Fasting

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  • posted by Kafin13
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    It is interesting isn’t it, MadMare – can’t wait for the book to dive into it and of course to do my own long fast for research. There are tests that can be done to determine if you’re insulin resistant but are very expensive so this is a much cheaper way of finding out! Congrats on 36hrs, that’s amazing and so is contemplating another one!
    Migraine gone, Beegirl, but lingering headache so I’m putting it down to the lower dosage of my antidepressants as I slowly come off them. Hope the sting is better, I’ve had wasp and bee stings in the last few years when I was camping and hadn’t had any since I was a child. Forgot how much they hurt!!! 92 hours?? That’s amazing 👍

  • posted by Elky
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    Hi MM, you’re doing really well, those are great results, you must be pleased!

    BeeGirl, that is amazing, 92 hours is very impressive. I’m sorry that you couldn’t take anything to help you get over damage from your unmentionable hobby, that would have made it much harder to tough out. Frankly I’d have likely given up on those grounds alone, so I salute you. I was going to ask if you experienced a boost in energy as you headed into day 4 – I’ve read about it but never got that far myself – but maybe this fast isn’t a fair test because you were a bit worn down by pain and lack of sleep.

    (Random aside: I always think of you when I’m in my garden and there are bees about – though there aren’t many at this time of year, poor little things. As you may know, Australia has *heaps* of native bee species, though they are mostly solitary creatures and don’t do the hive thing. I’m in a cold part of the country so don’t see as wide a variety as further north. But even here we have blue banded bees – they are really distinctive, they literally have bands of metallic blue around their little tummies, it’s so pretty. And when I see them, for some reason I always think of you!! I truly cannot explain why. Maybe because the other week you had a post about how colourful you are? 😊)

    Kafin, I probably shouldn’t say this but the fasting book is probably the one of Fung’s that I wouldn’t buy. I mean it’s really good, don’t get me wrong, but he has just been so generous in putting information on fasting protocols and such on the clinic site and on diet doctor, that there’s actually less new material in the book than I expected. Unlike, say, the Obesity one, which has *heaps* of stuff I hadn’t seen him cover before.

    And while I would really like to go to Canada one day, for some reason admitting myself to a diet clinic isn’t top on my list of things to do once I get there! Weird huh? LOL

    Have a grand day folks, Elky

  • posted by Kafin13
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    That’s helpful, Elky – I shall wait for the library and read it for free! I just want to get free testing across the board, America isn’t known for its free healthcare 😬 But yes, there are better things we could do in Canada! Xx

  • posted by Madmare
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    Hi
    Pride before the fall
    Doing really well the a couple of friends we have not seen for ages popped round last night and persuaded me (I dont need much persuading) to have a glass of wine, which inevitably turned into 3/4 of a bottle!
    One and half pounds gain this morning!! After my non fasting day on Tuesday I only gained 3/4 ib which I expected once I started to eat. I didnt eat as much yesterday as did on Tuesday so its all down to alcohol. Wont be doing that again.
    On my third fast today and very hungry but I am going to do it!!

  • posted by alliecat
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    Oh Madmare, I’ve had the identical experience with wine, too! 1.5lbs! It’s hard to accept, but that’s the ugly reality for
    some of us! I sympathize, believe me 🙂

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Oh Mad Mare, my scales always show similar gain after too much alcohol. But it’s gone as soon as it came. It ain’t fat gain 🙂
    And I’m sure you had a great time!
    For me the key to success after having too much alcohol is to stay away from carbs the next day. If I do, the gain doesn’t stick at all.

  • posted by alliecat
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    Testimony to how different we all are, Madmare! I did a strict version of the Fast800 for 10 months to reach my goal, and
    I only indulged in a winefest on 2 holidays. Each time, I picked up 1.5lbs, and it took an entire week to shift
    it! Essentially, I wasted a week in each instance. Although I’ve been in maintenance for over 2 years, I STILL have to be
    vigilant about “wine creep”. I can “get away with it” on the weekend, but if I allow this pleasant habit to follow me into the
    next week, there will be a price to pay for such indulgences…Exactly why I have picked up a few lbs., which I am dedicating
    july to rid myself of. I’m using a recipe of Birdy’s at the moment to reign it in. It is a concoction of grated ginger that has
    been simmered with water, creating a very strong spicy brew. I combine it with sparking water, and it is quite lovely!

  • posted by Madmare
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    Hi Allie
    I have had exactly the same experience as you – if not worse. Of the 5lbs I lost last week I have put back 2.5 back on!
    I had a disaster on my third fast. I was ravenous from the start and it didn’t get any better. By 24 h in I was feeling so dreadful, sick light headed that I had to have something to eat. I was really disappointed. I don’t know if I was trying to do too much going from no fasts to three in a week, I have always been a bit all or nothing. Of course it could be that the alcohol had messed up my fasting.
    I am going to do two this week and then if all goes well three next week and avoid alcohol!!

  • posted by alliecat
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    YES, Madmare! I know EXACTLY what you are talking about! We had the good fortune to live in California wine country
    45 years ago, and the “habit” was born there. Because alcohol is dehydrating, I think our bodies cling on to what fluid we
    have left! Since a lb of fat equals 3500 calories, and I think that amount of alcohol at one sitting would be the equivalent
    of 6 bottles, it definitely defies logic. It just IS what it is! It simply reinforces the concept that all calories are not created
    equal, and it truly saddens me to read here that the white stuff is on the agenda for some that are contemplating maintenance.
    Such ideas fly in the face of all the education we have received here. Denial is a powerful force, however. You have never
    given up, though, and I will be by your side, fighting “wine creep” every week. I have read here that the second glass of wine
    is harder to resist than the first! Isn’t that the truth!?!

  • posted by Madmare
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    So true Allie and no resistance at all to the third glass!! 😀

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Dont feel sadden if white carbs are on the maintenance agenda for some of us, it is not worth it. 😊 Each of us on this forum have their own lives, strategies, bodies and it’s no worth feeling sad about it.
    It would be pretty depressing if everyone shared the same mind and body 😱
    I say – horses for courses! 🐎

  • posted by Verano
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    Louise the ‘white stuff’ is really only an issue for those with T2 or who are insulin resistant as it is so quickly digested into glucose. Of course there are other problems with refined carbs but for those wanting to lose weight by reducing carbs, once the goal had been reached, then they can be reintroduced to the individuals own tolerance/weight gain level. As you say horses for courses.

  • posted by alliecat
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    I have no idea WHAT you are saying, LouiseK. Or why you believe it concerns you. Those of us that have known each other
    for a long time speak freely here, and we look out for each other, share our lives and our experiences, and have seen many
    successes and failures together. We are all here to learn together, and I only focus my attention on those newbies who
    have a dedicated desire to change their lives permanently. Horses for courses is not an expression that I’m familiar with.
    Sorry.

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Of course it concerns me since I just said I wanted to have white carbs once in maintenance 😉
    Horses for courses means different strokes for different people. Probably an Australian idiom. 🐎🐎🐎

  • posted by MerryMelba
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    Louise, I have been doing 800/20 to reduce inflammation in my body due to arthritis and to also lose some weight to take strain off my joints. I have loved the success I have had so far – but the last couple of weeks I have been in a kinda maintaining mode as I battle a bad cold – and yesterday I had 3 Slices of BREAD!! (my 87y.o. Aunt made me sandwiches for lunch and I wasn’t going to not eat them😀). I didn’t get struck by lightning 😂😊😂 but my tummy is a bit bloated this morning. Today I am back on 800/20 and will be for the rest of the week. And in the next week or so I want to try the 24hr fast I postponed due to my cold. We will each find our own way.🌼🌺🌷❤
    Hi Verano – yes we are all different and have many ways of doing this WOE. So each to their own – only we can decide how we each want to travel in maintenance and how our bodies adapt. 😊

  • posted by alliecat
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    Yes, MerryMelba! Maintenance, in my opinion, is the real challenge, and I think there are as many ways to approach it as people
    on the forum. I will always be grateful for the advice of experienced folks who helped me to avoid the obvious pitfalls. Weight
    loss and maintenance are two completely different skill sets…I truly hope that you are uplifted by whatever category applies to
    you. 🙂 It’s all an adventure and a learning curve, and for me it has been life altering! I hope you’ve had the same experience.

    Allie

  • posted by MerryMelba
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    Your wealth of experience and wise words always give us guidance! I agree – maintenance will be the challenge and it may depend on where we have come from (previous health issues, food cravings etc) as to how we each manage to maintain our discards and keep in good health – good gut, good muscles, no aches, happy food 😊😊 The great lessening of inflammation, and hence extra energy, has been life altering – and reminds me of my WHY (thanks JGwen)

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    For sure, maintenance is the true challenge. It’s all too easy to drop weight by changing ones diet. Also all the excitement and uplifting spirit of changing shape.
    Maintenance on the other hand is for life and a little less exciting 😅
    I just read the Obesity Code and Dr Fung explains so well why people put back on all the weight.

  • posted by wendleg
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    Morning everyone..as I read through the posts today my immediate thought is that long term success comes with a radical change of mindset. For me that means not “fearing ” food…and making choices for health ..above all else. Food has no power ….there are so many nutritious choices available which satisfy me and my cravings for carbage have disappeared. Do you know I never once turned to the dessert menu while on holiday ! I honestly was not tempted. The same with bread and the crispy flat cracker things they put on Italian tables….
    I am not at target yet but I can’t imagine anything derailing me now . I am not holding myself up as an example…indeed we are all different but my experience shows that our attitudes towards food can change and I hope that can reassure anyone battling the carb and sugar demons.

  • posted by Violinist
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    Thanks Wendy, great thoughts!

  • posted by Verano
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    Wendy welcome back!
    I agree with you that our relationship with food does change over time and the desire for carb laden foods does diminish. I can’t really say that I ever had real ‘cravings’ and fortunately never had carb flu. I live quite happily without the ‘white stuff’ but do enjoy a very occasional piece of good sourdough dipped in a really good olive oil. That’s a real treat these days.
    I was never a ‘dessert’ person really with only apple tart or pavlova taking my fancy on an odd occasion. My downfall was always cheese, which I still love, but that leads me to crisp breads! I have never been able to conquer my need for ‘crunch’. Ahh I guess we all have our demons!
    Whilst my attitude to food has altered radically I find after three years that I do get bored with my food choices occasionally, but then I suppose most people do no matter which way they eat.

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Anyone keen to do a 36 hours fast with me this week? I am planning on starting Thursday after a dinner at the pub and breaking the fast on saturday morning with a nice bacon and eggs breakie 🙂
    I’ve never done any longer than 24 hours so it should be interesting…

  • posted by Madmare
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    I am up for another fast this week!
    I am going to start around 9 pm Wednesday and finish 9 am on Friday so we can overlap and pass the baton on!
    Allie I have done those calculations too and I am equally flummoxed, the maths doesn’t work but the scales don’t lie!
    Though I would really like to believe it!
    Finished my 36 h fast this morning – this one went well, at work yesterdat, rode my young horse last night- poo picked the field then went home and as it was a lovely night I wandered round watering the garden at 9:30, a cliche of a middle- aged Englishwoman- though middle-aged may be stretching it a bit.
    Cup of herbal tea and bed at 10:30.
    And the best bit 2.5 lbs lost so back to where I was last Thursday. I will be vigilant on what I eat – I expect a small rise once I start eating again but I am not having another big gain!!
    Take care

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Hey fasters, what would you do?
    I was planning to do a 24 hours fast today but broke it after 22hrs as I felt rubbish and was going to a dance class. I had a handful of almonds.
    Now I feel awesome and could go to bed early – it’s 8pm. Would you have dinner or just push through it?
    I’m a little hungry but could do without food 🤨

  • posted by JGwen
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    You may have stopped autophagy, but as I understand it if you didn’t spike insulin enough to bring you out of ketosis then as Dr Bikman refers to it – your body is still in a fasting state and there would still be benefits for continuing if you want to and feel up to it.

  • posted by MerryMelba
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    Hi Louise. How did you get on last night? Did you continue your fast until the morning?
    Merry

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    Hey Merry, thanks for checking in. In the end my husband had prepared a dinner so I ate with him. I am really keen to try a 36-42 hours fast soon but can’t seem to find the right time.
    Either I’m home with the kids and having to cook for them or I’m at work with peers socialisation over lunch and dinner. I’m way too timid to bring the spotlight on me by NOT eating. Anyway, next week the stars might aligned and I should be able to fit one in 🙂

  • posted by MerryMelba
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    Good to hear you are well! It is hard to fit in a fast – I agree! I have been wanting to try a 24hr one but hard to find a whole “free day” Hard when socialising with colleagues it seems sometimes that as long as I keep chatting etc people don’t really pay attention to what goes in my mouth. And I don’t mention this WOE! 😊😊😊
    Lovely day for hanging out the washing – sunny and windy!

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    That’s true, I never mention this WOE either, except to a couple of close friends. I’m 100% sure that my colleagues would notice though as it’s a sit down lunch and dinner, and if my plate came back to the kitchen untouched the waiters would ask about it lol.
    The weather is weird hey! There’s actually been a warning from BOM about the wind.

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