Hi Deb,
Welcome on board. I started with Shakes for 10 days. I was not doing it through a doctor and bought the ones I could get in Boots the Chemist in the UK. The first week although I lost weight, but not as much as others were and nothing off of my waist. I used it for 2 meal replacements a day and had a veggie meal (stir-fry or soup) in the evening. It made it easy to adjust to the 800 cals and I was sure I was not eating too much.
What I had not noticed was that the replacement meal shakes were quite high in carbs – which was why the no change in waist measurements. The following week I found one with higher protein content and lower carbs, oat based and carried on for a few days. I then dropped to one replacement meal (breakfast), soup for lunch and a cooked meal in the evening. By the third week I was cooking everything and ditched the replacement meals.
It was a good way to start – simple and avoids temptations of adding to the plate. Do have a good look at the nutrition breakdown of the Shakes and ensure they are no high carb as that will not hep you.
Good luck.

I struggled with the full fat idea, mostly because my old dieting philosophy was “get the most food for the least calories” so cutting out fat was the way to go – and that’s what “they” said, over and over again. Fat’s nasty, dirty and bad for you anyway, “they” said.

I still catch myself thinking low fat – I am so used to thinking “I can dry fry this” or “if I get the low fat version I can have twice as much”

No longer, though – the portion sizes come down but satiety goes up. 0% yoghurt is the work of the devil!

Hi rob, don’t worry, I. Often have a 2 egg omlette or 2 poached eggs, 2 medium eggs is only 132 calories, very liw carb and. Helps you feel fuller for longer.. You will get used to it.

If you like plainer food. An evening meal of a fried chicken breast with a pile of low carb veg is a good evening meal.

Which regiment did you serve with? My grandad and brother served with the green howards and my dad with the royal artillery 🙂

Hi, tomorrow for me is the start of week 4. I hadn’t realised you weren’t meant to weigh veg. I’ve always referred to my calorie counter book as they all add up! I’m my book spring greens are 20cals and 2g carbs per 3 heaped tablespoons. I’ve always added veg cals in.

I don’t mean to scare you but it does take a while to get your head around things. The book is based on 800 calories a day so if it says one egg, it means one egg. But if you are used to eating a lot of food, you might find it easier to try the 50g of carbs a day approach instead. For example, if a steak is 200 calories, you would only have 600 left if you follow the 800 programme. But if you follow the 50 grams a day of carbs program, you can have as much steak as you want because there are no carbs in steak. You still eat the same med style foods but count carbs not calories.

So its really a question of whether you can live with just 800 calories – many people can. But others might simply need more food than that. I can live with 800 if I have to but I prefer to count carbs because I can then have unlimited eggs, fish, butter, etc. I don’t have to weigh or measure everything.

Hashimoto, would love nothing more that to shake up Texas on this subject. It is needed … in more arenas than just this one!!!

Hello all!

I have been reading (most of) your forum posts and must say that I am inspired by your stories, struggles, and triumphs! I am also looking forward to joining your ranks starting tomorrow (Monday).

I am a Type 2 Diabetic, and I have my GP on board.

What we’ve decided to do is do the shake/meal replacement plus veggies option for at least the first week so we can see how my sugars react. This will also give me a good opportunity to set a meal plan for the following week. I also have major food allergies (nuts, most raw fruit & veg) that I will have to take into consideration so easing into it is the best option.

Has anyone else started off using the shakes/meal replacements? Any other tips would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Deb

Hi all,

Can anyone point me to where Dr Mosely says not to weigh greens? I love spring cabbage and I could eat it all day, but it doesn’t make sense to me that this would not count calorie-wise. Would love to think I could fill up on greens when the nibbles strike.

Thanks in advance.

Wow, this shows how little ( well nothing I know ) about food

So when the book says I can have a poached egg with avacardo I can have 2 eggs??

So the golden rule is 800 cal or 50gm is all I can eat?

Just looked at the 4 week menu and that makes me feel like I am going to be struggling

Hi

Anyone tried the Eat Water carb substitutes: Slim Rice, pasta & noodles. I split a packet 2 or 3 ways a day depending on what I’m eating. So, breakfast stirred in yoghurt with raspberries, tossed through salad, with eavening meat/fish & veg.

I run it through whisked eggs for omelette or scrambled. Nice with cream cheese & chopped bacon/tuna with wilted spinach. Cauliflower sauce over the penne with Parmesan is another. Endless… Regular movements guaranteed LOL

Hi aquatex, re the petition, is there something similar you could start back in the U S of A?
I think the US and Oz have similar problems re state and nation but you could start to rock texas!!! 🙂

Hi folks, we are now up to 68 signatures. Can we have more please?

Do we have anyone in northern ireland to put a mark on the map? 🙂

Hi rob,
Re breakfast:
*omlette
*fried egg and beans
*fritatta
*1 sausage with grilled tomato and mushroom
* fage yoghurt with a sprinkling of ground flax seeds and some raspberries
* you could even have soup
* aldi do little packets of nuts and seeds. That and small bowl blue berries
*2 rashers of bacon and 1 fried egg
* baked beans and small bowl of berries

There are all sorts of combinations, you don’t have to stick to the recipes in the book, just keep to 800 calories or the principles of the diet – i.e. Low carb

Hope that helps 🙂

Hi Rob, one of the best things you can do for yourself at this stage is get to know food a bit better. You don’t need to be a walking encyclopaedia but you do need to develop an understanding of what is good to put in your mouth. Generally the stuff you cook yourself is going to be better for you. So any meat including the skin, eggs as often as you like, as much fish as you can face. Plenty of full fat yoghurt, butter oils, nuts in moderation. Vegetables grown above the ground are better than those grown underground but onions, leeks and carrots aren’t really the enemies in the grand scheme.

Avoid all bread, pasta, rice, potatoes of any kind.

Find an on-line calculator that you like and consult it frequently about foods you don’t know the composition of. I use calorie king because it tells me about carb content. The nhs do a calorie counter which is quite good too, just google them. Porridge is ok but when carbs are important, its quite high.

It might all seem a bit geeky but you really do need to know the basics for yourself, it will make more sense of your weight loss (or any plateaus you experience) as you go on. Do this for yourself. Count your calories up to 800 or your carbs up to 50 grams or both. You can do this, but you do need to put your mind to it. (Write down everything you find out, then you only have to look for the info once!)

Ooof! I feel like a party crasher. Sorry for the confusion about not having mentioned that my measurement questions originated from the other side of the pond. Your responses are, however, most cordial and helpful, and I thank you for them. Christi, an additional thanks for the mention of the petition and the thread where I can find it. We could certainly use that here as well.

And, as for my Yankdom, as we say here at home: “I’m American by birth, but Texan by the grace of God.”

Cheers!

Thanks for this, Jandz, a really helpful link.

I only started on Tuesday but the best way I have found is as mentioned in the book, (if you haven’t read it you should) but I wait for as long as possible to eat – so have my brunch at 11-1230 ish – then have my dinner at about 6-630 – there seems to be room for a little snack as well ..

WIG

Thanks for the reply

I don’t understand what you mean by what I can eat

This is all new to me…I have never read a back of the packet before , I just used to eat the content..go for a run/gym and never give it a thought…

Is porrage good ( the oats one with the Scottish guy on the cover ) as the breakfast menus ( except for the poached eggs/beans with cheese are horrid(((

Week 2 tomorrow.. Help!!!!!!! Lol

Hi thanks for the reply

I until I started the diet had 7 lattes a week ( sometimes more ) every latte came with a muffin !
Then I would bake a cake twice a week
Loved potatoes, pasta and cereals ( oh and the Indians/Chinese meals )

It’s a hell of a journey we are going through, and I have promised my self that I will never over indulge again, but I am a guy who has to eat the packet of biscuits, all the Pringles, burger…etc and then have a banana and think I am ok cos I ate some fruit….only to find out bananas are a no no!!

I do want to wear my jeans and shirt and feel good again so that is a motivation

Dieting for chocolate…. Want to eat the biggest Easter egg!!

However with all that said, I will be mortified if I done that, so with your comments it helps

I am looking forward to the 5:2 diet once I get the weight I need…78-80kg

)) happy Easter

Hi guys

Have a look at these posts from the Fast800 forum, it’ll help you work out a daily plan…just click on the title What have you eaten today

https://thebloodsugardiet.com/forums/topic/what-have-you-eaten-today/

Thanks Hashimoto 🙂

Title should read carbs not cards – flipping predictive text

I am just starting to think about starting and wondering how to do this too! Do people work on a 200kcal breakfast and lunch plus a 400kcal dinner or what. Would like to see some typical days from experienced 800-ers. Any recommended posts or blogs for this?

Sorry just re-read the thread and realised its started by someone in America
Again I can only apologies

You can get a set of ‘cup” measures from most kitchen shops, if you are in uk try Lakeland kitchen shop, have a look on line, www. Lakeland.co.uk cheers everyone

Clever thinking venusflytrap!

Have you seen our petition to promote this diet for diabetics? It has it’s own thread which has information and a link to the petition. 🙂

This might be a daft question but i wanted to check that when counting carbs we count Net carbs and NOT Total carbs?.?

Hi rob,
I felt awful at first, the first day I went to bed thinking I can’t do this, got up the next day, again, thinking I’ve bought all this stuff I can’t give up now, so carried on, felt weak and light headed, ( I chose a time when things were a bit quieter at home) got through that day then the next and so on until I was at the end of the first week and I had lost weight, so I was prepared to carry on, it’s not been easy, I have a really bad sugar addiction, ( unfortunately still have) I have been freezing and starving, I don’t know how I carried on to be honest, I just knew something had to give!
Sorry to sound so negative, what I am saying is it’s not all rosy however stick with it, if i can anyone can! The great thing is that every time you get on the scales you will have lost weight, you may experience a plateau, keep with it though, I will start moving again, I had two weeks where I lost two ounces!
Another tip, sorry, constipation, try having 1tbs flaxseeds (linseeds) with a pint of water one morning, things will star moving soon after.
Finally keep those posts coming and don’t forget to tick the box for notifying you of follow up replies, good luck

In the olden days when I was looking at translating American recipes to UK measurements, I found that cottage cheese tubs were very useful. I used the 8oz size as a cup and the 4oz size as a half cup. Now we’re in “new money”, I suppose that would be a 250g carton as a cup and the 125g tub as a half. My reasoning goes something like this. The US pint is 16 fl oz or half a litre or 500ml. The US measurements are all by volume rather than by weight. So it might be worth checking that the 250g carton is 250ml in size, just to be accurate. Our pints are 20 fl oz so don’t swop in so easily.

Hi Rob,

Clearly all your forces training has given you great mind over matter techniques. But you need to eat!

Yes, it can be a bit of a shock at first to come down to 800 calories but you will find that the lack of carbs reduces your appetite and you won’t feel so hungry. But you need to spend your calories in meat and fats to help achieve that satisfied feeling.

However, there is another way. Many of us on the forums don’t count calories, only carbs. So for instance, we aim for a maximum of 50grams of carbs a day. There are no carbs in eggs, meat, fish or butter and oil. So we eat these freely until we are full, no calorie counting. We still lose weight because of the reduced carbs.

So if you are really struggling with the hunger, try just counting the carbs. But you must only eat when you are hungry and stop eating when you are full. Eat mainly carb free food and veg, stil no pasta, potatoes, bread, etc.

Here’s wishing you a more comfortable week this week!

Great minds lucia I walk up and down stairs a lot in bad weather. Ive been known to drive to a supermarket to get lots of walking done indoors. Then just buy 1 item!
Boog 23 posted in the american thread.

I love sledging – i think i’ll be still doing it at 90 lol. So yes I’ll come with you. No icy snowballs down the neck though! X

Blinking well done Sharon! I am doing a bit of treadmill today in an effort to make up for cherrysconegate earlier in the week – I’d probably have to do about fifty miles to make up for it, though!

Hi Hashimoto
It has been sunny, then as black as night and very heavy rain with wind lashing it against the Windows. No hail yet, but me and Bill 1954 are having a snow ball fight later, do you want to bring your toboggan over?

Mother Nature doesn’t know what to do today.
It may calm down tomorrow.

I am going to walk up and down my stairs a few times, just to get the blubber moving again.

Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi jandz, chilli cheese, now you’re talking my language. Love it. I didn’t mention the fact that I add chilli to my frittata as I thought it might sound odd! 🙂

Ha ha! In that case, let the 6’5 male worry for himself! I checked with the book and the reason 800 was chosen was to give people with diabetes and prediabetes a big push with rapid weight loss. I don’t have either but I am only 5’2 and in the overweight category on the bmi chart. I have always found being vertically challenged makes any weight gain more apparent. But my BMI is gradually coming down and I am nearly back within the healthy range.

Best wishes on your journey, whatever your current make-up, you can improve it with this programme.

Hi boog 23

Are you still there? My Wellington boots are full of water, walking to you. How are you getting on?
You and I blogg d at the beginning of my journey.
I hope you are still on the path and all is well.
Love Lucia
Xxxx

Hi Rob, welcome to the forums. It doesn’t matter which thread you use. You will always be welcome. This is the first time on forums for quite a few of us.
Don’t beat yourself up, we are all on here because of health or weight problems. You are among friends and part of this BSD family.

YES it does get easier. The book says the first two weeks are the hardest, so things will get better soon.

Re food – you could eat meals you are familiar with but ditch the carbs!

Looking forward to your future posts 🙂

I noticed that recipe for fried rice too. What a good idea!

I had friends round for dinner last night and made a few different curry dishes. My fridge and freezer are groaning with all the soups and stews I made during the last few days. Now I have LOTS of dahl as well. As soon as I have cleared some space I am making that fried rice.

Did you get a phenomenal hail storm? My lawn was white for ages xxx

Hi hashimoto

I agree about the frittata, I made a large one for lunches last week and cut into 4 pieces, I don’t mind eating the same food for a few days, just not for weeks like the soup! It’s also a good way to use up bits and bobs from the fridge/freezer as I hate waste.

My frittata had bacon, kale, peppers, red onion and a small amount of grated chilli cheese (I grate it and stick it in freezer as I can only eat small amounts as it’s got a decent kick to it)

I struggle with crudités as I’m not a salad or raw veg kind of person…I’d end up just eating the dip with a spoon haha

Hi please accept this long post
My first time ever joining a forum
95kg male ( always been 73-80kg) accident in work and now I am 95kg((
Just completed the first week))) stuck to the diet as stated in the book ( no treats, no snacks just what was written )
Day 1….keen enthusiastic and determined to do this
Day 2 …keen but avacardo!! Yuk
Day 3… Starving , all I can think about is food
Day 4…up all night starving, don’t think I can do this…
Day 5..woke up starving , feel drained and have no appetite ( took photos of my belly and disgusted , have the motivation again )
Day 6…lovely meals ( steak)
Day 7.. Lovely meals ( chicken )

This diet is so so hard, reading the book helped as what I thought was good eating was so wrong

I am here to be healthier and help others if I can, and hope I will have help also

What’s week 2 going to be like???

This is the first forum I have ever joined so hope I am in the right one!
Just finished the first week on the BSD
Day 1 ..keen enthusiastic, determined..etc
Day 2… Never ate the food I had to eat today ( so hard to eat )
Day 3 starving, didn’t sleep well , wanted food, started to think what the hell where’s the proper food ( but never gave in
Day 4.. Starving, took photos of my belly and was horrified !! I always saw my self as 75kg I am 95kg ( weighed my self a month ago so assuming I was 95kg )
Day 5 not starving but determined as I am still sad with the look at my belly
Day 6 what a day, great menu!! Steak!!!!
Day 7 what a day , but starving

Stuck to the diet religiously don’t feel as if I have lost allot, buying scales next week

Joined the forum so I can help others and hope others will help me

What shocked me was…I was in the armed forces for 10 years , fire service and even a qualified gym instructor…dr Mosley book taught me allot of what I thought was right was wrong!!!

Does it get easier on week 2???

Thankyou blissfulbabe. I don’t have a twitter account myself. Posting on facebook will reach a lot of people! 🙂

Hashminto and Lucia, thank you I am grateful for your advice and yes Lucia I have gone and walked for 40 min, hopefully by the end of eight weeks my dog and I will be the fittest on my block,. I am planning out my weekly menu so there will be no straying of it again. 😀😀😀

Well I am feeling very proud of myself today, I didn’t give in I smelt the chocolate, like i was advised to do, it smelt awful. How did that happen i WAS a chocoholic!!!! No cheesecake or cakes for me either. I can’t believe how quickly my taste buds have changed, this lifestyle change is amazing. I might have a hot cross bun later on. Week 6 todoy 20lb down.

You know I told you all I used to eat Chinese take away until it came out of my ears?

Well, guess what……
In the recipes section, there is a fried rice dish.
Will read it tomorrow and go food shopping. Mmmmmmmmmmm drooling already.

Love Lucia
Xxxxx

Hi reindeen,
Don’t worry, it is only for one hour you went….. Squiffy.
The other 23 hours you were perfect.
Regroup and set your menu for tomorrow.

Come for a walk with us all in Hashimoto’s woods. Smell the wild garlic?
See it’s all behind you.
Post a blog tomorrow to me and tell me you have done well with the day. Maybe do an extra 500 steps.

At least you didn’t have a screaming fit like I did earlier.

Keep going
Love Lucia
Xxx

I’ve signed it and posted the link on my Facebook page via the link on final signing page. I don’t have a Twitter account but I would think social media would be a good start to getting more signatures.

Hi gang,

Right, now where were we?
Ah yes, now about us all being professional regarding our BS800 diet. Let us draw a line under the Easter egg incident.
Now what were we saying, ah yes. Now tomorrow, I need to regroup. Yoghurt and fruit for breakfast.
Tuna salad lunch,
A big dollop of green leaf veg. ( dollop is a technical term) with maybe fish.

There I am back in the pattern,
To all those who ate chocolate, I know, just regroup. I put my head in the dining room cupboards and stayed there until IT had gone. You must go out and buy cupboards to prevent another situation.
To all those who didn’t eat chocolate… Smarty pants!
Love Lucia xxxxx

I use Lactofree semi skimmed milk – 200 mls for 80 calories and 6 gms of carbs. It onlly saves 4 gms of carbs but I am trying to keep to between 20-30 gms of carbs a day and every little helps!

So we’re looking at 5 fluid ounces of yogurt (10 tablespoons)? And measurements for meats (obvious, those) and cheese, fruits, vegetables, etc. will be X ounces weight?

This must sound a bit twitty to some; however, if I use your pre-printed recipe and err in volume vs. weight measurement, it can make a difference, sometimes substantial, in the calorie value of the food. And 800, with a rounding margin of 10, is the daily allowance, no? If it is sufficiently important that a book be written from the research, intended to make this critical tool more widely available, then twitty questions about measurement of ingredients in the recipes included in the books are not only fair, they are essential for compliance.

Thanks.