Hashimoto, you are probably right, if nothing else a petition should help raise the profile of the BSD. It would be great if Dr M started one, but as that is very unlikely perhaps we should be doing it instead – and in some ways that carries more weight, as we are testament that this diet works.

You have my backing if you want to start the petition.

Loads of clothes emerging from my ‘second’ wardrobe. I refused to get rid of them just because I had grown out of them. Now I have ‘new’ clothes to wear and no guilt as they cost me nothing!

Hi again Nalin P
One of the hardest tasks you have is convincing your doctor that this will work – at the moment
Go back after your 8 weeks with your results, he will listen then.
There is then a chance that he will recommend this lifestyle to other patients so You may end up helping a lot of peole without ever knowing it.
Keep us posted with your results.

Nice one Bill

I wonder if your sliced meat used some kind of pure sugar, maybe molasses or honey or maybe just sugar! – during the curing process? I don’t eat that kind of meat so I’m guessing, but its generally a more processed meat isn’t it, so some extra sugar based ingredients must have been added to an otherwise carb-free food.

OK I’ve fired the first shot by posting this on another forum I use

“Heard on the news today that the government are going to start diabetic bootcamps where they want to give nutritional advice to up to 100000 pre diabetics (blood sugar in the 6 – 7 range)
The trouble is, they are going to spout the same old drivel about eating low fat and taking the meds.
This has never worked and it never will.
on Feb 1st I started the 8 week blood sugar diet by Dr Mosely which is based on the research done by Professor Taylor at Newcastle University
In 7 weeks I’ve lost 23 pounds and my sugar levels are now within normal parameters, my eye surgeon said last week that my eyes are as good as they have been since I first saw her and the numbness in my feet is starting to go away, and it’s not just me, there are hundreds of people on the support forums having the same, and better success as me.
The diet is simple and it works without you feeling hungry would you believe
The book is available from Amazon and costs under £4 but, instead of sending a copy to every type 2 diabetic in the country, the government will waste millions doing it the old way and it won’t work, it never has yet.
So our great leaders who seem to be obsessed on saving money from health and benefits, are about to squander a fortune on it.

Any T2D’s who are interested, just Google the 8 week blood sugar diet.”

Let’s see if I get any response.

What sunnyb said! Your body is still healing so don’t be too strict with your calories. If you keep your carbs under 50g you should still lose fat.

Who knows what we could achieve unless we try, nothing ventured nothing gained? I’d support a petition. The person who might be able to have some impact is Dr M and if he had a petition of even a few thousand behind him, it might help make the case.

Go for it Judith
you know I’ll give it as much support as I can.
I’ll do my bit and push the diet on a couple of forums I use and try to spread the word on FB and Twitter.
Dunno whats up with me today, been doing paperwork and databases since 7 this morning and keep making schoolboy errors.
Great example, I have just typed this twice as first time I had the caps lock om

DOH

Hi All, I went to see my Dr yesterday and his initial (and as I expected) reaction re me to go on BSD was skeptical. He admitted he was not too much an expert on diabetes and best way to manage such a diet. He just suggested worth talking to the diabetes dietitian. However he was happy for me to go on the Diet and see how it goes and check back in a month or so!!! . So that’s a positive start. I have nearly prepared my weekly menu and now want to get the bank holiday weekend over as I will no doubt indulge a little. Over the past week or 2 I tried several days on trialing BSD menu items to get a feel of it and reaction during the day. It was fine! Now setting target date of Next Friday to Start and getting very motivated!!!

BSM keep the motivation and focus and try to eat healthy food and cut the sugar and carbs. It will help you prepare, Regards

Hi Bill and Sunnyb that was my first thought too. If I started a petition I would also facebook it. It gets peoples attention. We may not get it heard by the government – but then few petitions get that far. This may get more people trying the diet and as a consequence more people to make a noise in their surgerys.
I know we won’t get the 100,000 but we may get others on this path?

What do you think?

Thanks sunnyb I will take you up on that if I go ahead 🙂

I fear Bill might be right about the 100,000 signatures. On the other hand, you have 6mths to gain those signatures and there are probably many out there who are thinking as we do, that throwing money at the problem in the way proposed is not the way to go, so success might well be in the wording of the petition.

Hashimoto, if you want to start a petition on this I will support it and will happily supply an email address if you need it to get it off the ground.

Hi Mrsjaffa13
Okay, well firstly you’ve done well so far, 12lb in 2 weeks is a great result. However, if your surgery was recent and you are still technically recovering, you should probably be kind to yourself and not try to do the 800cals per day immediately. If this is the case, maybe in the short term, rather than trying to follow the 800 cals a day, how about just keeping an eye on your carb in take, keeping it around 50g per day and eat plenty of protein rich foods, good fats and fresh veggies. The protein and fat will help you to feel fuller longer. By keeping carbs low, you will probably lose some weight anyway.

As for lunch ideas, take a peek at the ‘what have you eaten today?’ thread, where people post what they have been indulging in. Meanwhile a few ideas are, omelette (can have with various fillings), gem lettuce leafs with various toppings – cheese, smoked salmon, cold meats etc, coconut flour pancakes with toppings – could be savour with cheese or meat, or sweet with fruit and yogurt, but there are lots more ideas on the thread. Always use full fat yogurt by the way and be sure to weigh/measure everything

Good luck with it and let us know how you get on.

Judith I don’t think we could get anywhere near 100000 signees at the moment, and I don’t think you’ll get much support from the diabetes association forums.
Possibly best to keep haggling away at your GP’s and nurses, they are the ones at the sharp end so they should be making all the noise.

Hi yes I think we should go for it.

Bill, lynne, sharon,sunnyb and sos shall i get a petition going? 🙂

Hi everyone, I completed two weeks and then had an op and went off the rails, am now back on track but struggling and feeling hungry! Have just eaten some sugar free mint gum to stop me reaching for the chocolate! I have lost 12 lbs so far and need to lose another 21 lbs so want to keep going. Any tips for meals that keep you full for long, am fine with breakfast but lunch is hard as run out of ideas!

Also strange but weight hasn’t gone from my middle yet , but everywhere else! 🍴

Sorry, it’s off the list because of the carb content, being free of additives won’t change that.
We have been using alternatives such as coconut flour and gram flour flatbreads which are far healthier but no substitute for the sliced daily I’m afraid.

For many, many years I have made all our bread. Now I wonder how it stacks up against the commercial kind.
Ok, it’s made of flour and must be on the prohibited list for carbs, but, as it is free of any kind of additive, does this make a difference?
I shall be reducing my intake but would still value any observations you may care to make.

If you tell everyone that you’re not eating any chocolate this Easter, hopefully they’ll help you stick to it – more for them!

Remember that although you’ll probably enjoy eating it at the time, you’ll feel bad about it for much longer afterwards – and every time you get on the scales for even longer than that.

Could you have your own special Easter treat instead of choccie? Fancy scented toiletries, a pot plant, new book etc.

I have a separate email its aztec1.sr@gmail.com

Hi Chezza, thank you! All those options are totally affordable! Thank you xxxxxx

Great idea SOS! I’ll write to mine too. Let the revolution begin! 🙂

I thought of that as well lynne, i tried to start a petition about funding cuts to pharmacies ( someone got their supporters signed up before me) It’s hard to get 100,000 signatures before the 6 month cut off. A few of us would need to get each others emails to start it. I will have to do what bill did and get a separate email address to post. Only uk residents can sign up
.let me know if you think we should start a government petition 🙂

Hey guys
I’m just a tubby, not on the diabetic spectrum, but like you I shook my head when I hear the news on the planned new pre-diabetic programme. On Breakfast on BBC this morning, there was someone who had been on the pilot scheme and from what she was saying, the diet plan is the same as the government has been promoting for years, so no change to our new way of thinking. Like you, I can see this whole thing being a costly disaster, unless someone at the top sits up and listens.

I’d be very happy to sign a petition to get this reviewed in Parliament, but unless their top level medics will listen to sense, then a change of plan seems unlikely. Having said that, if it’s not tried, how do we know?

Fantastic weight loss TWills63! If you look at my profile I was hoping to lose 2 stones. I didn’t really believe it was possible but have lost 2 stones and 6lbs! This will work for you too 🙂

Hi

Just checked about online petition. It is 10,000 signatures needed.

The site is https://petition.parliament.uk

Just had a quick look (got to go out in a minute) and whoever starts a petition has to answer ‘what do you want us to do?’ Then the email addresses of 5 supporters are needed. Whoever starts a petition needs to live in UK.

Back later

Hi Natasha the scales I use are digital and were bought from tesco a few years back. As I recall they were less than a tenner and are accurate even now. Tesco are advertising on google 3 different lots of scales one for £7.00 one for £8.40 and weight watchers ones for £15. Asda are also advertising for glass scales at £10.00. Hope this helps.

Hi all

I am with you on this one. I don’t see my diabetes nurse till early June, haven’t seen her since January so she should see the difference in my bloods.

How do we go about getting an on line petition started?

Hi, just wondering if anyone could recommend bathroom scales that are accurate and not expensive (I am in the UK). Thanks!

Yeah charliebee38
myself, cherrianne, and a few others experienced this typically in week 4.
the sugar readings seem to stay a little haywire for up to a fortnight before settling down but some have had a second lot of high readings.
It’s nothing to worry about too much, explained as your body getting rid of stored sugar.
Hang in there. the readings will come back down.

And write to our individual MPsThey are duty bound to respond and if enough of them are hearing about this diet they might just start joining the dots, even letters to newspaper editors who might be interested in the financial aspects.

Welcome guys
You have both had a great start to the plan.
Easter is just another obstacle to overcome, we all know that putting chocolate in our mouths is bad, so why do it.
Got to admit it’s a lot easier to resist after about week 4 as the cravings have gone and the sight of the stuff does nothing for you.
Just like a holiday can be enjoyed without alcohol. it can be enjoyed without sugar

Can another activist sign up? *waves a large BSD flag high*

Later today I’ll look for email addresses for those folk Judith and send off letters. I was just thinking about those online petitions – you know the ones, get (I think) 10,000 signatures and it has to be heard in Parliament. I wonder …..

I’ve been beating the BSD drum with my diabetes nurse as you know. I’ve got an HbA1c due mid-April, then an appointment with said diabetes nurse. I’ve been thinking of offering to speak tothe docs (but it seems our practice is staffed by locums!) but could offer to speak to diabetics in the practice.

Got someone coming to speak soon who works for NHS and she’s not seen me since just after I started this. Her role is talking to people about healthy lifestyles, including healthy eating. Mmmmmm ….. Could be having an interesting conversation their 😃

Seem to be reading a lot of articles lately about folk low-carbing. Eddie Izzard said that during his 27 marathons in 27 days he ate high fat low carb, a complete about turn on conventional marathon pasta parties. And just read today that chef Tom Kerridge has lost weight by giving up alcohol and going low carb.

Wouldn’t it be great if the powers that control all the finances would listen so this could be rolled out at every GP practice. Then at least those who are prepared to make changes and help themselves would have the tools to do so. How often do we hear that they want us to be proactive in our treatment? Well, let them put their money and their actions where their mouth is.

Hi TWills 63 – wow, you’re doing great!

Great ideas Libby and zebbie. Might just have to try them when my granddaughters visit soon 😃

I’ve just been researching food labels. Well, yes, ok, food shopping.

I picked up a pack of sliced meat that looked interesting, turned it over to check the ingredients and nutritional values. Then I did a ‘double take’ because the listing of nutritional values showed total carbs per 100g as almost zero, but sugars as a higher figure – I think it was about 3 (too surprised to write it down). How does that work?

The same store, famous for its quality sells cooked chicken, whole or portions, roasted in a sugar marinade. Why a sugar marinade?

And I bought some beef meatballs from that same store. This was the third time of buying them. First time everything was ok, second time I had an upset stomach but put it down to all the veg I had with them. This time I’ve again glad an upset stomach but didn’t have anywhere near as much veg, so checked the ingredients but can’t think what might be causing it. Ingredients are: British beef, rice flour, cracked black pepper, sea salt, preservative E223 (Sulphites), ground black pepper, antioxidant, ascorbic acid, ground ginger, dried pimentos. The label does show Sulphites as an allergen – anybody got any other ideas.

The last portion of said meatballs is finding its way into the rubbish bin. Note to self: do not buy them again 😳

If a Gnu (or Wildebeest) was to appear on the high street, most would run away, some would try to stroke it, and the WW members would be firing up the BBQ 😀

Since it appears to be delurking day then I will do the same 🙂 I’m almost at the end of week 1 and like the opening poster I also have a family history of diabetes and have been a yoyo dieter all my adult life. I have about 2 stone to lose but I’d be happy with 1! I snuck onto the scales this morning because I couldn’t resist and have lost almost 10lbs!

I second the thanks to the regulars here for the support and motivation.

Hi Hashimoto and thanks for the congrats, this really does feel like a new way of life.

I love the idea of piles of brown crap and will start visualising immediately 🙂
Luckily the adults in the family only buy eggs for the kids so I don’t have to negotiate that hurdle.

Hi Lynne, it is NEVER too early for that particular soap box!!! We are probably starting to say it in our sleep anyway lol 🙂

Hi misssay. Sorry, I missed that😱

Should read ‘staying on this’.

Although drawing on gnus could be interesting- as long as no gnus were harmed 😃

Hi Charlieb, look at cherrieann’s and Bill1954’s post re this problem of blood sugars – it will bring you relief! 🙂

Hi NewLife, can you start visualising chocolate eggs as a pile of brown crap? Full of sugar. Out to get you. Enemy number 1? The destroyer of all your new life is about?

In a couple more weeks you wouldn’t even be tempted. You may find you are not now.

If you know someone is likely to buy you an egg could you ask them to buy you a bag of nuts, seeds, tub of coconut oil……anything that you can eat which isn’t chocolate?

BTW brilliant first week weight loss!

hmm – i seem to have hit a slow spot . I’m in week 6 now and lost 6lbs so far, I just need to loose one more to get to a 4stone loss in 2 years , but more disconcerting is my bs’s are going up. 12 this morning 🙁 I’m eating the same stuff and exercising alot so not sure what’s going on.
The good news is is that i’m booked in for a c-peptide test so hopefully be able to get to a definitive diagnosis!

Had a couple of trolls already SkyWalker
they’re so pathetic they stand out like sore thumbs and usually are made to vanish withing a couple of hours of posting. 😉

Thank Bill,

You guys have all been so much help to me all the encouraging and supportive post have really kept me going. I was feeling really anxious when I made the decision to do this diet until I started reading the forum. I want to help and support others like you guys all did for me. The more people that do the BSD the better I say.

Hey guys, don’t give up
If you stick to 800 cals and keep the carbs below 50g / day, and keep up the fluid intake then you have to lose weight, it would be almost impossible not to.
Try checking your carb intake and if you can cut it a little more and get those calories from extra fat, that may help.

Tinforest
I endorse ay caramba’s final comment – may the inches and weight fall away!
Good luck xx

Hi everyone,

I’m in my second week of this gorgeously-healthy eating plan, having lost 8lb in the first week, and I thought it was time I delurked 🙂

I want to thank everyone who posts, I’ve found so much inspiration and encouragement here.

I’m not diabetic but I’m high risk with a strong family history and I have about 3st to lose. I’m a sugar addict/binge eater and I’ve yo-yo dieted my whole life. This feels like a new dawn to me – my cravings are less, there’s a pkt of choc digestives in my kitchen and I’ve not really felt tempted by them: unprecedented for me. Usually, if it’s there, I eat it.

I do have concerns about the choc-fest that is next weekend. I’ll be spending the w/e with family, kids, easter egg hunts, choc galore. There will also be carb-heavy meals I won’t be in control of – a bit of a worry but I can probably negotiate those. My main worry is the chocolate. Does anyone have any tips on how to stay strong?