Can I repeat the 8 week 800 calorie fast?

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  • posted by peonypetal
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    Hi,

    I am interested to try this diet to kick start my weight loss and new, healthier way of life. I am a 26 year old female (non-diabetic but it runs in the family) who is much too overweight at the moment! I am currently 5’8 and 18st and wanting to be between 10st – 13st (bit of a wide range but I will stop when I feel happy, fit and healthy!).

    My question is, can I do the 8 weeks of 800 calories a day, follow with the 5:2 diet for another 6-8 weeks and then do another round of 800 calories for 8 weeks? The initial 8 weeks won’t get me to my goal weight and while I am sure 5:2 will help and am happy to just stick with that for the remainder of the weight, is it possible to repeat the 800 calorie diet within that kind of time frame?

    I know there is a 12 week programme and I will certainly consider that but I think 8 weeks is a more realistic goal to begin with.

    Thank you in advance for any responses, I really appreciate the help πŸ™‚

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    You absolutely CAN continue straight through to goal, peony-petal πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ I felt
    marvelous, enjoyed the surplus of energy that comes from burning your own stores of fat
    for energy instead of carbs, and didn’t take a break until 10stone was sent packing over a
    period of 10 months. As long as you feel well, you may fashion this plan to completely
    suit you! Join any threads that speak to you, and you will receive a very warm welcome.
    The weekly or 4 week challenges are lively, and full of great advice and guidance from
    experienced BSDers, and between us we have experienced every challenge in the book! We
    have a library of tips and tricks, and a mountain of wisdom to share. Congratulations for
    choosing this way of life! It is nothing short of life changing πŸ™‚ I hope to see you out and
    about..Best,

    Allie

  • posted by peonypetal
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    Thank you Allie!

    I will most definitely check out the other threads x

  • posted by ShrimpStation
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    Allie – did you stick to 800 calories for 10 months then? I would love to lose 9 stone and was wondering if I could continue beyond 8 weeks, but I’ve been told on a Facebook group that you can’t do the 8 weeks more than once.

  • posted by WoodDuckie
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    Hi Allie! I was surprised when reading you continued on . . . because I “assumed” thats what we did! Once started we continued . . . if we wanted to! and, seriously, I cant imagine going back to anything else right now but I havent even finished 8 weeks. I also “assumed” our bodies would tell us if anything was amiss . . . and I also “assumed” without me having set a goal weight . . . after getting to wherever is . . . then I could be a little more lenient with socialising . . . and the odd meal out but within my own guidelines Im now laying down. SO I too will be interested to read your story πŸ™‚

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    Welcome Peoonypetal and ShrimpStation – Many of us continued on the 800 for weight loss for as long as it took, or like me, took a couple of short ‘maintenance breaks, before making adjustments to go into maintenance once at target weight. And the 800 is something we return to if things get iffy and a few pounds creep back. Think the 800 becomes a key tool for many of us looking to control our weight long term.

    Best of wishes to both of you for every success – hope to see you on other threads and look forward to reading how you are progressing.

  • posted by ShrimpStation
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    Thanks SunnyB – how long were your breaks?

  • posted by alliecat
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    Yes, ShrimpStation. No breaks, just 800cal/<20g carbs, straight through for 10 months πŸ™‚
    I’m an all or nothing personality type though, not everyone chooses this route! I kind of
    dreaded maintenance…would I ruin all of my good work??? There is a plan for that too,
    called the “reverse diet” when you get there. It’s very unfortunate that you’ve been given
    the advice you have on FB. As Sunny says, this community has many members that
    reject it. I hope to see you out and about in our community πŸ™‚ We share our experiences
    here, and make suggestions when asked, but we don’t tell others what to do. Join
    us!

    Best,

    Allie

  • posted by SunnyB
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    Hi ShrimpStation – my breaks varied from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, during which time I stuck to the BSD principles by way of maintaining, which proved reasonably successful, but there were small gains each time. Getting back to the 800 dealt with these pretty quickly and it was quite easy to get back on track.

    Finding the approach that works for you is key and there is no right and wrong, as far as whether you choose to take breaks between stints on the 800, or plough right on through.

    Looking forward to seeing you out and about on the forum.

  • posted by ShrimpStation
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    Allie – I’m a similar personality – I need rules and I’m worried about what to do at the end of the 8 weeks (which is rapidly approaching).
    It’s really encouraging to know that you did this for 10 months. I’m abandoning that FB group and its diktats!

  • posted by ShrimpStation
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    Thanks SunnyB. I’m a bit scared of weight increases – but I guess that’s a mental barrier.

  • posted by SunnyB
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    Like I said, there are no hard and fast rules concerning your approach, it’s whatever works for you. Whilst the periods of ‘maintenance’ in between the phases of 800 were scary, it did help prepare me for real maintenance, so there was an upside, even with small gains (3-4lb).

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    We’re very happy to have you with us, ShrimpStation! My story is one of extremes, in a lot of different ways πŸ™‚
    I didn’t know this wonderful community even existed during my weight loss period, and only discovered it early
    on into maintenance. That was just over a year ago. The support, knowledge and generosity of spirit I’ve
    found here have enriched my life beyond measure, and it’s s support group for living itself, not only a safe
    place to discuss diet and health!
    Please keep us up to date on how you are doing πŸ™‚

    Good morning, WoodDuckie! I’m not sure if you were interested in my entire tale, or just about the
    way I did the successive months of the Fast800? Have a wonderful day πŸ™‚

    Allie

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    Hi ShrimpStation
    Once I too was a member of That FB group! With their rigid determination to stick to *their* rules and to disregard the information in the original BSD book when it suited them, their diet ended up a different animal to the original, a rather joyless animal who always seemed to be arguing about porridge.
    I think you’ll find you’re in better, wiser and far less judgemental company on these fora!
    Good luck
    XX

  • posted by ShrimpStation
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    Pancita: yes – there’s definitely been some porridge disagreement since I’ve been on there!

  • posted by JGwen
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    Hi peonypetal,
    I am in my 50’s , have been cal counting at times throughout my life while also eating carbs. – I started on the BSD in October 2017, I am down 90lbs, and feeling much fitter, and have more energy. I did multiple rounds back to back of BSD which initially had positive results on the scales. In April/May/June the scales stopped changing but the inch changes continued. My work load in August is hectic, and work is physically active so I have spent the month continuing to eat low carb but not counting calories. I still have a spare tyre and areas of wobby skin so over the last month I have been thinking about where I go from here. –
    When I started on this WoE I was thinking in terms of a diet, follow the BSD long enough to get the weight off, and then I can go back to eating as I used to, over time I have realised that I feel so much better eating low carb and want to continue generally eating low carb for the rest of my life. There will be exceptions, the occasional ice cream on a day out, or the occasional piece of cake at a celebration. Life is for living after all. However, there have been periods for me where according to the apps the difference between cals in and cals out were often in the region of 14000 per week and yet I wasn’t seeing the level of fat burning that I would expect.

    I have spent a lot of time reading about the science behind this idea, and the work of experts on supporting people in resetting their insulin “system” (I would particularly recommend the work of Dr Bikman, and Dr Fung). I have come up with some ideas for changes on what I am doing and thought those considering going longer than one cycle of BSD may find them helpful.
    – In the BSD book there isn’t any mention on targets on carbs, but the research all suggests that the magic happens when you get insulin levels right down. Depending on how hooked you are on carbs that may be something you do in stages, for example get rid of all the “big whites” bread, rice, pasta, sugar etc, and once you are comfortable tweak your diet further by using one of the apps like fatsecret or myfitnesspal to log everything you eat including levels of carbs and set a target of 20g a day. – You are aiming to be in ketosis. As a vegetarian its difficult for me to get my carb intake down to under 20g I tend to be closer to 30g. Once I have more me time in September, I plan to spend more time looking at vegie keto recipe books.
    There are a number of us on the forum who because we had a lot of weight to loose and were enjoying seeing the scales move decided after the first round to continue with multiple rounds of 800 cals a day. My concern is that too long on the 800 calories will result in your body adapting to being more efficient making it difficult to maintain the weigh loss in the long term. There has been some research into participants in a program called The Greatest Loser and they found that their metabolism slowed down substantially more than just the change in calories needed by their smaller bodies. That change in metabolism is because they were not on a low carb diet and because their body adapted to the change in the number of calories available. – The question is, if you are low carb does your body adapt if you follow the same eating patterns every day. The team of people working with Dr Fung who have practical experience of coaching a lot of people who are Insulin Resistant or T2D to turn their health around suggest recommend not following the same eating patterns each day.
    Look at it this way, using figures to make the maths easy. If you burn 1600 calories a day and take in 1000 calories a day from a keto diet then over the course of a week you will have 7 x 600 = 4200 calories of fat from your body to make up the difference. Alternatively if during your week you eat keto, but have a mixture of days of eating 1600 calories or 600 or 1000 each day you can still have the 4200 difference in calories over the course of the week but can also mix it up so that your body is less likely to adapt to a low calorie diet. – It takes more will power of course than applying the same limit to the amount you eat each day, but I think its the safer option if you have a lot of weight to loose so plan to be eating this way for a long time. – Instead of following the 5:2 diet, make it a keto – 4:3 to keep the calorie deficit high enough to achieve the rate of weight loss you want.

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    JGwen – very interesting post that might explain what is puzzling me at the moment. Because of my insulin resistance I have kept to 20g carbs since the beginning of April. This had kept me off the insulin injections.

    Then started intermittent fasting – mixing fasting days and calories around quite a lot – especially as I have now dropped to under 9st. Have increased calories, protein and fat in a very haphazard manner in the last month to slow weight loss. Some days 1200 calories other days 1800 calories. But all the time keeping carbs to 20g as any more carbs spike my BS. Also have increased strength training to help stall weigh weight loss as I build muscle.

    Still losing weight – slowly but it is still going down. OK – I am not too unhappy as there are still pockets of fat that need to go – but I will need to stop the weight loss soon.

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    Hi ShrimpStation
    It’s interesting that you say that you just kept going because this is entirely my plan. πŸ™‚
    I need to lose 2 more stone and I too like to get stuck in and carry on until I’ve finished ‘my project’! πŸ™‚
    I’ve been doing OK but have neigh stopped losing. But I’ve been doing ‘principal’s’ of the diet and trying to follow it as best I can select from what was in my fridge/freezer & cupboards. I’ve cleared out a few things, but can’t really afford to throw / give much away.
    But I’ve recently bought some new food products that will get me even closer to the many many food stuffs used in this diet.
    Which leads me to a question ?
    How did you choose what is best to buy?
    I’ve got all the menus / recipes in Excel (as I found the books annoying having to keep going backwards and forwards) … so even though I can create a quick list of foodstuffs when I look at the recipes I can see that I’ll only use a limited amount of certain products leaving much to potentially ‘go off’ ?? !! And that bothers me as I can’t afford to waste any food!
    So I’ve been selecting food from the diet, to help me make the best use of the ingredients, than ‘strictly’ following ‘the diet’?
    But as I’ve paused for weeks barely losing any weight I/m wondering if it’s having a ‘holding’ effect. I get bored too only eating almonds as a tiny snack. But I’ve been really good. Many days I’ve only had 2 meals too… but my shape is improving which is great. πŸ™‚
    So I’m hoping to be closer to the diet food plans which I hope will see the weight drop off again! But what are your thoughts please?

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    Hi Aurora – if sticking with the meals and menus in the book is the way you want to go that’s fine, but it is by no means necessary, so it’s no necessary to buy foods you won’t be able to use up. So if you want to devise your own meals feel free to do so, just be sure to calculate the calories and (almost more importantly) the carbs.

    As weight loss has stalled, it’s worth checking your carb intake, as it’s easy for this to creep up and lowering this intake can help to get things moving in the right direction again. Try to aim to get your carb intake sub 50g a day and see how you go. If you start to lose weight again fine, if not, try lowering the carbs a little more. It’s also important to include enough good fats, as ironically this helps to kick start fat burning.

    Hope you manage to find a way forward, that will help you to continue on the BSD within your budget.

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    Hi SunnyB Thanks for the advice. πŸ™‚ One of the reasons that I wanted to ‘just follow’ a devised plan was so that I don’t have (at this time) to figure it all out at the moment. I’d hoped that by ‘learning the right foods and quantities’ I’d be doing OK by principal and then once done with the diet side of things I could then increase a bit to remain ‘good’.
    I have no intention of using the myfitnesspal as it’s like signing your life away having scanned and read much of the t&c. Even more scary than fb! πŸ™
    Anyway I did use the 5:2 app which wasn’t too bad. But it needed better lists preinstalled of food stuffs.
    I don’t believe that I’ve overeaten carbs at all. Had zero bread and pasta but have had a calculate 2 tsp of rice that I couldn’t avoid in microwave meals that I had bought for me by very well meaning friends and relatives during my post op stage.
    So I thought do the diet, lose 2 stone over 2-3 months. But if I waste a heap of food that is disgraceful way to ‘teach people’ to ‘eat.
    So that point is much more about being seriously disappointed in that aspect of it.
    The book says stick to the diet and it’ll work.
    Because I seriously need to reduce cholesterol I wanted to follow it to get this benefit. If I haven’t followed it then I might be going wrong without realising. However, I can cut some foodstuff out of course to keep food wastage to a minimum … but that wasn’t my point.
    It was about 2 doctors spending many many hours and coming up with something that does this in the first place!?
    Seems like a terrible thing to do. Now many for 8wks it’s better to do whatever to get ‘in shape’ and reach one’s goal, but surely they truly didn’t think this ?
    I did think take the 4 wks and just rejig the whole diet, so it works for the food consumption, and use the freezer with ‘portion size’ packets as much as I possibly can ! πŸ˜€
    I’m not ‘hung up’ on the diet other than I want to ‘do it right’ to obtain the right result! So if it ‘doesn’t work’ have *I* messed up.
    I’ve only had one person so far tell me that their cholesterol dropped. So I’m keen to get this right.
    My Dr’s have zero belief that ANY diet can reduce my cholesterol. So it’d be great to show them that it is possible. πŸ˜€ (IF I can!)

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    Let me be number 2 to share my chloresteroll results, Aurora. Pre BSD, my chloresterol was sky high, and
    so was my husband’s. Six months later we both had dropped to “optimal levels”, and 20 months later, they
    remain there. I agree with Sunny, I never used recipe books either, or invested in a lot of ingredients. I
    adapted my own recipes minus the carbs, but I did ruthlessly count calories and carbs. It becomes second
    nature to do so very quickly. I kept menus very simple. I discovered that I’m very insulin resistant, and
    when I dropped carbs to <20g/day, weight loss of .5lb per day was consistent throughout the 10 months
    it took to drop 140 lbs. I don’t know what your personal goals are, but those of us who have been here
    for along time KNOW this works. It certainly takes commitment, and is more of a marathon rather than
    a sprint. Whether your after reversal of BGLs or weight loss, the results will come if you stick with it.
    This forum is the secret weapon we all have when we hit a bump in the road, and a great place to
    come to for support and knowledge. Enjoy your journey, for that’s what it truly is πŸ™‚

    Allie

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    Hi Allie Oh that is interesting. Yeah I think I’ve been sticking to it .. .I used to know cals having ‘studied’ so many products. I am looking at the cals / carbs esp before buying m/wave meals (microwave), in preparation for the post-op (on my ankle – reconstruction) needs.
    I found various vegan type dishes seemed pretty close more than others. Or buy a curry with separate rice that I can ignore.
    That kind of thing!
    I’m sure I’ll get more and more into it as I think it’s a ‘tweak’ of the meat fish cheese and veggies that I like anyway. πŸ™‚

    So it ‘makes sense’ too. But that is very encouraging to know you’ve ‘done it your way’ and got results. πŸ™‚
    Certainly in the heat I’ve had a lot more very light salads as everything else seemed too ‘heavy’!
    I figure soups in the winter can help. Perhaps I can look to make some in bulk – but I’ve said this for years and never done it – although I’m great at picking blackberries and making jam! πŸ˜€
    Anyway thank you for the share and encouraging considerations. πŸ˜€

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    You absolutely can “make this your own”, Aurora. It really is an adventure, on the way to a new lifestyle and
    healthier future. I’m terrible at being told what to do (if my parents were still alive they would nod in agreement,
    particularly concerning my teenage years πŸ™‚ ) I’ve always rebelled at authority figures! The BSD is a perfect
    fit for me, because there is so much flexibility built in, as long as we follow the basic principles of low carb,
    moderate protein and high (healthy) fat. I’m sorry that you’re faced with more ankle surgery. JGwen knows
    a lot about that. Being able to exercise is of course a healthy thing for heart and lungs, but I was too disabled
    to do any of it during my weight loss. I still achieved a respectable 1 stone loss per month, so please don’t
    be discouraged by not being able to move about as freely as you would like, post op. Here is the crazy
    thing..At month # 10 I was walking 5-10 miles a day. My weight loss for that month remained precisely
    the same!!! Just anecdotal of course, but true none the less. Be positive, you CAN do this! πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    Allie

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    Hi Allie … the upcoming op is a nasal issue after an accident many yrs ago…
    Yes I do see it as long term … I think that I need to ‘learn the foods’ because my protein/veg and basic OK diet which I thought was OK (bar comfort eating episodes) clearly hasn’t worked well enough.
    So I need to expand my veggies and explore more foods than ‘backstep’ to the ‘safe’ and quick easy cook options.
    Although I can like cooking I see it that I have far more interesting things to do. And ‘I’ come last in essence.
    But it needs to change. So I’d hoped that following the diet would just work. In essence perhaps it’s does but im my humble opinion it needs re-jigging. I’m sure once it’s all understood it makes sense and all the foods are known how to cook etc.
    But it’s a long time to sort it all out and an ‘effort’.
    One that I am prepared to make but just know it’ll all take a lot of my time!
    I have worried about whole milk in my tea and used tea to help stave off hunger (which I have been inspite of implications that it’s very rare)! Yet others are using cream in their coffee!
    Anyway I’ll need to bury my head in it all and try and phathom it all out, and plod on! πŸ˜€ Thanks for the information. πŸ˜€

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    I agree, Aurora, there is definitely a steep learning curve involved, for all of us. We all make mistakes along
    the way, and it does take practice. However, it is well worth the time to make this investment in ourselves.
    I found Gary Taubes book “Why We Get Fat..and What To Do About It” pivotal in my understanding, and I
    shamelessly recommend it on this forum. I just rented a copy from my local library, but went on to buy my
    own when I saw it as “the Bible” for me. He’s got several you tube lectures on the internet too. Have
    a good evening!

    Allie

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    Hi Allie Ahha yes I went and bought it after someone – perhaps you – recommended it. Found it cheap in ebay! πŸ˜€ Still reading it ! πŸ™‚
    I gave priority to meal prep from the diet books. I got both Dr MMosley and wife Dr C Bailey recipes books.
    I’ve even kept off the morphine as it has so much sugar in it! πŸ™‚

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    Ha, Aurora! Who needs morphine when you get into efficient fat burning mode? The natural high from that
    state of being is hard to match πŸ™‚

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    Hello Aurora! After reading your post re cholesterol, something which might be useful for you to check out. A neighbour who had a heart attack a few years ago was advised to have oats for breakfast . . . his cholesterol levels decrease dramatically! and have stayed down. Me on the other hand have ALWAYS had low low low cholesterol – and the oats blew my sugar levels sky high πŸ™‚ Hope this helps in some way πŸ™‚

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    What a lovely encouraging post Allie! You are so inspirational and supportive to so many πŸ™‚ God Bless you!

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    Hi Alliecat
    The morphine is for the post op ankle reconstruction! πŸ™‚
    I’m soon to start the offical physio although I’ve been doing all that I can myself and managing to bear just a little weight already! πŸ™‚
    But the official physio will start soon! Then the pain really begins! But hope to be properly walking again in next 2 months.
    Just trying to lose weight helps me in many ways including not having to cart so much about with every step!
    Lost over a stone now so doing OK.
    πŸ™‚
    Was researching a bit about Keto diet too as some of those recipes look good too – although keeping an eye on calories is needed I felt.
    Certainly look forward to trying more recipes from MM books & keto … but a lot of the principals are beginning to look familiar.
    I did find today though that my initial feta salad saw several added ingredients. Making a bigger salad that was originally intended. And I know that this is one of my ‘problems’. I don’t want to waste the food so serve a ‘little’ (of each), but it’s more than I ought to be doing! Somehow I have to learn to be more selective. And perhaps why I’m chubby in the first place ! πŸ™‚ Although I can & have to reduce what I serve but I can find it hard. Perhaps because the meals don’t look ‘enough’. Ach anyway .. I’ll keep trying to do better ! πŸ˜€

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    I didn’t mean to be flippant about the morphine, Aurora πŸ™‚ I don’t think anyone thinks about the number of fine
    bones in our feet and ankles, until we have a problem with them. I hope that you have time enough to batch
    cook some recipes for the freezer prior to your surgery, and that you have a friend or family member who
    will be stopping by to deliver fresh ingredients, in the form of vegetables and salad fare. Please let
    us know when your surgery date is, and I’m sure that lots of suggestions will follow πŸ™‚ xxx

    Allie

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    Hello Allie and Aurora! Maybe those little quiches can be made and frozen . . .? πŸ™‚ They are SUPERB! Ground beef/minced steak if your an Aussie! Mix in some herbs and line a muffin tin recesses like a crust . . . pop in diced bacon, tomato, leek, whatever you choose. Whip some eggs with pepper and a little salt if you wish . . . or curry powder or spices . . . slowly dribble the eggs mix into the recesses and pop in the oven. They are GREAT on their own or with salad or hot veges.:)

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    These mini quiches sound wonderful, WoodDuckie! My husband is a professor, and about to return to the
    Fall schedule in short order. I’m going to batch cook some of these, and send him off to the college with
    this and a salad, for lunch! I know what’s available in the cafeteria is junk food..I AM looking forward to him
    being out of the house πŸ™‚ You mentioned earlier, if I’m not mistaken, that you enjoy arts and crafts projects?
    I like to keep my hands busy too, and in recent years have done museum quality Ukrainian easter eggs, sugar-
    paste flowers for wedding/specialty cakes, painting in watercolor, and creating multi-dimensional greeting
    cards. What do you enjoy?

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    Hi Allie! Glad to be of help with the quiches! The ones I made were SO GOOD!!!! (I know self praise is no recommendation but . . .!) – re crafts . . . for a few years while recovering from my “event” – (43 days in ICU – drug induced coma and three primary infections . . .:( – ) saw me do ANYTHING which could get my hands and brain working. I started with crocheting afghan shoulder or knee rugs. Instead of squares and joining them . . . I just kept going around . . . so the finished metre square item looked like a giant single square πŸ™‚ I lost interest at 1 metre hence the size! They were uniform “formal stripes” with three complimenting colours/tones one a “tweed mixed colour” with two others which blended. I donate these to my local hospital for the Oncology unit. Then came the knitted Trauma Teddies – all from the scraps of the kneerugs πŸ™‚ Next were the “comfort blankies” for Ronald McDonald House children πŸ™‚ They were fun . . . given to patients and siblings alike to wrap their favourite doll or teddy . . . just like they had been wrapped πŸ™‚ Mixture of crocheted and knitted . . . crazy colours, sizes and patterns πŸ™‚ A drive was on to do “gift boxes” for deployed service men and women in the Middle East. I had fun creating four of those surprise packages for Christmas last year!!! Then came the DOZENS of little beanies for the NICU unit – closely followed by the jackets – although I did find them quite tedious. During this time . . . I was asked to help elder grand-daughter with a school project which entailed making – (coincidence . . .?) – greeting cards πŸ™‚ It entailed pressed/drying flowers etc etc etc.. I began experimenting – and no longer have a dining room table as it became my workstation πŸ™‚ I collect ALL KINDS of “things” from charity stores and began creating mainly 3-D greeting cards with no set themes . . . $1 from each sale going to my Rural Fire Service Station . . , and while Ive tried flea markets, church stalls etc . . . there was little interest. A local pharmacy seems the only outlet with success – and Im most grateful to them for having them on their counter πŸ™‚ Just wish I could find other outlets for the stock pile of maybe 200 still on hand! The latest creations have handmade baby booties, miniature cookbooks, poetry books and Beatrix Potter collectable miniature books . . . A tiny frame with my handdried lavender under glass, delicate pictures with interlocked scrabble letters describing the pic . . . vintage embroidered handkerchiefs under “perspex” in window cards . . . jigsaw puzzles are done and a segment isolated and mounted . . . (a complete picture is “shrunk” to be for the reverse to explain!) – Movies on DVD – I made a delicate “dahlia” out of petals from the Honesty flowers with a muslin bag of seeds included! . . . miniature tapestry kits to make bookmarks or pictures πŸ™‚ And on it goes πŸ™‚ I started with the idea of them being the gift you give when you dont really want to get into a real gift giving cycle πŸ™‚ Some folks understood . . . I think more need explanation cos my wavelength can be a bit off centre to many – (something Ive discovered all my life actually so why am I not surprised now with this new delightful hobby! Hence I now add a little “explanation/suggestion/idea” note on the cellophane cover πŸ™‚ Impressed with your description of your talents !!! Nice!!!

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    WoodDuckie, you clearly have the creative gene, too! I can completely relate to having the diningroom table
    unuseable for months on end…Fortunately, my husband is very easy going and tolerant, and adapts well
    to eating off of a tray! Sometimes I even get up at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning, with an idea consuming my
    thoughts, and he emerges from the shadows to find me seated at the table, in a pool of light, working on
    something! It actually amuses him, after calling me obsessive compulsive, of course πŸ™‚ I don’t have an iphone,
    so I can’t share my work, but I’d love to see yours!

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    So much sanity has been regained at 1-2-3am πŸ™‚ With “forced sleeping” for the majority of those comatose 43 days . . . my sleeping patterns were shot to ribbons πŸ™ And when I eventually came home . . . I had NO-ONE here to question why I was making an imaginative card idea become a reality at an hour when most are sleeping πŸ™‚ heheheheh! (Another humbling sideline of this WOE has been those sleeping patterns slowly becoming more “normalised”. Oh joy oh joy!) If you can share an email Id be happy to share some pics πŸ™‚ Sincerely
    Duckie

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    For the life of me and two hours on I CANNOT find the person who asked me re snow peas. Sugar peas snap peas are snow peas to us here in Australia . . . the WHOLE pod with the not yet fully formed peas intact. Snip off the stem and “little hat” at the end and pull string of the edge . . . steamed quickly they are delicious . . . from one carb counter Ive found – and refer to for stable comparisons! – seems 100 grams adds 7gms of carb. and a WHOLE PACK of maybe 50 . . ? – (just guessing) – is 250gms. I only ever add maybe 6 . . . though in the case of my curried king prawns, shallots and onions . . . maybe 10-12 and mainly for colour. There is no nutritional breakdown on the bag πŸ™ Any additional info would be appreciated!

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    Good morning, Woodduckie!
    We call them Mangetout here in the UK. Here’s a link to my local supermarket’s macros, on fatsecret.
    https://www.fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=fjrd&rid=1699261
    Hope this helps. Oh, and the carbs figure is the net carbs, in other words, the fibre figure has already been deducted.
    Just dashing around getting ready for work, so catch up with you later. πŸ™‚
    Kazzeexx

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    Thank you πŸ™‚

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    Hi Alliecat & oodDuckie,
    Me too on the creative side. I’m an animator and the anount of time i’ve been up neigh all night working on projects.
    I’m in the UK.
    Yes it was me that asked about snowpeas! Yes I agree with KazzUK – they’re mangetout in UK. And cost a fair bit.
    But my creativeness stems to some electrical things – like had the table covered in a Ball pitcher from the US and rediong it’s 12v supply so that I can ise it on tennis courts where there’s no electrics. But still working on making the ball feeder side of it. πŸ™‚
    But been buying bits of art aupplies as about to do a card for my brother.
    I’ve been looking for ‘frosted cel’ but the UK is out .. .a US company said they have some but too ‘expensive’ to post they said without even quoting! So if anyone can find any I’d be SO grateful. They about 14″wide and 12 down but ANY size would be great. Made for the animation industry but they’re rarely used now! You can use to to help create depth. Sprays used to delete the ‘frost’ on the acetate to have areas of ‘clear’ again. It’s like tracing paper on acate but you can draw on it with crayons/coloured pencils, and pain on the rear of the cel/acete. πŸ™‚
    No I’ve not managed to do much in the way of block cooking. Got about 2 pre-pared meals in. … but I’m managing to cook OK. Usu with long bouts of going and sitting down. πŸ™‚ Getting a bit of an idea now … but still making mistakes of adding in too many herbs!:D
    Still loosing weight little by little. Perhaps if I cut out my tea I’d do better. But I like my tea and whole milk. I gather from a tv program the other day (scientific proving facts) that whole milk has a far better balance of nutrients than semi-skimmed. πŸ™‚

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    Aurora, I see that you’re a bit of a crazy person, too! How nice πŸ™‚ I’m American, so I’ll have a bit of a search
    to see if I can locate some of the material you’re looking for. I can’t stand being told I have no access to
    material that I know would be “perfect”. I once ordered feathers from a poultry farmer! Have you ever seen
    the site Etsy.com ? I often find the most obscure things there. Have you settled comfortably into this way
    of eating? It truly becomes habit after awhile πŸ™‚ You just have to practice, practice, practice!

    Allie

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    Hi Allie
    Aww thanks that’s very kind… πŸ™‚
    No I’ll check out the website .. Been wonderin about buying a 2nd hand Kitchen Aid mixer from the States as they’re SO much cheaper than in the UK. (Even with the high cost of p&P & import duties!) Figure it can help with the ‘mixing’ and the spirialising etc etc ! And ought to last a nice long time! πŸ˜€
    I wouldn’t say that I’m really into it yet, but I think it’s ‘just’ beginning to ‘work’. I made a mix with prawn, courgette, cauli, mushroom, red cabbage, lentils, with herbs, and the last of the creme fraiche at the end, and it actually tasted very nice. I didn’t even burn it either ! πŸ˜€
    So I think I’m just beginning to get an idea abotu what I’m trying to do. I’m still doing ‘adding everything’ than being minimal… but this is a ‘don’t want it to go off’ issue… Think that’s a shopping / storage ‘thing’ too… but i’m trying to think how to stretch salad things… so I either don’t always buy in ‘salad’ things and have alternatives.
    I even had a kipper for lunch with a tomato (as I only had 2 left) and some salad leaves with it as they are slowly ‘going off best’! But I really ought not have had the salad leaves.
    I think too I’m still finding it had not to ‘fill’ the plate. I still feel a need to ‘eat’ a good meal and if I”d just had kipper and 1 tom I think / know that I’d have been hungry before dinner. But I was was late having brekky it became lunch. Then lunch was dinner. I’m managing with nuts to fill in, but I’ve had a few days where I ‘really want something more’! I have though spinach and a litte butter ought to be a good fill in. and with a little cheese if I’m hungry.
    So in reality no not really, but I think I’m getting the idea. I am trying hard not to eat too much so that I can try and lose another 1.5st !
    I’d say it’s not all easy but it’s OK.
    I have really enjoyed the seeds and nuts and love adding them to food. πŸ™‚

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