What is happening Zendo is that you are doing everything right.
The full feeling is coming from the extra fat in your diet because it takes your body so much longer to process plus, a lot of what we have always called hunger was actuallyy carbohydrate cravings. Now you are in fat burning mode, you no longer need carbs so your body isn’t crying out for them.
On an aside, had a meal out last night at an Italian restaurant. Had to be careful with choices as most of the scrummy food is sauce laden and we don’t know what goes into them.
Settled for king prawn in garlic starter and a fillet steak with vegetables.
Delicious and FBS today was 6.3 so a result.
You can eat out if you just plan carefully.

We were obviously typing at the same time Bill! 🙂

Hi Hashimoto/ Alanhypo
Seem to have been in ‘the pants falling down club’ for a while now as well!!!
Chose the wrong pair to play tennis in last night (under jogging bottoms, I must add).
Spend part of the time trying to surreptitiously haul them back into place.
Annoyingly this pair of ‘droopy drawers’ are quite new.

Hi feltwicked, welcome to the forums 🙂
Congratulations to you and OH for starting this diet tomorrow.

You don’t need to follow the complex recipes in the book for your packed meals for work. Just follow the principles!

Ideas for packed meals:
Dips and crudite
Salad with ham/egg/tuna/salmon/chicken/beans etc
No carb ploughmans – from book
Full fat yoghurt and berries
Piece of cheese and celery and apple
Soup in a flask
Couple of boiled eggs and some nuts

Lots of things you can have that are easy to prepare – the single pots of Fage full fat yoghurt don’t need any prep!

There are a few shift workers on these forums following this diet so you are not alone! 🙂

Hi Christine, I was like a kid at xmas when i opened mine too. Then i had to keep watching the vid as I used the spiraliser, jigsaw puzzles and mechanical objects are not my forte 🙁

Cracked it Fran !!!
Your Dad has to be impressed with your results, keep plugging away at him 😉
8Kg WOW that’s 35 packets of lard that you no longer have to lug about with you.
You must be feeling fantastic and well deserved.

Nice to know I’m in your thoughts Judith 😉

Bill, that image of you rapidly morphing in a telephone box is going to stick with me all day!!! 😉

Help…complete freak out. Had seen GP who diagnosed pre-diabetes and said fasting blood glucose was 6.6 (after 15 hour fast)….so followed diet, BMI down to between 21-22 from 23-24, 150 hours aerobic exercise etc etc for approximately one month. Bought my own blood monitor yesterday and this morning took my first reading…fasting blood glucose after 12 hours is 8.3.!!!!! Feel in despair. I do know machines show differently but this is a standard Accuchek with strips. What to do?? My efforts have put now put me in worse situation (although I would think if I had had 12 hour fasting with GP might have been closer to the new figure). Last night’s supper was only fillet salmon, french green beans and half an apple with handful of seeds. Tofa

Hi Chongolo, you do need to go to the loo a lot at first but it settles down after a while.

I am one of those whose acid reflux has disappeared, yours may settle down soon. This diet causes huge changes in the body in the first couple of weeks so give it time! !

The garlic and a teaspoon of cream cheese gives you a lot of bang for your buck on this diet! Saves wasting most of a jar of passata as well!
I love chilli so always add that as well. If you like chilli it is vit C rich and anti inflammatory as well 🙂

Wow that’s strange Chongololo
A lot of folks have reported that their acid reflux has vastly improved during the 8 weeks.
In fact I’m sure Hashimoto is one of them.
I’m sure she’ll be along soon to confirm that.
Anyhow, best of luck with the plan. If you can stick with it then 20kg is very acheivable, others have lost that and more.

Sorry you’ve got a cold Lucia, try echinacea its very effective, you’ll be better in no time. I’m with you on Darcy, or Colin Firth in any role! Jules x

I haven’t change clothes in a telephone box for many a year Judith and the Kryptonite is a real PITA these days 😉
Meredex I’m so happy you have had a rethink. Of course I’m going to be watching you now so let’s get that weight moving.—– Starting this week 😀

I’m so pleased you’re sticking with it Meredex, the losses will come and you’d have missed out on them if you’d stopped now. Us tortoises need to stick together, we know we’ll get there in the end and we can support each other along the way. Jx

Bill! Have you got a secret identity?! 🙂

Sorry, Meredex, Bill is not Michael in disguise, he is pretty brilliant though! 🙂

Thank you all for your encouragement. Well I sulked for the day, then had a word with myself whilst putting my scales under the bed. I am in this primarily for weight loss. As a yo yo dieter I thought I had found my perfect diet as its wonderful not feeling hungry. I look to my not so distant past and can’t help wondering how much more I would have lost at slimming world ( I would guess 2-3lbs consistent weight loss a week) but I get bored and fall off the wagon! I am amazed that in 4 weeks I haven’t eaten any carbs other than green leaves and veg – it’s amazing Warburtons bakery hasn’t gone bust! As I said I’m going to stop being mardy, weigh once a week and carry on. If Michael happens to be reading this he may need to come up with diet number 3 for those of us slow losers! I would happily be a Guinea pig. Actuall I had hoped BILL was Michael writing under a pseudonym 😉 Xxxxxx

Great result Julkat
You’ll be down into pre diabetic levels before you know it at this rate
Well done you and best of luck for the next few weeks

Hi hashimoto,

No I hadn’t thought of that – I have always preferred tomato based sauces for pasta and stuff (fuel for the parmesan!) but that IS a good idea. I need to stop in at the shops and grab some dogfood and maybe a chicken breast for tomorrows dinner, I will add some philly to the basket.

One thing I have noted is so far this diet has had me racing tot eh loo all the time, and is playing havoc with my acid reflux. I am changing meds anyway (too insecure about PPI’s so trying the H+ ones) but yesterday and today the reflux has showed up MUCH earlier. Possibly previous continual snacking kept it at bay somewhat?

its annoying, I have antacid chewables on me. Here’s hoping it chills out, i have read other have had their reflux improve?

oh well. talk later 🙂

Hi all, my partner and I are sbout to embark on the BSD tomorrow morning. We’re definitely looking forward to it. My big issue is the fact that I’m a shift worker with 4 days of midnight (tonight) to 8:00am followed by 3 days of afternoon shifts 1600 to 2400. The weird times makes it difficult to coordinate the complex recipes in the book, but we’re working that out beforehand, ie right now. I’ll keep you posted on our progress. Goodbye type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure (me) and excess weight (Jeanette and I).

I’m going to try the BSD 5:2 I think, see if increasing my calories will help things settle down a bit. I was pretty strict on the carbs, so I’m going to add more of those too, oats and hummus probably, although there is some suggestion chick peas may effect oestrogen levels. There is so much conflicting advice.

Anyway, I really don’t want another night as messy as last night. *shivers*

Paula you will have to post some of R’s Mr Pickles stories! 🙂

Way to go, justdoit!:)

Well, it might fall off as you walk but you would leave a fragrant smell in your wake 🙂

Hi toni, welcome to the forums! 🙂
The constant need to visit the toilet seemed to subside for me after 2 or 3 weeks! So it should get better soon and you will enjoy improved sleep 🙂

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Mr d’arcy.

💔💛💚💙💜💙💚💚💛💛💙💛❤️❤️💔💔❤️❤️💛💚💙💜💚❤️💗💖💞💕💖💘💞💗💛💙💙💙❣💕💝💝💓💓💓💙💛❤️💛💙💕💞
Oops.
Love Lucia
Xxx

Hi Hashimoto,
Sorry, I thought you were giving me a cold remedy.
To rub myself all over with parsley and lemon zest.

You know my brain isn’t wired the right way.

Ps, wouldn’t the parsley fall off me as I walk?

😀😀😀😀😬😬🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋🍋
Love Lucia
Xxxx

In pride and prejudice
I love the expression,,,,,
I would have been a fantastic concert pianist, if only I could play the piano.

My version,,,,,
I would have been an excellent size 10 if I hadn’t been stuffing my face with junk.

So here we go again,
One note at a time….
I think, being on this path a month, I am able to play the kids tune ‘chopsticks ‘.

Keep practising, keep happy, oh and don’t forget to swoon over mr d’arcy.
Sigh….
Love luciaXxxxx

Parsley and lemon zest rub on some cod, Lucia.?
Xx

Sorry about the cold – I drink lemon, chilli and ginger when I have a cold! Slice of lemon, a piece of ginger root and a sliver of chilli in a mug, add hot water – very warming and comforting!

I’ve filled my kitchen window sill with parsley, basil, mint, coriander and chives (big ones from supermarket and they are still going strong 5 weeks later – it’s like an indoor greenhouse! I add a handful to everything I make, delicious!

Julkat, amazing bs results! 🙂

Can you all lean back away from the computer and phones please.

Government health warning……….

I have a cough and a cold.
I knew that when people in my office got it, only time would bring those pesky little bugs crawling over the wooden floors, up the chair leg and at me.

Oh well. Have got lemons with me today for a hot lemon drink.

One of those things.

Love lucia

Hi so I am announcing that it’s parsley day on Saturday. I will get some and try it with my meals.

How us everyone this morning?
I was so cold yesterday evening I had to put the fire on!
And regretted taking the electric blanket if the bed.
That’s the trouble with losing my blubber, nothing to keep me warm.😆😆😆😆😆
It was so icy this morning too.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi chongolo, you have done well to reduce your Bmi so much.
Instead of pasatta have you thought of garlic and so.e cream cheese added to your courgetti?

Wow Fran84, that is just a brilliant result! 8kg in 4 weeks is smashing, I would be so happy with that. I have just begun, so yet to see what my body is going to do to me – it added 0.2 after day one, so I think i shall have to step away form the scales a bit.

I think your 12 week plan is a good one, I do wonder how 5:2 works in practice though. Congrats on the BMI! I remember doing that – it was a great feeling, the BMI number goes down much slower then the weight number, so a round figure there is something to be celebrated! Cheers, C

Hi Elma the team told captainlynne she could continue for a while after the 8 weeks and she has just finished week 18!! So don’t worry about a few more weeks before switching to 5:2 🙂

Hi Ladies, try eating as much iron rich food as you can, parsley was mentioned yesterday, put some on your savoury foods each day, rhubarb is coming into season in the Uk, it’s rich in vitamin C and iron, important as the body needs vit C to absorb iron. Watercress is also good 🙂
I’m trying to think of foods which are low calorie and fit into the diet, otherwise I would be saying a glass of prune juice every day 🙁

Thanks hashimoto – my main aim was to reduce my levels and the extra weight off was a secondary but with the big loss in week one I thought more would have come off again. But I am in no way giving up 😆

Hi LizB, I agree with you. It’s hard trying to manage with heavy blood loss. I’m prone to anaemia too so as well as being on iron tablets I need to ensure my diet is iron rich too as a lot of it is just lost.

Sue, your bs levels have dropped!!! RESULT!!!!! You will soon lose that 1.8 – it could be just water retention, so onward and up the revolution!!! 🙂

Hi Fran, Captainlynne has finished week 18 on the fast 800 as she wants to lose more weight so no reason for you not to do 12 weeks! Well done on your achievement so far – 8kg is a lot of weight to lose!!! 🙂

As you lose more weight and get more good health benefits your dad is going to get more interested – it will be fabulous if he joins you and loses his prediabetes status!

Onward and shrinkward – I can’t remember who coined that word but it’s great! 🙂

Week 2 weigh in after my fantastic loss of 6.8 kgs in week one I am sssoooo disappointed to see I have put on 1.8 kgs 😢😢. But, my fasting BSG’s have fallen to 5.8. Here’s to better results next week ☺

Halfway there at week 4- I had to buy new scales so I am not sure if the old ones were inaccurate but my weight is the same as last week. Still, I feel like I have lost more which is the main thing I guess. Also I can feel it in more of my clothes. I have lost 8kg in four weeks. I would love to lose another 8kg in the next four weeks but really would be happy with 5 🙂 At this stage I plan to continue the 800 calories a day for a further 4 weeks taking me to 12, then I will switch to the 5:2. I am now trying to get my dad to get on board as he has pre-diabetes. I think he would find it much easier as he eats meat. Will keep suggesting it to him. Also my BMI is now under 40 🙂

I am now on my 9th week and feeling great the compliments have come thick from close friends and people I meet in the street. I have spoken to my Doc. about it and he has given me the go ahead to continue as my sugar levels are improving and I need to lose more weight and I am a 71 year old so anyone can do it. Good luck to everyone.

I do hope some others chime in – I am at the start, so its really comforting to read about people who made it to the end! Congratulations to you all!

Your points are so thought-provoking, RodB. The ‘uncomfortable fight about being virtuous’ hits home already, others are very invested in what you do/don’t eat because they project emotions onto themselves as a result. I know I do/did. Being on the other side more and more these last years has been interesting. My mother nearly had heart failure at me when I suggested low carb as an inflammation fighting diet a while ago, got really vehement. I will just not mention it – she does have type 2 diabetes, so I really want to broach this subject, but softly-softly is called for I think. i will lend her my book after I have got to grips with the recipes I like.

and yes, the darn scales having a direct trigger on the days mood is super tedious!

Silver, glad to hear you and others say your skin looks better! I could do with that as a side effect.

Tania, I suggest sticking around on these boards for support as you work out how to plan your diet going forward! you should be super-proud of yourself, and your resolve to keep on top of things 🙂

Have a look at skinnymixers.com.au – lots of recipes that will fit into 800 calories. The cauliflower soup with chicken is GREAT!!

I will be finishing my 8 weeks in 5 day’s time. I have so far lost 11.5kg and am back in the healthy weight range. I have lost weight previously on weight watchers and always (rather rapidly) put the weight back on. So I am feeling rather nervous about what happens next for me. I have been looking into the book The Every Other Day Diet by Dr Varady (she was featured in Micheal Mosleys BBC documentary) and it looks like I will follow that for a while to keep the weight away. If anyone has any experience with this I would love to hear as I fear I might go overboard on the feed days and start putting weight back on.
Congrats to everyone over the 8 week mark. You should be so proud !!!

Vital stats: BMI 37.4 (good gravy! 🙁 it was 50.3 two years back, and pictures imply more than that before. getting there I guess.) Def. not sharing my weight with the world, but I will share my losses and BMI changes (when they’re worth sharing). I am not diabetic, but was insulin resistant and diagnosed with PCOS in my 20’s. Currently my BP/Chol is fine, not had a GTT for about 5 years, but passed the last one. Strong family history of type 2 and also autoimmune diseases.

Tendency towards anaemia, so I have to watch my iron levels, currently ferritin is 68. I also have inflammation issues (need one more marker to rise enough to get a rheumatologist referral) so it will be interesting to see if this regime decreases my random joint pains (no visible swelling or damage/deformity – pain isn’t enough for a referral, you gotta LOOK like you have arthritis too! grr!).

Plan: two weeks of shakes and one cooked meal, to get past the craving phase without having to faff about in the kitchen too much. I know from past experiences that after two weeks I will be ready to kick shakes – but I may rotate in my favorite protein shake (not a VLCD though, so I can’t use it for most-of-my-meal replacement) for occasional breakfasts – it is convenient and not particularly sweet (unlike VLCD ones. ugh. I’m still carb addicted and think they’re sickly… )

Method: Weekly weight change. Plus minor updates/blog about how I’m going, what I ate, cries for help, requests for internet equivalent of a good slapping across the chops and a good shake.

yesterday went ok, shakes horrid, I had more coffee than I really should have, but also drank so much water and peppermint tea, so not concerned about fluid balances. headache showed up early evening. I made myself some panfried haloumi and added a quarter of a shredded cabbage which I sweated down in the pan with some water and butter, added a heap of cracked black pepper. I also had 30g of salted nuts.

I learned that haloumi is definitely not something you want more than 30g of (I had to have 60g to make up calories – even the dog wouldn’t eat the bits I couldn’t manage). Cabbage was lovely though, one of my fave veg sweated down in a pan with butter, salt and pepper (don’t add salt if there’s haloumi around – glad I remembered not to!)

went ok. sneaky look at scales showed weight had gone up, my fault for looking. I must restrain myself for a few days. I am a cyclical loser – not much one week, good loss the next type. Its a bit demoralising. Must just carry on. Might measure waist tonight to help.

so far today a coffee (I have no sweetener and a dollop of milk, try to only have three a day. before you faint, that’s me cutting down…) a big glass of water with a berocca (fizzy vitamin) and a shake. Tonight i am going to experiment with a vegetable spiral thing and a zucchini for dinner. Protein will be cottage cheese on the side. I might add some tomato passata to the zucchini. Be VERY careful of tomato/pasta sauces, most have sugar added! passata in the bottles is usually just tomatoes and citric acid, always read the label!

I am doing this as the final push to get down to an acceptable weight – I want to get out of the obese into overweight category, that is my goal. 20kg will do it. I have learned that carb craving builds up if you let it, so am accepting the fact that the med style of eating will be the way going forward, sadly for me and my devotion to toast. I shall have to find some other means of transporting peanut butter into my gob 😛 (when I have the calories for it, not right now, caveat) Lets get this over with! Quietly determined but not ‘pumped’ and enthused. I know this is hard work, and I also know most of my battlefield is in my head.

Hi Peggy,
What I did in the first week was make a massive pot of minestrone soup which was only 250 cal for a big bowl – there is a recipe on this website. That way whenever I was hungry I had something filling and healthy at hand!. You can do this. Think how proud you will be when that first 5 kilos has gone – I am on week 4 day 3 and have lost 4 -5 kilos so I am pretty happy with that. Take care. Lucyjane

Thanks Hashimoto. I haven’t really got into mindfulness but agree it might be time to do so. The other motivator for me (given no scales) is taking a photo at start of each week. Believe me this has stopped family in their tracks. I am significantly smaller. In fact, dropped from dress size 22 down to 16-18. I am soooo impressed with this diet.

KatieB – I think you have to have confidence that the significant weight loss is likely having the desired effect.
I’m guessing you are already noticing many improvements in body and soul?
I am also 3 weeks in – just hit the 1 stone mark and my Dr is aware of BSD, but not in favour of measuring fasting blood sugar because of its variability it seems. There are also financial considerations.
After my prescribed chat with the practice nurse, and sparking her interest in BSD, we agreed a retest after the 8 weeks, rather than their standard of 3 months for HbA1c, on the basis that there should be a notable difference. And if not I’ll have lost a ton of weight and be feeling hugely better anyway.
I bought a Tanita weighing/body fat machine for more insight into what was happening to my body and it’s doing the support. You could buy a blood sugar testing kit off Amazon – it’s what will inform and motivate you, I guess in terms of monitoring and priorities.