Experimenting with a keto diet?

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  • posted by KazzUK
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    I got 28 thin slices from my loaf last weekend. Should last me a month!

  • posted by KazzUK
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    V, if you want to email me at kazzlchf@yahoo.com I’ll send you a photo of it!

  • posted by Artful Owl
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    ElianaG
    Sorry I’ve only just seen your post. I’m also sorry that I can’t access the link you posted so I can’t comment on the content.
    All I can say is that after years of not sleeping well due to anxiety issues, I am now sleeping through the night and am waking much more refreshed. The problems causing my anxiety are still there so I think that it must be my keto lifestyle that has made the difference.
    Perhaps as a 65 year old whose skin has seen better days I’m not the right person to comment as to whether a keto diet has helped it! I do think though that autophagy from IF has helped my many wrinkles that have developed from losing a lot of fat. But I can’t say that keto has noticably improved it.
    Hope that helps you 😊

  • posted by JGwen
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    Hi Artful Owl.
    I have reported the post from ElianaG to the moderators and asked them to remove. She(?) is a spammer using the forum to increase the number of locations where a specific website appears to improve its ranking with search engines.

    Its always worth being careful on what links you click on when on a public forum like this. There isn’t a moderator checking on the links, so someone could join the forum to spread computer viruses by posting links to websites with an enbedded virus.

  • posted by Artful Owl
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    Hi JGwen, thanks for letting me know, I’m very naive in these things! I’ll certainly be more careful in future.

  • posted by JGwen
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    No problem, The spam attempt stood out because I read the latest posts option on the forum rather than just reading one thread at a time and she(?) had posted very similar messages with a link to the same website on two threads one after the other.

  • posted by Verano
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    Hello.
    Well today I made the keto bread using the same recipe as Kazz. It wasn’t too difficult to make and looked much as it should. I sliced it into 15 slices which work out at 0.66g net carbs but a whopping 149 calories a piece.
    So, I duly toasted a slice really looking forward to tasting it with some butter and a slice of cheese. Can’t get much cheese on such a small slice, but I tried!
    What can I say!
    I was never a great bread eater, but, for me the bread, tiny slice that it was, was rather tasteless!
    So, my conclusion is that if you are desperate for ‘bread’ and you have to keep your carbs really low then go for linseed bread. BUT, if like me you just get the urge for a slice of toasted bread very rarely, then I prefer just one slice of Vogel seeded bread at around 12g carbs a slice.
    A wonderful experiment but one I might not repeat. I had hoped I could substitute the bread for Ryvita but maybe I need to try low carb crackers instead!
    As we are getting towards the end of September I hope everyone has learned lots about keto eating and how it fits into our individual lives. I think I have a way to go yet on my journey. I doubt I’ll ever settle on just ‘one way’ but am more likely to end up with my own version of keto/BSD/low carb eating.

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Hi guys!

    I had posted in another thread that after losing 31 lbs on 800 BSD ( which morphed into 800 keto over the weeks), I was stuck for over a month of not losing or gaining any weight.

    So I incorporated MCT oil and bone broth into my daily diet. I make the bone broth, skim off half the fat, then make it into a chicken veg soup. I also started taking digestive enzymes which break down fats, proteins, and carbs.

    I lost 5 lbs in a week (I was in week 15 of BSD).

    Also I had always been in “light” ketosis but now my keto sticks were coming up deep deep purple. I can tell I’m in deep ketosis cuz my mouth is always dry no matter how much water I drink, and feel slightly nauseated. Food doesn’t taste very good. I’m not sure this is a bad or good thing but think I will up my carbs a little.

    I still count calories and try to stay in the 800-1000 range daily.

    Another weird thing is my clothes never felt looser until I added the bone broth and MCT oil. Now I have definitely shrunk and some of my skin has gotten a bit saggy ( I’m 60).

    I read an article which said that on keto you’ll lose a bunch of weight, then hit a “weight stability point” which can last quite a while with no weight gain or loss. It’s your body trying hard to remain balanced and holding onto weight for dear life. But eventually you’ll start losing weight again, then your body with set a new weight stability point, wait it out, and the cycle will repeat again and again.

    For me, the egg fast for 3 days at 800 calories per day seems to get things going again, along with the MCT oil and bone broth soup. I make the soup high in fat for keto.

    I have a bulletproof coffee or two, then eat 1 meal at night, which I cut in half. I wait about an hour and if I’m still hungry I finish the 2nd half.

    When I get sick of the bone broth soup and want to eat other things, I plan to make plain bone broth to sip on without the chicken or veggies and eat other things too.

    I still have to count my calories cuz I need the structure.

  • posted by Busybee
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    I’m still doing a combination of BSD and Keto and even on holiday managed this with very low carbs and small portions.
    I am much more aware of the amount of protein I now eat and also intend to try veggie meals a couple of times a day.
    Also, I am experimenting with MCT Oil Powder and have noticed my body shape changing and I am losing about half a pound a day – no doubt this will stop as some stage but!
    Lots going on here so I I haven’t been able to fit an egg fast in since I returned from holiday but will do so at some stage.
    Sorry if this sounds me, me, me, but writing it down and the change in diet has renewed my enthusiasm.
    Best wishes to you all.
    B.X

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Good on you busy bee!

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Week 20 and weight is at another stand still after losing 35 lbs. but it’s cuz I am eating way over 800 calories now. It’s pretty hard for 800 calories to be sustainable for many months past the initial 8 weeks, even tho it was quite easy for many many weeks.

    I used to input my calories in an ap daily and this is what I’ll go back to doing, because I still have 30 lbs. I want to lose. Being stuck is starting to wear on me but it’s only because I have set a goal date to lose the last 30 lbs.

    Maybe it’s better to just have my goal date be “whenever” and I’ll stop being frustrated. And raise my calories to 1000 to 1200 at this point.

  • posted by JGwen
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    Hi, Iloveatsanddogs.
    The scales are not a reliable way to measure progress. They do not tell us anything about body composition, which could be improving even when the scales do not show any changes.
    Insulin controls not just our bodies fat storage, but also is an input into the way other hormone controlled systems work. For example, raised insulin levels block the growth hormone which controls body repair. As you heal your insulin response, other parts of your body can heal, which means bones become stronger and muscles can be built in response to exercise. Both of which are positive changes but will increase your weight.

    The best way to monitor progress is using a tape measure, don’t just focus on waist, hip, chest measurements. Use mirror or photographs to monitor changes to the whole body.

  • posted by MelBelle
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    I started eating LCHF/keto about two weeks ago, and also having two meals a day with one or two small snacks (slice of cheese or handful of nuts), within a 6-7 hour eating window. I’m seeing great results now. I think as a small framed person with not many more pounds to goal, I needed to do this.

    @ilovecatsndogs – you mentioned dizziness or nausea – I’ve been reading The Obesity Code by Dr Jason Fung, and he specifically mentions this symptom, which I have had too, so bad I thought I would faint several times one particular day early on in starting TMAD. Salt is the answer (assuming you’re getting plenty of fluids). Your body doesn’t store salt so you need it in your diet. I started grinding a little pink rock salt into my water during my fasting window and my dizziness is gone.

  • posted by MelBelle
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    @ilovecatsndogs – thanks for sharing about your plateau. I’ve been thinking about that too. If I hit another plateau between now and goal, I’m going to try alternate daily fasting. This is another thing mentioned in The Obesity Code book. Alternate daily fasting is three (healthy, normal portion) meals on day 1, then fast until dinner the next day. Repeat. Dr Fung specifically mentions what you’re describing, with your body adapting too well to what you’re doing and conserving energy.

  • posted by Busybee
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    It’s really interesting to read about the different ways other people tackle the Keto diet. I read The Obesity Code some time ago and perhaps I should read it again?
    I have lost a couple of pounds since our holiday but have been eating bigger portions – don’t know why. Note to self ‘I must stop that!’
    We are off down south to visit our daughter and also my 97 year old Aunty, so just under a week of not being in control of the kitchen!
    Keep on Keto-ing on.
    B X

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Thanks jgwen!
    I’ve been taking pix plus measuring. It’s odd but I really didn’t lose any size tho I had lost 31 lbs., until I started adding MCT oil in week 15 or so. Since then my clothes feel looser and I’ve lost an inch or two. My face, neck and legs are a lot skinnier but my waist remained the same. Now finally I have lost an inch or two but not enough to be considered healthy and rid of belly fat.

    I’m hoping the next punch of weight loss will finally be abdominal.

    What I’ve learned from eating very little calories on a keto diet is:

    (1) My body shape has changed over the years and even if I hit my goal, I’m probably going to still have abdominal fat. It’s also harder cuz that is where I had major surgery with my pancreas and my very long horizontal scar.

    (2) 800 calories is not sustainable beyond 16 weeks for me, while trying to lose weight, so I’m upping my calories and have accepted it’ll take longer to reach my goal and be okay with that

    (3) the stalls will eventually stop if I am patient and wait them out, my “weight stability points” finally budging.

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Thanks melbelle!

    Will order the book from amazon

  • posted by MelBelle
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    Hooray for the ketogenic diet, 16:8 intermittent fasting, recipes on Diet Doctor, and last but not least encouragement from everyone here. Thank you thank you thank you. I wish I could make those letters flash in rainbow colours. I have *just today* reached my goal weight. This is the weight that I was at when I started uni, over 20 years ago.

    @ilovecatsndogs – I know exactly that feeling about the tummy.

    I was sure when I got to my goal, my tummy would be much closer to before having four children. I didn’t expect it to be exactly the same, but I gradually realised there was more to it than just the fat.

    This week I started doing the exercise I found on this page about post pregnancy tummy, and I have already seen an improvement, even though my youngest is 9. Maybe you’d like to try it with me?

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/07/541204499/flattening-the-mummy-tummy-with-1-exercise-10-minutes-a-day

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    Well done MelBelle!
    You must be very proud and happy to have realised your goal.
    I’m following the same regime as you but my loss is not consistent – however I am nearly 73 and have dieted on and off since I was sixteen so my metabolism is well and truly knackered!
    Keep Keto-ing on
    X B

  • posted by LouiseKangooroo
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    @melbelle that’s a very popular exercise in France for pelvic floor post pregnancy/birth. I love it and do it regularly but I can’t do it for 10 min straight. I’ll try and increase my times
    Thanks for the inspo!

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Yippeeeee melbelle! Great job ❤️

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Melbelle,

    I wish I could do stomach exercises but after having a huge operation, the surgeon had to cut thru my abdominal muscles so when I try any stomach exercises I end up with painful “Charlie horses”. But thanks for the offer.

  • posted by Busybee
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    I can’t imagine what “Charlie Horses” are though will have a try at the exercises!!
    Have a good weekend Keto ladies.
    X B

  • posted by JGwen
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    A charley horse is a muscle cramp.

  • posted by Pancita
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    And also the hardest thing to remove in Operation… !

  • posted by Ilovecatsndogs
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    Haha busy bee,

    An American vernacular! I am in California.

    Usually you get a “Charlie horse” in your legs!❤️
    What are they called overseas? They are very intense muscle cramps which seize up for 10 to 15 mins. and are very painful.

  • posted by Busybee
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    Thank you for enlightening me although I doubt the amount of excise I do would result in ‘Charlie’s Horse’!
    X B

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