Hi All, this morning was my weigh-in day and also the beginning of week 4! I have lost another 1.5kg and finally finally my waistline woosh occurred: 2 inch off! I am really happy, success despite going out for dinner, having wheat bread with butter and a couple of wines during this week. I am hoping that week 4 will be just as good, but I am mindful of what everyone is saying. Week 4 could turn into a plateau week. Never mind, I will take as it comes, do my very best and deal with what ever the result will be next Monday. Hope you all had a nice Easter break so far. Dont forget to listen to M M’s radio interview on the Aussie ABC tonight …. Long live success and health to all!!!!! 🙂 🙂

We’ve got plenty of room for you here DJD. And answers, good advice and some fun too. You are right to take some time to get your head together. Once you are ready to start, you will find this a wonderful new way of life. Looking forward to reading about your progress! Its 12.45 am in England now so I’m off to bed! All the best to you and your husband

Hi Everyone, is there room for yet another Sth Aussie? I bought the book on Saturday and my husband and I are hoping to start the eating regime on Tuesday when we return from an interstate trip after spending the Easter weekend with family. I’m in research mode at the moment so have found reading this thread both educational and entertaining. I’m T2 and have been diagnosed for about 18 years. Firstly diet controlled (or not as it turned out) now I’m on slow release Metformin and Diamicron. I’ve had some success with controlling my sugars by restricting carbs but I’ve been doing it on my own and the weight has not come off. So I’m hopeful that this will be the answer. My husband is over weight but is not diabetic. He is very supportive and so we’re doing the journey together. I’m looking forward to reading and sharing your experiences along the way. Well done all for your journey so far….

Orchid,
We used to have Boots! In the 80’s, lol. The plan is to use the commercially available shakes so I will keep my eyes open for the low-carb/high-protein ones. Thanks for the tip!

jpscloud,
Thanks-will do!

hashimoto,
Thanks! I’m very lucky that my doc is open to a lot of things, if I bring him the research, lol.

Patsy,
Eggs are a go! Thank Goddess 👍🏻 The allergy is to a pretty specific protein that, thankfully, breaks down with cooking. So cooked veg is fine.

All, I appreciate your kindness.

Cheers,

Deb

Not sure if Micheal is watching these discussions…. but

In a couple of BBC shows, Michael discussed the differences in potato, rice and pasta when it is consumed as a precooked and cooled food (as opposed to eating it freshly cooked and hot).

If these foods are precooked and cooled then eaten later – it becomes resistant starch and does not cause sugar spikes and the carbohydrate value changes, also becoming prebiotic in nature. The university research was discussed.

Can precooked rice and potatoes be part of a low carbohydrate diet and used in the 800 BSD?

I have been using My Fitness Pal previous to starting the 800 calorie regime, however this app does not work for programmes under 1000 calories. Does anyone know of another app for this diet.

Just signed up– x

I found a stock I made on ham bone to be scrumptious and filling so it made me worry too. I searched online and was unable to make a definitive decision as to how many calories was in the stock. I use myfitness pal and would recommend it to anyone and they had a calorie count for ham bone stock so I used that one. I was adding kale and red lentil to it to further increase the bulk and fibre and turn it into a soup. Again delicious but when I counted the calories in red lentils it was horrifying. All carbs!!!

Thanks guys for your help it has motivated me even more 🙂

That’s fabulous news Sue! There is still so much that is experimental for all of us. I would have thought the opposite of porridge oats so that’s good to know.

By the way Rob, I love lattes and still have one pretty much every day. 15g of carbs. No cake though.

The laxatives worked – not a lot but enough.

Day 36 weight 10st 5lbs (-11lbs or 5 bags of sugar)
Blood sugar 12.3

Thanks for your suggestions, I was speaking to someone today who said that porridge can make some people constipated and I have been eating it most days recently. It might be a digestion issue or it might be that I need to drink a lot more fluid when I have it.

I’m going to be eating a lot of raw veg tomorrow and will try to fit one more drink into my day.

I’m feeling really tired tonight possibly because I had a very large tea (but not too naughty) – a tiny bit of cranberry sauce and a small spoon of Diabetic ice cream were the only naughty bits – no roast taties or Yorkshire puddings .

Patsy totally agree about scambled eggs done in the microwave, easy and filling 🙂

Brekkie – yoghurt with passion fruit.

Lunch – 2 egg omelette with bacon* and mushrooms

Dinner – chow mein (with no noodles and extra veg instead)

Drinks – 6 pots of tea (shared) and water.

*I’ve discovered bacon medallions. They’re just the round meaty part with no rind or fat and much thicker than a rasher. Good cut in strips for omelettes or diced in pea soup.

Hi jps, killing those stairs!! Fantastic! You must be so proud! And welcome to the hail club!

Patsy so good of hubby to remove temptation lol 🙂

I suspect the figure doesn’t really matter that much as long as it’s a fair bit less than we’re using, but in a book it’s not very helpful to say ‘keep the calorie count low’ and most people prefer a definite figure to aim for.

Hi christi, no reason why you can’t lose another two stones! 🙂

I bought low fat. It’s probably not much different and the best option until I can shop elsewhere.

I don’t think I’ve ever tried Greek yoghurt. Can’t think why not, other than habit. Perhaps I should give it a try, even if just out of interest.

My husband jokingly said he was helping me by eating all the biscuits we had in the house. Actually that is a big help – especially as he’s said we’re not buying anything else I shouldn’t be eating until my 8 weeks is up (7 to go!) We do have rice and pasta which he has along with whatever I’m eating, but I can easily resist that.

Hi Christi

You are being very hard on yourself there! I found a great website which really clarified things for me called diet doctor. I don’t think you are being too ambitious at all. With the right tools this is doable and I believe that between diet doctor and the bsd, we have the right tools. At last!

Hi, Deb.

I can see your allergies are going to make your meal planning a bit more tricky!

Are you OK with eggs? I was surprised how low calorie scrambled eggs and omelettes are and they make a satisfying meal – much more so than a bowl of cereal. Scrambled eggs done in the microwave are probably as easy as mixing up a shake.

Don’t forget to drink plenty, even though with the shakes you might not feel like you’d need to.

Hi callmedeb, welcome to the forums 🙂 It’s wonderful that you have your dr on board 🙂

We had hail! What a day.

My exercise during term time is to go up and down the staff staircase (three storeys) a few times at break and lunchtime – I noticed myself getting fitter really quickly – my (very unfit) starting point was basically total collapse at the top but after a week I noticed I could get to the top without having to stop, then the following week I could do two sets without having to stop, then three… now I can get to the top without being much out of breath too. Stairs are great!

I have a treadmill at home and got on it today for the first time in a while. In nice weather I’ll do some walking outside again too.

I noticed that too and I hate Greek yogurt as it’s too tart. I suppose you could put some stevia and berries to it to make it interesting.

Hi Janet 1973

I’m on my eighth week starting tomorrow and I’m only just getting the low carb thing durr! I am such an idiot, or just not savvy enough for this forum and iPad lark, so next week I will try and do very low carb to shift the last few pounds before I go to the doctors on Wednesday! Then I have a week in Tenerife for my birthday, I will come back and continue on the diet until I hit my target, I don’t know if I am being a bit ambitious but I would like to lose another two stone! Well thanks for making things a little clearer for rob, I have at least learned something again, it’s certainly been a learning curve for me in or ways than one! Cheers everyone, hope you all had a lovely Easter hols.

I tried to buy ordinary, plain full fat youghurt in our local – and big – supermarket. I could get all kinds of flavours, but they all had sugar in. I could get low fat and fat free and Greek full fat (and Greek low fat and fat free) and there were various versions of set yoghurts, but no plain, simple ordinary un messed about with, full fat yoghurt.

Hi CallMeDeb, welcome! I’m doing the real food version but I’ll be interested to hear how you get on with the shakes – please share your experience with us!

Hi Deb,
Welcome on board. I started with Shakes for 10 days. I was not doing it through a doctor and bought the ones I could get in Boots the Chemist in the UK. The first week although I lost weight, but not as much as others were and nothing off of my waist. I used it for 2 meal replacements a day and had a veggie meal (stir-fry or soup) in the evening. It made it easy to adjust to the 800 cals and I was sure I was not eating too much.
What I had not noticed was that the replacement meal shakes were quite high in carbs – which was why the no change in waist measurements. The following week I found one with higher protein content and lower carbs, oat based and carried on for a few days. I then dropped to one replacement meal (breakfast), soup for lunch and a cooked meal in the evening. By the third week I was cooking everything and ditched the replacement meals.
It was a good way to start – simple and avoids temptations of adding to the plate. Do have a good look at the nutrition breakdown of the Shakes and ensure they are no high carb as that will not hep you.
Good luck.

I struggled with the full fat idea, mostly because my old dieting philosophy was “get the most food for the least calories” so cutting out fat was the way to go – and that’s what “they” said, over and over again. Fat’s nasty, dirty and bad for you anyway, “they” said.

I still catch myself thinking low fat – I am so used to thinking “I can dry fry this” or “if I get the low fat version I can have twice as much”

No longer, though – the portion sizes come down but satiety goes up. 0% yoghurt is the work of the devil!

Hi rob, don’t worry, I. Often have a 2 egg omlette or 2 poached eggs, 2 medium eggs is only 132 calories, very liw carb and. Helps you feel fuller for longer.. You will get used to it.

If you like plainer food. An evening meal of a fried chicken breast with a pile of low carb veg is a good evening meal.

Which regiment did you serve with? My grandad and brother served with the green howards and my dad with the royal artillery 🙂

Hi, tomorrow for me is the start of week 4. I hadn’t realised you weren’t meant to weigh veg. I’ve always referred to my calorie counter book as they all add up! I’m my book spring greens are 20cals and 2g carbs per 3 heaped tablespoons. I’ve always added veg cals in.

I don’t mean to scare you but it does take a while to get your head around things. The book is based on 800 calories a day so if it says one egg, it means one egg. But if you are used to eating a lot of food, you might find it easier to try the 50g of carbs a day approach instead. For example, if a steak is 200 calories, you would only have 600 left if you follow the 800 programme. But if you follow the 50 grams a day of carbs program, you can have as much steak as you want because there are no carbs in steak. You still eat the same med style foods but count carbs not calories.

So its really a question of whether you can live with just 800 calories – many people can. But others might simply need more food than that. I can live with 800 if I have to but I prefer to count carbs because I can then have unlimited eggs, fish, butter, etc. I don’t have to weigh or measure everything.

Hashimoto, would love nothing more that to shake up Texas on this subject. It is needed … in more arenas than just this one!!!

Hello all!

I have been reading (most of) your forum posts and must say that I am inspired by your stories, struggles, and triumphs! I am also looking forward to joining your ranks starting tomorrow (Monday).

I am a Type 2 Diabetic, and I have my GP on board.

What we’ve decided to do is do the shake/meal replacement plus veggies option for at least the first week so we can see how my sugars react. This will also give me a good opportunity to set a meal plan for the following week. I also have major food allergies (nuts, most raw fruit & veg) that I will have to take into consideration so easing into it is the best option.

Has anyone else started off using the shakes/meal replacements? Any other tips would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Deb

Hi all,

Can anyone point me to where Dr Mosely says not to weigh greens? I love spring cabbage and I could eat it all day, but it doesn’t make sense to me that this would not count calorie-wise. Would love to think I could fill up on greens when the nibbles strike.

Thanks in advance.

Wow, this shows how little ( well nothing I know ) about food

So when the book says I can have a poached egg with avacardo I can have 2 eggs??

So the golden rule is 800 cal or 50gm is all I can eat?

Just looked at the 4 week menu and that makes me feel like I am going to be struggling

Hi

Anyone tried the Eat Water carb substitutes: Slim Rice, pasta & noodles. I split a packet 2 or 3 ways a day depending on what I’m eating. So, breakfast stirred in yoghurt with raspberries, tossed through salad, with eavening meat/fish & veg.

I run it through whisked eggs for omelette or scrambled. Nice with cream cheese & chopped bacon/tuna with wilted spinach. Cauliflower sauce over the penne with Parmesan is another. Endless… Regular movements guaranteed LOL

Hi aquatex, re the petition, is there something similar you could start back in the U S of A?
I think the US and Oz have similar problems re state and nation but you could start to rock texas!!! 🙂

Hi folks, we are now up to 68 signatures. Can we have more please?

Do we have anyone in northern ireland to put a mark on the map? 🙂

Hi rob,
Re breakfast:
*omlette
*fried egg and beans
*fritatta
*1 sausage with grilled tomato and mushroom
* fage yoghurt with a sprinkling of ground flax seeds and some raspberries
* you could even have soup
* aldi do little packets of nuts and seeds. That and small bowl blue berries
*2 rashers of bacon and 1 fried egg
* baked beans and small bowl of berries

There are all sorts of combinations, you don’t have to stick to the recipes in the book, just keep to 800 calories or the principles of the diet – i.e. Low carb

Hope that helps 🙂

Hi Rob, one of the best things you can do for yourself at this stage is get to know food a bit better. You don’t need to be a walking encyclopaedia but you do need to develop an understanding of what is good to put in your mouth. Generally the stuff you cook yourself is going to be better for you. So any meat including the skin, eggs as often as you like, as much fish as you can face. Plenty of full fat yoghurt, butter oils, nuts in moderation. Vegetables grown above the ground are better than those grown underground but onions, leeks and carrots aren’t really the enemies in the grand scheme.

Avoid all bread, pasta, rice, potatoes of any kind.

Find an on-line calculator that you like and consult it frequently about foods you don’t know the composition of. I use calorie king because it tells me about carb content. The nhs do a calorie counter which is quite good too, just google them. Porridge is ok but when carbs are important, its quite high.

It might all seem a bit geeky but you really do need to know the basics for yourself, it will make more sense of your weight loss (or any plateaus you experience) as you go on. Do this for yourself. Count your calories up to 800 or your carbs up to 50 grams or both. You can do this, but you do need to put your mind to it. (Write down everything you find out, then you only have to look for the info once!)

Ooof! I feel like a party crasher. Sorry for the confusion about not having mentioned that my measurement questions originated from the other side of the pond. Your responses are, however, most cordial and helpful, and I thank you for them. Christi, an additional thanks for the mention of the petition and the thread where I can find it. We could certainly use that here as well.

And, as for my Yankdom, as we say here at home: “I’m American by birth, but Texan by the grace of God.”

Cheers!

Thanks for this, Jandz, a really helpful link.

I only started on Tuesday but the best way I have found is as mentioned in the book, (if you haven’t read it you should) but I wait for as long as possible to eat – so have my brunch at 11-1230 ish – then have my dinner at about 6-630 – there seems to be room for a little snack as well ..

WIG

Thanks for the reply

I don’t understand what you mean by what I can eat

This is all new to me…I have never read a back of the packet before , I just used to eat the content..go for a run/gym and never give it a thought…

Is porrage good ( the oats one with the Scottish guy on the cover ) as the breakfast menus ( except for the poached eggs/beans with cheese are horrid(((

Week 2 tomorrow.. Help!!!!!!! Lol

Hi thanks for the reply

I until I started the diet had 7 lattes a week ( sometimes more ) every latte came with a muffin !
Then I would bake a cake twice a week
Loved potatoes, pasta and cereals ( oh and the Indians/Chinese meals )

It’s a hell of a journey we are going through, and I have promised my self that I will never over indulge again, but I am a guy who has to eat the packet of biscuits, all the Pringles, burger…etc and then have a banana and think I am ok cos I ate some fruit….only to find out bananas are a no no!!

I do want to wear my jeans and shirt and feel good again so that is a motivation

Dieting for chocolate…. Want to eat the biggest Easter egg!!

However with all that said, I will be mortified if I done that, so with your comments it helps

I am looking forward to the 5:2 diet once I get the weight I need…78-80kg

)) happy Easter

Hi guys

Have a look at these posts from the Fast800 forum, it’ll help you work out a daily plan…just click on the title What have you eaten today

https://thebloodsugardiet.com/forums/topic/what-have-you-eaten-today/

Thanks Hashimoto 🙂

Title should read carbs not cards – flipping predictive text

I am just starting to think about starting and wondering how to do this too! Do people work on a 200kcal breakfast and lunch plus a 400kcal dinner or what. Would like to see some typical days from experienced 800-ers. Any recommended posts or blogs for this?