I am not worried about milk, I am mixing water with the semi milk to make my own “skimmed”, as the shake mixed with skimmed milk is 200 calories.

I laughed at your tree therapy Bill. I used to go on long drives listening to loud music and singing along to it. The best time to do this was when there was a big football match on as the roads were really quiet, apart from my singing !

Had an even more stressful day today – my oldie has to leave his Care Home – he is really happy and content where he is and the home is fantastic – but another resident winds him up and he won’t walk away. Spent the afternoon trying to find another Care Home with a vacancy, knowing that it won’t be as good as where he is now. And that is before I have to work out how to physically move him.

Hi Nidge
Sounds like you’re well organised!
I wonder if you’re still very hungry if you’re having a bit too much carbs and not enough fat. Eat more fat!! Hard to believe but you don’t get hungry.
Penny

Hi Mooater
Time for a low carb snack??
Penny

Just started the book and I’m already seeing potential mistakes in the way I’m eating, particularly with what she refers to as the “ketogenic level”. I am guilty of having some very low carb days and some higher carb days. Although my carb averages look ok it’s interesting to read that this alone could be causing some issues. Fab referral.
Thanks Penny!

Hi Sue
Found info on full versus low fat milk
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/why-skim-milk-will-make-you-fat-and/
Penny

Hi Landrews
Even plain natural Alpro has sugar in it! The fruit ones have a lot. Plain natural Provamel doesn’t have sugar so I’ve switched to that. I also make my own using a spoonful of goats yogurt and sugar free soya milk and s yogurt maker! Which I really like the taste of. If you decide to do that, boil the soya milk first and cool it down then add the goats yogurt and whisk it. In the morning it will be set and lovely.
Penny

That word was ‘sound’ !

Hi Che
Hmm. Doesn’t doind too much. But maybe reduce it a bit??
Have a look at Jenny Ruhls book ‘low carb problems solved’ ( £3 on kindle)
She has lots of info, it might help.
Penny

Natasha I love the beetroot falafels too! Takes ages to do though. Had the Fish pie this evening which was really nice and a big portion! I made the lamb and aubergine bakes on Sunday but wasn’t very keen on them. The skinny chilli is good though as it’s such a huge portion as it serves 8 which means I have put the other portions in plastic tubs and froze them ready for a quick evening meal when I need it.

Hi Penny
I track my food on my fitness pal and looking back, I seem to be averaging between 35-40g per day. As far as I can see, it’s mostly carbs from veg and beans/legumes and nuts. I wonder if I need to go lower? Hmmmm………I love that the diet isn’t very rigid, but sometimes it would be easier to be told exactly how many grams of carbs, fat etc!!

Hi Sue
Welcome to the forum.
By the way- Michael is really strongly in favour of full fat dairy products, as it’s not the fat we eat that’s the problem but the sugar. If you take the fat out of milk then it has a higher proportion of sugars. Hard to grasp he s really saying this after years of being told fat is bad but he is.
Good luck
Penny

Hi Sue
Don’t feel too sorry for me. I work from home and only had 4 hours work today. It just happens that I have to finish at 8.30.
My experience and many others is once off the carbs and through the first few days hunger isn’t much of a problem. After all if you’re fat burning instead of carb burning we ve got plenty of built in fuel!
Hope it’s going well for you.
Penny

Hi Che
The theory is that belly fat and visceral fat reduce if your carbs are low enough. Could it be yours are not quite low enough?
Penny

Hi Natasha
I haven’t been making the recipes but noticed a lot of problems like this so probably the recipe is wrong.
Penny

Hi Alliebee
There’s been a lot of discussion of this on the forums. People generally seem to think roughly 30-35% each. Which I have, put, though usually my fat intake is higher which is fine as it keeps hunger at bay.
Penny

Hi Volly
Welcome to the forum.
I don’t use the recipes particularly so I can’t help you with the shopping list. Depends what you like eating that’s not carbs! Lots of greens to add to your meals. Michael says don’t count them but some people do. Definitely plan your meals for the week if possible then shop from that.
Re continuing after 8 weeks. One of our number- captain Lynn – asked the team and they said continue a few more weeks 2-3?- then go on the 5:2 or the Mediterranean diet as outlined in the book.
After the first 2-3 days people say it’s the easiest diet they’ve ever done. Which it is. Because most people don’t feel particularly hungry after the beginning. I think because our blood sugar is more stable due to lack of carbs.
Good luck with your start. The forums are so helpful and supportive.
Penny

Hi Nic
Re drinking enough. I draw a picture of 5 glasses and 5 cups in my notebook.
( water, hot water, red bush tea, herb tea- hawthorn which makes you pee a lot!- I don’t count the coffees) As I drink them throughout the day I cross them off. This adds up to 2.8 litres.
Penny

Penny thank you getting an Avocado Thursday. Thought it might fill me up. Hungary will be my worst enemy I fear I have fish twice a week usually fish pie.I use
weet potato always.
Boy I feel guilty now sat nice and warm while you work till 8.30 I did in the past rotton time to finish.

Hi Sue
That breakfast sounds good as well!
On this diet Michael is definitely not saying eat often. Maybe because it’s not a protein diet?. I’d say it’s a low carb high fat middle protein diet. The fat stops you getting hungry. That’s why a fried egg and bacon etc breakfast can work.
Hope it all goes well for you
Penny
PS. I put some avocado on my shake this morning. It was so filling I only ate two thirds. Having now at 6 o’clock as a snack. I usually have home made soup at 6 as I work til 8.30.

Tallyhoo and Bill. I think that each body is different. I can see the reasoning behind Dr. Mosley’s suggestion that greens not be included. However, what i found when weighing them is that yesterday I ate 71 calories worth! Since i’m working this program perhaps more tightly than most, I am actually counting the greens because i eat so much. I have kept my calories quite close to 800 every day. I also am only doing this careful a process for the first 8 weeks. After that, my doc wants me to cut back to 2 days a week. On the other 5 days, i won’t count anything (and watch portion per Dr. Mosley) so that i don’t get jaded like I have in the past when counting calories for 14 months and losing 40 pounds only to regain them. I never wanted to count calories again, lol. But here i am doing so and loving it because the quick weight loss compared to anything I’ve ever experienced is happy motivation.

I learned early on, for me, that I had to minimize grains. No favorite porridge. But i’ll have some in a couple of weeks. Rare bread for convenience when i needed to take a meal with me.

Last week, which was week 6 for me, I didn’t lose weight. Just kept going, trusting the process, and today the weight loss started up again.

I am now thinking ahead to see how to implement the more free flowing regular Mediterranean diet. I’ll still have another 92 pounds to lose, 🙁 I can see myself indulging too much! So, must think it through thoughtfully.

Penny thank you for advice must admit I usually have cheese omlette, bacon egg for breakfast or else I pick . But that sounds good I usually have my shake about 11 as my last protein diet you had to eat every 21/2_3 hours. So its going to be all change for me.

And adds to the time you spend standing up 😳

Indeed, that is the downside to drinking more water, although its about 120 steps round trip to the loo when I’m at work so it all adds up 🙂

Thanks I must drink more water, not just drink less wine! I have been drinking about 1 litre, clearly not enough. Big efforts need some careful tuning obviously. Well done on the 15lbs so far Bre123. If I can lose 4 stone I’ll be over the moon. My next thread will be about frequent loo trips no doubt 😀

Hi All

getting myself ready to start on 1st March, anyone got any tips for a shopping list for Monday 29th? Very excited about getting started. I am not diabetic or pre-diabetic but I would love to loose 40 lbs Is there a limit as in can you keep going beyond the 8 weeks if you are getting on well with the weight loss? any advice is really appreciated

Hi Bre – yes, working full-time does take a lot of planning in advance.

I’m getting a bit faster with the recipes. I was so slow at first as I haven’t been used to cooking this precisely, but now that I’m getting used to it and I’m cooking some of the meals more than once, I am finding that I am speeding up.
The steak with peppercorn sauce takes me 10 minutes to prepare and cook from beginning to end, and the chicken with butter beans takes me about 15 minutes. The beetroot falafels take me ages though and are very messy, but totally worth it; I love them!

Juggling a full-time job with the diet is no easy-feat. You are obviously very dedicated so good for you!

Hi Sue
Apples, pears, small amounts of watermelon, small orange or half a large one, strawberries, blueberries. These are ok to have. I put some of them in my morning shake every day along with greenery – black kale, lettuce, rocket etc, flax seed and psyllium husk ( both anti- constipation ) almond milk , pea protein ( from indigo nutrition on Amazon)
Delicious! Keeps me going til lunchtime.
Penny

Hi
Hoping somebody can advise.
I have just reset my daily allowance to 800 calories on the MFP app.
Does anybody know what % I should change Carbs, Protien and Fat to please?
Thanks 🙂

Hi Oscarbelle
Have a look at Jenny Ruhls book ‘low carb problems solved’ (£3 on kindle)
She goes through all the different problems including tiredness
Penny

Bill-
😝
Penny

Hey Penny,

Thanks for the reminder about fat, you are spot on. I will take heed.

And you are also spot on about the chocolate, so thank you again 🙂

Natasha- great!
Penny

Thanks Natasha_ENFP. I find I have to plan all of my weeks meals and usually do this on a Monday morning; then I can make sure I’ve got everything in I need. I made myself a weekly planner sheet so I can record everything I have and it makes it easier to track the calories as once I’ve made something I know how many cals for what size portion – anything to make life a bit easier as I work full-time.

Hi Bill,

I’m also from the UK and was hoping the cheese was the size of a Cook’s Matches matchbox!

I think they should specify the size as I have no idea. Someone recommended 25-30g so that’s what I’m going by.

Hey Bre123

Well done you for preparing in advance!

I had an evening out with friends last week and took my Ploughmans lunch with me in a little plastic box. I hid it in my bag and excused myself a couple of times so that I could eat! Sounds very ‘secret eater’ lol. I then had dinner when I got home.

Hope you have a nice evening!

I’m ok during the day but once it gets to 9 pm I’m exhausted. It feels like I’ve used up all of my energy allowance for that day so I’m assuming it’s just down to the reduced calorie intake.
All I can suggest is drinking more water (that really does help), make sure you are eating the 800 cals and try to do some exercise as I feel more energised once I have and more tired if I don’t do my daily workout.
Hope that helps.
Bre123

I’m busy tonight so I’ve weighed out 40g of cheese and 3 oatcakes for my dinner – it looks so pitiful but I can eat and run. I miss cheese although I do try to have the occasional bit (that’s all it is when you add up the calories lol).

I’m on week 2, day 3 of the 800 plan. I am using the recipies in the book, am past the “hungry stage” and I’m losing weight which is great however I feel exhausted all of the time. I’m not diabetic but have a sibling with type 2 and have a lot of weigh to lose. Is anyone else feeling like this? Suggestions?

Hi Janet1973

You welcome. Just watched it myself. Now the truth is out there in TV land & everyone should be aware that a Low Carb Mediterranean diet could reverse Diabetes. Hope everyone watches at least today’s program , it’s worth it

Good luck
Eureka

Hi Nic
I have felt lightheaded on a couple of occasions and felt really faint one morning before I had my breakfast as I was pottering around the kitchen – as soon as I had something to eat and drink I felt ok. The advice to drink lots of water is good, I drink about 2-3 ltrs a day even though sometimes it’s a real struggle as I really want a cup of tea!
I’m in week 5 and have so far lost 15 lb (I’ve got 4 stone to loose in total so I was hoping for more but it is the quickest I’ve ever lost weight). Other than feeling lightheaded a couple of times I had horrible headaches on day 3 which thankfully have completely gone since. My only other complaint is that I feel cold all of the time which is the opposite of how I usually feel, but I can suffer it for the weight loss lol.
Keep up the good work.
Bre123

Gutted to see the size of the matchbox sized piece of cheese.
You see in the UK we have these huge family sized boxes of matches…….

Hi Natasha – re chocolate-
If you know you might do that maybe it’s it worth the risk!
Penny

Hi Natasha
I think keep some of the fat on. We ve been so brain washed to not eat it but now we know it’s sugar not fat that messes us up.
It stops you getting hungry
Penny

Hello all,

I was really looking forward to making the crab cakes and envisioned something totally different to what I produced last night – even though I followed the recipe and cooking instructions to the letter.

One thing I noticed was the juice of half a lemon was way too much. The outcome was that my crab cakes totally fell apart and ended up as a crab salad, as the mixture was too wet to form into crab cakes.

It was a disaster.

I was wondering whether I was doing anything wrong. Has anyone tried making the crab cakes successfully?

I started using Mindfulness as a way of dealing with stress. What I have been following is a 10 minute a day programme, where I listen to someone talking through the process on the PC or mobile. One thing I have got out of this is a way of dealing with waking in the middle of the night; I can usually get to sleep ok, but when stressed, wake up after about 3 hours sleep.
I have used one of the Mindfulness ‘tricks’ – lie on your back, eyes closed, breath deeply in through the nose and out through the mouth. Concentrate on the breathing. Scan through the body slowly from head to feed noticing how you feel. I am normally asleep again part way though that process. When not, I am more relaxed and less anxious about the fact I am awake and will drop of soon after. I have been using Headspace App, but there are others out there if you use the search engine.

At least I’m not alone!
I’m a bit stuck with upping the exercise, medical and mobility issues mean that I can only do small amounts. I’ll keep trying though!

Oh, and I have lost 11bs in two weeks and my ‘pregnant looking’ stomach is not looking as pregnant any more!

Hi Kankan 888,

Amazing! Well done you!

I am also 2-weeks into the bsd and cannot believe the difference in everything so far! The word ‘life-changing’ is somewhat overused, but this diet really has been life-changing so far! I’m not even close to craving sugar or junk food, and all the meals on the plan are phenomenally delicious and satisfying.

The diet so far is a miracle.

I want all my friends and family to do this but I don’t want to become an evangelical ‘diet bore.’ I guess it’s all about people seeing the positive changes in me and then getting curious and interested.

My friend asked me if this would be a sustainable way to live after the diet has ended, and I think it will be. I can’t believe how bad sugar was making me feel (and I didn’t even realise it). My energy levels (as you said) have been transformed, I feel cleaner, clearer and fresher, and it’s amazing not to have the ‘mid-afternoon slump.’ Why on earth would I want to go back to feeling like that again?!

I also do not want my skin to go back to the way it was – acne and patchy on my face, chest and upper-back. It has improved so much in 2-weeks. It’s not perfect yet but my goodness what a difference.

Thank you for sharing your experience so far, it all helps with the motivation.

Best of luck (not that you really need it lol) for the next 6-weeks!

Pmshrink your advice has been most gratefully received. The crock pot I’m looking to order today. I’m writing your receipe down for my first day. I think I’ll stick to my tuna salad for lunch. I’m a piggy usually at breakfast so I’m going to take advice and shake it. I’m going to miss my fruit I think but I do need to cut it down. So have bit more shopping to sort then Saturday here we come. Thank you once again can’t wait for stew.

Hey Cherianne,

How’s it going?

Ah yes of course, you are in Australia – one of my favourite places in the world! I would happily emigrate if I could.

I hope you now have a plentiful supply of wood and are keeping cosy 🙂