Happyyslappy, your post is remarkably similar to a previous poster’s who seemed to be pushing the same line; so similar a line I suspect you are the same person. For what reason would you sign up to a forum following this diet if you don’t have any belief in it, unless of course you had your own agenda.

If you bothered to read the information you would discover that this diet also works for diabetics who are TOFIs.

As. Cherrieanne has already said, you seem to be ignorant of the fact that Dr Mosley’s book is based on the work of Professor Taylor. Bill has questioned whether you are a member of the medical profession specialising in diabetes – I doubt you are too. Have you carried out years of clinical trials like Professor Taylor? I very much doubt it.

So please stop pouring scorn on something you clearly do not understand. There are people on these forums making enormous changes to their health and they do not need your negativity.

If Bill hadn’t reported your post I most certainly would have done.

Thanks Bill and Cherrieanne for replying to happyslappy’s post. I have just woken up and seen it.

Hi Lucia,
Well I’m not sure I can touch my toes but I can see them now at least! The changes I have noticed are quite odd, like I notice (and hubby noticed) my shoulders are thinner. Also I mentioned feeling the outline of a hip bone. Someone else mentioned boots and I too noticed my knee high boots were slacker around the calves. So not sure if it’s anyone’s desirable body image but thin shoulders and calves are a start. The wobbly tummy remains but I think there’s less of it, in fact it measures 4inches less than when I started .

Hi Guys
A few of us with more weight to lose are staying on the fast 800 until we reach target.
Lynne contacted the team about this and the reply was, if you are feeling good about it, then by all means stay on it for a few more weeks I’m thinking of looking at the 5:2 once I hit my initial target , I’ll probably stay low carb (50 – 70 grams per day) and increase the calories from extra fat. I think maybe 1200 cals / day should do it but that can be modified.
Once I hit final target, it will then be experimental on how I maintain it but the Med style of eating suits me anyway and that’s the way I think I will go.

Hi FoFi
you are the kind of person we all love to see,a non diabetic who is doing something to prevent it’s onset.
If only the message could be put across at school age about eating the right way, we could take massive steps towards making diabetes a thing of the past.
Knowledge is power, we need to get the message out to our kids to help them all to a brighter future.

Hi Proodles – nice to see you
now we want to see less and less of you each week.
Well done on the preparation, that should help with the carb withdrawal problems.
Enjoy your journey, you’re not alone.

Hi Cherrianne

Thanks for that. It makes sense, because I’ve had problems with shellfish for a long time, but never knew why. As for wine! Don’t drink alcohol at all now, but the last time I had wine was on a transatlantic flight and I didn’t know if I was dying or if I just wanted to!

Matrika, no I’m not diabetic, and hopefully if the weight keeps dropping I am less likely to become diabetic. I can see that those with a worse diagnosis than mine might be more motivated.

My cravings have calmed down quite a bit and I am going to point my finger at Diet Coke (presumably the aspartame). When I started Fast800, for the first four weeks I allowed myself one diet coke per day occasionally two, as I had always drunk it (possibly to excess), and I don’t drink tea or coffee. Over the last few weeks the number has crept up so that last week it was more like 3-4 drinks per day.

Anyway DC free since last Thursday and cravings for food have subsided again. I still long for things I can’t have, but not as strongly. So far none is easier to stick to than one.

Oh Lynne I’m so sorry you had to go through yesterday alone.
Especially when I think of all the kindness and support you have shown to me over the last few weeks.
Hoping everything works out for you
Loads of love

Bill

Thanks Grandma. It’s felt like being wrapped in a big hug so, yes, it has helped. 😃 A good (but too short) sleep and today is, as they say, another day 😃 . *wanders off, singing ‘Always look on the bright side of life’*

Way I see it there are loads of people most of whom we don’t even know exist, who come to these forums out of desperation.
They may not post, but on average only 20% of forum visitors do
For someone to come on here (and this is probably organised) to bad mouth the diet and try to crush peoples expectations for no other reasons than financial ones is the lowest form of internet behaviour in my eyes.

I am already sleeping better and feel generally better so I can see this works. My tummy is reducing too. This Saturday will be the end of week 3 with a blip in the middle and I am 9 pounds down from where I started. As I am still having a small amount of porridge with milk and honey for breakfast I am really pleased.
My younger sister who has been type 1 since the age of 5 has now developed heart problems. I will continue to talk about this way of eating.

Hi Libby.

I’ve got the same problem and googled it. Apparently some people do react in this way to vegetables 😱

Thanks for your restraint Bill, especially at breakfast time 😃

Looks like sulphites do it for me too 😱

Welcome proodles,
You will be so glad you started this new way of life. Expect great results fairly quickly. Your energy levels will increase and you’ve already discovered that your well being improves.
Can’t wait to hear how the journey unfolds for you

Hi, I have had a similar problem to Bill with sugar free sweets. I have eaten them in the past with little impact (except once when I ate two packets). But now a smaller quantity seems to be a larger problem. I don’t know if it is the lower carbohydrate or lower overall food intake. Most of my time on this diet I tend towards mild constipation.

Is there anything obvious you are eating like mints, prunes, etc?

Aly is back in da house !!!
Well done, now we all want to see you posting great weekly results.
We know you can do it. You know you can do it

Roll on next week. 🙂

Thanks Bill. Reported too.

Tell your GP to stick the Metformin where the sun don’t shine!
I’ve been taking them for a good time and they have never helped with my fasting readings. Same with gliclizide, I was on them for a few years until I refused to take them any longer as they made me feel so ill.
I have now dropped the exanatide injections and, after a blip, my levels are stabilising again and that is down to only one thing, the way I’m eating. I’m now on course to stop the metformin altogether and, today, have halved my dose.
You have made a brilliant start to this with a great weight loss.
Stop worrying too much about the sugar readings, they will sort themselves out over the next few weeks.

Thank you so much Libby and SunnyB for your replies.
I’m big on following rules so I have been slavishly following Michael Mosley’s guidance on pages 128 / 129 as to how to use shakes, but unfortunately he doesnt specify what shakes. But maybe it doesn’t matter (though I would be interested Libby to know where you got your sachets as I have been using those pre-prepared in bottles) because today I weighed myself again and have lost 2 kg and 1/2 inch of my waist! Why do we do this to ourselves? And how can our bodies fluctuate so much??
So today I am feeling so much more positive, though with Easter approaching I am also going to take up Sunny B’s suggestion and eat real food over the Easter period and hopefully the combination will keep me going in the right direction.
Thank you both for spurring me on.

Lots of horse meat sold in Italy too. Not tried it yet.

Hi Fatty (soon not to be)
I take the slow release tablets, 2 twice a day.
Well I did, I cut it to 1 this morning and will do the same from now on, sugar levels permitting.
This is my main goal, it’s lovely to lose the weight but my main aim is to get those levels down and be med free.
I refuse to let this disease be the end of me.

Well done Aly, perseverance pays off. Now you are back to good health there will be no stopping you. Can’t wait to hear how the rest of your 8 weeks go 🙂

ROFLMAO
Lucia you’re doing great and you have a brilliant sense of humour.
Keep it up hun amd keep posting, I love your attitude to this whole thing.

I can think of a few other ways to say it Libby although maybe not ways I would post on here 😉
Constipation seems to be the most common side effect of this way of eating but I must admit to having the (trots) a couple of times.
Mainly when I tried a packet of sugar free sweets that had me running like an olympic sprinter.
Advice I got years ago was to not eat anything too rich and have cold drinks instead of hot. It works for me.

Well said Bill 🙂

Hi Sue
I’m on slow release Metformin too
Although I’ve lost a good amount of weight up to now, I haven’t lost as much or as fast as some others (23lb at last weighday)
I did have problems after week 4 with blood sugar levels too, but now in week 8 it all seems to be stabilising again.
Stick with it, I’m proof it does work on this medication.

Hi not so Fatty,
What a good thing you didn’t go to Brussels! Enjoy your weekend break in Luxembourg, I can see why you’d want to come home. So much unrest in Europe and no help from the politicians it seems.
The metformin xr will almost certainly be slowing down the release of stored sugar from your liver, if you were on the normal one you could have tried dropping the morning dose.
Once the liver starts to release that sugar, many of us have experienced very erratic levels usually the fasting one, and the day time ones are ok.
The rising fasting blood sugar levels thread does have a lot more info. and will give you an idea of how long it lasted for everyone else.
All the best from cool, definitely autumnal SA. The leaves are beginning to turn colours in the hills but down on the coast at Pt Willunga yesterday my Mum and brother were swimming with dolphins 🙂

Happyslappy I take it you are a medical professional who specialises in Diabetes ?
No ?
Thought not.
Where do you get off coming onto a support forum for a diet that is helping thousands of people and bad mouth it.
As Cherrianne says you are in the same boat as a previous poster, coming on here to push your own agenda.
Post reported as it makes no useful contribution to the forums.
Keep the trolls out.

Hello everyone!
Im enjoying reading everyone’s honest stories about the BSD diet.
I have just started the diet and on my third day.
I have been a type 2 diabetic for 11 years. I had always been able to control my BSL until I fell pregnant with our second child.
This diet has to work for me. I want to achieve my goals desperately.
I’m not a huge sweet tooth but I do crave savoury snacks. Like biscuits and cheese!
For the past fortnight before I started this diet I gave up most carbohydrates and have already felt a huge difference in my general wellbeing. I don’t feel sick all of the time.
Anyhow I thought I would post a bit about myself and the beginning of my journey so that not only do I feel more accountable but I can hopefully receive some solid advice.
😀

Another pound off so back to where I was before going off piste! It begins here.

We are having the same thoughts. I think this is our week 8 (lost count). My partner is now in the healthy BMI so needs to stop losing really and I am nearly there. We didn’t have a lot to lose at the start, just wanted to be healthier.
We think we will eat the same way, just add a bit more maybe, and restrict the carbs. I am definitely against adding sugar, for me, fruit is as sweet as I want it to get. Also bread, pasta, etc is probably going to be a no no for me. I feel so much better without it.
However, having said all that, if we go out somewhere special, we will have a treat I think.

Yay, great thread idea!

I got my favourite jeans back on, and they were comfortable:-)
I don’t obsess about food anymore. I used to think about the next meal while I was eating, and snack constantly.
Partner is now in the healthy BMI range, I am teetering on the line.
Have incredible self control when everyone at work is eating donuts!!

Hello Everyone… I have just take an hour and read through this thread… very interesting stuff… I have been diagnosed for 16years… and I am just on week two now. I will say that over the last ten years I have slowly dropped 20kg. But now have decided to crack the whip and rid myself of the belly weight.

Our body is an amazing machine… it has evolved to protect us well from period of famine. We have lived our lives in a time of plenty and clogged things up a bit!!!… that said…. One factor I am aware of is that BSL fluctuates constantly… a reading is a snapshot, and helpful, but not all we should worry about… it rises at any stress – even being beeped at in the street can give you a spike… so feeling distressed or anxious about a reading may intact skew that reading. Being a bit sick or snuffly can also raise it… thats how the body fights – needs more energy – releases stores… HbA1C reading are an average of the last three months – but not a direct average of your BSL readings… they are a much better indication of where your at long term…

Damn complex machines that, we realise now, are poorly understood are hard to manage!!!…. I miss food!!!.

Bill you are an inspiration… Will be very interested in your cutting back and eradicating metformin…. are you of the controlled release stuff or straight up??…

Great results Bill and well deserved. It can only keep getting better from now on 🙂

Hmm, you seem to be pushing the same barrow as a previous poster! Maybe you’ve returned under a different user name? Ignoring the results published by Prof Taylor, whose work Dr Moseley based his book on. The results were replicated by the CSIRO in Australia in a different study, and recently published. I think the narratives on here speak for themselves and it’s only early days yet.
“There’s none so blind as those who will not see….”

Hi Cherrianne,
Sorry for being slack… I worked almost all of my professional life in Perth – so no I don’t think our paths would have crossed i that life… and I have to say it is a handicap having not worked in the state I live in (most of the time) because I don’t have the inside drum on the who is good in the medicos department….(SAD FACE)… never the less it is nice to go out and not come across former or current clients and have to negotiate that…. I am hopping over to the Rising blood sugar levels thread to have a look as you suggested… bel up a little this am…for not dietary or lack of excursive reason??.. Going well here. You?? off to Luxembourg for the easter break… luckily our first choice…Brussels… had no good train connections… phew!!!…. brings it all very close to home…. and now I want to GO HOME more than ever!!!… x

Poop if that really is the case… then thats what I am in for… Lucky I am not weighing myself… decided that the reason I am doing this is to correct blood sugars… so am letting blood sugars bey indicator not weight…. Hmmm…. well I will have to research getting off MetforminXR

I am impressed that you can fit porridge into this eating regime… there is no way I could fit a bowl of oats into the restricted carbs…. well done you….

One thing I try and keep in mind is…. we are all doing this to make our lives healthier…. if you slip yuo on one day or even a few – its OK – just get back on the horse the next day……xxxxx
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I got some at Aldi that are fine.

Aldi is good for basics in Australia too…I shop there because storewide they have products with no food dyes…here their large bags of Australian nuts are good value and they stock avocado oil, organic butter and a lot of staples at really reasonable prices by our local standards.

Many organic groceries I used to have to buy at a health food store I can now get at Aldi. Not organic veggies unfortunately.

Today is day 3 week 1 and from yesterday I started having diarrhoea. Today it is much worse. I assume it is because of all the veggies that we’re having.
Anyone else having the same issue and does it relent in time? (And I mean soon)
Good weight loss trick though!!!!!

cheers
Libby

Hi Grandma48
Glad you liked the app my dentist nurse passed it onto me…I am new to it as i said but it is great to help motivate and keep us all on track.
I liked that you could add any exercise…haha…and everything is just sorted for you.
Did you find the circle pie chart? shows you the amount of carbs, protein , fats etc ratio.

Hi Lynne,
It could be the sulphites affecting you. They can cause cramps and diarrhoea in people sensitive to them. Also respiratory symptoms.
If you have asthma or have taken penicillin a lot in the past you are more likely to be affected. My sister has sulphite sensitivity and has to be careful with dried fruits, processed meat, wine and shellfish.

That’s great Lynne, she won’t be able to ignore the evidence of her own eyes.
It will be hard to get anyone on board if it means going against government policy but I’m hoping the OPAL lady will know who or where to start the ball rolling with.

Thanks Mary, I will remain blissfully unaffected as I only eat chicken breast which I have cooked myself and fish. The rest of my protein is veggie!

Hi captainlynne – you have been such tremendous support to everyone else, I do hope that these messages of love and support will help you. Tomorrow is another day and hopefully yours will run on a more positive note.
Love and thanks for all your support to us all

Hi Patsy,
For many of us that hungry feeling is a new experience. I used to graze my way through the day. Now I very rarely snack between meals. The urge just isn’t there anymore.
Welcome Jude and WIG, you can get the most volume of food for your 800 cals by heaping salads and leafy veg on your plate. Make sure you eat full fat, even adding a teaspoon of butter or oil to your veg will help you to feel full. The fat really does make a difference.
As you won’t be eating so many carbs you won’t be getting the insulin/ blood sugar spikes so hunger isn’t a problem. It only takes a few days for the hungry feeling to pass, and within a couple of weeks the sugar/ carb cravings will be gone 🙂

Hi Lynne and Janet,

It is astounding that most of the processed meat products contain sugar- or dextrose, or some other variant of sugar! I looked at this some time ago when I was wanting to cut out sugar. The ONLY ones I found without sugar were CooP own brand smoked Brunswick ham, and Waitrose German Brunswick ham. Even those have sulphites. The CooP one has only 16 cals per slice, the Waitrose one is 26cals a slice. ALL of the chicken varieties had sugar.
MaryR

Have to check out my local Aldi next time I’m over there. Thanks for that Judith.

Had a great horse steak in Feb in Spain – still often prescribed for those who are anaemic as it’s a great source of iron and extremely tasty to boot😁

Thanks Julia. 😃

Cherrianne, it will be same for our American friends when they start to come on board. All we can do is our best, beating the BSD drum whenever and wherever we can. Great idea about your local OPAL coordinator. Funnily enough, I’ve got someone coming soon who works for the NHS advising people on healthy lifestyles (food and exercise). Last time we met was just as I started this back in December. I think she might be surprised 😃