I was attacked on Facebook a few days ago. Someone asked what happens after the 8 weeks so I posted what the BSD team replied to me on that and, that like any others I am staying on this for a while. Response came back that this is unsustainable, would lead to anorexia and death. I pointed out that those who gave bariatric surgery cannot eat much afterwards and so have low calorie intake. Another attack – writer knew someone who had said surgery, lost weight, stabilised, then started to set all the wrong stuff and gained weight. At that point I decided to maintain a dignified silence. Some battles you just can’t win.

Yes Bill – you read it right. Me – dignified! LOL. Abut I do agree with you about the Facebook group. I see the same comments on there that I used to hear at slimming clubs. I think it started out ok but as it’s got bigger it has changed and I’ve been thinking of leaving the group for a few days.

Folk are much nicer, kinder and supportive on here.

Hi Lucia, so proud of your achievement and it is such a psychological milestone to get into the lower stone bracket, hopefully will be joining you soon. Went out for lunch today and ordered prawn and salmon salad, told them to leave off the potato salad, homemade coleslaw and Marie Rose sauce! How much of a goody 2 shoes are hubby and I!

Woke up this morning feeling so full of energy which is something I haven’t felt in toooo long, potted some herbs (cooking kind) and I am even starting to get bored playing scrabble or watching to and have an itch to get out there and do something slightly energetic, haven’t quite started the fitness kick but a bit like Christmas its on its way! Hopefully not that long though! Having a knee replacement at the end of August so any low impact exercise tips would be appreciated.

Once again your success and enthusiasm is an inspiration

Indeed. Stick to us and ignore the FB group Bill, we all love and appreciate you on here😉

I think I already have a rep with the docs, Bill. It was the consultant i didn’t take any notice of after he told me I was disabled for life (I wasn’t standing for that – hence the horse riding with a full cast on my leg) and that I needed to lose a lot of weight. I was 8 and a half stones (5’4) and he had an enormous beer belly. He said it absolutely seriously ! One of the young doctors with him popped back in my room and said he couldn’t believe what he had just said to me.

My doctors are very good and I do listen to them – they discuss and listen to you. I think your doctor (hopefully ) wants to find out more from you. Your results speak for themselves. You might soon be the cause of advice to diabetics changing in your practice. I hope so.

There must be an element of the attitudes we have in everyone on these forums or they wouldn’t be trying this.

Really looking forward to what happens on the 30th 🙂

Hi, think I’ll have a go at fish with no batter, will be easier than having different food than the rest of the family. Also, kippers are a personal favourite, so will definitely pop to Craster.

Just got home to the smell of chick pea and lentil curry that’s been in the slow cooker all day as I knew I’d be pushed for time today….. Will let you know what it’s like!

Hi Bill & fellow BSDers, I have a hereditary eye condition which pre-disposes me to raised eye pressure and had hoped that the original diet I was on (SIRT) followed by this one (mind you only a week on this) would have lowered by eye pressures as it has done with my blood pressure, (normal now without drugs for the 1st time in years,) but it hasn’t – it will be interesting to see the long-term effect of a major change in diet when I have my next check-up in 6 months time.

A while back I decided that I wasn’t going to totally give up F&Chips, but the shop that does the best fish here in Kent does very poor chips, so I usually only have a couple & no chips means no ketchup, which as we are hearing non-stop on the radio today is about as bad, if not worse than fizzy drinks for sugar content! Mind you no-one is going to eat a gallon of ketchup in 1 sitting so the ‘ketchup question’ is a touch spurious.

To eat healthier I have been baking fresh fish with herbs & lemon & having sweet potato chips ( 1 spud between myself & my husband) for a while anyway & will get out the carb counter to make sure I can still do this on the diet/new way of life.

Bill, I just wanted to add my hugs to the many you have been receiving on this forum, you are going through a very tough time & I can only imagine what you must be feeling about tomorrow’s hospital appt.

Had 3 small falafels for breakfast to use them up, and having home made prawn stir-fry with a mass of veggies (kale, book choi, celery, red pepper, broccoli, onion & a hit of chilli) for dinner tonight, no lunch.

Scotgran
sincere apologies for derailing your thread
Personally I would ditch the app but I can see how it helps some people, it’s just a matter of personal taste, I feel confident enough now to guesstimate the carbs and cals in my food and I seem to be doing OK
Go back to what you were doing, it worked then, it still will.

LMAO
Judith, you and me are going to get a reputation at the docs.
I know that lots of folk just accept a doctors opinion as fact, if more disputed it we possibly wouldn’t be stuck in the rut that we are in.
In fact I suspect that a doctors words get much more undivided attention than a teachers ever does.

Cherrieanne, I think you are right, I should enter in in the morning and stick to it. As it is, I enter in the evening when I’ve eaten my three meals , then think, oh goodie, i can stuff myself. Wrong approach methinks!

Different strokes for different folks Julia
If they are happy putting up with that sort of stuff over there, then good for them.
It’s not for me though

You don’t want to hear my real feelings about Facebook anyway, the kids all put their whole lives up there.
Remember that George Orwell book 1984. Big brother is watching you ?
Big brother is no longer needed they gave us Facebook and we voluntarily give out all the info they need
So basically I joined the group to see what was going on and to act, more or less the same way as I do on here, it’s a nonsensity and seeing as Penny got similar treatment, probably not for me.

Hi Ditzidora,
We always have fish and chips on a Friday no matter what diet we’re on. However, we remove most of the batter (surprisingly, after a month or two of doing this we didn’t want it any more – tasted far too fatty) and share a regular portion of chips between us.
The other suprise is that I’m nearly always a pound down on Saturday Morning. Could be ‘cos knowing the f&c is on the menu, I’m a bit more frugal earlier in the day.
Life would be much the poorer without the odd treat and I’ve still lost 17lbs so far so it can’t be doing too much harm.

Good on yer mate, as our aussie friends might say. So that is you and penny who have had a bad response while trying to help someone. But you KNOW you are right Bill. If you do get barred it is their loss the fools

Ha ha Bill that reminded me of something that happened to me years ago, I had spent absolutely ages convincing the dr that I was not in agony with my damaged leg. He had said he had my MR scan in front of him and I must be in a lot of pain. His next move was to say he had been monitoring patients who had had heroic surgery, none of them with an injury as severe and all complaining of pain – so how have you done it?

Answer: I have ignored everything the consultant told me, so I horse ride, ballroom dance and go on two hill walks a week and eat lots of chillies to reduce inflammation.

Then he wanted a 2 week diary of everything I ate and did so he could make recommendations to other patients.

Now you’re in the same position with a different problem

Bill – Captain Lynne told me the same thing. I have avoided the FB group for the same reason !

Hi OP

Well done for progress so far and welcome to the forums. I know you have been reading and there is plenty of info and support on the various threads, so be sure to use them – especially when things get a bit tough.

Think week 2 can be a difficult one for many, but you will soon be out the other side and moving on. Don’t panic if you plateau, it happens and is sent to try us. Things will come right.

Look forward to hearing your progress reports – good luck.

Penny ???
I thought you were on a plane to India ?
I just got the same sort of treatment on the Facebook page as you did, very touchy over there aren’t they ?

Thanks Judith
would you believe I’ve just been savaged in the closed facebook group for trying to help someone who had a relapse and in her words, can’t stop putting bad things in her mouth.
The worst is it wasn’t even her who had a go at me but someone who considers herself as a strong woman who will not be told what to think or do by ANYONE
*But she’s following a diet from a book.*
I’m afraid I live with a very strong woman and I’m well used to dealing with this.
Time to reload both barrels as I emptied them at her and will probably get banned for it.

Hi yogi, i used 8 oz flour, 2 eggs. Divided the results into 6 small portions – approx 100 calories a portion. And have frozen 4 portions. I don’t see why it won’t work. I. Intend dropping them frozen into boiling water with a splash of olive oil when I. Next have them 🙂

It’s very strange Janet, I mean how can you do the same thing for a week, lose no weight, and then lose 3 pounds overnight
I’m not even going to try to understand it.

Done, bill

Thanks Christi
I think it maybe blood pressure as captainlynne mentioned. Have an appointment at doctor’s tomorrow so will get her to check while I’m there. Yes these forums are great feel so inspired. Thanks for the support🙃

Sometimes I find myself asking the bigger questions in life. For instance, when exactly does weight loss occur? Not how but when? Is it when I am asleep? Do fairies get drafted in when a special bell rings because I have been truly good and can have a pound removed? Or is it happening all the time? If so, I’d never know as I am always heavier in the evening than the morning? The reason for such a strange line of questioning is that I’m wondering whether there is also a time lag between my actions and the results. I was quite naughty on Monday evening, for only the third time in five weeks which is very good for me. Of course, I didn’t dare face the scales on Wednesday morning but yesterday morning I still lost half a pound. However, my ketosis has been negligible to non existent since Tuesday even though I was straight back on the plan. I’m not disheartened in any way, just curious.

Similarly Bill, I have no idea how to explain your readings. My dad had T1 most of his adult life but T2 has thankfully not touched my family yet. However your ketosis is good and encouraging so keep doing what you are doing👼

Hi Marrika
I use Calorieking. Com on the web, not an app. Didn’t realise there was an app! Penny

No Carommartin I’m not slavish at the moment about carb count I have averaged 64 g this week as you will see on myfitnesspal under nutrition you can look at it on a daily basis or weekly I like you like my oats in the morning and that with an apple adds up to 28.6 and if then have lentils or some other pulse it goes up. At the moment I am not hungry so again averaging less fat at the moment, I love love veg so I just slice everything really thin it makes it look more and more chewing involved. Celery spinach,shredded cabbage, lettuce, peppers either in a broth or a salad with a tsp olive oil mustard and vinegar. Thanks re weight loss pleased as punch. You can do it you know I would go with the 5:2 if you are suffering. I also had emptied everything from fridge cupboards etc but so far no great desire for toast etc. I was fond of that but hey all seems good. 🙃

You were posher than us bill, no frames or nice patterns – just any colours in any order! 🙂

Bill 4 nights?????????

Well done rico61, you are certainly flying the flag! Definitely an inspiration to the rest of us.

My meals today:

Breakfast – yogurt, blueberries, ground linseed topping, mixed seeds and psyllium husk
Lunch – 75g of king prawns, dusted with coconut flour, hot paprika and sesame seeds, fried in 15g butter, squeeze of lemon (thanks for the idea Bill)
Dinner – the chicken I didn’t have yesterday, cavolo nero, asparagus and mini sweetcorn (if cals/carbs permit)

Water and herbal teas – talking of which, time to put the kettle on!

Hi innermonologue, I have loved cooking since I was knee high. That latest recipe I put together specifically for madmedic who said they were finding the food expensive. I had priced it the dish (very cheap) and put together a list of a weeks grocery shop and a list of meals you could make from it as a help but I haven’t noticed them on the forums since. If you were wondering about half aubergine I was thinking it could be turned into aubergine dip or sliced, fried then put under the grill topped with tomato and cheese as a light lunch.

If you like spicy food try the courgette bhajis – i forgot to add a teaspoon of lemon juice in the ingredients list.

🙂

Hi Ali2on

If you are struggling to get up to the 800cals, check your fat intake – are you using full fat products? This and the water intake should help with the hunger pangs. The fat helps to make you feel sated longer and also helps your body to shift into fat burning mode. It’s okay to be under the 800 occasionally, but probably not wise to run permanently on a much lower level. It will peak and trough though, as there will probably be days along the way, when you go a bit over on the 800.

Someone gave me a tip the other day, to draw little pictures of 5 glasses and 5 cups and check them off as you drink them. It’s certainly helped me to hit the minimum target.

Look forward to hearing how you have done when you get to weigh-in.

I’ve been chuckling about this
Along with my blood test results this week I was given an appointment for the 30th to discuss them with a doc and a sort of questionaire form. One of the questions is “How can you see yourself moving forward to improve your diabetes?
I’ve wrote “Ignore all medical advice and stick with the diet that I found myself which is producing great results and will eventually get me off medication”

Now THAT is going to be an interesting conversation.

Wow rico, THREE stones!!!! Well done!

Soda with a slice of lime, spritzer with just a drop of white wine occurs to me
Take paracetamol for the headaches, they will go away soon and make sure to get that 2 to 3 litres of fluid in you, it really does help with the headaches and constipation.
The hunger will go too, it’s just carb cravings really
Best of luck, you will be smaller this time next week.

Hi tish-ren, you will slim down faster than you think! 🙂

Once again I had an abnormally high fasting sugar reading today (9.9) but my ketosis reading is 4
I’ve fairly well convinced myself that it’s stored sugar and fat being released that is causing this so I’ll just go with it in the hope that my liver and pancreas will be fat and sugar free well ahead of me.

I’m on my 4th day, so not checked any weight loss or anything yet, but a little concerned that the first 2 days I struggled to actually get up to 800 calories! On day 3 I made it by having scrambled eggs for breakfast.

I have to admit to feeling a bit more hungry today, but also head-achy, so I’m probably not getting enough water which will account for some of the hunger, too.

Also, does anyone have suggestions of what to drink when out with friends? Seems a bit bad to go to a pub and only drink water.

Hi Judith
if you don’t mind, could you email me your way of making this.
I tried it at the weekend and it was a disaster, I followed your lead and used an oiled board and rolling pin but the mix was so sticky, I couldn’t get it off my hands and it still stuck like glue to the board.
Worse still, I had already made a lovely spinach and ricotta filling. That went into an omelette but I missed the pasta.
I wonder if chilling it for a couple of hours would help

Oh yes, dead, buried, and well hidden 🙂

Hi White Flour
The chick pea pasta recipe looks quite easy. Does the dough keep in the fridge and if so, for how long? Can you freeze it? Or can you dry it like ordinary pasta?

Thanks!

LOL, Bill! ‘What happens in Chemnitz stays in Chemnitz’?

Judith the frames were the wooden framework that had the canvas stretched across so you could prog the clippings through it.
Posh people had proper metal proggers, we used half a sharpened clothes peg 😀
My Grandad was a bit of an artist and produced some lovely designs, my Grans favourite rug was black with a huge red rose in the centre

3 stone – incredible! Im afraid my meals aren’t nearly as exotic sounding as some on here!
B – yoghurt and 10 black cherries
L – 2 scrambled eggs (started eating and felt really sick so only ate about half)
D – 2 slices boiled ham/small salad

Tea/water

OMG Paddy’s day
I remember driving down to a new Irish pub in Chemnitz for Paddys day night
Got back to the digs 4 days later, the boss was NOT impressed 😉

Hi, fatty *waves*. I’ve spent some time in Germany in the past too… Their health food stores (and even the supermarkets) tend to be amazing for lots of healthy ingredients, fruit teas, etc. Can’t imagine living in Germany and not liking beer, though. Enjoy the Paddy’s night fun 😉

In a way I’m slightly jealous that you can just feed yourself without having to worry about other family members – I’m finding it a bit of a pain to cook separately for me vs the rest of the clan so I’m trying to adapt their meals to suit me (e.g. by just eating more of the meat and none of the carbs).

Hashimoto, I’ve just noticed that a lot of the recipes are your inventions – are you a keen cook? I am planning to try some soon. 🙂

For me -this is a pre-emptive strike against developing diabetes and a way of becoming healthier/losing weight. There is a lot to lose – at least 20kg. I’m conceiving of it as an experiment, what will my body do under these conditions?

For what it’s worth, random things I’ve noticed;

Week one was lucky not to feel very hungry. I lost weight fast.
Week two, hunger is still not predominate but sometimes I am so in need of food (low blood sugar) …I snap my family’s (collective) head off until I get to eat :/
Vegetables are key for filling up enough, and I don’t do as well if I don’t have time to prepare them
My skin looks better. I look healthier.
Week two, not sure if I’m losing anything yet- but keeping faith from what I’ve read of others posts suggesting plateaus
Enjoyed the pleasure of trying on some pants I previously could not get on, and to my surprise and pleasure – could do them up!!
I’m starting to remember the feeling -its still distant- of what it feels like to be a healthy weight. It’s a shock to realise it’s been so many years and it’s hard to imagine what it will feel like to be that way again. I can’t believe I’ve been missing this long.
I feel determined.
I love the support and information shared on these pages and am grateful for it.
OP

Thanks Hashimoto…. Don t feel sad… I have been quite happily a fatty boom baa all my life…. not ashamed of it… but really have a medical need to change now… so I am going to…
Thank you also for your advice…. measuring right now….

And Bill, yes if your a beer drinker life is pretty grand here… however I HATE IT!!! so sitting around in pub and at beer festivas really does not rock my lil boat… having said that am going to an Irish festivity tonight… really I meant that I have no social family obligations here so that being in charge of what I shove in my gob is much easier…X

I don’t remember frames but I do remember helping with the making of clippy mats! Yeh, we’re definitely showing our age and yup I still remember the stiff arms! 🙂

Hi fatty (I feel sad writing ‘fatty’) welcome to the forums! I would get the tape measure out, you will be able to measure changes from this point – and there WILL be changes! And those clothes will soon be too big for you!

Take some paracetamol for the headaches, they won’t last long! 🙂

Coconut prawns were YUM!! Had some I didn’t use for dinner last night, so decided to have them for lunch. Dusted them with coconut flour, a little hot paprika (a personal fav) and a sprinkle of sesame seeds. Fried them off in butter – delicious with a squeeze of lemon. Will definitely be doing those again. Thanks for the idea Bill.

Rico61 3 stone!!!
That is incredible, you must be really proud of yourself, well done.
If any new starter needs any motivation, this is the only post they need to read.
I only hope I can emulate you eventually.