Starting Monday 29th August. Anyone want to join me

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  • posted by Julia18togo
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    Yes indeed, 54! How’s your back and how is the borderline diabetes? I’m just beginning a fast to Kickstart me into some reality, as my blood sugar higher than it should be.

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    Back still a pain Julia, not quite walking properly yet but get out for swims

    Im heading to the gym next week to see if that helps

    Still borderline at the moment but blood test end aug !!

  • posted by Snoop
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    Yes, still here. Sort of. I’ve dropped a tiny bit, nothing worth mentioning, but at least I’m not putting more back on.
    I cannot for the life of me manage the fast 800. Too much trouble for my stomach. So I’m just going slowly, trying to remain mindful, though not always succeeding. Am definitely far more active than I used to be, so that’s one thing at least.
    How are you guys doing?

  • posted by LindaA
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    I’m still here – although currently in lockdown in Sydney so getting lots of walking, luckily I live close to the bush so lots of trails to choose from.

    I stayed keto after losing my 40kgs and have managed to stay within my goal weight for the last 5 years, give or take 3kgs. I love this way of eating and would never go back to eating non vegetable carbs.

    My body tells me when I’ve eaten too much dairy as I get bloated and I feel ‘puffy’, but it doesn’t take long to get back to normal when I give it up again.

    Walking isn’t enough to keep me flexible so I’ve taken up yoga again (in a spare bedroom watching YouTube – no gyms for us for a while!). My 61 yo body needs to stay moving.

    Stay well everyone.

    Cheers
    Linda

  • posted by FreshStart
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    Yes! I will join you! I really need to look after myself better, with food and exercise. And need some health buddies to do it with 🙂

  • posted by Libbyb
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    Starting today as well! 10kg to lose, lower Blood Sugar and cholesterol done this before and it works so well! Just got to maintain once I reach my goals!!
    Great to have a buddy no need for luck you got this!

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    Hello

    Anyone still out there

    Christmas is on the way (Again!)

  • posted by Snoop
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    Hi, 54. Still here but doing desperately badly. In fact, my husband and I have just been talking about our weight problem this morning. Just need to start and stick at it.
    How are you doing?

  • posted by 63Elaine
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    Hi Everyone, I forgot my password and then made a horlicks of trying to get back on the forum…anyway no.1 son to my rescue…
    When I started the 800 years ago, my HbA1C went down to 32 (I think acceptable is 48), and stopped diabetic medication for 2 years. Then COVID19 happened and my OH became master baker and chef with only me to appreciate his attempts. So up went the weight HbA1C up to 53 and back on medication.
    Now back on 800 for 2 weeks and weighing the lowest I’ve weighed for 20 years…so I’m very motivated to do another 6 weeks.
    Unlike you guys, I don’t do well counting calories and make each individual meal. I do 3 replacement drinks and a salad or soup. In 2 weeks I’ve lost a stone, so happy!!! 6 more weeks…

  • posted by Verano
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    Elaine hello. Well done on your weight loss so far.
    I don’t want to rain on your parade but carbs, not weight, are really the secret to keeping blood sugar in the normal range. Have you read Prof Taylor’s book? He talks about personal ‘set weight’ above which carbs really effect blood sugar. I’m quite overweight but keep my carbs low to medium now. My HbA1c was never much over 46 with metformin, but with medium/low carbs I have been drug free with HbA1c in the low 30’s for 4+ years.
    Don’t count calories, just count carbs as you know bread, pasta, rice and potatoes plus processed foods are really off limits. No easy way round this for those of us with blood sugar issues!
    Anyway, best of luck and enjoy your journey back the 30’s!

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    Hi Snoop

    Good to see you still here

    It is a case of keeping at it and not getting bored or trying not to fancy other stuff

    I try to stick with the diet plan and then end up eating everything in the fridge that the rest of the family don’t eat before it is thrown away !! so I then have to work meals around 800 calls a day.. I try to substitute the left overs into my menu plan (Tricky with Pizza even if it is wholemeal !!)

    I then have a very good spell when the cats get the left over stuff and I stick to the diet plan

    I try to keep away from anything ‘white’ My sister in New Zealand is a great support as she and her husband started this ‘years’ before me and are both at their target weight. They also FAST 800 and have become good at this also

    @63elaine Do try to keep tabs on salaries at least. I don’t count carbs but aim at 800 calls a day which seems to work for me . I also follow the recipe 800 books (800, FAST, EASY) as this gives the variety I need

    I also have ‘off piste’ weeks where I make my own meals up with 800 calls a day (This keeps me sane and gets rid of cravings/desires/fancies)

    @verano Yes you are right carbs are important. I started 800 just to lose weight not for diabetes reasons I had a BIG dip into the diabetic range with one blood test 2 years ago and every test since has been ‘normal’

    I count calories because its easy for me to plan a week with 800 a day in mind and find if I stay at this range then the weight comes off. I was told not to lose weight as quickly as I was so aim at 2 lbs a week to be happy

    see you next time

    54

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    @ 63 elaine

    I LOVE BREAD !!!

    Cant help it, breadmaker, sliced shop etc etc anything goes. Not just a slice the whole loaf !!

    I cut down to only wholemeal and still ate loads

    I now have to cut it out completely (Bread of all types)

    This is working (3 months and counting !!)

    54

  • posted by 63Elaine
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    Hi 54, Snoop, Verano…thanks for all the advice…I continue to be motivated which is pleasing. Wednesday was weigh in for me…and I was pleased with the result…

    But too much happiness can derail one. So Wednesday night was not good, I had my favourite, fried fish. It is hard when it is dark and cold, you’ve been very busy with an 17 month old, and then out to do a spot of auditing, excuses, excuses, but back on it now… I was surprised how quickly I got on the wagon, without too much trouble.
    I think there is a little gremlin that fights one to get back to a “safer” weight….which, of course, is not a safe/healthy weight…
    Roll on Wednesday!!

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    @63elaine

    Its always hard to not have what you fancy

    I have times when I stick to the 8 week menu in the book like glue

    but if I don’t like one of the meals I happily switch it out for a favourite. I just make sure the TOTAL calories for the day ar about 800 + or –

    So for example, Ill have a scone with a friend (yes !!) in the morning and then a very small healthy low calories meal from the book in the evening

    This works for me cos I don’t do it all the time and I look to average 800 calls

    I know its white flour and I know its carbs but Im here for weight loss and this prevents me from having a huge meal just for the sake of it !!

    Hope this helps

    54

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hi eternallyoptimistic and all,
    I’ve not posted in here for some time.
    I still do the diet and mostly kept off the weight. I drink around 6 cups of tea and I love my whole milk. 😀
    However a recent birthday saw me with a huge cake all alone on ‘my day’ (talking of loneliness) so I decided that I would treat myself.
    I was a very yummy carrot cake. I did find friends to share the cake with – I had to take it to them – then one complained that he didn’t get much! Anyway it re-triggered my sugar addiction.
    Not hugely bit ‘it’s there’ I know just yesterday I crazed liquorice! I resisted but my big stumbling block has been chocolate as I’d stopped everything else bar the fruit and Greek yoghurt. But I went off that an wanted more sugar. As I happened to be tidying up I happened on some old sweets and yep had them … which I would never ever have done just two months ago.
    I started this way of eating around 3 or so years ago.
    I know for 100% I can get back and lose the pounds that I put on and I know I have to try harder – again.
    I simplified the diet as half to food is just far too expensive and dear Dr MM is just out of touch with most of us who simply cannot justify steak etc! Or eat 1/4 can of beans and let the rest go mouldy. So I’d use up the can that week.
    So I’ve tweaked it to a simpler meat/fish/chicken and veg at night. various brunches and or brekky and lunch.
    I don’t bother to carb or calorie count any more as I roughly know what I’m doing these days and know my general diet is fine for ‘holding weight’ as long as I am moderately generally active. (eg DIY stuff and life) I don’t especially exercise …. when I ge the chance I play a little tennis and do a little cycling.
    So as long as you get the principals right it works. I’ve been off sugar (until my short recent bout and a great reminder how addictive I really am to it!) since around April 2019 …
    Sometimes I do fancy some soda bread which I now make (I use lemon and milk to get the butter milk as I found that works better than the vinegar and milk suggestions) and it’s OK and lovely to have just a little toast now and then.
    I’m now trying to get good enough to then slice and freeze the soda and try that so I don’t binge on it.
    It is like I’m addicted to sugar and all things sweet! I have to work at it for my life I reckon! So it has to be no, no, no and no!
    I do find as the winter kicks back in now cold food like lunch salad is a lot harder… so I tend to have eggs and side salad bits or just the eggs cheese and tomato (half) and 1 mushroom and a bit of red pepper. 😀 That works well ! I even added radish into the pan too.

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    hello

    Hi again Aurora

    good to see you still active

    I have to avoid bread of all times as I have no willpower at all and I don’t miss it at all when I’m used to not having it (There is logic these somewhere)

    I do like a salad even in winter, so add warm chicken or fish or something etc etc

    I love coffee with whole milk. I have one full caffeine in the morning to get me started and then the rest of the day is de caf etc etc

    I too simplify the menus and switch them around so nothing is wasted or simply have the same meal twice a week (our freezer is full as I make 4 and freeze 3 if its a for 4 recipe!!)

    I do count calories and know 800 a day is doable but I like to fast as well and find a big meal about 5 and small eats before that after 9 works well for me

    I have stopped drinking which again I don’t miss and still have ‘cake day’ once a week with friends !

    54

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hiya 54
    Yeah it’s only the last few months where I’ve ‘missed’ bread so I knew soda bread was an option and when I was with my sister (who has worked out so well how to eat and stay trim) she’d have one slice of a tiny ‘loaf’ and be happy.
    I’ve been so good learning to say NO to everything bar the basic foods on the lists !
    Sadly I’m less keen on salads in winter when my room is 14degrees so I default to meat/fish and veg.

    Recently I know I’ve struggled. I think the bout of sugar from birthday treats do recreate the ‘hot wires’ in your brain.
    I don’t know if others caught the UK program :
    “Look what a month of eating processed food did to me! It’s what millions of us – including children – eat every day. But as Dr Chris van Tulleken discovered in a BBC experiment, it’s making us fatter, unhealthier… and even changing our brains”
    By Dr Chris Van Tulleken For The Daily Mail
    Published: 22:00, 17 May 2021 | Updated: 09:02, 18 May 2021
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9588967/What-month-eating-ultra-processed-food-did-me.html
    It showed how over that month his brain created new links to ‘want’ that type of food. An addiction in the making!
    They didn’t carry it on,to conclude how long it may take to remove those links if they did ‘go’ entirely, nor exactly what part of the food caused it, either.

    But from my ‘dropping sugar’ (bar natural ones) I’ve found it got to the point that I no longer found greek yogurt sour, for example, and can enjoy all the foods that I eat.
    For the most part I’ve not missed the rice, pasta or breads (bread until recently) … and when I’ve accidentally had some in a meal, I’ve not found it any longer gave anything to that meal. Whereas before I almost ‘preferred’ the rice and pasta! After making some acceptable soda bread, I too have got to ‘wanting it’ again. So I’ve stopped now altogether…

    I now really strongly believe, that perhaps ALL foods we eat, form brain links but some link more strongly than others.. I think veg, meat & fish don’t have ‘strong’ links at all.
    So when I have my ‘basic’ set of food, it’s all ‘straight forward’, in other words, at most I get a small ‘head taste’ or ‘fancy’ salmon or meat, perhaps, but not ‘I must have X or y’.
    Are ‘all’ the foods we eat ’cause’ brain links, or are more carby / sugary foods more ‘link efficient’?
    And then are we all different with these ‘links’ and can we change them?

    My recent sugar bout has certainly seen a massive rise in my desire for ‘more’ sugar, and although I knew it
    would happen, the more I’ve had, the worse it got!
    When I started this way of eating a few years ago, after the initial 6mths or ‘craving’s it did FINALLY die off altogether, and made saying No so much easier!
    But this recent ‘celebration cake’ my sister had gone to a lot of trouble to buy it and it just wouldn’t have been right to not have had any! So I had some… then had a bit more!
    It was scary at just how quickly it ‘linked back up’! However, it has now been easier to ‘drop’ the sugar again.

    I totally agree about bread too… I’m beginning to wonder if a more balanced approach might work like one slice a week/month? So long as I can have ‘some’ but without total depravation then perhaps I won’t then ‘binge’ on it. I think it all depends on how those links work, and I just don’t know.
    SO I don’t know what is best, other than complete restraint. I don’t see bread quite as bad as sugar, (for me) but I think it’s ‘up there’.
    So maybe one month my Sunday treat is waffles and perhaps the next month is some bread?
    I want to have things I like and aren’t real problems. But don’t want to have ‘link-averse’ foods that end up controlling me!
    I wish I knew my sister’s tricks as she has it so well balanced out. She said she worked it all out many years ago but she’s never ever had an over-weight problem!

    As I’m learning more and more, I can continue to make better and better choices, from a greater comprehension of the consequences if I don’t ‘eat right’ for me.
    I do still find that getting ‘just the right quantity’ I still struggle with…. !! 😀

  • posted by sophina
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    I have been on this journey for two weeks now and I’m getting positive results. I keep up with my exercises and intermittent fasting. It’s really difficult but i was motivated a lot after watching these twins loose weight. Don’t forget to keep going, we’ll get there someday. Just like they did 🙂

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    JUNK SPAM post from ALEXIS

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Yeah miserable isn’t it!
    Get so much flippin sort rammed down our throats every news and so on! Get so fed up of it!

    Still “at least the new UK Gov’s policy of cost us all out of being able to afford food’ will see us all lose weight whether we want to or not!! Insane and so cruel.
    I’ve already parred down the diet to the bare bones! So frozen meat fish veg fruit and eggs yoghurt milk oil with some salad items.
    Trying to now see if I owned a couple of hens if it’d be cheaper than buying eggs!
    And now getting some help to buy in a portable tent log stove for hot water and ‘free heat’ ! Got a few old pots that I can leave on the stove for a stew or some such and good for making a soda loaf… I’m improving with that and at least flour isn’t too insane cost – although everything is going up!!!!
    Really scary to be so ‘budget tight now! Unreal!

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    Aurora

    just read you message from November !!

    Very, very interesting and I tend to agree

    I am not one who can ‘cut down’ and now need to back away from bread altogether. Ive maintained an interest in wholemeal BUT this is now getting out of hand

    so from tomorrow Monday 7th Im returning the the set diet in the BSD menu book for 8 weeks and will be counting everything I drink eat !!
    there are some meals I just dont like or think are really ‘dull’ so Ive a new book ‘Th fast 800 easy’ to help swap around some meals

    Also back swimming. Ive stepped up from 1 day average and am back to 3 day average (on my journey to 4 day aweek average)

    So here goes again, Nothing white or sugary for 8 weeks minimum !!

    lets see where we get !!

    54

  • posted by mediapnk
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    hello , thank you so much for sharing.

  • posted by MerryMelba
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    Hi 54
    Great to see you and you can do this 8 week restart!!! The swimming sounds fab – I need to motivate myself to get swimming again. Seem to have lost my mojo there.
    See you on the Feb 2022 – One week at a time….. thread soon.
    🌺 Merry

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    Hi guys,
    Hang on in there, Aurora. Things will pick up when the weather improves. Out of interest, would you be able to get an allotment. Not easy, as there are usually long waiting lists. But you’d save money in the long run on fruit and veg, get some useful exercise and maybe meet some friendly folk. I don’t know what we’d do without the veg patch, especially over winter when veg is so expensive.
    Me, I’m about hanging in there too. 2 kg down in the last four weeks.
    Good luck, 54.

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    Hi all
    I finally managed to get my GP to do blood test for me, as my FBS was higher than should be (which I knew – pandemic weight!). I know what to do, have lost it before, and this time the difference for me is that I have managed to get GP to do HbA1c since returning to UK.
    Knowing I am getting tested on Friday and it goes back last 3 months, has really motivated me and I am down 4 kg since beginning of Jan. Not bad considering I was in a hotel in India for work for almost whole month of Jan – much harder to stay low carb there.
    I am being super strict now I am home, pretty certain levels will be much too high, and I want to then have another one in 3 months time and be able to show I have made big improvements. It’s incredible the difference in motivation, knowing I cannot fool a HbA1c test!
    Swimming great, 54… personally I run and there is a marked difference to my FBS levels the morning after a day I have not run. Always higher than if I have done exercise. So that and a strict Fast800 approach is working for me now (albeit I am not counting but having done this before I know what it looks like).
    Power to all on here!
    Julia

  • posted by 54andfatnomore
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    Hi All

    Great to see activity again and success also !!

    Day 2 on restart and so far so good

    No white stuff, Ive stuck with the menu options (breakfast eggs x 2, Dinner. Thai Red Curry) (Lunch I ducked out so had 2 apples

    Nothing white , no alcohol and Cauliflower rice, fried not boiled.

    OK so far

    Swim tonight (Missed it yesterday as they dont open Monday night and had to work during the day !!)

    Good so far today also (Greek Yoghurt and berries for breakfast!!)

    I too find blood tests and ‘weighing in’ motivational

    54

  • posted by AuroraMagic
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    Hiya Snoop
    Thanks. 🙂
    Happily I have some land and already have a (poor) herb garden but it’s not doing well. So been thinking about moving it to a different area. 😀
    I have planted some fruit / nut trees last year, and save nearly all the apple pips and hope they’ll take too!
    I have managed to lose some weight (again – so frustrating) but I’m so ‘on the edge’ of losing / not losing but at least for now it’s going in the right direction.
    I’ve a good friend who’s got a flourishing veggie patch! And she’s given me various plants and some have taken and some not so.
    Still struggling to get the Lathruys Linifolious to take well but it is growing – just slowly! I’d hoped by now to have got a super patch growing but hey ho!!
    Had a friend help me buy a mini log stove and can do a bit of cooking on that and get hot water from it too so it’s slowly coming together !! So just ‘holding my nerve’ and praying as I look at the figures I can somehow pull the rabbit out the hat !!!

    Julia18togo – yeah tough but hang in there we all know this can work! 😀 Just have to be SO SO strict and stick to it! 😀

    54 good to know you too are doing good. 🙂

    I know they’ve show walking helps to burn off fat in the blood so I must do more of this. Hard when I need to learn a program on my laptop though! But I go outside every day to ‘poo pick’ from my mini horses ! (I am debating about perhaps having to sell them but they thank god don’t cost much and can be just hay and grass in the spring to fall!)
    Anyway hope we can all reach our goals and reduce things down to allow for our once a month treats if we dare ! 😀
    Good luck everyone!

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    Thanks for your message Aurora

    Treats are tricky things

    Buy a packet of something and they all go !!

    Missed a swim yesterday (Thats 2 out of 2 missed) as got called away

    We dont have any home veg but it would be good to get some planted as its good exercise and gets you outside

    Day 3 and still sticking to the diet plan. Lunches just dont look appealing so I am swapping these around to something I like. Not sure about fitting the FAST elements in as I dont get home til late and late breakfast late is some days hard to manage

    54

  • posted by CuriousDieter
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    Hi Aurora,
    I’m new to this forum, and I don’t use FaceBook, but I’ve been interested in the Heath Pea story for a while and I’ve read Dr Moffatt’s Autumn 2000 article in the National Library of Scotland’s ‘Folio’ magazine, which is really interesting.

    In March / April 2019 on the other thread you mentioned that you were in contact with someone who was writing a book on Heath Pea, and also something about research at Strathclyde University.

    Is the book available on Amazon (or elsewhere) and is the Strathclyde research in the public domain, please?

    CD.

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    ***Does anyone know if Aurora is stiil posting, please, as she hasn’t replied to my query from 22nd Feb.?***

    posted by CuriousDieter
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    Hi Aurora,
    I’m new to this forum, and I don’t use FaceBook, but I’ve been interested in the Heath Pea story for a while and I’ve read Dr Moffatt’s Autumn 2000 article in the National Library of Scotland’s ‘Folio’ magazine, which is really interesting.
    In March / April 2019 on the other thread you mentioned that you were in contact with someone who was writing a book on Heath Pea, and also something about research at Strathclyde University.
    Is the book available on Amazon (or elsewhere) and is the Strathclyde research in the public domain, please?
    CD.

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