Jun-Jul 19 starters, support group

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  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Hi @newdayrising, I’m with Gwen, definitely not a stupid feeling at all, I’m sure we can all relate to how tough this situation and this day must have felt. You’ve handled it so well by turning it around and making a special day at the spa for you. And great option for you Sunday roast too, it sounds mouth watering and quite a clever meal. Nothing like being surrounded by people we love!
    I’m quite sure the 2 extra pounds that are visiting you are a little water retention from the extra carbs and hopefully will be gone as quickly as they came.

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    Hi LK! Ive read your latest post with interest. I understand you have a different take on carbs . . . that was the reason I posted about reasons for changing food balances . . . 8 week blood sugar diet says it all. It doesnt sat anything about 8 weeks lose whatever weight you set the goalposts at. 🙂 Carbs – for some people – are killers. If you can eat them without causing mbalance on your body then fine . . . but I found the inference you can do whatever you want . . .(which by the way is quite true!!! ) – the inference it is OK to do this – (which is also quite true should you so desire!!!) – is not setting a good example for someone new to the way of eating 🙂 Still choosing to be nonchalant about carbs will curtail even stall turning their blood sugar (possibly) OOC BS levels around to normal – which is the purpose of THEIR journey. This forum is not where “personal views re culture, origins or reasons for doing the BSD” are discussed as options 🙂 – more particularly under a heading or Starters Support Group 🙂 A carb is a carb whether you were born a Martian or an Eskimo. Blood glucose and insulin issues are as individual as people themselves. BSL’s/readings, pancreatic function – “in the system” insulin levels are as intimate as one can get with ones individual health balance and body function. Dicing with carbs proves nothing positive!!! It just proves you CAN do it . . . and of course we CAN . . . ALL of us if we choose . . . because no-one is saying otherwise . . . its just a choice of wanting to live better and healthier. One just has to read of one newbie still having her much loved oats for breakfast and wondering whats going on with then feeling bad and (seemingly) no losses. The carb monster is being continually answered . . . misguiding info re a “few (carbs) wont hurt” is quite obviously causing grief there . . . – the expected weightloss . . . (one should NEVER expect or we are open for disappointment!) – and feeling bad. Visceral fat is BAD for anyone much less diabetics . . . and we have more than most t burn . . . because our bodies have adapted to storing the (visceral) unwanted excess created by the carbs 🙂 Such can (go a ways) to explaining why some are fatter than others, thinner than others, padded in peculiar places . . . Excess image body fat is not really a reason to go 8-week BSD – and then say its been slow going and disappointing and misleading. If someone is 5.2″ and 20 stone . . . it stands to reason they are different to someone of 5’2″ and 10 stone. As will be their sugar levels, their insulin levels, the type of “excess” available for the body for discard – for whatever reason . . . and in what timeframe. The weight my body chose could be discarded finished around 4-6 months ago. NOTHING in my chosen 7-days a week “diet plan” regime has changed and nor has my weight from then on. This is where Im at . . . and accepting what change by body has managed with grateful thanks. Accepting results after true perseverance is paramount for our mental outlook which must also be considered. Being consumed with this is just as unhealthy as not giving it full opportunity to make dramatic changes. Like anything on life . . , there is nature’s order in which to do (some) things. One step at a time, learning as we go, and accepting what occurs is the order here 🙂 As another poster declared – (paraphrasing) – . . . its taken us all a long time to get here . . . it will turn around – it wont take as long but . . . it takes a little time. 🙂 Quack! Quack!

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    Well, after 4 days the head ache has subsided and I’ve lost 6lbs so one very happy lady here!! I’m eating way more than 800 calls – probably more like 1200 but I’m keeping my carbs to below 50g a day. Like a few of you have said the book isn’t gospel, I’m trying my best to find a happy sustainable way for me to embrace this woe which will last long term. I can always tweek things along the way if needed. Thanks for all of your helpful tips and insights. Really helps to keep going and find some inspiration. X

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    Hi LK! Ive read your latest post with interest. I understand you have a different take on carbs . . . that was the reason I posted about reasons for changing food balances . . . 8 week blood sugar diet says it all. It doesnt sat anything about 8 weeks lose whatever weight you set the goalposts at. 🙂 Carbs – for some people – are killers. If you can eat them without causing imbalance in your body then fine . . . but I found the inference you can do whatever you want . . .(which by the way is quite true!!! ) – + the inference it is OK to do this – (which is also quite true should you so desire!!!) – is not setting a good example for someone new to the way of eating and doing their best to get their head around some starting basics 🙂 Still choosing to be nonchalant about carbs will curtail – even stall turning their blood sugar (possibly) OOC BS levels around to normal – which is the purpose of THEIR journey. This forum is not where “personal views re culture, preferred traditional foods, origins or reasons for doing the BSD” are discussed as options 🙂 – more particularly under a heading or Starters Support Group 🙂 A carb is a carb whether you were born a Martian or an Eskimo. Blood glucose and insulin issues are as individual as people themselves. BSL’s/readings, pancreatic function – “in the system” insulin levels are as intimate as one can get with ones individual health balance and body function. Dicing with carbs proves nothing positive!!! It just proves you CAN do it . . . and of course we CAN . . . ALL of us: if we choose . . . because no-one is saying otherwise . . . its just a choice of wanting to live better and healthier. One just has to read of one newbie still having her much loved oats for breakfast and wondering whats going on with then feeling bad and (seemingly) no progress – losses. The carb monster is being continually answered . . . misguiding info re a “few (carbs) wont hurt” is quite obviously causing grief there . . . – the expected weightloss . . . (one should NEVER expect or we are open for disappointment!) – and feeling bad. Visceral fat is BAD for anyone much less diabetics . . . and we have more than most to burn . . . because our bodies have adapted to storing the (visceral) unwanted excess created by the carbs 🙂 Such can (go a ways) to explaining why some are fatter than others, thinner than others, padded in peculiar places . . . could it be they are unaware of what is going on inside the secret sugar business. 🙂 Excess image body fat is not really a reason to go 8-week BSD – and then say its been slow going and disappointing and misleading. If someone is 5.2″ and 20 stone . . . it stands to reason they are different to someone of 5’2″ and 10 stone. As will be their sugar levels, their insulin levels, genetic inheritances, the type of “excess” available for the body (to make a decision on) for discard – for whatever reason . . . and in what timeframe. The weight my body chose could/would be discarded finished around 4-6 months ago. 6 months in! NOTHING in my chosen 7-days a week “diet plan” regime has changed: nor has my weight from then on. BUT . . . my HbA1c has reduced from 12.9 to 6.4 – and that happened in the same 6 months!!! That was my am . . to get that to an acceptable healthy safe level . . . This is where Im at . . . and accepting what change/s my body has managed to achieve . . .? with grateful thanks. Accepting results after true perseverance is paramount for our mental outlook which must also be considered. Being consumed with this WOE, weightloss, counting, expecting, anticipating then worrying etc etc., actually causes stress, which elevates BP AND . . ? produces chemicals including insulin!!! which has the circle full turn – and adding to an already distressing dilemma. That approach is just as unhealthy as not giving it full opportunity to make the possible dramatic changes – proven by so many here. For those who have discarded 100 or 150 or 200 lbs, those results are jawdropping – and humbly applauded as phenomenal. Im aghast at my own (almost miniscule in comparison!) – 30lbs!!! Like anything in life . . , there is nature’s order in which to do (some) things. One step at a time, learning as we go, and accepting what occurs is the order there – as it is here 🙂 As another poster declared – (paraphrasing) – . . . its taken us all a long time to get here . . . it can be/will turned around – it wont take as long but . . . it takes a little time. 🙂 And patience isnt something most humans have in abundant supply! Particularly if they have created a deadline!!! Quack! Quack!

  • posted by Verano
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    Another interesting post WoodDuckie! I like your logic!
    I also wonder why people choose to follow low carb way of eating only to add high carb foods into their diet. Surely if carbs are so desired, and there is no reason not to desire them, should it be your wish, them maybe SW of WW would be better options!
    For me restricting carbs, eating high carbs, fasting is just like the yo-yo ‘dieting’ of old and not a new, healthier lifestyle that we all hope to achieve here.

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    I feel there is more going on here than I’m probably missing. I’m actually quite confused and starting to feel very much unwelcomed – although I have read many many many times that everyone and from every walk of life was welcome here so I might stay.
    Maybe the misunderstanding is coming from the fact that you believe this is a forum for the Blood Sugar Diet (?) while I came to this forum after reading the fast 800 which is aimed at people wanting to lose weight rapidly and reset their metabolism. I’m under the fast 800 forum, and I follow the fast 800 diet to the T and encourage everyone here to stay below 20gr which I thought would be ok.
    Yes in maintenance I’ll follow a reverse diet to find my carbs tipping point and I’ll reintroduce carbs like fruits, tomatoes and carrots up to that tipping point. And yes from time to time I’ll feast and then I’ll fast. That’s MY plan, it follows most of MM and Dr Fungs recommendations so probably not that stupid.

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    Hi 800! Your results must be very heartening for you 🙂 Well done on embracing the new way of life and envisaging it long term 🙂 Congratulations on recognising and understanding adaptation of the basics to fit your plan 🙂 All the best in your personal endeavours . . and know there are MANY here with years of experience to assist, support, guide and if need be suggest possibilities they have discovered as assistance to them on their journeys 🙂 We also like updates and stages reports if and when you are willing to share – so thank you for a great starting report!!! 🙂 Good luck and welcome to the wagon ride of a lifetime 🙂 Woohoo!!! Quack! Quack! from a Downunder Duckpond!!

  • posted by CrispsForBreakfast
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    I’m on day 3 and the hunger is definitely subsiding. Yesterday was tough, it’s my day off with my little boy and he was trying to feed me his ice cream cone in the park and cheese sandwiches at lunch. It’s a good job I have coeliacs or I think I might have folded 😀 I’ve lost just shy of 5lbs and so far the headache has gone. I seem to be doing the opposite of most on here and making sure I get 50-70g of carbs a day.

    Well done 800, I’m following your progress closely as you’re only a few days ahead of me 🙂

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    Hi Crisps! Exciting to read of your noticeable hunger subsidence. Wonderfully funny picturing you enjoying your shared time, resisting the “enemies” and “staying within your chosen guidelines”. Well done!!! Continued success and discoveries 🙂 We are all here for you and eager to share your experiences – should you care to share 🙂 Welcome aboard! and continued successes! Quack! Quack!

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    Hey Louisekangaroo – i am doing the fast800 too and was under the impression this was for that diet – as a side point I think i am eating a lot less carbs but low carbing is not the main aim, the main aim is 800 calories per day and finding ways to make that interesting

  • posted by Verano
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    Louise you are of course very welcome here but I think the misunderstanding may be yours. This forum, as the title suggests is The Blood Sugar Diet Forum. The Fast 800 does have its own forum as well. There is quite a large crossover between the original 5:2, the Blood Sugar Diet and the new Fast 800. So everybody, no matter which they are following is more than welcome but it may be an idea to respect the ethos of whichever forum is posted on.

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Verano, but I am indeed posting under the sub forum called “Fast 800”.

  • posted by WoodDuckie
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    Hi LK 🙂 Im sure Im not the only one believing you have only been on BSD for a matter of weeks – and were disgruntled at small weight discards . . . annoyed at Dr MM for perceived “misleading” info in the 8 week BD book – (your words I do believe. 🙂 If all the other following books and “diets variations” have been examined and executed then you would no doubt be VERY familiar with the LATER publications diversifying concepts . . . (albeit it the revised and additional versions thereof – with hindsight and progress.) 8-week BSD book and idea was the beginning. In fact drawn from research from MM’s very own personal diagnosis/fight with diabetes.
    Coming back to the beginning after having dealt with the revised, additional variations is fine . . . but adding info/posts on a starters thread from a position of those later variations is where confusion arises. We are all free to explore further . . . but getting basics down pat first is the best place from which to start UNDERSTANDING the process and concept and function. After all, if one learns dancing . . . one first learns UNDERSTANDING of basics L and R little steps and movements . . . then we can add on the twiddly bits, spins, dips and fancy footwork. Quack! Quack!

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    I think the forum has added lots of new headings so, it used to be just 3 which were BSD, 5:2 and Med and now it has Fast800 included in its listing. It has confused me a couple of times. I do believe Fast800 has its own website but have never looked at it.

    Edit, just looked at the Fast 800 website and it is, of course, promoting a totally different ethos to the original BSD. I guess you can post on this or that of Facebook or wherever. The surprising thing for me is that the Fast800 is in fact the BSD800 and is not a FASTING diet as many are doing. I do have the new book and it is almost a reprint of the BSD without the mention (except in passing) or diabetes control. He also talks briefly about what I call real fasting ie not eating anything for x number of hours and also intermittent fasting where you eat only in a shorter window so fast say between 8pm and noon. Dr Mosley is certainly keeping his options open and possibly advertising revenues.

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    Hi all. Can we all take a deep breath? I find one of the strengths of this website – the Blood Sugar Diet website – is that it allows us to move between the different approaches that MM has covered – Mediterranean; 5:2; FAST800 etc – as attested to by the differently named fora within the website. We are also able to explore complementary thinking that MM has supported – often via more specialised threads. It is a structure that has worked well for me – since I have been on all three of those variations at various stages.

    I think differences do arise – diabetic or non-diabetic: a lot to lose or just a little: and perhaps the complicating factor of the parallel FAST website that charges. But please can we keep the welcome diversity!

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    @woodduckie you are indeed mistaken, I am following the FAST 800 diet and that’s the first & only one I have read from MM, where MM promised a rapid weight loss – it’s actually a whole chapter of his book! So yes I was disappointed to not lose anywhere near rapid but actually slower than when I tried WW. However I have moved on from this as I have noticed that I am losing a lot quicker from the waist than I was on WW and that is what really matters. Happy camper here.
    So can we all agree that people that follow the fast 800 can post on the fast 800 forum (ie. this one)? Alternatively I would be more than happy to create a very specific FAST 800 separate thread and leave this one.

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    Hi, I have been reading forums/fora (for the pedantic scholars) on this website for many years albeit posting very infrequently. I have read all Dr Mosley’s books and a number of others referenced fung, taubes, malhotra et al. There has been much useful evidence based information. Over those years forum posters have come and gone..the vast majority of posts warm, supportive, questing/querying in tone. 95% seemed to recognise that we are all imperfect individuals seeking a lifestyle whereby we can manage our food/weight/blood sugar/choose your term in our imperfect lives in an imperfect world. Just occasionally, unintentionally I am sure, a hectoring/ preaching/judgemental tone creeps in. It saddens me as I feel I want to stop engaging with BSD and all it has developed into..and that would be a loss. Folk choose to engage with the bsd or fast800 or clever gut programme in their own model of the world..and we should all respect that. It’s really useful to query where facts or evidence seem to be missing..and it’s supportive to help where folk ask for it.
    Sometimes it can feel as if individuals for whatever reason have become too focused on a very ‘pure’ strand of low carb eating..and find it hard to accept that others don’t, won’t or can’t follow the same path.
    All I would say is, that’s alright..there’s room for all of our approaches and to quote some real old timers who followed the book let’s keep on keeping on and never bloody give up! In a kindly and supportive manner. The end

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    @Towanda57 – You sum it up perfectly. We all have different goals and differing expectations. We’re all bound to fail at our new WOE (can’t call it a diet) and that’s understandable. We all have got back on it though and carry on.

    I’m no purist. Everyone feel free to do the Fast 800 however you see fit and however it fits your lifestyle.

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    Can I just move this post here as it might bring some clarity to what has happened on the site and it is not the fault of BSD or Fast800 advocates but the site itself which has become confused in who it represents. It is still called The Blood Sugar Diet website but more and more incorporates other diet plans as Dr M devises them. He is covering all options and now has this site for BSD which included Fast800 but he has also created a Fast 800 dedicated website. The following is a little of the history and how the confusion has arisen. So here goes, hope I dont get my head bitten off.

    “I think people doing the Fast800 have been misled towards this site and I think the site has changed things automatically to include Fast800. As an example, if you take a look (no pun) at TAKE A LOOK AT THIS… it is now posted under Fast800, I have noticed this about lots of posts including this One Week at a Time series which Verano started on 17th April 2018 under BSD, again before the Fast800 even existed. Both these posts were originally created under BSD and not Fast800. The TAKE A Look… was started in 2018 before the Fast800 ever existed (first published in 2019), so the site has changed the listing category. This can cause confusion for BSDers like us but also for the Fast800’ers who have come to this new and thinking it has always been this way. I am not making a criticism of anyone posting on whatever thread but we might just have to accept that things have changed since Dr. M brought out Fast 800 and it is he that is causing the confusion.”

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    Thumbs up to your thoughts NewDayRising, caronl , Towanda57. This whole site, covering many forms of this WofE, has been so welcoming and informative. We are diverse but all seeking support, encouragement and information. Deep breath. Smile. Please stay LouiseK. 🌺🌺🌺

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    S-g thank you for clearing that up! I have often started a thread on ‘ Fast 800’ section assuming that it is still part of BSD! But hey who knows I’m totally confused. That said I still feel that this forum is basically a low carb forum and not one that advocates feast and famine.

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    Hi Alliecat, I only did it once and that was in a tiny amount of water in the microwave. Perhaps I blitzed the florets too much. Is it best to grate it

  • posted by EmandMum
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    Hi purplesnow. I grate cauliflower to make caulirice. Gave it a couple of minutes steamed in the microwave in a bowl with a plate on top and not too much water so it steamed not boiled it – it made an al dente, coarse rice type product that I was happy with (but I am terrible cook though so my hat is set low!)
    Hope we can draw a line under much of the above. I’ve found experiences from many people helpful to me – regardless of which woe they are following.

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    Sunshine girl! I thank you sincerely for your simple and explanatory post 🙂 Mixing old and new . . .? That sure does put things into a different perspective – and hence can result in confusion – on many fronts! Apologies to anyone who these outsized webfeet may have disturbed. And yes! Lets all keep on keeping on – hopefully with a little less confusion 🙂
    As the day has dawned with the most beautiful sunshine, clear skies and barely a breeze! – (bearing in mind it is mid-winter here!!!) – Im grabbing the opportunity to do the rose pruning, mulching and plant food distribution . . . along with some vitamin absorption for ME 🙂 Quack! Quack! from the downunder duckpond!

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    Thanks WoodDuckie 🙂

    On day 4 and fingers crossed no more symptoms. It’s maybe because I’m deliberately aiming for 50-70g of carbs a day? Because I’m trying to curb a sugar addiction and lose weight rather than deal with insulin resistance I’m more concerned with sticking to 800 kcals. It takes a bit of planning but I’m even managing 6 portions of veg and 1 of fruit. I’m also managing at least 10,000 steps a day. Very happy and have discarded 6lbs so far 🙂

    Hope everyone’s doing well 🙂

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    Wow, well done crispsforbreakfast. Same here, no diabetes (yet) but feel like crap and know that the way I’ve been neglecting my health is going to bite me on the arse one day if I don’t do something. Really hope I can do this long term as I’m very good at starting and even better at giving up.

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    Thanks 800 🙂 I’m the same, I think having 2 holidays coming up is helping motivate me but it’s so easy to fall… I’ve promised myself to come on this forum every day to post my results so I can get a kick up the backside if I start to slip 😀

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    Where are you off on your hols? We’re driving to Spain (from uk) with various stops in France along the way. Going in two weeks. Really looking forward to eating nice big salads and lots of cheese rather than worrying about what I might be missing out on. Hopefully I feel the same when I’m actually there.

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    Wow, that sounds amazing! Hmmm cheese… 😀 We’re going to North Wales, Cornwall then Glasgow for 10 days from 23rd August. We’re in self-catering for most of it so feeling optimistic. Will be staying with my best friend in Glasgow so not feeling quite so confident, I’m not normally a big drinker but once we get chatting… we head to Majorca 29th September so hoping to have discarded 2 stone by then!

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    Sounds like you have a fantastic few trips lined up. 2 stone by end of September is a great target and very doable if we keep focused. If love to do the same. Are you managing to stick to 800 cals? I’m finding it to lie for me but have cut right back on the carbs and am probably not much over 1,000. Best of luck to you. X

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    Sorry, predictive text and not concentrating! Too low for me!

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    😀 I’ve managed to stay under 820 kcals so far, it’s not been easy today though. We were off work today and were so busy after the nursery drop off that we ended up not having breakfast. We then went for a really long walk after lunch. I had to have a small piece of cheese when we got home as I was starving! I’m guessing this has caused me to get keto flu as I have a headache and feel absolutely drained… it had better show on the scales tomorrow 😀

    That would be awesome if we could both lose 2 stones by the end of September, we can do it!!! x

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    Well done, very impressed you’ve stayed around 800. I’ve been feeling really drained and short tempered to today. I blame the heat. Just put a bottle of san peligrino fizzy water in the freezer for a treat. God, my younger self would have a stern word with me!

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    Hi Louise kangaroo
    I have read through most of this thread and was really enjoying the supportive thread you had started running, don’t leave it although I think that may have already happened.
    It’s very unfortunate that a few pedantic people can be judgemental. It’s very important that everyone is valued and it’s also important that we feel able to air our views.
    This sort of disgruntlement can really throw people of course I know from experience especially if it doesn’t appear to be following the results others are having.
    So get posting as it’s what gets us through
    💕jan

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    So just to lighten things somewhat my main meal consisted partly of home made coleslaw, white cabbage onions, well I’m sitting with my back to an open door, the skies are jumping flashing and banging with an enormous storm after a day with a temp in the shade of 102, and while it’s all going on the crashing that is, my stomach is also jumping and burbling with the after effects of the coleslaw, noisy night tonight here in the Brecklands me thinks hehe
    Hoping for a cooler day tomorrow
    🌈⚡️⚡️⚡️🌝 sleep well 🙋 jan

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    Hi Jan.
    I love a good thunderstorm after a hot hot day. Hope you have some cooler days ahead.
    Thanks for your posting to LouiseK – I too hope she will be back. But a few people have been quiet these past few days, perhaps like me feeling no longer welcome. I’ll be sitting on the sidelines for a while.
    All the best with your barn conversion! I have seen a few on Grand Designs etc and the task always looks immense. 🌺🌺

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    I must say that I never noticed there were separate forums/fora for BSD or Fast800, I just look at recent topics to catch up on what everyone is saying. Which amounts to lots of different and unique people and lots of different and unique challenges and experiences. From which I and I am sure others all learn, and which then guide us in our own understanding, choices and approach, and reaching the best “fit” for each of us. I really haven’t picked up on any kind of “just go ahead and do what you want” type of message from anyone, here or on any other threads – which I am sure all “newbies” do read, if like me avidly! Go All of us!

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    Hi merry Melba
    I started this plan in July 2016 so everyone was new to it and the forum threads were fun and very supportive. I have been dipping in and out ever since and it seems the forums have now moved into a information service. So as such rather serious.
    This thread when started by Louise reminded me of the Hello thread from 2016, it had a livelyness about it, it was nothing to post 20-30 replies a day, I know takes a lot of your time but we were all each other’s support buddies, this thread has this but is stifled at times, it is important I think for a thread of new people to the plan in this instance fast 800 to be able to be that and explore and discover for themselves.
    Keep posting we will get the humour and the excitement going because this plan is exciting.
    From the noisy Brecks 🙋

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    Hi six turkeys
    Unfortunately Louise Kangeroo did get a challenging couple of replies, all of which I feel were OTT and uncalled for I believe she may have retreated now, which I find rather disconcerting as these things can completely trip us up.
    I’m hoping she continues to post as I like her youthful liveliness.
    Of to bed 🛌😴😴😴 jan

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    Hello 🏵🏵🏵
    Im still here 😊 I have a tough skin but it did affect me emotionally a little bit so took a little time out. I’m so happy to see that everyone has taken 5 and we’re all on the same page that everyone is welcome here whether lots or little to lose, whether medical condition or not.
    I think what brings us together is a previous unhealthy/emotional relationship to food and the want to better our health.
    The truth of it is that we all have individual challenges, and we can each chose to go at it the way we see fit. No one else will make those choices for us and those choices won’t affect anyone else but ourselves – well maybe it will also affect the people living with you 😋
    Personally I come to this thread to see how everyone else is doing, what are your personal challenges, share mine, maybe brainstorm solutions but the biggest thing for me is to feel the power of how many we are on a similar path. I found this so powerful and inspiring!! 😀
    I’ve got the fuzzys to read all the supportive messages and I was already starting to miss chatting with you all.
    Let’s keep keeping on!! 💪💪

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    Hi Grrenjanet,
    Welcome back and well said..i too hope louise K comes back..after all she started this thread and you’re right, it was more like some from the early days and all the better for that..at the very least i hope she’s lurking…as we have all done from time to time, and sees she’s very valued and very welcome and very missed.
    I’ve just come back from seeing ‘the lehmann trilogy’ a national theatre production but we saw in aberdeen at the cinema..fantastic but i have had a little stagger with a glass of white wine once we reached home..however i will count it and climb back on tomorrow! Hey ho koko

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    Ooh great you’re back in Arnold s voice or maybe I got that wrong especially as I’m not a man hehe ooh blimey I need to get to bed 🌝🌝🌝

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    Crossed posts hurray good to see you LK

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    Happy to see you Louise! 🌺
    It’s Friday here – and good to see a calming close to the week. Been a good one for me – no gains as I try and balance myself towards maintenance. Out to dinner tonight and to see a theatre production of Shakespeare in Love – with some sumptuous costumes. So I will have a glass of wine – but will make good choices for my meal.

    Shout out to Elky and Kafin too – I hope your week has gone well after the Egg fasts and the scales are doing what you wish.

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    Allicat
    Sorry why uninspiring, this is a thread for those in the first few weeks of the fast 800
    😳 jan

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    Speaking for quite a few people here who I imagine have felt pushed out of this thread by negative comments from others who are not doing the fast 800 or at the beginning of the plan
    May I suggest those who aren’t doing the fast 800 and aren’t in the initial stages of the plan, if they find our comments conflicting or uninspiring then don’t read this thread, and definitely don’t post anymore negative comments please.
    It’s very important that this zone is a safe one emotionally .
    I for one find this thread when permitted full of energy and very uplifting. It’s very refreshing for a thread not to be one long sermon, as they all tend to be nowadays.
    Apologies for this post but it needs saying
    🤗 jan

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