Lol, I agree 🙂
I’m the sort of person who likes to know why things are so. You might have guessed that by now! So I observe and monitor and experiment to see if I can find out why and then what I can do to change it. I’m hoping I never get dementia, cos my curiosity would be unrestrained by common sense and who knows what I’d get up to 🙂
Oh well, keeps me out of mischief and the biscuit tin lol.

FoFi are you diabetic, or do you have a blood sugar problem? If you are a great way to get a grip and cut through your envy of what others are eating is to tranpose an image of yourself minus a foot over the picture of what they are eating that is attracting you. Works fast.

Thanks for the response, Cherrianne. Turns out I was confusing ‘ketosis’ and ‘ketoacidosis’. Let’s call it a ‘rookie mistake’. 😜 Loving the diet so far and think it will work out really well for me – have already lost a kilo (2.2lb), which is very encouraging. 😄

A-ha! Thanks for that response, Bill. I was also making the error of thinking that ‘ketosis’ and ‘ketoacidosis’ are the same thing. Duh! 😜

Hi, I know that much of it isn’t healthy. I just see people eating twiglets and I don’t even like twiglets and I want some. I don’t eat them, but still they look good. I have a ten day break from this diet coming up in a week and I am looking forward to it. (I mean a break from the Fast800, I will still be high fat low carbs BSD way of life.)

Thanks pmshrink was sort of hoping I can get myself set up with a phone app cause it is so convenient and available. I may be about there now with the one that came in my phone and I didn’t know it was there!

Wil explore CalorieKing on my desktop computer tonight, had a quick look and you need to join.

So far I have gained weight in my first few days, 300gm so am not panicking. Not sure how I managed that but will keep on trying. 🙂

Moiuntainman…you don’t mention why you are on this diet and describe yourself as quite fit.
I was wondering if you are diabetic or insulin resistant and are you overweight?

I have just done two hours of intensive exercise and haven’t eaten for 18 hours…blood sugar level just checked is fine.

However, I am type 2 diabetic and have very severe insulin resistance.

Not eating is the only way to reduce insulin…that is the whole point of this diet isn’t it?

Eating carbs because you are buring up energy puts a stop to any fat clearing that may be happening in your liver and pancreas, which I thought was the point of the exercise…in order to avoid the side effects of diabetes long term.

Hi Evie,
Don’t despair you haven’t done anything wrong. You’ve just got the dreaded week 2 blues!! Check out some of the other threads and you’ll see it happens to just about everyone around week 2 or 3.
It’s also one of the more unfair facts of life that men usually lose weight more quickly than women. Some of the ladies on here have found their hubby’s losing weight even though they’re only very halfheartedly doing the diet.
Keep up your good work, 2 kg is still a great result. Pick up a 2kg bag of flour and see for yourself.
Be mindful of all that you eat and drink to avoid extra carbs sneaking in. Keep your fluid intake up to 2-3l a day. Make sure more of your calories come from vegetables, proteins and fats,rather than relying on carbs, and you will see those kg’s dropping off again soon.
Keep posting so we can all celebrate your progress with you and support you if need encouragement 🙂

Hi Liz. *waves*. I was spending too much time on FB anyway. Sorry to leave in a way, because most of them are nice. But I thought it best.

Good to see you joining in on here. Please post your progress. We are a helpful bunch. And usually someone around because we’re from so many parts of the world. Lynne

My husband and I started the diet on the 11th March. The first week he lost 2.9 kilos and I lost 2.2 kilos, this week he only lost 1 kilo and I gained 200 grams. I have stuck to the diet and I have done at least 10000 steps every day as well as other exercises including a minimum of two boot-camp sessions a week. Where am I going wrong.

Cheers for the update – that’s really interesting to know!

Fab weight loss Rico! Well done!

I’ve had a night out tonight – but made some still kept the plan under control (apart from the slimline tonic, wasn’t so slimline!) but anyway… Good to have a night off!
B – blueberry and spinach smoothie
L – salad, toms, cucumber, seeds & olive oil
D – (out) Breaded squid, salad, asparagus & Parmesan.
With drinks – 1150, c 88, s 29

I’m good with that for a night out 🙂 xx

Hi Fofi
I am curious to what you meant by nicer food you see others eating.
I have a different view of other’s food now.
When I see people stuffing themselves with sugary carbs, I don’t feel they have nicer food than me. I think they have food that is going to potentially make them obese and possibly type2 diabetic!
I am loving the food I am now eating. So much variety flavour and choice. And knowing that it is now helping me to live rather than slowly killing me only spurs me on to continue with this way of eating.

I guess everyone has their own methods and techniques to get through the 8 weeks, but I can honestly say that I am personally fully committed to my goals. And once I reach them maintaining this healthy way of living.
We only get one life. I for one plan to make the best of it.

Best wishes and success to everyone on this journey to better health and well-being.

Kind regards Shrinky.

Onamission – your name says it all! You can and will do this. It’s 8 weeks out of your life that could extend your life by years. The cravings will lessen, and as they do, your self belief and confidence will too. I also lost 5lbs in my first week and have around 2 stone to lose – for every lb I lose I put £1 in a sealed tin, when I have lost my 28lbs I am going to buy myself a bottle of champagne and drink it all to myself!!!!!! Keep going and use the forums.

Hi Ann,
Sorry you feel disappointed with the results for you at this stage. 🙁
As Sunnyb has said, it’s worth a quick review of what you’re eating and drinking. Sometimes low cal foods can be surprisingly high in carbs and prevent your body going into the fat burning phase. Try to get the biggest volume of food for your allowance, and again as Sunnyb said, include fats. Also remember to include any milk you have in tea/ coffee in your count.
It seems that week 2 or 3 is when weight loss stalls for lots of people but you will notice other changes in your body. The weight doesn’t come off predictably and you would seem to have less to lose than many people on here. At 65.8 kg your 1.5 kg loss is very much on track for a 10% loss of body weight over the 8 weeks. Those people posting big losses will also have a much higher starting weight than you.
Don’t lose hope, you’ve done the hardest couple of weeks. It all gets better from here 🙂

Just been watching bear grylls mission survive, a bit like the BSD mission but it’s not about surviving but about mission ALIVE! This is about looking forward to the future, to feeling renewed and invigorated and fully motivated, especially after a wobble. Please don’t look back unless it’s to wave goodbye to the old you but look forward to a brighter, lighter healthier and happier you. Thus ends the sermon and so to bed and look forward to a good day tomorrow. Good luck all and find the strength to stay positive.

I’m on day 11 today and I’ve snapped at everyone today! Tonight I’ve been starving but so far have resisted anything. (I had to leave half my lunch as felt sick).Going to bed shortly and hopefully tomorrow will be better. I could just cry!!! (I’m not normally a mard arse).

Always knew you were a bit of a lad Bill!!
Hi soon not to be Fatty, lots of Aussies on here. We are the ones posting when you lot are asleep, and wondering why no one is answering lol 🙂
You may only have a few uncomfortable days when you start, others breeze through and don’t notice anything. It is so worth it though cos you’ll feel energised and have more mental energy too. Somehow it changes your thinking so that you feel more optimistic and in control of diabetes and your weight. For a good example of this read Lucia’s posts, there’s no stopping that girl now. Her enthusiasm could power a small town!!
Everyone on the forum will help you stick with this, as Bill and Hashimoto have said. It is worldwide but we are united in helping each other through, sharing our experience, and adding to the growing fund of knowledge of how to deal with diabetes effectively.
All the best from not so sunny SA (37 yesterday, 19 forecast today, what is going on?)

Hi Ann077

Don’t be disheartened, you have made a positive start and a 1.5kg loss is 1.5kg you don’t need to worry about any more. People often find that things don’t move much in week 2 – indeed people report plateaus at various stages on this diet, as their bodies adjust. Stick with it and the weight loss will happen. It is frustrating when you don’t see any results when you are putting in the effort, but don’t allow this to derail you.

If you are finding the diet feels like starvation, I’d advise doing a quick check on how you are using the 800 cals. Foods higher in fat make you feel fuller for longer, even when eaten in relatively small portions. It’s also worth checking you are not eating something with much higher carb content than you had expected, as the secret to this diet is keeping fats and proteins high and the carbs low. Some people find that by lowering their carb intake even by a little bit, helps to get things moving again.

Have a good night’s sleep Ann077 and make tomorrow a new start. You can do this and you are not alone in your struggle.

Hi sunny b,
Many thanks for your praise. Isn’t it fun.
I am thinking of going to Bon marche, and have a look at the next size down, maybe hold it up against my waist, see how much I need to go. Thinking of something floral.
When I settle to a target size, and maintain it, I will go to the expensive shops like m&s and go giddy.
To wander around meadow hell. Sorry meadow hall shopping centre at Sheffield. When the weight is off. I could be interested in that.
Found some second hand cow bells or cattle bells, the weird shaped weights. Thinking of using the lightest ones, to get rid of my bingo wings. I will go steady, and easy. Don’t want to launch the weight into space by mistake.

Love Lucia.
Xxxx

Cheers thanks for that x

RPN,

There is a double bank holiday weekend coming up, maybe you will be working it, but if not you could start next Thursday and by the time you would be back at work it would be day 6 and you would have a good idea how you are feeling. You could eat a lower carb higher fat diet for the next few days, and practise some of the recipes, empty the cupboards and so on.

Hi team,
Will go to H and B on Saturday, you can’t rush these things.

Cat girl, you see, you ARE doing great. Who needs sauces etc, when you are out. You don’t know what’s in them either. If I go out in the future, I will try and keep it plain and simple. I go for the company not the food.
If you are getting a new knee, try different exercises such as arms, bingo wings, shoulders, back, even squeezing bum cheeks is still an exercise. Now you know what I do at my desk, no one knows, they just thing I have a twitch.

You can leave the knees until they are fixed. If you are only having one knee done, you can always do yoga and try and wrap one leg around your neck. 😀
Make sure someone else is in the room to unknot you or ring 999 in case you get stuck.😏

I have a few streets to walk home from the bus each night, one of them is a short one, I ran down it, 120 steps non stop, now if only I could remember to breathe…… Getting there.

Well gang, are there any parks or paths near you?
I challenge every one of you to walk this weekend for 30 minutes, even if you break it up by sitting on a bench or wall. Walk up and down your garden or yard, or street, or to the local shops, or around the block. If anyone asks where you are going and you need a reason, just say you are just popping out for a friend….
Do it for me, or for you, let me know one thing that you saw, heard or even sniffed.

We are all changing, one pound at a time
Love Lucia
Xxxx

It’s all fluid. Lots of people say only water counts, but really, if it’s liquid it all helps to hydrate you and that is what you are trying to achieve. I don’t much enjoy drinking just water, so I split my intake 50/50 across water and herbal teas. Have tried to get into the habit, that every time I go into the kitchen, I have a 200ml glass of water – it soon adds up. But yes, I don’t think there is a problem with including your green tea in your fluid count for the day.

I am into the second week of this diet and have managed only 1.5kg loss ( starting weight 65.8kg) and nothing around the waist ( 100cm).
Feeling very irritable and down. Have faithfully followed this near starvation diet and exercising 40mins hard each day ( on treadmill which I have at home, on steepest incline).
Am I being unrealistic? In reading the book, I should be seeing a consistent weight loss, instead, 1.5kg in the first week, then 0 on the second week. Why is this happening?

Hey Lucia – Well Done You!!! It’s great when it all comes together for someone – gives us all a boost. I am teetering on the brink of being able to start my weight with a new stone and hoping to get there by the end of the week. Get into Holland & Barrett and stock up on some goodies, I’m sure you will find something to intrigue and interest you.

Catgirl – it sounds like you are completely hooked on the diet now and making good progress. Hope you will be reward with some nice results for your diligence.

Very good advice above, but I think everyone is different, even after 6 weeks I do look longingly at others when they have ‘nicer food’ than me. (Everyone seems to have nicer food than me.) I’m not hungry.

My worst day was 14 days in and instead of 800 kcal I ate 1900. Which is terrible, and yet it is probably still a deficit. So I don’t worry about it. If my 8 weeks becomes 60 days instead of 56 that isn’t so bad. But I do log everything and as I log something I sometimes put it pack.

You should work out what your weakness is and look for a strategy to get round it. I have no problem with sealed packets, but once it is open I find it very hard to resist. This is true not only of biscuits and crisps but also houmous and cheese. So whenever possible I buy individual packets and pots of stuff. The supermarkets sell 4x40g packs of houmous, which is what I buy, along with individual pots of yoghurt. I put as much of the rest out of reach in the freezer, and then get it out the night before I want it. If the cheese is just for me I cut it into 20g pieces and freeze them.

I also think that aspartame makes me want to eat so watch out for low calories drinks, or something similar that makes you want to eat (even if you don’t feel hungry).

Edit: Crossed with SunnyB

Hi does Greene tea count towards my water intake??

I am sure I have seen some posts where people have mentioned feeling angry and worked up, but I think they were earlier on in the eight weeks? I am mid week 5 and feeling unusually angry. I’m usually quite laid back, but the last couple of days everything has annoyed me out of all proportion. I have to stay calm, or at least appear calm, in my job, which is OK, but much more difficult than usual, and by the time I get home it is as if there is no calm left!

Tonight has seen a mini meltdown, because I have no jeans that fit me to wear for a non uniform day tomorrow. (I work in a school and tomorrow is a mufti day for Sports Relief. Staff don’t ‘t actually wear a uniform, but we join in by ‘going casual’). This is only because my two pairs I usually wear look ridiculous because they are too baggy, which is actually good news, but I found myself sulking! I never sulk! Then, the spicy wraps for tomorrow’s lunch stuck badly to the pan and I had a complete strop about that! The OH is completely bemused, as am I. Has anyone else experienced this kind of personality change around 5 weeks in?

I have ordered a low carb/sugar protein shake that I will use in combinations with meals . will start the diet as soon as they arrive.

Hi Onamission

You’ve made a great start. Don’t think about the ‘it could have been seven’ bit, focus on the positive. You HAVE lost 5lb and that is a good number to build on. Forget that you had a little blip at the w/e – so did I actually – but don’t self-sabotage by wasting time beating yourself up. Put your energy into planning what you’ll be eating in the next day or two. Do you need to get anything in any particular foods to help keep your menu interesting and satisfying?

Remember the battle is as much mental as physical, so be kind to yourself, give praise for getting to where you are and look to where you want to be and how you are going to get there – the rest doesn’t matter.

Make sure to keep posting and make good use of the threads on the forum, there’s heaps of advise, tips and support here, so be sure to make the most of it.

Gook luck and I’m sure we’ll be seeing you post some good results again soon.

Ok, you must do what’s best for you, I just think it’s a shame that maybe you won’t be on there to share your experience and advice. There aren’t many men (as far as I can see anyway) and it might be encouraging for the few that are there. As well as the women, honestly the majority of them are nice! I shall continue to hover between both the forums and the fb site, and now I have worked out how to post on here, I may be actually joining in instead of just lurking!

Hi Liz life’s too short hun
Each to their own, FB doesn’t suit me the same as the forum doesn’t suit some folk.
We’re all after the same goals at the end of the day so as long as we all get there, no real harm done.

I’ve been out a few times now. My absolute limit whilst sticking to the BSD is 2 hours of exercise which is the point when I start to feel very light headed.

When I know that I’m walking a full day I simply forget the BSD for the night before and eat a bowl of pasta or noodles or similar. Then on the walk day I take a normal sandwich load plus some snack bars and gels. Last Sunday was an 8 hour walk and 1200m of climbing … some in snow which is very energy sapping. I needed 4 sandwhiches (4 slices of bread) plus some snack bars. I was still running out of energy on the climbs and used 4 energy gels.

I’m still losing weight … and now that my appetite is trained I’m finding that I can get back to the 800 calories on the days that I’m not exercising. So I think that everything is working out fine.

That sounds really tasty Scotgran. Will made a note and try that myself. It’s amazing the variety that can be squeezed into this diet! And great that everyone is so keen to swap ideas, so we can all benefit.

Hi
This is carb withdrawal cravings, your body has been using them as fuel for so long, it’s got lazy and doesn’t want the extra work involved in burning fats so it’s screaming out for them.
The good news is it won’t last very long and I can say hand on heart I can sit in a room full of people eating chocolate and it wouldn’t bother me. In fact I don’t even think about it as food now, others will tell you the same.
You’re not far from that point yourself now, keep going, you’ll be glad you did.

Hi Onamission. Try this. Get a pile of cans/packets out of the cupboard. Total weight of cans to equal weight you want to lose. Stick them somewhere you can’t fail to notice them. Now put to one side tins to equal weight already lost. Congratulate yourself. Now decide a reasonable aim for the next 7 days… somehow seeing something tangible helps me to get back on track. You CAN Do this and we are here to support you.
Go for it and stay on here so we can all keep in touch xxx

Fantastic loss Rico. Well done.

Today’s food for us:

Breakfast: A mix of Greek and home made yogurt with cooked raspberries

Lunch: Salad of romaine lettuce, cherry toms, rocket, jalapeños, basil, olives, cooked orange pepper, celery, smoked ham, cottage cheese, two slices choirzo, mustard-y dressing, a plum

Dinner: Butternut squashetti with bolognaise sauce, cheddar, half an apple

Snack: One ounce brie

Water, black coffee

Cals 860. Carbs 64g. Hmmm maybe a bit high as I am aiming for 40 -50g carbs ‘ ish That plum and half an apple come to 18.5g by themselves.

Hi, I am a long time lurker on these forums but haven’t posted anything, so forgive me if I do anything wrong or daft. I also belong to the closed Facebook group, and have directed people to it from the BSD Facebook page, so they could get some support, as some have been struggling. I am so sorry to see that Bill has been having problems today, I was delighted to see you there, Bill, as you have so much to offer in terms of support and encouragement. And I’m sorry that Lynne has left the group. I think most of the people in that group are very friendly and helpful. Sometimes words in type come across differently than was meant – this can happen with texts too in my experience. Anyway, I’m not sure what else to say, just that I’m sorry that it happened.

Thanks TP!

I really don’t want this to turn into another diet that slides off a cliff again! I had a great first week, lost five pounds, would have easily been seven if I hadn’t picked a bit at the weekend but since then I’ve been rubbish at sticking to it. Any advice? I know it’s really only me that can sort it out and stick to it. I’m not even hungry anymore but feel my old ways coming back. I just need to get back to it but if anyone slipped a bit and got back on it, I’d love to hear from you. Thanks

Thanks Bill, I’ll let you know how I get off

Hi Charlie,

As I understand it, the C-Pep test shows if you’re actually still producing insulin, so yes I would have thought your doctor would find it useful 🙂

hope this helps

TP

SunnyB spot on re sesame seeds. Mine are garlic infused ( got them in Hong Kong). The best deal at the fish counter today was salmon. I mixed two teaspoons of coconut flour with one of sesame seeds and mixed it with the zest of half a lime. I fried it skin side in a little butter then flipped for a second or two to coat, flipped back to spread the mix on, flipped back to coated side for a few minutes. A lot of flipping. Squeezed half a lime over before serving. The result was flipping delicious. I’ve almost got indigestion rushing on here to rave. I had it with cauliflower rice sprinkled with chilli flakes and half a courgette cut into ribbons and steamed. A sure fire keeper! Can’t wait to try the prawns.

Judith, felt guilty because they sometimes had to come to work with me. Then I was told they love it because they get to go to different places and meet all kinds of different people. (The sweets and money they get given help of course LOL)

I’ve slept on it long enough and left that group.

I don’t like bullies either, and I was there before most of them. But the group has changed, not for the better. I don’t need the aggro, but to use my energy for more important things. So I have left

Lynne they must adore you for it! You would be surprised if you knew how many children never get that experience. Same goes for board games and jacks. I found during wet play/dinner times both boys and girls preferred actual activities to the boring old ipads! X

Dignified and wise Lynn
Just a bunch of playground bullies really, they’ve been there a while so they think they have the right to push the new kids about.
My head says just click the leave group button
My heart says I detest bullies so stay and give them he’ll
I think I’ll sleep on it.

Judith, museum pieces like me are good at that LOL 😃 When the twins (8 years old now) visit they sew and other things like that instead of spending hours playing games on their phones. Cruel grandma 😱

Catgirl, I. Know this isn’t what you asked for but I would suggest sitting on the floor with legs straight out in front of you and tense the muscles at the top of your thighs by lifting your heels an inch of the floor. I can’t think of the other exercises that will help you recover from the surgery but I’m sure others will be able to help x