Initial weight loss but now only gaining

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  • posted by Kimochka
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    I started this 8 week blood sugar diet 10 days ago and have been sticking to the recipes from the book and 800 cals religiously. I lost 3.5 kgs in the first 5 days but for the last 5 days I’ve put on weight every day. I’ve been walking and active and haven’t had any sugar, rice, pasta, bread, biscuits – nothing bad at all – and I’m eating only healthy food including things I’ve never eaten before. I can’t understand why I’m not losing as I’m at least 30kgs overweight. I’m not hungry or craving anything, which has amazed me. I don’t even want to eat my meals but make myself eat them. I can’t believe that I’ll be able to achieve the average 14kgs weight loss in 8 weeks that is advertised on the front of the book. After a great start I’m very disappointed and disillusioned. Why isn’t it working for me? I’m doing everything it says.

  • posted by CarolineHP
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    I believe a stall or weight gain in week two is common. Push on to week three and I think you’ll be fine. Well done on your progress so far. That’s an amazing start.

  • posted by Mixnmatch
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    Is it TOTM? I only ask because this always caused a gain for me due to hormonal water retention. If you weren’t as active prior to starting the diet then you could also be building muscle. If you are, this is a very good thing for weight loss in later stages as the more muscle you have the more fat you burn, but particularly in the formation and repair stages is heavier than the equivalent volume of fat. So my advice would be to take measurements, and you may well notice that the inches drop even if the weight doesn’t. Don’t worry about averages, you are not average, you are an individual with your own responses to this, but just bear in mind that this is the healthiest and best way to lose the weight and get fitter and healthier. Good luck with the rest of your time with us.

  • posted by Kimochka
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    Many thanks for your encouragement. I’m still hanging in there despite no progress. Week 2 coming to a close.

  • posted by Kimochka
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    Many thanks for your thoughtful response. I particularly liked the last two sentences and about not being average. You have helped me to stay motivated and I am continuing on with it to see what happens. 😺

  • posted by Squidge
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    Even if you’re not losing weight as quickly as you’d like, you’re eating more healthily, which is a good thing.

    Are you drinking enough plain water? I don’t totally understand why, but that really does seem to help with the weight loss.

  • posted by Kimochka
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    Yes I’m drinking tons of plain water and some black tea, which is what I drank before anyway. I don’t understand why it’s not working for me. I’m doing everything I’m supposed to food-wise, walking most days and have had 3 or 4 long sessions in the garden yet I haven’t lost a thing in the last 8 days. I used to lose more on my regular diets. Before I started this diet 13 days ago I ate cereal, bread, rice and pasta all day and during the night every day plus large quantities of icecream, biscuits and chocolate every day. I haven’t had a mouthful of any of those things since I started. I’m not really missing them either but I’m so disillusioned. I’m over it.

  • posted by alliecat
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    Welcome, Kimocha. I can feel your disullusionment, and it must be hard to bear. If you are highly insulin resistant,
    MMosley’s recipes may be too high in carbs for you. Many of us have had to learn to reduce them significantly
    below the choices in the recipe book. The book is well known for underestimating the calorie counts given, too.
    In the many months that I’ve been here, I’ve never known anyone to fail at this. There are many of us very experienced
    BSDers that have tweaked the program to make it work for us. If you would like to share your eating plan, we’d be
    happy to review it and offer suggestions. There are alternatives to what is presented in the book. I hope that you
    aren’t really “over it”, and just need a little guidance. Perhaps your macros are what are giving you the problem?
    Don’t give up on it, and we won’t give up on you 🙂

    Allie

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    Hi Kimocha, welcome to the forums. I’m glad to see that long-time maintainer Allie has stopped by.
    I’m a three year veteran and I agree with Allie, DONT GIVE UP!!
    You are closer than you know to true success — it’s just a matter of figuring out what is going on hormonally in your body — you are going to rock this but it is going to take a bit of experimenting….
    You are currently running high levels of insulin (your fat storage hormone) in your body — anyone with significant weight to lose will have high insulin levels.
    Insulin is a useful hormone and probably ensured cave-men lived through winter to see spring every year, but it doesn’t help those of us living in a high-calorie world.
    Insulin acts like a gate-keeper — I call it the “sheriff” because when insulin levels are high, your body locks away its fat stores and will not release them. It keeps your fat (your calories, your energy!) all safely locked away in your fat cells where you can not access them.
    How do we lower our insulin levels and “release” our fat stored calories for the body to burn? The key is carbohydrates — you need to lower the amount of daily carbohydrates to the point where you can lower insulin levels.
    This is where the “experimenting” comes in — every body is unique and everyone has their own sweet spot carbohydrate threshold.
    Mine is REALLY low, around 20-30 grams of carbohydrates per day and I think Allie might be even lower than I am.
    Some people can lose weight at 50-80 grams of carbs per day but I cannot, and maybe you are like me, and you need to drop your daily carbohydrate intake to 20 grams.
    Start measuring carbs and try to get to 20 grams per day and see how your weight loss goes. You can add more back in over several weeks to find your own sweet spot.
    Don’t give up!!! There is incredible new research on this and it works!!

  • posted by WoodDuckie
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    Hello Kim! Welcome aboard and hang in there! There are some truly AMAZING stories to be told and many yet to be written – all in this forum 🙂 I read with interest you say you dont even want/feel like eating what is on offer. Well then maybe you dont need to? Perhaps fasting might work . . .? This past four days Ive been away from my comfort zone of home. Each day, Ive had only one meal . . . and one snacky intake . . . and havent been hungry. (Today was a mixed greens salad with atlantic salmon portion and feta cubes. The snack was the remaining lowcarb olive dip and some pork krackles. Two cups of coffee – one followed each “eat” – and it will be water from now until whenever I feed myself again). Today was 21 hour fast . . . the longest I can remember doing and Im feeling energised and satisfied . . . even though it is 41oc!!! After my recent endocrinologist visit . . . thats what he advised me, ” If you arent hungry . . . dont eat. If you make a meal and dont feel like eating it all . . . dont. No one says you HAVE to!!” And maybe . . . just maybe . . . you are expecting too much of your body to soon. Allow it to adjust and work at its own pace. Unless you have a must do goal . . . just start out with little steps and little measures of gratitude for what you have been able to achieve!!! We are ALL here with – and for you . . . we have either walked . . . are are walking . . . or are beginning on the track to better health and well-being . . . and we are all prepared to offer our suggestions, encouragement, empathy, sympathies and well-intended advice gained from (our individual) experiences . . . no matter how short!!! (Ive been on board since June 24th 2018 – the first day of the rest of my life in my diary!!!!! 🙂 )Yes Ive DISCARDED 13kgs in that time . . . first 12 then put on a little . . . then obviously it dribbled away while I wasnt looking or checking – and now down another 2 this week. I DONT CONCENTRATE ON HOW MUCH HAS GONE!!! I KNOW my clothes have dropped several size . . (thank goodness for charity shops to supply more while these changes are taking place 🙂 ) I see the weight discard as a bonus to the good BSL’s I now carry. SO . . . BSD is a VERY individual thing . . . evidenced by the many and varied reasons we BSD’ers all find ourselves in different carriages on this train 🙂 Some take the city to city express . . . others take the overnight sleeper carriages . . . some all stations which obviously take a little longer BUT . . . they all reach their destinations eventually. Here’s a ticket on OUR train . . . a hand up and a smile to keep you going 🙂 Check in soon please!!!

  • posted by mrs kayode
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    I am so relieved to hear this! I have literally written down everything that I eat and drink… somedays Im coming in at only 700 or so but still nothing but I am definitely eating more than the carbs you mentioned…

    12 hour fast then

    1 apple, and 30 pistachios (180 calories)
    1 slim a noodle lunch with turnkey mice (183 calories)

    count on us/balanced for you ready meal around 350 caloires and extra veg / or 100 calories potatoes, mixed veg and meat/fish

    maybe I will try no more potatoes for a week…

    Mrs K

  • posted by Jande9
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    If you stick to the 800/day you will lose weight. Its a basic law of physics. However. 14kg in 8 weeks doesn’t happen to everybody. It took me 14 weeks to lose that.
    It really is important that you cut out all potatoes, rice, wheat, sugar and alcohol. Taking in these simple carbs will interrupt the body’s fat burning process and stall the weight loss. Eating some complex carbs from beans or other vegetables should not be a problem but I would try and limit my consumption of root vegetables.
    The first few weeks are really tricky. After the first week’s water weight loss, the body needs to change from using stored glucose for energy to using stored fat. This process is not the same for everybody. I went through a period of slight depression for a week, but by the third week I was over the depression and my body had settled into using fat for energy. I was losing about 2 pounds a week, which seems about average, and is the equivalent of a stick of butter each and every day, which is fun to think of.
    I tried some of the recipes but I soon stopped bothering with them. I had 2 eggs for breakfast, no lunch, and for supper I just ate a lump of lean protein, and a huge plate of vegetables. Cauli, brocolli, shrooms, kale, spinach, green beans, and some peas and carrots. I often had 7 different veggies on my plate. My wife got fed up cooking all these veggies so I ended up making supper most nights, a practice that still happens 1 1/2 years later!
    I am no expert but I just wanted to share what worked for me.
    Good luck,
    Jan

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    Just one observation from me re ready meals. The calories are highlighted on the front. Pre BSD (and I’ve only just very recently started) I would not have thought about turning the pack over and looking at the smaller print, which gives carbs. I looked again at 461 calories ready meals I have eaten; that doesn’t sound so bad. But turn over and look at the finer detail and in that little pack were 46g carbs and an alarming amount of sugar.

  • posted by alliecat
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    Brava, sixturkeys! Examining the nutrition panels on all prepared foods is so important. Sugar masquerades under
    at least 21psuedonyms, so it’s an excellent habit to get into..scrutinizing labels. One day I googled “alternative
    names for sugar”, and I was shocked by the number of possibilities… I am most comfortable preparing clean,
    whole foods, and avoiding convenience products all together. They tend to be landmines, as are all shakes. Sooner
    or later we need to learn how to prepare a healthy plate of food on our own, and not rely on ready meals, if we are
    to make this a way of life. I hope things are going well for you! Best,

    Allie

  • posted by sixturkeys
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    Allie, no ready meals here from now. It has been eye-opening. I have just started on the BSD, tho at my age (57) I feel I should have known better and not just coasted into increasing dress sizes as if it were an inevitability. I must say that a particular inspiration to join the forums here was reading the posts from CanadaLiz., and I think you were a regular on that forum. As good if not better than James Thurber at his best in observation and picking out the everyday absurd so that laughing out loud just can’t be suppressed. I was very sorry to see from scrolling on that she had a major health issue. “Liz says no” could become my mantra, just on the basis of the posts I read.

  • posted by alliecat
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    Sixturkeys, it’s marvelous that you’ve been around for quite awhile, and that you are at last posting! I DO remember
    the thread you referenced, but I haven’t posted there in over a year. We can never know who will resonate with
    us, but I’ve had the great good fortune to make wonderful friends there that are now out on the wider forum. I hope
    that you find an active thread too, so we can have the pleasure of getting to know you better!

    Allie

  • posted by sixturkeys
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    I first looked at this site 12 days ago – but CanadaLiz drew me in (I may have searched “alcohol”,,,) It coincided with the daily mail (free site which I look at occasionally though frankly if it wasn’t free I wouldn’t ) mentioning Fast 800…which caught my attention. The same free online site is now promoting weight watchers. So maybe I was just lucky to look at when I did.

  • posted by Jennie10
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    sixturkeys – me too – I love that thread and have laughed out loud reading it

  • posted by Californiagirl
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    Sometimes I just thought it was mean.

  • posted by alliecat
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    It became that way around the holidays last year, Julia, which is why I moved on to greener pastures, too 🙂

  • posted by 8WeeksOf800
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    You are so right – none of us is average.

  • posted by Californiagirl
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    I knew I liked you Allie! I’m glad to hear that I wasn’t alone.

  • posted by Jennie10
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    I must have missed that bit – the sections I read were just full of humanity, but each to their own I guess.

  • posted by Pancita
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    I have to agree with you Jenny, I laughed and cried but saw nothing that could be described as “mean”. Spats and cat fights on other threads, but a lovely warmth on that one.

  • posted by HorsegateSavannah
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    I too seem to have stalled, but I have only been 2 weeks dieting. I lost 5lb in the first week, then nothing since! Despite turning down doughnuts and chocolates in the office:(

    I’m going to keep going another week and see what happens.

  • posted by SunnyB
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    If a stall last more that 10days, it’s worth checking your daily carb intake as maybe tweaking it a little if need be. The other thing to be sure of, is that you are including good fats and keeping well hydrated, as these things are important for weight loss too. Don’t be too despondent, it will come right.

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    Hang in there Savannah! Rome wasnt built in a day and body adjustments take time – just the same way. 5lb is a great start . . . thats 5 cans of baked beans!!! Line them up and see how much bulk they are! or a 5lb bag of potatoes or onions. A baby even!!! Seems to me thats the excess baggage body didnt need anyways 🙂 Then it said . . . “oh right so now you want me to do things this way . . .? Well let me get used to that cos I havent done it this way before . . .” and think of your body as you would another person . . . learning something new and needing instruction, directing, tuition, nurturing and encouragement. Not giving into a craving might be the hardest thing youve ever done . . . even if just once . . . so be firm . . .and have something which is low-carb – some nuts, DARK DARK cocoa choc, pork krackle chips, like giving a child a choice . . . this or this . . . NOT THIS . . . 🙂 6 weeks isnt a long time . . . (unless yr locked indoors or in a hospital bed, hanging by yr ankles or fingernails!!!) – and as an older member here . . . I can admit and share it has been easy for us as adults to just simply do as we please without a load of discipline. The benefits Ive received from changing just a few major things – (which Diabetes “experts told me were OK!!!) – 6 months down the track I have NO WISH to go back to where I was. And the thinks I used to have and ave discarded. . .? Ive replaced with things FAR MORE interesting, decadent, inviting and satisfying!!! That alone was worth it! Thank you MM and this forum!!!

  • posted by Kimochka
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    Thank you to you all for your wise words, especially Woodduckie, Californiagirl and alliecat. I didn’t realise I had any responses so I haven’t been back to the forums for the last week.
    To my great surprise I actually don’t have diabetes, yet. While I was reading Michael’s book I went to have the blood test and it said my blood sugar and cholesterol were fine but I decided to start the diet anyway as the theory made sense and I thought dieting this way might be better than my usual diets and I want to lose about 17kgs.
    Today is the end of week 3. I haven’t lost anything this week although I have been following the recipes religiously and keeping the carb count low. I can honestly say I have not had any cereal, bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, junk food or sugar. The only exception was one home made muffin and I made my guests take all the rest home with them. I have been walking and working in the garden and doing the usual housework so I have been active.
    I’m not as despondent now as I can physically feel that I have lost weight, especially around my middle, but I’m keen for the scales to back it up.
    After 3 weeks though I’m still experiencing the aches that some people call carb flu. Particularly in my arms. Today was really bad. It hurts even raising my arms to hang out the washing and I still have no energy. I’ve been very thirsty all along and have been drinking heaps of tap water and black tea but I don’t seem to be peeing it out even after 3 weeks.
    Unless I have some sort of medical crisis with this diet I’m planning to stick it out for the 8 weeks to see what happens.
    Thank you all for your support. 🐾😺

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