Hi guys,
I started this last Monday and my weigh in on Sunday was 8lb down. I’ve been lurking in the forums and reading lots of great posts on here. You are all a very supportive crowd.
I have a question ‘re exercise and calories burned, I’ve started to walk 3 miles at least 5 times a week and on these days I burn approx 300 calories but don’t add to my 800. Some days I may only have 600 calories which would mean 300 if I take off calories burned, should I be adding g t he calories burned to my 800 per day or not?
Cheers Dippymint x

I use calorie king as it gives the full breakdown of nurtition including carbs, I only count carbs. There is also an nhs website that just gives calories which is easy to use. Or the side of the packet, of course. Your eggs would be 80 to 90 cals each depending on the size.

Don’t they just, Janet1973!!! 🙂

Hi Orchid, it could take a week for the petition to go live as they will check that it is fully compliant before they make it available again 🙂

Wow, well done, Orchid! That’s very impressive.

Home made bread is probably worse than bought stuff, because it tastes so good, you’re likely to eat more! I love bread, but I’m avoiding it for the 8 weeks. I think that might be easier than trying to cut down and it will make me find more meals which don’t rely on bread.

Bill, I saw mention of the gram flour flatbreads elsewhere (and can’t find it again now). Are they just the flour and water and made like pancakes? And would they hold together well enough for fajitas and burritos?

Sparkling water with lime is a must! Looking forward to the party 🙂

Is there a reliable place to get accurate information on calorie content of foods? I haven’t got into gear on the fast diet yet but have started cutting out carbs and reducing portion sizes. My wife is not convinced of the benefits of rapid weight loss as she prefers the low GI type diet. I am thinking of going slightly independent and need to know what is or is not within the acceptable range. For example, I’ve just eaten a three egg omelette with a dash of cheese. Would be handy to work out how many calories it amounted to.

Oops, just seen the string……my reply to Bill was about the petition info, this thread seems to have been hijacked a bit 🙂

Thanks Bill and others for doing this. Anyone got contacts with the Newcastle folks to alert them to it’s existence – my be a few more votes!

You have all made comments about the declaration made yesterday about volouteers for NHS and notes of “lose weight and excercise ” as if it is Rubbish as the blood sugar is the perfect solution
All practicioners, professors consultants would agree the “lose weight and exercise ” is the easiest and most of beneficial for all. -even Prof Taylor
I do not test because I have had the support of an excellent medical practice to archieve the goals
Not rocket science, just plain common sense of which I was sadly lacking in my days of over indulgence

Thanks for your reply Bill1954. What I expected, but good to bounce off others.

Party time 😃🎈🧀🍓☕️

Who’s bring what food? Low-carb of course 😃. Sparkling water or black coffee ok?

Oh you two paint such a lovely picture of life with diabetes!

See you girls there next week
Are we having a party ?

I’m not starving, hands up anyone who is ……
I don’t consider pasta, rice, or alcohol to be the pleasures in life
I do test blood and urine, if you don’t, how the hell can you say that you’re ok ?
Why hasn’t your doctor recommended the book to other patients and why aren’t we hearing from them ?
If your consultant thinks you’re so remarkable, why hasn’t HE recommended your method to others and why haven’t we heard from THEM
You seem to have an axe to grind with Dr Mosely as that is the only reason I can think of why a 72 year old T2D would first, bother to look for this forum, pick a teenagers facebook name as in happyslappy, and then go ahead and try to discredit everything that every user on here has achieved.
I won’t give you the respect of replying again, your story is so full of holes I am finding it hard to believe you when you say Hi

Hi orchid

I’m one of those over the 8 weeks and staying on this for a while yet. When asked, the team said it was ok to stay on this for an extra few weeks before going on 5:2 but there are many of us staying on this longer term.

I’m in my 14th week with no ill effects. And lots more weight to lose which I want to do ASAP.

Come and join us on the ‘over the 8-week line and after’ thread to tell us how you are getting on.

No problem Slappy. I wish you success on your own journey.

Dear Janet 1973
Precisely as I’ve said
I have “lost” 3 stones in the past 11 years- yes that long
I am now described as “glucose intorerant ” , pre-diabetic but I have to continue as I’m doing or I’ll have to either go on a pill or the worst case senario Insulin
My consultant says to have type 2 diabetes for 15 years with no medication is something to be proud of as it seldom happens
If it works , more strength to your commitment but I would say in my defence is come back in 10 years and see if your control is still intact
Enjoy your forums but at the end of the day it is the individual’s choice and that’s what I have done

Amen to that sunnyb, my oopsi bread is in the oven. Haven’t got a clue how it will turn out!

May I suggest that we expend no more energy on ‘happyslappy’ (and to be honest, I doubt very much that a 72yr old would choose such a handle). While we are wasting time and energy on this sad soul, we are not using it positively elsewhere – life is too short.

Well said Bill

I think most of us can’t believe how easy this is. After years of ‘doing as we were told’ by assorted medical professionals – whether they be doctors, nurses, dietitians or whoever – we are coming to realise that the solution is far easier than any of them would have us believe.

We can help ourselves, thanks to Dr Mosley end Prof Taylor.

No more following the ‘party line’. We’re in at the beginning of something amazing which will not only help us, but ultimately save the NHS money. As for the food manufacturers – they can change direction (can’t they?). No more low-fat, they could produce low-carb. But the drug companies! Their profits could well take a hit. But why should our health suffer to keep their profits high?

Hi FoFi,
Before I say anything, I must point out that I don’t have children of my own so I would never begin to presume the challenges people face in bringing up their children. That said, for a long time I have wondered why there seems to be one rule for adults and another for children. I mean, why are we (the forum users) all happy to accept that cakes, biscuits, etc are all off limits to us as adults but we still want to feed them to our kids? Would we not be doing them a much bigger favour to encourage them to eat the same way we do? After all, they are going to be adults one day and if we don’t change their habits, they are going to end up with the same issues as us. Having been a WW member for years, I never understood ‘the kid’s cupboard’. Why were their parents actively wanting them to eat all the stuff that had landed themselves in such a mess?

Fofi, you mention about children’s yoghurts; all that is is marketing. There is nothing in the yoghurt meant for children and not adults, other than the pretty pictures on the side of the carton. Children will do as well as us to eat full fat yoghurt (from a boring carton).

The diet doctor website does have some suggestions for making children’s diet low carb and I think there are guidelines around amounts (of course their bodies are growing whereas our bodies are only growing out). There are also some very good recipes on there for low carb breads and tasty snacks for lunch boxes, etc. One of the breads is called Oopsi bread.

As I said, I worry that I am on shaky ground here, not being a parent, but surely it makes sense to start the next generation off early in terms of looking at food differently. I know the post above is looking for low sugar versions of biscuits and ice cream and stuff but as Fofi says, they aren’t really out there. I suspect that is because there are not many naturally sweet things that have any real benefits to humans or at least don’t harm us. For our kids’ sake, we need to educate them away from such sweet teeth in the same way we are doing that for ourselves.

Hi Proodles

Welcome to the family.

I’m looking forward to reading about your progress.

Lynne

Hi,
This is the last week of the 8 week plan for me and I now have a lots of decisions to be made before next week starts.
My starting BMI was 33 and my main target was to get it under 30 in 8 weeks, so I was no longer classified as obese. My blood sugars were getting close to prediabetic, and I wanted them to reduce. I reached the blood sugar drop within 3 weeks to low 5’s and the BMI to 29.9 10 days ago. Today it was 29. Next major goal is BMI under 25. I was about to say that means I have another 20kg to go – and checked my spreadsheet – I have 12kg to go – I need to get used to the idea that I am no longer over 20kg overweight :-).
I have 2 options – go straight onto the 5:2, which was the plan. I had assumed this would be much more of a struggle that it has been and I would be ready to move by now. Second option is to continue the 800 until my holiday in the first week in May – Orkney, full bed and board, so it will be interesting to see how I manage through that. I had not thought it was advisable to do more that 8 weeks, but a few others seem to have been following that approach successfully so 3 weeks more should not be an issue.
I am walking the Shine Night Walk (Marathon) in London in September for Cancer Research UK. My sister-in-law died of cancer in January and I am doing it in her memory. This was an added driver to get the weight off! I did do the half marathon walk 2 years ago at my old weight off of 3 weeks training and did it in 4 hours continuous walking – I could not have taken a step more – so I knew I had to get this weight loss moving fast or I would fail and probably damage my knees in the process! Link below if anyone interested in joining up! http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/support-us/find-an-event/charity-walks/shine-night-walk
Training starts after my holiday – lots of long walks at the weekend and jogging at least twice a week. With that energy output, I think I will definitely need to be on the 5:2 by then.
Anyone else actually made the move from one to the other and how did it go?

I like the pink grapefruit as they’re a bit sweeter – not sure if that means we shouldn’t have them though?

Hi chezza.

Welcome to the family.

Look forward to seeing you on the other thread.

Hi Chezza and Madmre. I’m on day 3 too.

Madmare. Like you I have lots of clothes which don’t fit … yet!

Chezza, we don’t do Easter and for once I’m pleased about that. I’d find it hard to resist if there was lots of chocolate about. Avoiding it as much as possible sounds like a plan. Can you ask the family to keep it out of your sight?

Haven’t weighed myself yet. Think I will tomorrow.

“Can’t believe it’s this easy and nobody told me before”
This is the problem, no one is going to tell you because the food firms, the diet firms, and the drugs firms have all invested massively in high carb low fat meals which cause the disease and then it has to be fixed chemically
I’m afraid we live in a world where the £ is vastly more important than the lb

My experience of it was the same but the diahorrea was awful as well.
Interestingly enough I had blood tests a couple of years ago from a locum nurse who forcefully insisted that I take the metformin within 20 mins either side of food !
But, they are slow release I stammered in surprise.
Still works better my way was the response.
It took me a while to realise she was talking rubbish.

If you’re not hungry, then it’s habit making you eat. Apparently it takes 21 days to break or make habits. You’ve proved to yourself you can do it for one week – that means you can do it for another week. After a while it should get easier.

Hi Bill1954,
Thanks for the welcome.
This is the first forum I’ve ever joined. I’ve been haunting the forums for a couple of weeks. Congrats to everyone on here. Your posts have really inspired me to see this through.
Also planning to ever so subtly (and sneakily) lower the carbs in the foods I feed my family. T2 is rampant amongst my siblings & I want to make sure the next generation doesn’t pick up our bad habits.

Day 32 weight 10st 7lbs (a lb back on, but still 9lbs less than start)
Blood sugar 10.8

I have been a bit naughty the last few days, I replaced “good” calories with some “naughty” ones. I had a packet of space raiders 63calories and I had one diabetic chocolate 45 calories. Back on the straight and narrow today. I bought some brown rice and bulgur wheat today. I plan to use the brown rice sparingly now and again. I found some gram flour but didn’t buy it because it wasn’t on my OK list, but I found that it is OK to get, so I’ll get it next time. Found quinoa but it was more than twice the price of bulgur so didn’t bother.
A few of the supermarkets are putting offers on veg which is great for me. 🙆
Had a strange shopping basket if anyone was looking – fresh veg, healthy grains etc and 6 bags of boiled sweets (for my Oldie 👴).😊

I’m relieved that I’m not the only one on slow release Metformin, I asked my doctor for it not long after diagnosis because the wind I generated from the regular stuff would have powered a small town, and the smell was unbelievable. 😅

Hi All,
I have also been haunting the forums for a couple of weeks (thanks to NewLife for getting the delurking under way).
I have just finished week 3 and have lost 6kg (around 13 lbs) so far.
I was healthy weight when I started having kids, but 4 GDM pregnancies in 6 years piled on the kgs and I was diagnosed T2 12months ago. Put straight on meds which made me seriously ill. Went off meds & have simply not been back to the doctor since. Always thought losing weight was the solution, but had only lost 2kg in the last year despite feeling starved and deprived the whole time.
Can’t believe it’s this easy and nobody told me before.
Haven’t felt hungry and no cravings that a glass of water hasn’t fixed. Tried a piece of 85%choc. last night for dinner & for the first time on the diet felt sick to my stomach, so no Easter Eggs for me. For once in my life I don’t even care if I can’t have what everyone else is having.
Fantastic Feeling!

I didn’t know we could have muesli, Judy! What’s in the one you’re eating?

Cherrianne, you’re right about being new to feeling hungry. Definitely something I’m not used to. Used to eat just because it was a meal time, or I was offered a snack, or passed a cake shop … Day 3 today and I’ve already turned down biscuits, chips, chocolate and wine! I’m just telling myself I can’t have them, as though I was allergic, and it’s not been hard.

Karra, if you like yoghurt, get some of that. You can have a small amount of fruit in it as a breakfast, so needn’t miss out on one of your favourites.

Chick peas are great. I hadn’t tried them before. They’re quite filling and feel as though you’re eating carbs. After the 8 weeks, I might switch to them instead of rice.

Hi CurlyGirl
Isn’t it amazing how the habits of a lifetime can be turned around in just a few days ?
I’m over the moon with my results but the most extraordinary thing for me is not just the lack of cravings, it’s the fact that I don’t fancy any of my old food at all. I would have killed for chips and chocolate not too long ago, now I get put off just at the site of them.
Welcome to the forums and don’t forget to let us all know how you get on.

Hello lovely people, I empathise with ‘slipping off’, my husband gets invited to lots of very formal functions, the food is delicious & the wine even more so……… I decided to take a photo of myself, naked, in all my tubby glory, I made sure my stomach was emphasised in the most unflattering way possible. When I am tempted I take a look at that photo & tell myself there’s still a way to go…….

Today is cauliflower soup day because we went out last night & I wasn’t very good as far as the wine was concerned….. So I am being very restrictive for the next 48 hours, that will teach me. I am still losing weight, and am at my ‘thinnest’ in over a decade, but don’t want slip-ups to feature too regularly as there’s only so much soup I can drink!

I am determined to prove to myself that I can do this and that it will need to become a way of life, I’m not into sweet things so much, it’s carbs in savoury food that are my hurdle and those in wine, so I am revisiting all my cooking habits and am learning about ‘new’ foods like coconut & gram flour.

Good luck ONAMISSION, where there’s a will, there’s a way.

Hi everyone. I’m just going to be starting on this blood sugar diet today. Am off to the supermarket to get some healthy food. Any tips on what I should buy, as I am such a fussy eater, love pasta, and white rice and really really love fruit. Fruit is probably my biggest downfall, but don’t know what else to buy other than salad stuff or vegetables. Any suggestions would be most helpful.

NewLife, yes we sound awfully alike don’t we??!? Strangely I’m okay with chocolate if it’s unwrapped but I can eat any amount once it’s open, I think my record (and I’m not proud of this) is 6 cream eggs in about 5 minutes. It’s best if I just stay away completely.

As an aside I weighed myself this morning as that’s officially the end of week one and it’s 10 lbs down and my (fat) clothes feel a bit less snug. I’ve been hungry on occasions but nothing I couldn’t handle and I haven’t been scrupulously counting calories either just being very careful. Here’s hoping I stick at it.

Been reading some of the other blogs and realize I am probably drinking too much milk. I like my coffee and have large cups at frequent intervals with alot of milk.
Drinking fruit teas today – lets see what happens1

Hi FoFi,
I can relate so much to seeing people with ‘nicer’food. Every time I am at an event with buffett style food I end up with ‘plate envy’ when I see what others at my table are eating. This is despite the fact that there’s still plenty of every thing left for me if I want it!
Luckily for me something seemed to click about 3 days in to this plan and I can now prepare meals & even desserts for my hubbie & kids, then happily sit down with my bowl of salad or yoghurt. I decided to look at my Type 2 as an allergy to refined carbs. That helped me to stop blaming myself and just accept it.
Only thing causing me cravings were the diet sodas I was ‘treating’ myself with. Have since cut them out too.
Not hungry and no longer craving. Haven’t felt that way in years.

Hahhaha…Judynocakes…I like that..thanks Bill:)

Hi,
I am about to make vegetable stock, something I have not done for years – but I do remember that it tasted a whole lot better than the bought varieties.
Like any stock, it involves long, slow cooking (slightly less in the pressure cooker) and at the end, sieving the fluid off and discarding the rest.
The discard is mainly the fibre in the veg that you added. The vitamins etc are in the stock. However – where are the carbs, fats and sugars???? I would expect some to be in the discard, but not all? Any thoughts or experience in the group? The other option is to count everything that went into it as part of the stock – it will make probably double the calories of the soups … but maybe that is correct!

NB – I am not look at using it on the 800 diet, but on the 5:2 for the ‘5’ days.

You only have to read these forums to see how well it does work!!

Call me a sceptic if you like folks but I’m with Bill on this one. Too similar to the previous poster advocating the same book. You have to wonder about the motives in knocking something you’ve never tried, but which is backed up by sound research from different well respected sources.

Good start Judy
By the end of 8 weeks we’ll be calling you Judynocakes 😉

Hi everyone else that took the time to post:).. I appreciate all the great advise and kind words of encouragement. I will check in each day to see how you are doing! Thanks again
Jude

Hi Wig!
So nice we are starting together…we can be diet buddies! Well got through the first day…but did have a few cracker (soda) in the evening. I am not upset about it, it is an amazing change for me as I usually snacked continually at night. Had the Muesli this morning, quite tasty. Have you weighed yourself today? I weighed myself, but need to take the picture and measure. So excited to be on this journey to good health!
Jude

HI, I mainly eat plain salad( celery, red pepper, cucumber and tomatoes) with an individual pot (40g) of houmous. Today, I have just had an individual pot of greek yoghurt with a courgette muffin (from the freezer). I did like the beetroot falafel with greek yoghurt but it was a lot of effort to make; I have since found them in a supermarket (and also spinach falafels).