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  • posted by CuriousDieter
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    Snoop, Thanks for the prompt reply and good luck with your dieting.
    CD.

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hi curious dieter and snoop,
    No I jadn’t seen it si sorry.
    (I’m Claire by the way!).
    Yes as Snoop says there’s a study on it by Dr Brian Moffat
    I went and met Dr Brian Moffat and he had a great deal of info to impart..
    soutraaisle.org
    Will give you their site and info… he’s been researching the ancient first uk hospital outside Edinburgh morgue so he could understand how they did operations a mnd what plants were used to help treat people. So many plants grow all around this old area.
    The heath pea (lathryus linifolus) is thought to have been used to help those who couldn’t eat much say after operations etc…
    And then this plant was first written about by the Romans in 250AD ! About how the locals had it hanging up in their rafters ready to eat at will..
    It kept people alive during famines!
    You only eat the tubers. I have and it definitely helped!!
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    Sadly my stock here (south UK) wasn’t watered and died so I’m ordering more. (Chap is hard to reach)
    I know where is grows and up North have plants growing.
    It take 4yrs for a plant to reach maturity before it can be harvested in autumn when it does back for winter.
    It used to be really prolific but now is moderately common bit you have to look for it.
    The re is a similar plant in the Vetch family that is NOT the correct one and that is toxic but it’s nit thought that there is anything but benefit to the LL..
    I’m sensitive to all drugs so when I tried this, I found by having only .2g (about 5mmx3mm x 3mm (tiny)), every 3 days? was working.. and that this builds up.
    A friend who was interested ate all his stock at once and he said it didn’t do anything for him..but he is still growing it quite successfully.
    I know others too who have it growing.

    A whole commercial approach was made and I went and chatted to them too. Sadly they couldn’t produce enough to take it to market.
    If you can find me on my heath pea group we can talk more through that?

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    Hi snoop
    I’d love to know your findings and why you believe the LL isn’t good for you?
    Clearly you’ve researched it so did you find other research papers etc? :).I’d love to know!
    I will get back to eating more when I’ve built up more stock.

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    Good day , hope you all been well.

    Got my blood results today, Cholesterol 4.1 mmol/L tick , HBA1C sugars 5.1% tick.
    Uric Acit 0.656 mmol/L, high should be below .50, no wonder my gout been playing up, need to work on this big time.
    Also my vitamin D & B12 Actice is below minimum , all the rain here & lack of sunshine hasnt helped, might have to get supplements.

    Have a good one everyone, keep it going!

  • posted by CuriousDieter
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    Hi AuroraMagic,
    Thanks for your reply and the extra info, that’s very helpful!
    Snoop’s reference to the Strathclyde research has given me lots to chew upon.(Pun intended!)
    Good luck with your dieting!
    CD.

  • posted by Snoop
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    Morning all.
    Re Heath pea, when I went looking for info on the web, the first posts I came across reported potential toxicity. These were on plant-related websites rather than medical/health websites. If you’re eating only tiny amounts, then maybe it’s OK. But getting the right dose could be crucial.
    Good blood analysis, bloke41, on the things that count. How will you go about sorting out the uric acid? Supplements are useful. I take lansoprazole, so take magnesium, zinc and vitamin B complex, as these can’t easily be absorbed from food when on this medication. No need for vitamin D here! I also take green lipped mussel extract for arthritis. My mum is wheelchair-bound fundamentally due to arthritis, so another good reason to take some weight off my joints!
    Have a great day, everyone.

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    Hi Snoop
    That’s interesting… I too went looking everywhere but hadn’t found very much at all.
    There are similar Vetch’s that can be toxic. I’ve not read anywhere that it can be. Nor when I’ve seen and spoken to the various people having done a lot of research have they found issues. Obvious not eating the plant but just the tubers….
    Interesting all rats fed it lost weight..
    I forget the stats now but I have all the links and data …

    Hi bloke54,
    That looks great re the cholesterol. I have a family inherited issue and it hovers around 7 on this way of eating!
    I had gout many yrs ago and it’s an annoying pain! I took some tablets (forget what they were now) and it sorted it. They had no idea how I got it but the tabs cured it. I’m guessing it was an over sugar issue as I v v rarely drink even all those yrs ago!
    But hope you get things sorted. Even harder when meds stop other functions working. So really good luck! πŸ˜€

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    Good to hear about Heath Pea !! Very interesting. Amazing how old remedies have been forgotten

    Im on day 3 with 2 days of NO BREAD

    Does anyone else get a ‘buzz’ and a slight lift for the day when any weight is lost ?
    I’m down 6 pounds so far with my next weigh in Saturday

    I do find it incredibly easy to be tempted by any sort of snack and if I have one then the flood gates open so Im trying to be very strict

    My sister is on 16 hr 8hr FAST diet and is very strict. I find the limited time for eating does help cut snacks etc as they just cant be had outside the 8 eating hours (Mind you its early days !!)

    Keep on going

    54

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hiya 54
    I’m amazed how many pounds people can lose !
    I find that I only drop the odd pound or two.
    I guess I need to eat even less… !
    I do often only have 2 meals a day but my worst days are the hungry one’s…
    I ‘naturally’ only eat within about 11am (unless I do decide to have brekky) and 11pm but try to have my evening meal around 8pm ish.
    But my days can wildly vary.
    But when I was regularly taking the Heath Pea and I had my tiny bit every 3 days I found I just wasn’t ‘getting hungry’ which for me was a total revelation! Even didn’t get too thirsty and as I love my milky tea (I do cut the milk down) and it gives you what I’d call ‘persistent energy’… so I found I could just ‘keep going’… but I am a bit like that anyway!
    One of Dr Brian Moffat’s friends found he didn’t want to eat for 3 wks when eating a ‘whole’ tuber… but they cab vary in size. They grow outwards from the original plant in that area and that plant can have the largest tubers.
    I’ve a friend who travels around the countryside and we’re slowly making a map of some locations…. but they can vary from year to year as to how much it grows. Perhaps why the Romans found local Highlanders had it hanging from rafters for the famine times? I think that makes total and perfect sense. I mean to say before that Dr.Moffats research paper on the Soutra Aisle he sells for Β£10 each. He does tours at the site too. Their website tells you all the info. πŸ™‚

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    Hi Aurora

    Heath Pea:
    Does sound faciinating!!
    Ill have a look into it further when I get a moment !!

    Weight loss:
    I find it quite strange and upsetting to lose say 6 pounds then to find next time on the scales to have either a) put it all back on or b) gone up instead of down further when the eating activity and exercise and sleep patterns etc are exactly the same !!

    Im now day 4 3 without ANY bread

    Im trying to stick with 16 /8 fasting so can fit in two meals, a BRUNCH which is either something breakfasty or something lunchy and an evening meal from the BSD menu book

    I’m following the 8 week diet plan BUT for each day I select from the 8 evening meals available across the whole 8 weeks of the plan which a) Means I get to eat something I fancy without breaking the BSD approach and going ‘off piste’ and b) means I dont have to look too far the ingredients ie I tend to look in the frindge, see what we have and then choose a meal from the choice of 8 that fits !!

    Im drinking water when feel hungry and trying VERY HARD not to snack between meals and to ‘track’ the calories if I do

    Keep on going

    54

    (HAPPY JUBILEE !)

    ps Im trying to work out what I can and cant eat at the local street party as there will be SO MANY temptations !!

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    Gday all,
    Snoop, as home remedies didn’t work for me this time, I reluctantly had to get some scrips for Indomethacin and lengout. Only can be used for short term as it can damage your kidneys. It took the edge of the pain. My new quack wants to put me on a preventive tablet for life Allopurinol. My dad has taken that every day since his late 20s and he still sometimes gets a attack. I don’t want a bar of it. Have done a lot of research lately and they mention losing drastic amount of weight can increase you uric acid levels. Catch 22, may have take it little slower if another attack happens.

    54, good going on your weight loss, always tough when you go out to eat. I have a work dinner tomorrow night, gotta pick wisely.

    Aurora, I was worried about potential cholesterol issues, I been cooking everything in olive oil , butter and coconut oil liberly. Plus been having a whole avocado a day and couple of eggs and full fat cheese every other day. I quite haven’t got my head around in cooking food in bacon fat yet, think will just stick to eating bacon. My new quack wants me to go see dietician for balance diet plan, though I know that won’t work for me, carbs make me fat, without a shadow of doubt and I can’t sustain counting calories for rest of my life. I have been following few quacks on YouTube who advocate keto/fasting. I recommend Dr Ken Berry, Dr Jason Fang, Dr Eric Westman and Dr Eric Berg, for anyone whose thinking of trying keto or fasting. It helped me to restart my journey in another direction.
    Time to get some shut eye, and remember just one thing never Bloody give up!

  • posted by Snoop
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    Evening all.
    Ah, the vagaries of scales. They are very annoying. I feel your pain, 54. Even though I weigh myself every day, I try to only worry about week on week figures, when with any luck the ups and downs will have sorted themselves out into a proper down. Even so, I do fret when it looks like I’ve put some back on.
    Sorry to hear about the gout medication problem, bloke41. In the past, I’ve had assorted aches and pains (possible gall bladder?) when trying for fast weight loss. Not so much this time, possibly because I’m relaxing a bit at the weekends. I’ve heard gout is excruciating, but not sure I’d want to swap potential kidney damage for relief. Plus you never know, you might get a sympathetic dietician. And if not, just insist they come up with a plan that excludes carbs.
    AuroraMagic, you have a lot less to lose than us, so it’s not surprising your weight is dropping more slowly. I’m expecting the same to happen when I eventually reach your weight. You might be frustrated, but I’m really looking forward to the day I weigh what you do! πŸ™‚
    As for me, I had a morning of steady hard labour in the garden and have stuck within the diet guidelines on food. In fact, I’m feeling quite positive and even said to myself the other day ‘I don’t need to bite my fingernails anymore’. Now that would be even more of a miracle than reaching a healthy weight!

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hi all (sorry being lazy and dinner is cooking)
    Yeah I was up at nearly 12st OMG when I started this!!
    But so so keen to get lower.. bit yeah there’s always someone less heavy than you.
    Like most people I sadly compare myself often.
    I decided as it’s a way if eating I don’t mind if it’s slow.
    I’m strapped for cash (trying to get biz back on it’s feet)… and with energy bow at such eye watering figures my food budget is cut right down.

    I don’t cook in any fat just water mostly now and a little veg oil added if really needed. I have butter to add in a few things.
    So i mostly have a veg and meat or fish for dinner, salad for lunch and eggs or yog/frozen fruit thawed etc… so do ok but it’s basic healthy… and nuts and my nemesis dark chocolate! Ooops!

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    G’day all,

    Spending the arvo in back garden, oh boy, 3 months of constant rain, it’s turned in to a jungle. Looks like might be spending next month of weekends in garden if rain stays away.
    Weighed in at 126.2 kg this morning, 0.10kg loss for the week and 38.6kg down since 25 Jan. Little disappointing but least it’s not a gain. I wanted to slow it down a little,think I over did it on portion size. Just need to cut down portion size, aiming for 0.50 kg loss per week. Hope you all having a good weekend. Have a good one!

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    Hi Bloke 41

    PORTION SIZE

    yes that a key

    I started again last week and the first thing I noticed when cooking a BSD meal for six was how SMALL the portions were (Now in the freezer for lunches) so have many veg with them also !!

    My Jubilee hog roast dilemma turned out quite simple. I gave the bun to the birds and the pork but was not that nice so gave that to the nearest friendly dog !!

    This is now day 7 with 6 no bread days so that’s the tick I was looking for
    scales day tuesday so ill see how its going then !!

    54

    x

  • posted by Snoop
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    Morning all.
    My weekly weigh-in: 400 g down over the week. 5.8 kg down in total so far. A bit of a minor miracle to be honest, as we had a three days of partying here (not the queen’s jubilee but village festivities). It’ll be a bit of a relief to get back on the straight and narrow now.
    I’m like you, 54, pile the plate high with veg. We had quail in a spicy sauce yesterday, a tiny little bird, but the rest of the plate was full of grilled veg. So long as OH has ‘volume’ of food, he doesn’t notice the lack of calories it seems to me. Getting more than my five-a-day for sure.
    Here’s another win: I’d rather have a zero tonic with ice and lemon than a beer of an evening now. Much more refreshing. Mind you, gin gets added Friday and Saturday, though not much in my case. Honest. πŸ™‚

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    Hi Snoop

    Festivals sound great (hope the sun came out!)

    BOOZE

    its a funny one. For many years people kept telling me ‘cut the booze and you’ll loose !!

    every time I had a wine or two or three someone was bound to say it (My mum used to say it many many many years ago!!)

    I enjoy a social drink and 1 or 2 or 3 once in a while I thought was great and a great relaxer and great for my well being etc etc

    so a couple of years ago I measured what i drank for 6 months and my food intake and then gave up totally for 6 months

    The result was that my weight lose continued at exactly the same average rate

    Im assuming that its perhaps because i wasn’t drinking lots and lots and when i did have a drink i was conscious of the calories so perhaps subconsciously cut back somewhere else

    The upshot was that I felt quite miserable not being able to have a drink and much more relaxed now knowing i can have one if and when i want one so i am now a moderate social drinker !! (Plus 1 or 2 or 3 when i fancy !!)

    My good news is that I’m on day 11, 10 without bread, My weight is down with next weigh-in Saturday

    Bread is my nemesis !! I have had many debates with myself over whether or not a crumpet or a bagel or a wrap is really bread !!

    Kepp on going

    54

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hi 54 , Snoop and all,
    Quick reply,
    Pleased that many have enjoyed some festivities.
    I went to Central Lomfon’s parade with my nut bag and some squash! Had a great time and videoed everything! 😁
    I love bread too as you know but will only make it rarely and no plans now til late July.
    Getting stuck into the gardening DIY, now but spent yonks this last week on how to afford the mad energy & land line phone contract, and money lists so there’s leave some money for food & bit of fuel !! All v stressful so had some choc y’day, my real nemesis.
    Hard to know re your drink…it’s the sugar in it that’s the real issue… I barely bother to drink at all and have lots about that usually dies before I open it!!
    I’d find some less sugary if you can but each to their own solutions..!!. 😁
    Otherwise my food and meals are all great… trying to eat up my oldest freezer stuff now I’m south!
    But will need to buy more soonish!
    Almost dread seeing the higher costs when I go!! Gulp!
    I find a waist belt helps tell me if I’m really losing…and there’s some improvement – 😁. My scales aren’t very accurate but do indicate a small drop! 😁

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    Really feel for you, AM, about the money worries. Terrible in themselves plus so all-consuming of mental and emotional energy. I’ve been there more than once. Hope you manage to find solutions.
    As for the chocolate, it used to be one of my nemeses too. That and crisps, among all the other things. But we’ve had a bag of crisps unopened for well over a week now. And I bought some chocolate at Lidl the other day for weekend consumption – only the small bars, because once one is opened, we’d normally finish it – but in fact I’d forgotten all about it till your post. Unheard of! I usually know down to the last square what we have in the way of chocolate in the house. Fingers crossed this carries on. Seems unlikely but you never know.
    Congrats on the waist belt shrinkage and the scales drop.
    And yes, 54, they really are bread!
    Keeping on going and never bloody giving up.

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    Hi snoop Aurora and team

    Waistband great AM, Ive a pair of trousers with a ‘cord’ where the knot is so tight I cant alter it so these are a great indicator. If I get them on its good, if they ‘slip’ off its better, if I cant get in them its back in the cupboard !!

    Thanks yes, low sugar drinks are preferred but just under not drinking at all

    What fun going to the Parade. I watched on tell as I was working but must have been great to be there

    Not weighed today,, that’s tomorrow mornings fun !!

    Have found my new goto snacks are Olives !! (Not missing chocolate yet and making a WIDE birth of the biscuit box!)

    keep on going

    54

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    Good afternoon everyone, hope your weekend going well.
    Stepped on the scale this morning at 124.7kg, 1.5kg down for the week. 40.1kg down since 25 Jan. My 99 kg is in sight but still a long road ahead. Still been avoiding all sugars & carbs like crazy. Did OMAD for 4 days of the week and rest of the week did 2MAD. My cravings have come in waves, but managed to keep them in check. I have kept to my 10K steps per day. My gout improved this week, still can feel little niggles, though hasn’t stopped me being active. I have been working from home since feb as our office went under in the lismore floods. We have a temporary office set up for the future, so back to the office for least 1 day a week, hoping i will be able to stay on the straight and narrow. Take care all, and stay positive and keep it up!

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    Hiya bloke 41 Snoop and team,
    Ach Bloke41 sounds like you’re doing great! Huge Well Done to you.
    For me too it’s been a slow as steady progress and try to keep it off!! But I do struggle as we all do.
    But this way of eating I really like, and can (mostly) stick to it!! 😁😁

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    Morning guys.
    My weekly weigh-in today: 900 g down, 6.7 kg in total. Thought I was going to report a slightly bigger loss but the scales say I put on 200 g yesterday. Ah well. If it’s not to be today, it’ll be another day.
    Pleased with the loss, in fact, but I need to up my activity levels. But it’s so hot here at the moment that it’s not easy to do. Bad enough sitting at the computer and working, let alone doing any gardening out in the blazing sunshine.
    My husband is starting to look askance at the small portion sizes, though I’m doing fine.
    Hope you’re all doing well, taking large detours around biscuit boxes and the like.

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    Hi snoop
    That’s all progress well done!!
    As you say another day more greater losses!! Bit all are a plus. One of the few times a negative is a positive! πŸ‘πŸ˜
    I just don’t buy biscuits, and lucky in a way from that perspective that I’m by myself!
    But that choc tin is an issue I have to address!!

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    Sounds great Bloke (not the gout)

    A ‘young’ friend said they had gout at the moment and it was very very painful. They are fit and healthy so I just stared at them when they said gout !! (perhaps I need some gout education !!)

    Yes Snoop Scales are sneaky things. A small gain when unexpected and then a big lose when small was expected !! (morelikeley with me small loss when big expected /hoped for!!)

    Day 17 and still losing everytime on scales, MUCH slower and a lot less than I hoped for

    It is an everyday task/fight at the moment

    Yes snoop, big tours around the chocolates (Luckily not my thing, unlike my nemesis BREAD !!) and avoiding the biscuits AM (I just should not by them for the family !!)

    Keep on going

    54

  • posted by bloke41
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    Gday Aurora,Snoop & 54,

    Thanks Aurora, slow and steady is good, in the end l think may help with maintaining weight loss.

    Good going Snoop, its tough to increase the activity level when its hot, sometimes struggle here as its been bloody freezing. Though managed to get outside yesterday for a walk with wifey.

    54, day 17 good going, hopefully will only get easier as time passes on, though must admit some days l could go a fresh loaf of bread to my self…

    Week 21 of my journey, weighed in at 123.9Kg, 0.80 kg loss for the week. 40.90kg loss to date. Was aiming for a 1kg loss, though still pleased the trend is going downwards. Did a comparison with my last journey when l was counting calories, had a loss of 42.70Kg for same time frame. Not a huge difference, though im finding not counting calories and eating till im full or stuffed with IF seems to more satisfying. I guess it really doesnt matter how you do it, its more can you maintain it in the end. Been reflecting on this, some how l need to treat carbs like l have treated softdrink, eliminate, eliminate and eliminate at all costs. Soft drink free for over 4 years, if only l could do that with carbs…. Have a good one all, and remember never bloody give up!

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    G’day all,
    Week 22 of my journey, weighed in at 122.8Kg, 1.1 kg loss for the week. 43kg loss to date. Happy to lose 1kg per week. Will slow down with time. Did omad for 3 days and 2mad for 4 days. This time around side affects of reducing carbs and eating keto have been alot more gout attacks, apparently takes long time to get crystals out of your joints considering I have had it since my early 30’s and another new phenomenon is always feeling the cold lately. In past I have never worn jumpers even in winter, but know first thing I do is go for my jumper in the morning. Take care all and remember never bloody give up!

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    Afternoon all.
    Good stuff, bloke41. Especially if you’re battling gout as well.
    Me, I’m on a bit of a pause, I’m afraid. Husband has had to go away for family reasons and I’m confined to barracks with the dogs and whatever food is here. Fortunately, we do have lots of dog biscuits, so they’re all right.
    Aiming just to hold steady rather than worry too much about the calories. Should be about another ten days. But just so’s we clear: I haven’t bloody given up!

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    Hi all, my weigh-in day today: 400 g down, 7.1 kg down in total. Bit of a slow-down due to assorted factors. But I was expecting just to hold steady, so a bit of a loss is very welcome. Hope you’re all doing well.
    Onwards and downwards.

  • posted by bloke41
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    Gday all,
    Good going snoop, loss is a loss gotta take that. I have been crook the past week. My wife works in the healthcare, and for the first time in long time she came down with a bad flu and l managed to catch it too. This one knocked me about, both of us got off our food, only past day or so we have had our appetite back.
    Week 23 of my journey, weighed in at 119.6Kg, 3.2 kg loss for the week. 45.2kg loss to date. Thats what happens when you eat bugger all. Last time below 120 was back in 2018. Still feeling a little crappy, hopefully seen the worse of the flu. Have a good one all, keep going!

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