I thought it might be useful to have a thread where we can pass on any book, article, YouTube video, TV program or recipe that we have personally found useful or thought provoking. I would like to find Luvtcook’s link to 150 side dishes but have no idea which thread it’s on …. please repost if you read this LTC. There are so many links I’ve lost ….

So let’s make this a ‘reference’ thread. I’ ll start it off with a book I’m reading at the moment…..
Reverse your Diabetes: The step-by-step plan to take control of type2 diabetes. By Dr David Cavan.
This is an interesting book if slightly less ‘readable’ than MM’s BSD. David Cavan is a UK diabetes specialist and he advocates low carb eating. However, he gives guidelines about the quantities of carbs per day. He seems to be more relaxed about the amount of carbs that can be eaten so may be worth reading. I have to say I’m only half way through but it is reinforcing my belief in BSD.

There is also a YouTube video which I’ve not watched but may give a flavour of his work.

Please post a reference for anything you have found useful on this journey.

For anyone with access to UK TV tomorrow, Wednesday January 3rd….
BBC 2 , 8pm, Tom Kerridge ‘ Lose Weight for Good’ followed by, at 8.30pm,
Michael Mosley ‘Trust Me I’m a Doctor ‘ , a new series.

Will definitely watch both of those verano. Thank you. Something decent on TV at last!

There’s something on channel 5 tonight about weight loss too (anyone would think it was the New Year!).

Thanks V. Great idea for a thread. I’ll be watching!

Kxx

Yes a really good idea. Thank you Verano. Here is LTC’s link: https://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/150-best-keto-side-dish-recipes-low-carb/
I hope the Tom Kerridge programme is better than the trailer in the Sunday Times. It sounded as if he personally had made great progress by cutting out carbs and alcohol, but that the diet he advocates in the programme is low-fat. We shall see!

Hi there, You and Yours on Radio 4 (UK) looking for people who have lost weight to tell them how and also how they kept it off. Strikes me there’s a few on here would be fab.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qps9/contact

Just heard it Radio, am not involved in it

Hi, everyone! This is yet another thoughtful and inspired idea for a thread
from Verano. (Hi V., enjoy your time back in the sun 🙂 ) I’ve posted the name
of this book so often to newbies that I know I’m risking becoming a tedious
drone about it! However, more than MMosley’s book, this is the one that
I consider “the bible” for changing the way I think about food forever after
reading it in june of 2016. I continue to do a refresher course on it periodically,
and it’s also the perfect companion piece to the BSD. Californiagirl (hi Julia!)
and I take turns in recommending it! 🙂

Author: Gary Taubes
Title: Why We Get Fat…And What To Do About It

There are also numerous you tube lectures available on line.

Enjoy, and Happy 2018 to you all…

Allie

Thanks all, that’s my viewing and recording sorted.

Hi Allie, Happy New Year to you to. I will definitely read the book this year. I think I have been put off before by not so good reviews. Time to make up my own mind!

Glad we can be of help s-g and Happy New Year to you.In fact Happy New Year to anybody I may have missed out!

Thanks caronl I shall take a look at that now.

I watched the channel 5 program last night and I now realise that I no longer find them interesting, I think I used to watch every diet related program and read every article in the hope of finding something new. I found it in BSD in 2016! Nonetheless I will be watching tonight. It will be interesting to see Tom Kerridge I do like his low carb cook book even if some of his recipes are a bit high in calories.

For anybody who hasn’t read MMs ‘The Clever Guts’ book give it a go. Whilst I won’t follow that diet I did find it a really interesting read. Very informative.

Thank you for setting up this thread, Verano. It’s really useful to have all this info in one place. I’m loving the 150 keto dishes site; there are some interesting side dish recipes…am intending to try the cauliflower steak recipe tonight..

I fancy the zucchini patties which I think will be great with a fried egg on top! Certainly some interesting side dishes on the website.

A few links that may be of use to newbies…

http://www.dietdoctor.com
http://www.fatsecret.co.uk
http://www.fatsecret.com For those not in the UK
http://www.myfitnesspal.co.uk or .com

Hi all, I watched the diet programme on 5 last night and it was very much the same old same old, however, it did show fats in a much better light than previous regimes have considered it. Rosemary Conoly still insisted that fats are bad and in fact, she was the person who was responsible for the ‘low fat’ mantra which created a whole industry. End results, some fats are bad, not all fats are bad, cholesterol is needed by the body, now you can all eat eggs. Celebrity dieter (Josie from Big Brother) didn’t do great on keto diet but I thought she was just encouraged to eat fat with everything with no limits or consideration of how many calories it contains. Could have cut the prog by half an hour if they didn’t keep running the same pictures of fat over and over every time they mentioned the word.

Hubby is not pleased as I have 4 progs set to record tonight, all to do with diet or exercise.

I watched last night’s programme too. That keto diet seemed a bit extreme to me – it was all fat and protein without any veg other than mushrooms as far as I could see.

I think it’s true that a low fat diet can help some people lose weight, but (as they admitted in the programme) it’s not the only option and won’t be best for everyone. There was nothing in the programme that made me doubt that the fast 800 will be a good option for me.

Just reading the lovely Dr Chattergee’s book, The Four Pillar Plan. Lots of lovely pictures of the lovely Dr, selling a lifestyle (this is not a criticism!). I pre-ordered it before I found the BSD and it arrived a few days ago.

I would class him as a moderate, in that he is not into a one size fits all, but does think there’s too much sugar in the world. He does promote trying exclusion of gluten and dairy on a trial basis, to see if it works, and he also encourages insulin resistant people to follow a BSD diet for a limited period, though he says over time he tries to reintroduce root veg (some can some can’t manage it).

His other pillars of health are sleep, mindfulness, exercise.

It’s a very easy read, good introduction to it all – probably a bit basic if you’ve been involved in this WOE for a while.

Afternoon, everyone! I wish I could contribute to this discussion, but this
programming doesn’t run in the U.S. Sadly we are ignorant of the BSD also!
Sunshine-girl, we may be talking about 2 different things here with regard to
rosemary Connolly, i.e., “diet industry” vs. the father of the low fat hypothesis,
but it was actually the deeply flawed research of Ancel Keyes just prior
to the 1980’s that began it all. reference: Gary Taubes, “Good Calories, Bad
Calories”, a 500 page very well footnoted book, that took 5 years to write,
and it is fascinating to read about the history of the research done from just
prior to WWII until the present. Whole chapters are devoted to the lipid
hypothesis vs the carbohydrate hypothesis. It’s a great work of scientific
journalism in my humble opinion, but not the easiest of reads. Due to
the reception it received, Taubes was encouraged to write a follow up,
which became “Why We Get Fat…And What To Do About It”, and much
more user friendly. I’ll have to educate myself on Rosemary Conoly!
I love this thread!

Allie

Hi Allie, Rosemary Conley was a diet guru in the 80’s in the UK. Due to gall stones she developed a low fat diet but at the time ‘low fat’ everything manufactured didn’t exist, she just told you to read the labels so for example, with cheese, you could have cottage cheese but not full fat cheeses like Cheddar. From this trend the food manufacturers started to produce ‘low fat’ versions of foods like yoghurts and cheeses. I am sure some American also thought about it or got there first, just like Michael Mosley is copying the Banting diet for the late 1800’s. Which was nicked from a French doctor who developed low carbing for diabetics. It all comes back round.

Gary Taubes, sorry but I cannot get into this book. It is so technical with so many examples of peoples of other cultures – more like a book on anthropology than a diet book. I will keep picking it up but it is such hard going.

Thanks for starting this thread Verano, great idea! I did buy the Gary Taubes book after recommendation (might have been yours Allie!) but am also finding it hardgoing. Thanks for making me feel better about that s-g, thought it was just me ☺

Thanks so much for the additional info on Rosemary Conoly, s-g! I will be looking
her up on the web. I can appreciate yours and Sandy’s conclusions re Taubes
books. They do take some extra effort to absorb, and I agree that they amount
to more than yet another diet book. Maybe this is why Mosley’s work is so
important…He writes in an easy style and focuses on the blood sugar issue,
a problem that has reached epidemic proportions in both the UK and USA!
It does really dishearten me that the BSD is virtually unknown here, though
our very small contingent of Americans for so vast a country, Californiagirl,
Esnecca, Luvtcook, and I do our best to spread the word! I’m not very good
at being told what to do though, so Taubes work provides the “why” for me,
and the clouds parted for me after reading it. Thank you all for the interesting
discussion. Having achieved weight loss and maintenance, I’m hyper focused
on increasing my knowledge of nutrition/health in general, so all the
recommendations here are a great place to start.

Thanks everyone for your contributions 🙂

Allie

No worries Allie, will be persevering with the book, maybe it will make more sense once I’ve finished it. I’ve also found myself more and more interested in how my body works and as I’ve said before, this is the first time I ‘ve been successful in losing weight. Still some way to go though, and I’ve been really interested to read the other thread about maintenance. You’ve all done so well and looking forward to joining you all on the maintenance thread whenever that is this year. On the subject of Tom Kerridge, I’m just wondering why he said at the beginning of the programme that he ditched carbs and beer to lose his weight, but his recipes don’t seem to be low carb…

Allie, there is an organisation called Futurelearn.com. They run free online courses, one of them is The Science of Nutrition and it is starting again on 8th January or 12th March, it is 4 weeks and you only need do around 3 hours per week. I am sure you would enjoy this. I am also sure Verano will be with me on this recommendation. I have done about 6 courses, they are all free although you can pay to upgrade which means you get to keep the course on your computer forever but they run so often I just dip in and out.

Wow, sunshine-girl, this course excites me, I’ll be taking a look tonight after
dinner, on this side of the pond! Can’t thank you enough for thinking of me
and offering this suggestion. It will be fun to have V on board too!

Allie

I’ve also done a few Futurelearn.com courses – mostly not health-related – and would also recommend them.

For anyone who is newly diagnosed with diabetes there is usually a short 2 week course which you can do. You’ll find it listed under the Health (and Wellbeing?) section. If you’ve done some reading around the topic you may find you already know a lot of it, but I found it useful while trying to get to grips with some of the what is diabetes – type questions. Like sunshine-girl, I’ve never paid to upgrade.

Allie – if you haven’t visited their website they also have a range of creative courses you might be interested in.

Sunshine-girl – I’m about to start one on cyber-security but the Science of Nutrition one is definitely on the list .

Allie, I’ve joined up for the Science of Nutrition starting on 8th January, as s-g suggests – thank you s-g – and also the Nutrition and Wellbeing starting on 15th January. Just hope I can find enough time to do both concurrently. Would be good to have some buddies.

I took a course on FutureLearn once about the French Revolution and it was outstanding. A couple of the history of food subjects caught my eye when I was looking for the Science of Nutrition. I might just have to have a romp through monarchical feasting as I learn about digestion and macros. Seems like an entertaining combination.

I’ve just signed up for the January 8th course too, Theo. Let’s pack this class with BSDers, shall we?

Hi all, I’ve registered for the 8th January course as well. I haven’t used Futurelearn before but everyone here has given it such a good write up I’m looking forward to it. As Esnecca and Theodora and others have said it will be good to study with other BSDers (although at only 7 weeks in, with a 2 week lapse over Christmas I don’t consider myself fully fledged yet).

S-g thanks for highlighting Futurelearn. I have just looked back at my page and I did sign up for both The Science of Nutrition and Nutrition and Well-being and still have both of them online. I think it was February last year when they stopped unlimited access unless you upgrade. Anyway I didn’t finish either course because I took ill so I’ll definitely be there with you all!

OK all signed up and also January 8th Liver Disase:Looking After Your Liver ….. think this might be very useful for me at the moment!

Oh good – will be great to have some study buddies – are you all registered under the same user names as here? Just so we recognise each other – I’m simply Theo.

Morning all. Like Sandy47, I was disappointed with the Tom Kerridge programme last night. He starts off stating he lost 12 stone by low carbing and ditching beer. Then his whole programme was about low calorie and low fat alternatives and shows how to make muffins for breakfast! He used sugar, honey, milk, flour, bananas, to make a 197 cal breakfast muffin – I was screaming at the tv! The people he was handing the diet packs out to were large men and women and for whatever reason, were comfort eaters. He said that low carb isn’t for everyone and some people may struggle so here are some alternative ways ….. What was so annoying, he obviously knows the effect on our bodies from sugar and refined carbs, so how he could make a programme supporting the opposite to what he knows the truth to be? Why not at least explain to the volunteers how refined carbs keep you feeling hungry and the more you eat, the more you want? It’s on BBC iplayer if anyone wants to see it. BUT, if you’re in a happy place, don’t watch! Hope this link works…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09l5mfr/tom-kerridges-lose-weight-for-good-series-1-1-comfort-food

Kazzee xx

No not me! I guess we all need to go to the ‘welcome’ area and introduce ourselves as BSDers?

I’ve edited my profile and am Verano BSD , VB, and have just signed into the welcome area.

I so agree with you Kazz. Just watching it now and appalled at the sugar content. He is feeding their addictions instead of changing them.

Nonna Mary
xxx

Yes, all, I’m signing up for the course beginning on the 8th also. Great suggestion
s-g, and thanks! I like the idea of study buddies, a term I haven’t used in decades.
Something else to talk about, Theo! Seems that I’m spending more and more
time here, to the neglect of other things…I’m blessed to have an O/H who is
oblivious to a disorderly home 🙂 🙂 🙂

Kazzee couldn’t agree more. I know there are courses for horses but pushing the same outdated ideas, especially when he chose the low carb route for himself, is just tantamount to blatant commercialism. I know this WOE is the best for me but it is difficult at the start when you consider cutting out foods that have been the mainstay for most people. But of course we know it can be done and does eventually become a new WOL.

It hasn’t even started yet and the course has already given me an insane idea for a new dish. I signed up for that class by University of Reading and Historic Royal Palaces about the feasting habits of British monarchs from Henry VIII to Victoria when I was looking for Nutrition because I saw that it only had a month and a half left of being available to free users. It’s a completed class, so you can just click through non-stop. The links, videos and integration with the resources of HRP are engrossing and sent me on numberous romps through Tudor recipes thinking of ways I could change some and marveling at how little I would have to change others. So now I have like three sligtly crazy Renaissance dishes derived from actual period sources that I want to translate to BSD.

It’s probably the sleep deprivation talking, but this is fun! I always was a book nerd. It feels like I’m back at school on the first day with my brand new Trapper Keeper and pencils sharpened to a dangerously fine point. 🙂

Kazz, just reading the title of that episode in the link was enough to pop a blood vessel. STOP SUCKING UP TO CARBS, KERRIDGE. Have carbs kidnapped your daughter and this is the ransom price? Are they paying you a billion dollars? Did you at least see them help a little old lady cross the street once? Because they are not “joy” not a “celebration” not “living” not “love” and not freaking “comfort.” For a literal global pandemic’s worth of people, they are a curse. He knows that very well, of course. Like Verano says, he’s making a calculated move of suppressing the truth to sell drugs to junkies. Always a lucrative business.

Whilst most of the recipes weren’t for me, I did quite like the look of the Lasagne, very easy to make BSD-friendly.

The script did seem a bit jarring “I lost 12 stone on low-carb, but sod-that low fat here we come” with lingering shots over Tate and Lyle aisles in Tesco. Interesting that the Turkish guy, who seemed to have a particular thing for biscuits, actually put weight on. Can’t think why on a diet full of flour, honey and rice.

LOL! It is difficult to work out JM! Just leave some M.D. speechless.

Would anybody like a separate ‘Futurelearn’ thread?

Predictive again! ‘ just leaves me speechless’.

Have revived S-g’s Future Learn thread.

Marie123 I am interested in the cyber security course, if you have a link, as I got my Amazon account hacked at Christmas and, although they didn’t get away with anything, it was an absolute pain to get anyone to help me. All okay now but I thought I was quite savvy and didn’t answer or click on links in the many email I received, they still got me.

Also the Science of Nutrition course has 2 run dates so 8th Jan but if you are busy I think 12th or 15th March.

I haven’t been back here in ages, but had to come on this morning to see if anyone was talking about Kerridge’s show!

I checked Tom Kerridge’s twitter to see if anyone had taken him to task about his switcheroo on carbs. A fair few people have said it to him and his main response when he does respond is
“This is what the NHS recommends”

and he actually told someone
“All diets work as long as you stick to them”.

And he is challenging people to wait and see if his group gets results.
Of course they’ll get results. Sticking to a diet whilst under the pressure of being on telly is not representative of real life at all.

I was totally taken aback by the new show. People with problems comfort eating and he’s baking trays of muffins. Great if
you only eat one, but how bloody hungry is one 190cal muffin going to leave you and how long before you’ve eat the tray.

My guess is the Dopamine Diet book didn’t sell so well. So he’s backing what sells rather than what works.
The show itself is extremely misleading but could never be called dishonest because he does mention the fact he did it low carb.
I would think the majority of viewers miss that and presume the low cal diet is how he lost the weight.
I mean presuming that a guy who lost a ton of weight is showing the same diet he lost the weight on isn’t much of a presumption is it!

For the person above who liked the lasagne. It’s very similar to his recipe for moussaka in the Dopamine Diet book.
Almost identical except for the fact that the sauce in the moussaka is double cream and full fat cheese. Hurrah!

Hi MartyM, to be fair to Tom, he does advocate LOW carbs so makes normally high carb foods, like muffins, using much less of the bad stuff. He also did say that his diet was too strict for most people to stick with and wanted a diet that could fit into peoples lifestyles and not be too different from what they craved. If found the only food I wouldn’t eat was the muffins but I make the same lasagne (not with the roasting of the meat business) but I normally used roasted aubergine instead of pasta. Of course, I would never dream of making rice pudding, but if it is your thing then maybe understanding the science of switching bad for good in recipes might help a lot of people. There are a lot of people out there who have no idea, this is a start.

I found the Tom Kerridge thing really annoying too. He said what worked for him, but got his victims doing something else! Fair enough to say not all diets will work for everyone and suggest alternatives, but why ONLY give alternatives and no info on the diet he followed and which he knows works??? It was a bit like going to the doctor with an infection and being told ‘antibiotics would clear that up no trouble, so here’s a plaster and a pint of lager’.

Did anyone see the thing about the two naturally slim people who didn’t exercise or diet? It was sort of interesting, but a bit misleading. They both did two hours really energetic exercise a week, which isn’t none! They also didn’t snack or drink alcohol very often, which would help keep the calories down.

Having seen the ‘talk up’ of the Tom Kerridge programme on breakfast TV, I didn’t have the patience to watch the actual programme. It struck me that there was a hypocrisy in advocating something different to the method he had used to lose his weight, but also using himself as an example of what can be achieved. He also mentioned during the interview, that this ‘new’ diet was more inline with NHS guidelines – for me that said it all really.

I will continue to keep the faith with the BSD and advocate it at any opportunity.

Hi sunshine-girl

What a pain about your Amazon account. I know I’ve had a couple of attempts on different accounts, too, hence my interest.

Here is the address of the cyber-security course I mentioned in the earlier post:
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/introduction-to-cyber-security
It’s titled Introduction to Cybersecurity. The start dates: 8th Jan, or 7th May. It runs for 8 weeks, 3 hours per week – run by the Open University.

To be honest, I started this course last September and unlike the other courses I’ve done, I gave up the ghost part way through – probably because it’s a course I feel I need to do rather than want to do. But I’m starting it again on 8th Jan – I’ve started so I’ll finish etc. But this time I’m going to take Esnecca’s approach and ‘romp through’

When I was looking for the above just now I also came across this course which might be worth looking at:

Cyber Security: Safety at Home, Online, in Life
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/cyber-security#section-overview
This runs for 3 weeks 3 hrs per week – run by Newcastle University
You can join now, 5th Feb or later….

I might well join this one at weekend and try to whizz through it before Jan 8th. May not need to do the longer one!

Hope this helps. Let me know how you get on.
Marie

Hi (again) Allie.. I’m s orta stalking you – in a good way – to read your wisdom-filled posts and get a better idea of how success is achieved. Some commentary about Gary Taubes and the keto WOE.. I’ve read his and so many more books on the subject. I’ve done plain low carb, keto stix.. the whole nine yards – on and off. I”ve followed keto pioneers like Jimmy Moore gain back weight a couple of times without ever straying from the diet. I’ve read studies about the difficulty at sticking with it long term… And, I’ve read that it can mess with your metabolism if done long term (hence Jimmy’s weight gain).. BUT, the reason I think this is different and can and will work long term – is because there are so many alternative tools and sub-plans within the system.

What I mean is – there are so many tweaks.. alternating 800 Cal days with more normal days, while staying LC-Mediterranean style can help us prevent that “failure” mentality which easily leads to totally falling off the wagon. Going on a vacation? Indulge a bit and get back at it immediately.. the extra calories may help nudge a plateau. Or, incorporate the 5:2 method one week and only eat 500 calories on 2 or 3 fasting days and normal LC-Mediterranean on non-fasting days. Take a week or two off the severe restriction and then go back at it..

I also like how members talk about “rounds”.. It’s a great idea to try to maintain a loss for awhile and let the body adjust. And then go to round 2, 3, etc. depending on how much a person has to lose.

I’m rambling now.. but, has anyone out there had success using a combination of the alternative methods?

Hi all, I finally got around to watching the Tom Kerridge programme on catch up. At least I started, was put off by him saying that low carb diets weren’t for everyone, and not giving the people on his programme a chance to see if that WOE worked for them. Then I gave up completely at the point that he stared making breakfast with honey and banana.

Such a shame, presumably he couldn’t make a low carb programme because of money and sponsors, so made a general diet one instead.

Victoria, I think the problem with the Kerridge programme starts when he says his diet is too difficult to follow and he is using an NHS approved dietary format. It is like he is saying Hey folks I lost loads of weight by doing this but dont think you lot are capable so here is another s—t diet plan like all the others. What a cop out – although he is probably right, there are not many people who could do what we do so just be heartily proud of ourselves.

It was the muffins that did it for me. People need to learn that if they want to loose weight they should stop eating what is essentially cake for breakfast. Giving those muffins to someone who has an over eating problem is like giving light beer to an alcoholic.

Hi all – I hope you don’t mind me jumping in here. I have noticed before that BBC programmes almost always revert to the low-fat/high carb mantra – I’m wondering if, because the Beeb is a publicly owned thing, they’re obliged to present the current health ‘advice’ as I have noticed this with other progs, even Trust me! I remember being irate when MM himself appeared to be suggesting that a carb breakfast is better than a protein one.

Back to the main theme of this thread (apart from Kerridge), there is an excellent book by Mark Sisson(of Mark’s Daily Apple) called the Keto Reset. He has a very practícal and sensible approach to Keto, but also goes into the science of it and sets out a plan to move from ‘standard’ eating to Keto. He also addresses lifestyle and exercise. Unlike many of the extreme Keto ‘experts’, he is very much in favour of eating plenty of veggies, so it isn’t as restrictive as some keto diets. In fact, I think it isn’t far from what many on these forums already do.

SSB