jillyB of course fats contain calories but there has to be a trade off somewhere.
You know about how it works getting into fat burning mode so why not try what I do ?
I don’t worry about the calories, I just restrict the simple carbs and increase the fat intake.
I find now that my appetite has lessened so much that I struggle to clear a plate and I have lost 2 stones. The fat keeps me feeling full through until the next meal. I use coconut oil, olive oil, butter, cheese, and natural meat fats.
If you can get to the point where a little food will satisfy you, the calories will take care of themselves.
Best of luck

Hi Alanhypno
As Deb says, pre-packaged foods have the nutrition info on it somewhere and there are also plenty of sites that supply info for nutritional content online. I have also purchased quite a good little book from Amazon – Women’s Weekly Fat+Carb_Protein Counter. Most important is to keep an eye on carbs and try to keep them around 50g a day and try to keep around the 800cals a day and you should be fine.

>> I bought my mother, after a heart attack

I just read that as ‘I bought my mother a heart attack’.

Need coffee…

I’ve been on the 800 for a week now and I’ve just started using My Fitness Pal to track my progress. Their status shows NETT calorie intake / day … Allowable (800) + Food – Exercise

Am I allowed 800 gross or Nett calories ?

Is there any list of all foods I can eat on this plan ???
As I’m new to Mediterranean cooking I think it would make it much easier if I had a list of foods I could eat,I know there’s lots of recipes but to make my own would be easier if list available.
Just eating a subway salad bowl with chicken around 160 calories and lots veg but is it all ok to eat ?
I begin next week as I’m buying a blood test kit so I can compare before and after results !!!!
Many many thanks to all for your input,more than I’ve had from medical profession in years
Alan

Hi Christi1948

Sorry You & catgirl seemed to have been got at! Emailed the tech team this am ( like I know what I’m doing!) so do hope they can sort it all & tighten up security. We don’t want to lose you or anyone to that kind of feeble mind!

Yep it’s me x
Eureka

Hi bill1954
I have just been catching up on the forum, I have also reported these rogue posts, I am glad you reported the phone number one, I though I was going crazy when I saw them then logged out and back in and they were gone!
I hope they sort it thanks
Christine

Hi Natalie
I have reported the rogue posts, and I think others have too!

Hi everyone – thank for all the replies to my post, they really helped. Now day 4 and the headache has starting to improve. I’m taking the paracetamol and that definitely made me feel a bit better. I also took a day off work (I’m freelance so I can do this if I need to) and lay on the sofa sleeping and feeling sorry for myself – great therapy! I’ve also lost a few pounds so that’s very encouraging. Feel that the worst is over now and I’m focused to keep going.

Thanks for the tip Fran84, the cube of cheese saved me yesterday, it’s amazing how so little can be a help.

Hi barby – don’t be scared of the scales! I was and it’s now day four the same as you, I got on the scales this morning and have lost three pounds already. Hope you get the same result!

That’s good news Bill, I was hoping it was something simple like that.
You are getting so close to that non diabetic fasting blood sugar level!! Only 0.7 to go and you’ll have cracked it. You’re already there the rest of the day.
Do what Lucia does, talk to your liver! Encourage it, tell it to let go of those last stores of fat, tell it what an awesome organ it is and that you’ll never put it under such stress again 🙂
It will give a big sigh, let the last bits of fat drain away, and you’ll be under 5.9 and non diabetic….
Have you dropped the metformin altogether? Might be time to do it if you haven’t already.

Hi barby – I use the Trukish style yogurt from Lidl, which is 10% fat and very creamy. I sometimes soak a few sultanas in a flavoured tea – rose, ginger or a fruit version – then sprinkle a few into my yogurt with some mixed seeds. It’s amazing how much sweetness just a few pre-soaked sultanas can impart. I also sometimes add a little cinnamon or nutmeg.

Check out the What have you eaten today thread, where people post their menus, as there are lots of ideas on there.

Yes Bill, challenge the doctors! My neighbour I was talking about is an old style French doctor, who believes that doctors have the God-given task of looking after their patients, not give them the means to look after themselves.
I used to have a BMI of around 36 (now hovering just below30) and my own doctor never used the “O” word. he treated my slow to heal wounds, but never said that I was pre-diabetic and obese.
I am glad to find the solution myself. I feel great on this BSD with fasting.

Hi catgirl,
I watched that programme, I love any gardening show, and now Angela is with us (she has been training to be a horticulturist!) we are even more engrossed in the garden profs.

Hi Judith
Didn’t finish my post. I have has a couple of rogue posts, I think both supposed to be from catgirl, I know she hasn’t sent them, I believe the tech team has been informed?

mummytummy,

Thank you for your suggestions, but that was not quite the question I asked. I know all about carbs spiking, and good fats burning energy and being more satiated…..I have been insulin dependent T2 for many years, so I understand all that. What I wanted to know, given that fats [ good or bad ] are high in calories, so this would take a big chunk from my calorie allowance.
Regards jillyB

Hi QuiOui
Loving the attitude there.
If a few more patients were like you and challenged their GP’s they might start actually thinking about their jobs instead of just blindly following the book.
I have to say though that I have spoken to a few now who know about the benefits of low carb eating, they just don’t broadcast it.
Shameful really.

Hi, I make the brownies weekly but don’t use nibs I use cocoa powder as it makes them tastier I think, I also make the almond and fruit pudding which is lovely with yog, my family eat what I give them and believe me if they knew they were eating sugarless treats they would be shouting from the rooftops😳. If you make these things look “normal” you’ve won the battle👍

Hi Judith
The Aunty Edna special is very heavy on carbs! So I won’t be partaking unfortunately, got myself a piece of swordfish from the fish man that calls this morning so I won’t starve.

Aah, thank you Bill, you are very kind. You are well on your way to reaching your objective too! You just need to stop lowering the weight you want to get to lol 😉
Seriously though, this BSD way of life exceeds expectations doesn’t it? It does take some perseverance and occasional detective work, but to look back at where we all were and what we’ve achieved is inspiring. We are proving that diabetes needn’t be a progressive illness and that we can overcome it. I truly don’t think that those of us who’ve crossed the 8 week line would ever go back to a carb heavy diet again.
I’m proud of all of us, and treasure the friendship and support. What a great bunch you are.

Steve T- I made the meatballs with very lean beef, not lamb. It was good.

I like your reply, Bill1954, about the Diabetes questionnaire. When I started fasting, I went to my doctor to tell him about fasting. He sat me down and asked me a lot of How To questions. I said that I found my own way of solving the problem, and he said this was great. He could not offer a solution and was happy I found one ( a rare doctor).However my neighbour said he did not agree with fasting. My reply was (politely) that I was going to do it anyway. Now I am 25kg lighter, my neighbour no longer says anything.

200 and counting, only 9800 to go 😀

It’s looking like yesterday was just a blip, FBS was 6.6 this morning.
Interestingly, I had a stomach cramp yesterday followed by a sprint to the loo (reminders of Metformin moments) so I maybe had a tummy bug that was affecting things. in fact, by 6:30 last night I was back down in the 4’s 🙂

Hi Mared
Try increasing your fat intake to help your body into fat burning mode, that should help.
If I understand it correctly, your body will shed a lot of fluid in the first few days showing fast weight loss but then it will start to retain water to help flush the extra glucoze from your system, hence the plateaux.
You should see results by next week

Short update from me on how things are going. Been an odd couple of days, hypoglycemic after jog, little weight loss since the end of the 8 weeks, (now in week 10), then a rush. 84 kg this morning. So now a total weight loss 13.8kg (30.4lbs). Just checked BMI and now 10kg off of next target which is ‘normal’ BMI. and 11 kg off my final target. Feeling a bit happier than yesterday when I spent the whole day running to the loo!
Off to find some ketostix to check my state of ketosis as I suspect that was the cause of yesterdays loo visits.

Spotted this whilst browsing this morning – thought it might amuse (and interest) some others.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zg3hk7h?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=avs&intc_campaign=bbcone_howtostayyoung&intc_linkname=guide_realagetest_contentcard2
There is a programme on tonight on how to slow aging – both body and it supports. I answered it as a mixture of what I am currently doing, and what I was doing and my lifestyle answers added 7 years to my lifestyle age! You can then adjust the answers to see which you need focus on to bring your age down to your real age (and lower). I need to get a dog :-), walk dog twice a day, keep up the weight loss and so to see the doctors occasionally – that took me to 4 years younger than my real age!

Hello
I am new too and not diabetic either, but needing a boost to lose my last 8kg.
I am on day 3 and really enjoying cooking at home again after 4 weeks on the move and a bit too much chocolate.
Ieat the 800 calories in a 5 hour eating window, and already burning fat ( my OH can smell the acetone).

Hi Bill1954, I will certainly sign your petition! Thanks!

And gone
thanks JJ you’re really on the ball today 🙂

I’ve been disappointed too. I think I’ve been really good, no potatoes, rice, pasta, bread or alcohol – just bacon, eggs, salads, stir fries, chicken, salmon and hummous. I’ve not lost anything, although it has been the first week only. Could it just be that I need to up the water intake even more and eat more yoghurt and cheese? Apart from this, found the diet easy so far and enjoyed to food.

Welcome Kingdoone
You don’t need to feel like a fraud, there are many non diabetics on the forums.
Use the diet as a preventitive measure, it’s all good.

reported multiple times – bloody annoying

Hi! Please don’t worry, the site hasn’t been hacked. We won’t comment on individual cases for privacy reasons but I will almost always give the same information regarding passwords and keeping them safe, regardless of the root cause of the concern.

So here goes 😊

You should have unique, strong and long passwords for each site you use. These can be difficult to remember, so there are password managers available which remember them for you and plug into your browser to help you fill out login forms. I use 1Password, https://agilebits.com/, and LastPass, https://lastpass.com/, is also popular. The reason for this is if one site you are on gets hacked, then hackers can’t use that information to hack you on another site.

I also recommend looking at Troy Hunt’s site, have i been pwned? https://haveibeenpwned.com/, to see if your email has been involved in any of the big data breaches. Troy Hunt teaches courses on web security and has provided that site as a free service.

We aren’t affiliated with any of those, it’s just that when the topic comes up, it seems responsible to mention it.

Congratulations Garden78! They are amazing results. May I suggest you repost this in ‘Fast 800’ ? I think anyone struggling would appreciate reading this! X

got this back from admin
Thanks for the reports. The site hasn’t been hacked or compromised but I can’t comment more on what happened for privacy reasons.

Now the spammers are hitting another forum, the 5:2
This is getting ridiculous

Hi Everyone,
I feel a bit of a fraud as I am not diabetic yet!!
I am clinically ‘obese’ BMI 34.2 and have over years lost considerable amounts of weight and regained. I even lost 3 stones with ‘Lighterlife’ just protein drinks for 3 months.
I am in my 60’s and realise with my large waist I am heading in the diabetes direction. My saving grace being that I am very active.
I am a qualified diabetes nurse, now retired! So also feel some guilt and shame. After reading the book it echoes what I have thought for many years , that we treat diabetes wrongly.
Anyway , I am fascinated by your emails and your determination to succeed.
I have started !

Hi JillyB!
Fat is the most energy dense of all the nutrients ( protein fats and carbs). The secret to the success of this plan is you use ‘good’ fats- olive oil, coconut oil, avocado, rapeseed oil, and Butter- not margarine or ‘low fat’ spreads. Small amounts of good fats are good for us and keep us feeling full for longer. So even tho the amounts seem small, it should satisfy you for longer than a plate full of starchy carbs does because they just spike your blood sugar then it crashes down much sooner leaving you feeling starving! Bad fats are those onus in low fat spreads, commercially made cakes biscuits and pastries, which are mainly ‘trans fats’ and are very bad for us. Good luck JillyB! X

Hi barby, yes cacao nibs are an acquired taste for some. I love them but I’ve never been a milk chocolate fan. They are quite pricey (I buy raw nibs online) but I find a dessert spoon sprinkled on top of my yogurt is enough so a pack goes a long way. I also use turmeric, cinnamon and root ginger in savoury food and cacao can zip up a chilli! I am interested in the anti inflammatory effect of such foods as well as the delicious taste. if you like coconut there are dairy free coconut yogurts available in the usual supermarkets. Check that they are unsweetened. I’m interested to hear how my fellow vegetarians are doing. 😊

Hi all, I am new here and have loved reading the posts, with special thanks to Squidy for posting that very interesting information on the DP. I too have experienced morning highs. I am going to look at it this way, I did well the day before allowing my liver to release sugar during the dawn phenomenom, now all I have to do is burn it off. My readings for the last 3 days have been 7.1, 6.0 and 5.9. During the day I am averaging 5.5. Just had my diabetic bloods done yesterday so will be interested to see what my average has been over the last few months. I take no meds and never will after having a horrendous hypo when pregnant (on insulin as had gestational diabetes) and after being told by one silly diabetic nurse of the progression my diabetes will take and there was nothing I could do about it!! Thank goodness for low GI and Prof Roy Taylor and Dr Fung and now Dr Mosley. X

Thanks for the ideas Magpie – I’m veggie too. I have a mixture of ground seeds and nuts that I add to my jumbo oats, so could use that.Will get some milled flax anyway, as it’s good for your hair I think.

Never tried the cacao nuts, but will now, as thy are apparently a superfood, but rather bitter! Somewhere I read you can add a little cinammon, turmuric or shredded coconut also. Prefer the fruit idea to be honest..

Hi. You can look it up on line or on the back of your food products. Make a list before you start of all the things you like to eat and the amount of carbs in each. It will make it easier to keep track. Good luck!

Hi all, loving the ideas! I find that really need strong flavours and crunch to satisfy me at breakfast time. I use frozen mixed red berries which include blackcurrants and raspberries or, to ring the changes, grated lemon zest and a sprinkle of stevia or orange zest, stevia and a sprinkle of cacao nibs which add a nice crunch too. Then the seeds, milled flax, nuts etc. I’m a vegetarian, almost vegan, so I use diary free yogurt which is also low carb and filling.

Well done gooismeid 🙂

I’m with you on the wine, I also allow myself the odd G+T.

You have to be happy with those results gooismeid.
Nice to see you are joining the group of us who are continuing on the fast 800.
Your tale will help instill confidence into new starters
Congratulations to both of you. 🙂

Thanks Lucy – maybe my tastes will change too then. I have tried to like it just plain.Maybe I could make a sauce from frozen strawberries etc.

Barby I do that with berries, strawberries I use fresh and I have used pear as well
To vary things I add a tsp of milled linseed to help keep the plumbing regular

Emailed you Judith 😉
yeah it said to leave contact details if you are willing to be interviewed

Hi Barby,

Until I started this way of eating, I HATED plain yoghurt! However, as I have cut out refined carbs and sugar, it tastes better everyday! I have been eating it with a few blueberries and strawberries and a sprinkle of mixed seed i.e. flax seed, sunflower etc – Delicious! Never thought I would ever post that. I have been eating Yeo full fat natural yoghurt

Lucy

The 8 week result.
Dropped: 12 pounds, from a borderline size 16 to a 12/14, the late night chocolate cravings, from borderline obese to mid-range overweight.
Gained: extra energy, a yogurt maker, a taste for running, and a slimline husband who fits into trousers 2 sizes smaller than before the diet. Not bad, considering we also had a sort-of week off over Easter which resulted in no weight loss. In fact, we’re so pleased about this new way of eating we’re continuing with the Fast 800 for another few weeks until we’re both out of the overweight BMI range. When we went out last night to celebrate our niece’s birthday, we both had a lovely steak salad, sparkling water, and the tiniest sliver of chocolate cake, and felt totally stuffed. I can’t imagine ever sitting down to a 3 course meal plus breadbasket again, and to be honest I don’t think I’ll miss it. I am, however, glad that the BSD Med-style diet does advocate the odd glass of red wine!

Yeh, Bill, I will keep reporting anything I see. Done it quite a few times already. I have noticed other people, like me, you, Lynne etc are not drawing attention to the spammers without reporting first. I think we learnt that lesson via happyslapper.

I’ve got to say hacking passwords must feel very personal to the victims.

Janet 1973 I always think up a phrase which is meaningful to me but nothing to anyone else and add numbers and symbols, capital and lower case etc. The spammers will hit on those with softer passwords first.

I have a question please about yogurts please, as I was going to try one for breakfast. I understand the Greek type full fat are best, but I really don’t like them plain, and I guess the fruit flavoured ones have fructose or other bad things.

Don’t like honey much, what else could I add to add some fruity flavour? I have some frozen blackberries, I could microwave for a few seconds and add them.Just wondered what you all do? Would love it if there were a low carb fruit one anywhere. Thanks.