s case has perfect Blood pressure and BS.

Not many tips to share but only the experience that it gets easier. I made the family pizzas and sticky toffee pudding last week and wasn’t tempted in the slightest. I had caponata and no dessert and I didn’t even think about it. If any, the BSD snacks to hand is a good idea then if you are strapped for time you can create a mezze type meal for the two of you whilst everyone else has “fussy” food.

My go-to snacks are boiled eggs and falafel. If you’d told me six months ago I could eat on falafel and be Ok, I’d have said you were nuts!

Sorry should be ONE falafel