LindaA thankyou so much for this. I will read on! Interesting how different countries tackle it. If need be I will go private to get more detailed readings (though I had fervently hoped never to have another fasting glucose test that was VILE).

I was just coming back on here to post this link:

https://heartuk.org.uk/health-and-high-cholesterol/cholesterol-tests—know-your-number

Which indicated I am (just) below the Total Cholesterol/HDL ratio which is considered high risk (6). They talk about triglycerides here too, so your post is timely as no mention of those yet. To be fair, I only spoke to the receptionist so far and she was just reading from screen and I think she’s new as she didn’t know what the blood sugar test was called.

Hey ScubaDo!

I’m sorry for jumping on your post but figured it didn’t make sense to start another one!

I am also about to embark on the BSD, as soon as the gastroenteritis has done one. On the plus side to that I haven’t eaten in 4 days so I probably won’t notice the reduced calories of the BSD lol 🙂

I am feeling positive but slightly nervous, I’m not sure with a job and 4 year old twins that only eat a diet of beige food that this is going to be successful but I’m crossing everything and wishing for the baywatch body! I like a challenge and this is definitely one!!!

Good luck to you and anyone else that takes up the gauntlet of challenge!!!
Tracey x

Hi JackieM,
Can I strongly suggest you get Dr Malcom Kendrick’s (UK doctor) ‘The Cholesterol Con’ and read it before seeing the doctor and definitely before you even consider statins.

I’ve now been doing strict low carb/Keto for nearly 2 years after losing 30kgs on the BSD. My total cholesterol is currently 7.4, my triglycerides are 0.4, my LDL is 3.9 and my HDL is 3.3. I’m not all all worried about my total or LDL numbers because they are just not that important. More important are your triglycerides/HDL ratio (0.12) and your Total/HDL ratio (2.2).

I know you guys in the UK don’t seem to measure your triglycerides, but that along with your HDL are really the most important numbers. Your insulin levels are also good to know as fasting glucose x fasting insulin divided by 22.5 = your HOMA IR score. (The calculation is a bit different for those outside Australia – just google HOMA IR). This is a great health risk indicator.

See http://www.thefatemperor.com/blog/2017/11/8/fat-emperor-live-and-unhinged-on-ketogeeks-podcast-lchf-keto-cac-longevity

Ivor Cummins also from the UK is brilliant on this stuff.

After my doctor saw my cholesterol numbers, she freaked out and suggested statins (which I politely told her where she could shove them!) and I suggested she send me for a Coronary Calcium Score which she duly did.

I’m sure she thought that my arteries would be blocked based on my numbers but the score came back a big fat ZERO!

The science just doesn’t back up the high cholesterol = heart attack theory any more. The science also shows that woman over 60 have a lower all cause mortality rate if their cholesterol is higher than those of women on statins who have lower cholesterol.

https://www.dietdoctor.com/cholesterol-cause-heart-disease

My husband had a heart attack 7 years ago (100% blockage in the right coronary artery) and had a stent put in – he was 52. I now have him on a low carb, moderate protein, high fat (mainly saturated fat) diet and he’s never been better.

I will qualify this post by saying I am not a doctor nor am I offering medical advice. I’m simple the wife of a heart attack victim that has read widely to ensue it won’t happen again!

Cheers
Linda

Hi Leelee, What a shame your GP didn’t help much. Well done on still eating the healthy way. I am sure you will have a blast in February when you go to Galway, any room for a little one in your baggage? I am shrinking by the second lol. Your Aunt will love seeing you. I really love seeing my 93 year old Aunt and regularly phone her. I think we should listen more to older people as they have such a lot to say.

Here’s my tale today. I had my lovely Noodle for the morning and she only cried when her mother left. Then she had a sleep and was absolutely delightful. I had a meeting with the Diabetic Nurse this evening. She asked if I knew what my weight was and I told her 15:11…she weighed me ….drum roll…..15:8…so my scales are 3 pounds out! To say I am pleased is very mild. She looked back at my records and we decided I have lost 4 stone in 15 months. Not as fast as some, but fine by me! She has also labelled me in remission. Apparently, they have been told not to say resolved in case it comes back! She went on to say my numbers have never been within the diabetic range anyway and I was only pre-diabetic once! My question is….so why was I every diagnosed as Diabetic…no answer. I told her what way of life I was following but she didn’t really seem too bothered. Except to say I am doing really well and to keep on going!

Dinner tonight is slaw from the book (with adaptations) which is fast becoming Jovis’ favourite accompaniment to his meals. We are also having smoked Mackerel….yummy!

I think we should organise an outing to Canada to bang on Lizzies door and demand tea! Anyone up for a trip across the Atlantic? We could then cruise down south and see if we can meet a few other posters in the U.S of A…

Lots of love
Nonna Mary
xxxx

Raspbeeries overcooked, ☹️ But at least it was doing something worthwhile that made me take my eye off them!

Starting to make a dehydrator look tempting, as I could tell they could have been amazing 45minutes previously!

I tell you what is annoying, I only eat organic/free range stuff and have for a while. I’ve been pondering whether I eat too much of it and I’m not sure I do, given (as someone said on another thread) I don’t have bread and butter/potato and butter etc etc. I do fry my veg in butter, and I might sprinkle some grated cheese on that, (as well as linseed) and I do eat red meat (organic) but also salmon, avocado etc. I don’t eat lumps of cheese out of the fridge or anything – I’m still slightly losing weight for goodness sake!

Ho hum, if I can fix the insulin issues I can sort this out. Here comes another massive learning curve! The obvious thing I will cut back on is my beloved double cream in my coffee. It’s been less tempting recently anyway. I stopped liking cured meat about a month ago.

Oh, just seen Allie and Luvtcook replied as well. Thankyou folks, food for thought (maybe not eating!)

My husband eats all the bad stuff and his cholesterol is just fine. It’s my damn Irish peasant genes I expect. Ho hum, will let you know what the Dr says. Am still planning on asking for 3 month retest and diet change before statins. After all, if I can sort out my blood sugar levels …. 😁

Thankyou ArticFox! Will get reading x

Esnecca……you must write a book or get your own column. You absolutely have a gift for writing. Your description of Jell-O is priceless. I love the addition of “typically served in hospitals, to our eternal national shame”. Still laughing.

VictoriaM: ditto on conversions. My Mac computer has a “dashboard” with a converter app on it that I am wearing out with gm to oz and ml to cups. Not sure the history about how the US ended up being the oddman out on measurements. Seems funny we measure things is pounds (sounds rather English to me….but yet now isn’t). We made a feeble attempt go go metric in the mid 70s and failed miserably without any real effort put behind it. So we have a metric monetary system (money is all in units of 10) but still goofy inches and feet, and ounces and pounds. And as much as I cook I still have to mentally convert cups to pints to get the quarts. Oh well.

LTC – Just a quick question for you…I use avocado oil for high temp searing.
Do you?

JackieM: I think your 1.74 HDL is really quite good. Mine is 1.24 and still in the okay range (higher is better). It supposedly doesn’t take much time to lower your total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol if you eat the right things. Check out this BBC Horizon episode that does a little experiment on a plant-based diet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/healthy/

Welcome, ScubaDo – no prizes for guessing why you chose your user name😉

Sounds as though you are all organised and ready to go, so will just wish you good luck – reckon you’ll make a big hole in that stone in 5 weeks😊

If you need help or encouragement, just shout and someone will come running.

Well full physical exam with my fab GP and still no further forward. So he’s ordered a rake of blood tests. I don’t think he’s skipped a single one! I do appreciate what my GP practice does. It’s interesting to see how services differ across the uk.

At least I will know that any vitamin deficiency is not diet related. I’ve never really eaten such a healthy variety of food thanks to BSD. Lentil and spinach Dahl today again. Who am I?!!

How is everyone?

L xx

Hi,

So, I’m on holiday at the moment (two weeks after everyone else) and I’ve decided to start the BSD upon my return home – no point spoiling the last couple of days. I did the 5:2 about three years ago and lost three stones but the weight has gradually been creeping up and I have just over a stone to lose. As an incentive I’m going away diving at the end of February – just over 5 weeks time, so I’m hoping that I’ll be able to get somewhere near my goal by then. I’ll post all my starting weights and measurements on Saturday morning. In the meantime, all inappropriate and tempting food at home was cleared out before going away and a delivery of BSD suitable ingredients has been arranged for Saturday morning, so there should be no excuses.

Allie and JackieM: I completely agree that it is ideal to get the vast majority of your fat from the most healthy fat sources. But to add to anecdotal evidence….my choleterol is also in the excellent range subsequent to adopting a low carb lifestyle even with adding animal fats (am a bacon lover and my favorite steak cut is rib eye, the fattiest of the lot). Note the same result for M Mosely when he dropped his weight. He continued to eat a diet that included meat yet his cholesterol numbers improved with the intermittant fasting (the ultimate in low carb eating…no carbs no food).

Allie, your husband’s situation is a completely different matter…..of course you must exercise every caution. While he might safely eat some other types of fats, you absolutely are doing the right thing is serving him only the safest of the safe.

Each person if of course different with different genes and your own cholesterol / blood tests will dictate that path you take and how restrictive you need to be. That said…no more healthy oil that the olive oils (MUFAs) and avocados. How nice that they also taste so good.

Heartfelt congratulations, Jackie on getting your HBA1C into the normal
range! That must be such a relief 🙂 Both o/h and I had very high chlor-
esterol readings when we began our quest for weight loss and wellness.
In addition to a completely occluded (blocked) rt. coronary artery and 2
others chocked with plaque, he was facing 2 complicated stenting pro-
cedures. Our course of action can only be described as extreme, and
I realize animal fats are allowed on the BSD. Thus, what I share here is
completely anecdotal. Within 6 months not only had our readings
changed to “optimal”, but that was true of every other parameter for
complete blood studies. We eliminate all cheese, processed meat,
and included wild fish on the menu 2-3 wk. All animal proteins became
free range and pasture raised, always on the lean side. Things like
sausages and ham were absent from the menu. I’m adamant about
consuming healthy fats however, and they now come from plant based
sources like nuts, avocado, seeds, organic eggs, etc. O/h has a diagnosis
of stage 3 heart failure, so fluid retention from processed meat and anything
else high in sodium had to be eliminated as well. We used to be “over the
top” consumers of things like bread, cheese and salami, and we never met a
cheese we didn’t like or had any concept of eating in moderation 🙂 Now we
will eat pastured beef 1xmo. if it is grass finished. I dare not temp fate and
possibly put o/h at risk for further plaque build up, so we steer this course
like his life depends on it, and I’ve been able to adapt effortlessly to his
needs. I can’t really compare chlor. readings with yours because they
aren’t calculated the same in the US. So, just one couples story….I’m
sure that you will arrive at one that is manageable and yields results for
you too! Best of luck,

Allie

Yes, I guess we will have to wait and see, V. I know what excessive refined carb intake does to me, how it makes me feel so I’m happy to take my chances. 🙂

S-G – yes, I do understand. 🙂 . My hairdresser tried to convert me to SW when she commented on my loss and asked what I was doing. I told her about BSD. Her words… “ah, well, that’s the beauty of SW, you can eat loads of bread, pasta, rice etc and feel lovely and full!!”. No point continuing that conversation! I replied with “…. so, booked any holidays this year yet…?!” LOL

Esnecca – Thank you for the suggestions re tofu and hemp. Focusing on a diet which is dependent on unusual ingredients would be a handicap to traveling more, staying with friends and family, and socialising. While thankfully the days of there not being anything at all on the menu for vegetarians when you want to eat out has changed (at least in the UK) the options are still very limited. I wouldn’t want to impose on people I visit more than simply being a vegetarian and refusing the side options of bread.

While smoothies are OK in some situations, when I get in from a day working outside especially when its as cold as it has been today, I really want a cooked meal. I do like stir fried tofu, but I want a range of dishes.

I think that there is growing interest in the way in which the gut is populated in infants. The article in the New York Times I provided a link to yesterday mentions that they have discovered elements in milk which help establish beneficial bacteria in the infants gut which are missing from formula milk. I have read in the past research that there is also components in milk which help to combat the establishment of streptococci bacteria.

Just found this thread, I know I had read it somewhere. Having a good read. But 9 is really high, isn’t it 😱

Hi guys, blood test results back.

HBA1C – 29 (normal) yay!

Cholesterol- 9 (boo) apparently. Comprises of 1.74 HDL (I think that is a yay?) and 7.3 ‘non-HDL’ which I think is a big boo?

Seeing Dr next week, going to say I will correct it with diet. Have no idea what is was before I started BSD. I do know I relied a lot of cheese, ham and processed meat to get the weight off, but now have shifted to seeds and green veg way more. So this may well be a downward trend.

Specific questions: how long does it take to lower cholesterol through diet? And how is it done to be compatible with this WoE (I will google and use the search engine too but I know a lot of you have been here, done that, so top tips appreciated)

Toby101 – Why would anyone want to eat significantly below their maintenance
level long term? What so many like myself who have lost an extreme amount
of weight and are successfully maintaining it have found, is that as long as
you restrict bad carbs/sugar, you can eat significantly above your TDEE.
There are also serious repercussions for T2D who return to the nightmare
of spiking blood sugars, obviously. When I was in strict weight loss mode
for 10 months, even 1 glass of wine thwarted my weekly weight loss goals,
and that 1 glass only represented 3.8gm of carbs, i.e., liquid sugar. I soon
figured out that the outmoded thinking of “calories in, calories out” was
deeply flawed, and the TYPE of calories was what mattered. Just some
“food for thought”……Best of luck to you on your journey 🙂

Allie

Interesting, although I am not convinced a few 100g change from day to day is either here nor there. There must be a myriad of factors that could account for changes that small. I struggle to believe you will gain weight in the long term eating significantly below your maintenance requirement, however many carbs are involved.

Hi KazzUK unfortunately that report is over 3 years old so not much notice has been taken of its findings. In some ways I want the world to know about this way of eating but then again, being selfish, I am happy that I know about it. I also know from personal experience that it is hard to convince people. I have just seen a post on Facebook by my brother with a picture of a plate of Slimming World curry and rice, the curry is about 1 third of the plate and the rice is 2 thirds. I put a comment on saying, throw away half of the rice (I dont stop others from eating carbs) and he said ‘no way that is the best this about SW, I dont have to give up carbs’, How much has he lost, half a stone in 2 weeks, the same half a stone he up on over Christmas and same half a stone he was losing up to Christmas. That half a stone goes way back is seems to be his biggest friend LOL. 🙂

I learned two things yesterday: a glass of wine is not worth the morning headache. And an early night is a great solution to late night munchies. I cannot believe that one glass of red wine at a New Year’s drinks could make me feel as if I had had a whole bottle! Is this a side-effect of a changing metabolism??? Or just an overreaction to a few weeks’ abstinence?? Just pleased that I resisted the impulse to dive into cheese and nuts and headed for bed!

Hi Alliecat, I wish there was a ‘like’ button – I would be using it
SSB

SSB – One disadvantage to being on my side of the Atlantic is that the
time difference ( 5 hrs) often costs me in participating in real time
conversations 🙂 The fact that we are born with a finite number of fat
cells is consistent with my knowledge, too! The theory is that the weight
of a pregnant mother while carrying the child, as well as her gut biome
and specific bacteria a child is exposed to while passing through the
birth canal all have a role to play in whether or not we are destined to
have a weight problem. It seems that some of us have to work extra
hard to keep these fat cells deflated! But now we have the formula to
do it!

Hi there Toby 101 — about the scone, it may be because the low carb diet forces your body to burn fat, not glycogen, but the high carb scone is stored as glycogen, which I understand also causes water retention.

Have not got any evidence for this, am speculating. Sure there’s someone with firmer grip on the science can confirm or refute!

Hiya lovelies….

S-G – so pleased to read your post, it’s very positive that the “authorities” are seeing low carb as a great idea at last.
How long do we have to wait though for something to stop being a potential “fad” I wonder? With me, what clicked, was understanding what goes on inside my body in response to consistent over consumption of refined carbs/sugars. Once I had that knowledge and experienced the health benefits, I felt like I’d got a permanent get-out-of-jail card!

SSB – I’ve admired TK for being on board with LCHF WOL. I don’t know how he can look those desperate volunteers in the eye as he ladles out pasta carbonara and apple puff pastry tart!

Kazzee xxx

Hi so I though by skipping lunch I had eaten less than the 750 calories calculated for my day so I checked how much I ate in calories by skipping lunch – 900 calories – how did I do that, well I was hungry in the afternoon so had part of what would have been my lunch (ham and cheese) but put it on a Ryvita (OK its a carb but I only have one or 2 a week) then I put butter on it. Evening I had an omelette for dinner and saved a wedge for supper but, because I had missed lunch I was so hungry I had another snack. So an extra 100 calories – and Toby101 – explain that I gained a quarter of a pound. Life’s a poop sometimes.

Hey there, not managed the entire recipe yet, but did have macadamia nuts as part of brunch today!

Also, the raspberries are in the oven, but it’s been a bit of a comedy of errors. Popped them in first thing yesterday but possibly the oven will only kick in at 50degrees as nothing seemed to be happening, which may be lucky cos I forgot them! Remembered about 10pmTurned it up to about 75, went to bed. Still unchanged this morning, so up to 100 but I was in garden when fire alarm went off! Mad panic, went in and turned them off and At that VERY MOMENT it turned off. About two hours later realised the plumber set it off, not the raspberries, so now they are back on and finally seem to be crisping up a bit.

Makes your blackberries seem easy, eh, Esnecca? Off to gym now, hope some progress made and not burnt to a crisp when I get home.

Have realised this somewhat slapdash approach may in fact typify my whole personality, but luckily I am OK with that 😂😂

Laska yes THS is the one I use. If you get your friend to send you a recommendation via email you will both gain with 20% discounts for your both – you do have to pay to join, it cost me £75 but I have made some many recommendations I have got my 2nd year for free. I dont know how we managed before, we have saved over €1250 in cattery fees in the last year.

Very interesting s-g. I guess there’s no point in having a body such as NICE and then ignoring their advice. Although, sometimes they do seem to move very slowly. I’m sure that there will always be some people who adapt better to this WOE than others.

I always have in my mind my own experience with hip resurfacing that, at the time around 2000, was the best thing since sliced bread. But, it hadn’t been endorsed by either NICE or the American equivalent. It was available here and people were travelling from far and wide for this new ‘experimental ‘ device. It worked well and gave lots of people their ‘life’ back again. For me I discovered, to my cost, that if it needed replacing it was far more difficult than with a standard full hip replacement. Further down the line still there were found to be many faulty devices which ended with a huge class action in the US. Today there is constant concern about metal particles entering the bloodstream because the device is ‘metal on metal’. Most hip surgeons don’t use the system anymore.

Now I’m not saying that there could be such problems with eating this way but in truth we really don’t know what we are doing to our internal organs, hair, nails etc. by more or less excluding a whole group of food. I’m prepared to take the chance because my diabetes is in remission but who knows down the line? I think part of me agrees with your French doctor s-g we will all have to wait and see.

Hi Laksa,

I read your comments about perfect or f it, and could have been reading my own character, except in my case it was very tall rather than fat, and I had one critical parent who wanted me to do well and one who was jealous of everything I did. Like you it’s taken till now (63) to really recognise and live with it, not use it as an excuse for sabotage.

Retirement is wonderful, I’m really enjoying it and want this WOE to work for me so that the diabetes doesn’t curtail my fun.

Thanks for your post, it’s motivated me as well..

Sunshine girl . we are buying a campervan! but house sitting does sound good also .i have a friend who does this . on something called Trusted house sitters i think.. What is the website you use ?

Thanks everyone! Had a lovely, long walk this morning, with the happy thought that my fat cells were merely hanging on to water cheering me along the way. Went about twice as far as I intended because I got lost! 21K steps. Didn’t see a soul, but crossed paths with the roe deer three times and sent their white bums bobbing away. Now tucking into a nice, hydrating prawn pho soup.

SSB, brilliant idea to use halloumi as bacon, will definitely give that a go – free range bacon is so pricy and it gets round the nitrate/nitrate issue too.

Squidge, you are so right, consolidating these gains (10lb down) is a marvellous thing, not a bad day – and Flick and Inka, I shall embrace the whoosh fairy when she comes with a special celebratory yoga stretch!

Hi Theodora and Sunshine Girl,
It’s so frustrating- how many people will unwittingly follow the conventional ‘advice’ and then suffer years of yo-yo weight-loss, a feeling of failure and depression (as many of us have) simply because the authorities won’t update their thinking in line with research. IMO – Tom Kerridge needs a good slap!
SSB

I wholeheartedly agree with you all. In fact I watched Tom Kerridge last night and moaned the entire way through it, and o/h said “but, you have to admit, it’s obviously working” True – but ANY low cal diet will work while you are on it! We all know that, but we cannot spend our lives on a “weight loss diet” so a new way of eating HAS to become a way of life. How will this ever happen when he is encouraging people to have rice pudding, burgers in buns etc? This is why I have never used substitutes – I know there are low carb bread recipes etc out there, but frankly I wanted to wean myself off bread and other white carbs. I have succeeded in doing that and now will happily make a sandwich or a ploughman’s etc for o/h’s lunch and not even be tempted! I’ll just have the cheese and salad elements (or whatever the filling is for that day), it truly is not a problem. I don’t even have things like cauliflower rice – personally (and it IS a personal thing) I would rather eat my cauli raw and crunchy! Just love it, especially with a wonderful dip – guacamole, smoked fish pate etc.

BTW Tilly, on a point of interest, I embarked on this WOL purely for weight loss, and have managed that beyond my wildest dreams (now weigh 8st, BMI 20), and have kept it off, but I was never diabetic, pre-diabetic, or ever had any BG problems.

If you think the ‘authorities’ are not doing anything to improve our health then I have just dragged up an extract from a paper I read in 2016 by the Public Health Collaboration UK as follows:-

Public Health Collaboration on Healthy Eating Guidelines and Weight Loss for the United Kingdom. The site is phcuk.org, an official government site for public health.
Conclusion on page 24 said in 2008 “Evidence from this systematic review demonstrates that low-carbohydrate/high-protein diets are more effective at 6 months and are as effective, if not more, as low-fat diets in reducing weight and cardiovascular
disease risk up to 1 year. More evidence and longer-term studies are needed to assess the long-term cardiovascular benefits from the weight loss achieved using these diets.” That was in 2008
Finally, in February 2016 the fourth specific analysis was published in the British Journal of Nutrition finding that “Compared with subjects on low-fat diets, subjects on low-carbohydrate diets experienced significantly greater weight loss, greater triglycerides
reduction and greater increase in HDL-cholesterol after 6 months to 2 years of intervention.”
So between 2008 and 2016 the medical advice on nutrition has changed from thinking low carb might be a good idea to 2016 concluding it is a great idea. They go on to say that they are concerned that NICE are not taking up this advice and, in particular, still advocating high carb, low fat diets when it has been shown that low fat leads to fatter people. Apparently NICE are waiting for trial to end so phuk have carried out their own trials and their final final conclusion is:
In light of this scientific evidence the Public Health Collaboration recommends thatthe guidelines for weight loss in the UK should include an ad libitum low-carbohydrate-high-fat diet of real foods as an acceptable, effective and safe approach”

That is why the medical profession is not interested – I am with them partly as this is so new it could turn out to be another fad but we know different. My doctor says I am saving the French health service around €150 a month as I have reduced the amount of medications and medical equipment required each month (normally around €300 per month for meds so cut by half). I said, imagine how much it could save if all of your diabetic patients were on this diet. His view is, wait and see.

Hi everyone, funnily enough Toby101 I ate less yesterday because I had such a late breakfast (slept in) I skipped lunch and then had my normal dinner and I gained quarter of a pound or 200 grams. Our bodies dont always do what we want them to do but I think it is true to say if you are used to 800 calories then your body gets used to it so add on a couple of 100 and you gain. That is why people who have done well on this plan then increase the calories slowly, slowly to go onto maintenance. It is a fact of life. I know my weight will drop again and hope it will be soon but do not get stressed about it.

Marie123 my final point on the subject of BGM – you are diabetic so the results you get are really significant in helping you know your own reactions to various foods – and you will know some people can eat something with no effect yet it will cause a real spike for others.

Laska, retirement was the best thing ever for me even though I thought I would go mad with boredom. However, I did retire to France with a pool and a large garden. I might have a suggestion for you when you retire if you want to travel. I can give you details of a house sitting site which allows you to travel, stay somewhere absolutely free (buy your own food) and all you have to do is get yourself there and look after the house as if it was your own and there might be pets involved but that is up to you. We have had people come and look after our house and they have been from Australia, New Zealand, England and our next one is from Amsterdam. Something to think about for the future.

Nice chatting to you all but I must go and make my tuna and cream cheese dip (sardines in the book but beurk….)

Toby,.. me also wondering, but I have… I’ve eaten maybe slightly over 800 some days but not much and definately not over 1000 and only one day was that anything higher carb, but yes a weight gain occurred (see above..’ Its got to be ‘body conspiring against me theory!!.. it can be nothing else!).. cant even be water weight,.am peeing for England!

Why ‘demotivated by now?’ One week I hear you say and you’ve lost 2lbs! Yes but my inner ‘,Unreasonable Superwoman’ is not satisfied with that is she? 😒 Unreasonable Superwoman is of course all things I am not!…….really shes Unrealistic superwoman a sort of cross between all the thing’s I tell myself I should be and some kind of beautiful celebrity with it all..
BTW.. I do know this is all total nuts (I have degrees and everything! Just no good sense of self ..(blame it on the parents!! )😁

I am genuinely curious as to why people on this diet are reporting weight gains because they eat a scone, or some crackers or whatever. Surely if you are still eating overall below your maintenance calorie level you should still be losing weight – even if not as fast?

The report was based on prof Taylor’s work but of course he used meal replacement shakes so he could more accurately measure what people were eating so the low-carb bit didn’t enter into it. To me though, it’s common sense – starchy carbs are very low nutrition and are really just cheap fillers so if you go very low calorie and still need all your nutrients, the carbs have to go – it’s just that no-one actually says that. I think it was MM, working from Prof Taylor’s work but wanting to make it doable for every day, who looked at cutting the low value carbs – hence this fab website.
I think the NHS, Public Health England and all the rest are just terrified of coming out and admitting that the low fat message of the last 4 decades might actually be wrong, even though many studies now have shown it to be failing.
SSB

Hi, Mariet! Something I can actually answer 🙂

1 stick = 1/2c = 8Tbs

I reckon that the dragons tail analogy is so good I reckon it does for all of us, re self sabotage eh? (Thanks again Esnecca ).

I am still up a lb and would usually be feeling pretty demotivated by now because I know I do have a tendency to be an ‘instant results or I am a miserable failure/my body is conspiring against me/what’s the point i am just destined to be fat’ person (yes all this for one miserable pound going the wrong way!)

i have an really well – developed over-‘perfection or f*** it ‘ personality, i know.. its taken me 60 years to actually really recognise this so its pretty ingrained in to me by now! I stop myself from doing so much (especially in competitive things) because i never feel good enough. i am really not a ‘joiner in’ for the same reasons I think.. i reckon its a a hangover from the ‘fat girl last to be picked school sports/ critical parents thing .. (parents still critical sadly , i just live with it . )

I really should have got over this by now .! …. Anyway self-sabotage and Me ..we are such old ‘friends’..i have lost this weight twice before . each time when Ive got down to 10st -10st 7 last time – i just went back to my old ways and here I am again..
. ..
I am about to have a huge lifestyle change – retiring from work soon and i want to travel.. .. i really need to stop this sabotaging this time..

Anyway typing this has made me motivated for today.. at least .. !

We’ll said verano!

Hi Zolou, I’m sorry tohear your scales aren’t cooperating, my exciting weight loss has come to a screeching halt too, it has taken me all week to lose almost a kilo. Still not there!
BUT I keep chanting to myself as I step forlornly off the scales ( who was it that called it ‘the saddest step’?!!) WEIGHT LOSS IS NOT LINEAR!! which is another great bsd battlecry that others have posted before! It never fails to comfort me, just keep it in the back of your mind…and best of luck. I agree with Flick and SSB, the whoosh fairy comes when you least expect it!

Martymonster I think that is the crux of the matter …. you need to change eating habits. Neither WW nor SW or all such similar diets do that, which has led to , most of us here, spending many, many years yo-yoing. I think most of us have gone from one diet to another only to end up heavier than before. This WOE is a revelation but it also takes a lot of willpower to make it a permanent change. I think it becomes easier when your taste buds change and you no longer ‘crave’ carbs.

Unfortunately there is no money to be made by the dieting industry if they allow us to lose weight permanently. So why would they help us to change our eating habits? The only organisation to ‘make money’ by permanent weight loss are the NHS who save by treating fewer people with diabetes and it’s baggage, and other weight related problems!

Interesting discussion! I’ve been defeated by a ‘stick’ of butter. How much is that?

Saltyseabird; oh no not again. Where is prof Roy Taylor? Why isn’t his voice louder or his platform bigger? It’s still up to us then to show others by example that it can be done. I’m not diabetic but feel completely evangelical about this way of eating on behalf of all the others who are and have had and are having fab success with it. Captain lynne Esnecca, Theodora, alliecat, kazzee, nonna Mary, sunshine girl, verano and apologies to anyone I’ve missed – you know who you are. And if the amazing canada liz is still out there please come back when you’re ready were all linking arms waiting to get in your kitchen for a cup of tea! 😊😉Good luck on the onward journey ladies. I’m up half a pound on yesterday, but could be the hot cross bun I sneaked yesterday 😜😟my own worst enemy!